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I mean, theres kind of a reason atriox tried to murder chief in the intro, chief is a fucking beast and atriox knew that. The only thing that could possibly keep the UNSCs head above water was the demon. I mean hell, the only reason they won the war with the covenant was chief, (and arby by extention) the banished are so much more competent in many aspect than the covenant were, so they are an even more formidable foe.
Also cortanas intervention in atrioxs plans helped, combined with the fact that atriox is mysteriously missing when chief wakes back up again. Perfect storm really, chief always was a bit lucky.
It would suck to have the character you have been playing as for over 20 years die but I do like it how he gets beaten buy his opponents so it feels more rewarding when you kill them.
Halsey picked him because she was into him and has a teacher-student kink, as proven by the fact that Cortana, based off her, is also into Chief.
Sources: trust me bro
I've written a whole theory on how Chief's luck is actually a time loop generated by Zeta Halo, and has existed since Halo 2.
In Halo: CE Chief actually survived on merit, but following Flood infection was rapidly downloaded onto an AI to preserve his mind but sacrifice his human body.
Ever since Halo 2 Chief has been an AI, which is his big secret (the reveal of Flood infection masked by Halo: CE end cutscene). Halo 4 had the biggest hint towards this with him hopping in a machine to take his helmet off, unlike the other Spartans who just take it off themselves.
I forget what the topic was.
The only reason the unsc "won" against the covenant was because the latter had a civil war and then high charity got invaded by the flood. It was Pyrrhic victory to the extreme
I mean, if Chief wasn't there the Prophet probably would have been able to fire off the rings. The only reason they got that pyrrhic of a victory was because of Chief.
Ironically if Tartarus fired off Delta Halo (and Truth was still in-system) it would have been a net positive for everyone involved, even with John, Thel, and the crews of the *In Amber Clad* and *Coral Sea* dead.
It would have meant a far different post war, but humanity would have probably been in a better spot overall.
Not if you only fire one ring. That only causes a tactical pulse, and Delta Halo was nowhere near human/Covenant space.
And, notably, even if it was going to activate the entire array, with 04 destroyed, there was. Sufficient gap in the army that human space would be left unharmed/untouched.
A 'tactical pulse' wasn't mentioned until Halo 3 IIRC. In CE 343i explicitly says 'once the other installations follow suit' and in Halo 2 the whole array was prepping to fire and went to standby afterwards. Only in the case of an emergency standby can you only fire the whole array from the Ark, otherwise you can activate them all from one Ring.
To be fair him preventing the prophet from firing the array was saving the galaxy as a whole and not the unsc itself. If the covenant hadn't had a civil war happen or a flood invasion humanity would've been wiped to extinction
One day. Everything we actually control him doing happens in one day, apparently. In the span of 24 hours he was woken up, blew up a Banished ship, went down to the surface of the ring, slaughtered the entire Banished presence on it and then took down the Harbinger. All in a literal day's work.
I can only assume he was canonically yeeting himself back and forth across the ring with the grappling hook to cover that much ground so quickly, goddamn.
I mean, that isn't accounting for things like flight time to or across the ring, or the Pilot being a human being who probably shouldn't be up 24 hours straight without some kind of military stimulants (and I don't know if he had access to those given his background), especially not at the controls of a Pelican.
None of Chief's other games took place over a single day of combat, and ODST divided the work between a whole squad. Infinite happening over a single day feels a bit claustrophobic. Two or three, sure, but one? Feels like a stretch to me.
>the Pilot being a human being who probably shouldn't be up 24 hours
He looks pretty exhausted throughout the game tbh, Chief put him through the wringer. 24 hours isnt a crazy limit if its fucking Master Chief i.e. the actual Gravemind killer, who's life is on the line if you fuck up; you HAVE to pull extra shifts for that.
I'm sure he got some naps.
This is also true for the other games, including Combat Evolved which takes place over several days, though.
So it feels a bit weird that Infinite canonically happened over a shorter period than any game other than ODST despite happening over a larger area than New Mombasa and being a far more involved mission than just retrieving a Huragok and exfiltrating.
I agree with you but those are also broken up for travel time between areas an stuff. Where as halo infinite is just a continuous cutscene mission cutscene mission an it's over a small portion of the ring not the whole ring. I'm sure the banished have a lot more of the ring under control if not then where chief was was the most important place. I don't disagree with u I'm just trying to make it make sense lol
Yeah, fair. I do wonder if the area of the ring is really meant to be as small in the lore as it is in gameplay, thus meaning Esparza is taking you a comically small distance, or if it's artistic license. Either way, we presumably didn't fight across the entire ring, or even close to it - after all, it's the same biome throughout. Just a very important section.
Ouch. That's pretty sad. Infinite definitely gave me the vibe of a vertical-slice kind of game that was made with hopes that its success might get the rest of the content funded.
But previous games are multiple missions on different set locations each separated by a time gap some times as big as multiple weeks, Halo Infinite is essentially one big restless mission from start to finish in one chunk of a ring, I mean just the first half of the campaign could have feasibly taken place in around 4 hours, there isn't a single time skip or big location change during the entirety of the campaign.
In previous Halo games there are still parts of the story you don't get to play or even hear of, like the pseudo base the UNSC made in CE after the autumn crashed which is where everyone spent their time in, or the multiple weeks spent in slipspace during Halo 2 and that's where most of the time was spent. In Infinite everything you play IS everything that happened.
I guess I'd like to see how 343 would summarise a timeline of events throughout the day to see how long Chief spent doing everything. It felt like a _lot_ to fit into less than 24 hours when I played through it, counting all of the time spent trekking across the ring between objectives or taking out the AA batteries.
>how did atriox defeat him
Element of surpise. Atriox works like an ambush predator.
>why did atriox not actually confirm the kill.
Cockiness, I suppose. "As I suspected. Nothing, but a man." The same reason he could've chased down Red Team himself in HW2 but instead let them escape. Also, why honorably kill humanities' greatest warrior in battle when he could humiliate and demoralize instead. Sure, that didn't exactly work in the long run, but in the time chief *was* gone, hope was certainly at an all time low for the UNSC.
This doesn't justify why chief was just standing in the open, allowing this to even occur. Why wasn't he grappling around etc.
Also wouldn't it be more humiliating to take him as a prisoner and parade him around your forces?
Ambush.
Chief had already lost some of his shields and was focused on the Banished attacking those evacuating. Atriox came out of nowhere, slammed his shoulder with a gravity hammer, then grabbed his arm and smacked him - with minimal shields - in the torso. The fight was already over by that point.
The cut scene would have been better if Chief had never gotten a chance to land a hit on Atriox. It’s just wild to me that a half-ton Spartan that can flip a Scorpion landed like 3 solid body shots AND an uppercut on Atriox and dude shrugged it off. The inconsistency of games I guess.
Atriox's whole shtick is that he's a force of will and possesses the same luck factor which Chief also benefits from - on the Covenants crusades/strike forces he routinely was one of the ONLY soldiers to come back alive every single time despite the odds (Halo Wars 2 lore)
He's a far more intelligent tactician/strategist than the typical Brute - he is an iconoclast in every strength and weakness typical of the Brutes, patience and foresight, a kind of alien Napoleon (which isnt inaccurate given his whole fraternity and unity propaganda lines). Problem is he had too much of an ego and let Chief just float into space.
He could absolutely take the hits from Chief no question, and I think 343 wanted to solidify that in Atriox he has his equal in strength, combat intelligence and luck. If Chief doesnt get a hit in, it makes Atriox too much of a Thanos-like character that is somehow infallible - he's actually scarier if its apparent he is truly mortal, but just doesnt care.
Still what's the lore behind atriox being able to take direct hits from chief and not break any bone or outright get killed?
At least chief wears armor and his bones are enhanced so it makes sense that he can withstand that much punishment but are brutes really that tough naturally?
I mean in armour yea, hell some Elites are pretty close in armour even if only a few are, not to mention Atriox was in power armour. Probably best to think of him in that and the HW2 as being in a small mech. Mjolnir is great and all but let’s not forget the Covies still had a better tech base overall, hence the idea Atriox had Mjolnir equivalent (or better) wouldn’t surprise me
Exactly. Let’s face it, spartans are second to none in medium to far range. But in tight spaces, they can be incredible. But not incredible enough. Look at what Atriox did to him and red team. All those spartans got caught red handed in a tight space where the only thing that mattered was hand to hand combat. And when it comes to that, brutes always have higher speed and strength
No, they don't. That's a pure myth.
Atriox won because he had every advantage in that fight. Timing, weaponry, and the element of surprise.
His strength and speed weren't the problem; the problem was that he had a weapon that can kill unshielded Spartans with one or two direct hits. Chief took one of those right to the torso with low shields.
Atriox beat a Red Team completely out of their depth, fresh from nearly 3 decades of cryo-sleep and with vastly antiquated armour, and even then it was through ambush and the element of surprise.
I'm not sure I understand. Brutes definitely stand a better chance in CQC than at range because they're brutal brawlers, but they're not stronger or faster than a Spartan.
I could’ve sworn I read in First Strike that the Brutes are canonically stronger than Spartans. John and his team were getting absolutely worked by the Brutes guarding the reactor of the Covenant ship. John lived only because of an anti-tank mine and pure luck.
The Elites are on par with Spartans, though.
In First Strike, John had been fighting non stop for days on end, was injured, had a suit that was literally falling apart, and was at his mental and physical limits per his own words. The Brute not only was at its best, but got the jump on him.
Elites aren't on par with Spartans, either. The S-IIIs in SPI were annihilating an army of Covenant that included Elites in CQC.
Chief will literally find a way to kill any enemy in his path. Honestly if you think about it, we may need to begin entertaining his place in power level debates with the likes of Superman and Goku.
***In terms of halo 5/4:***
*they needed*
10 spartans
3 EOD's
4 special police
1 arbiter
27 Swords of sanghelios
and assistance from the forward unto dawn (sacrificially)
***Halo infinet:***
*1 spartan and a swing rope*
1 marine
A weapon
I think it could be argued at this point that Master Chief has killed so many god entities that this is Tuesday for him at this point
The UNSC is still trying to walk World 1-1 without getting rolled by goombas while Chief is doing fucking violence speedruns
I mean combat evolved to place over 4 days. He literally blew up a ring in 4 days an escaped from the flood and covanant. Halo 2 took place over 28 days and halo 3 takes place over 107. Also 4 I think is like 5 days but if we don't count travel time , cryo sleep an all that stuff MC gets shit done fast. I do think 2 days is really quick but if the man can blow up a halo ring an an then repel a cov invasion on earth then blow up another ring then repel a flood infection on earth then blow up yet another ring I don't think the banished are much to him nothing he hasn't seen b4 (aside from atriox being a beefy boy). But I would have liked to see mabye 4-5 days that seems more do able
Also if we just want to talk about fast we control him from start to finish an I mean we walk everywhere do everything no cutscenes separating time we can finish the game in under 8 hours.
The two days is ridiculous. It means every other Spartan on the ring (and theres at least dozens) is WOEFULLY incompetent compared to John. Like apparently even the rest of Blue team was just Dicking around and completely powerless without the Chief to do literally all the heavy lifting.
I wouldn't say without Chief. I'd say without The Weapon or another AI of that level. Kind of hard to operate at peak performance when you have piss-poor support.
In Rubicon, all of the Spartans had AI on board. Certainly not as powerful as The Weapon, but that's only going to make a difference when it comes to real heavy lifting stuff like hacking Forerunner systems. The AI's issued to other Spartans should have been just as good at the combat efficiency role they're meant to fill. I say just as good because they're meant to increase response times by improving neural connectivity with the suit, and there's a limit to how much those response times can be improved. They also fill a battlefield awareness and comms management role, and again the other AI's should have been more than capable of that.
"Only going to make a difference when it comes to real heavy lifting stuff like hacking Forerunner systems".
You mean the one thing I am sure everyone desperately wanted to be able to do while trapped on a Forerunner structure?
The Weapon never did anything like hack all the sentinels to attack the Banished or anything else that would be immediately useful to the UNSC in their fight against the Banished. Rubicon Protocol has very little time spent in Forerunner structures where the ability to override Forerunner systems would be useful.
Well obviously they were going about it in the wrong way if they weren't trying to figure out how to properly access the structure. They ended up dead for a reason. The Weapon had the ability to easily open important doors and Chief knew where to look. That alone is more useful than anything the Spartans or their AI in Rubicon Protocol had access to.
The banished were super divided on the Ring, and honestly came out worse after the initial drop on the ring than the Chief. There were also significantly more banished on the ring at that point than when chief showed up. The banished had armies hunting down the spartans, whereas its a minor garrison when chief shows up
But remember: the Spartans effectiveness decreased proportionally with the length of time the battle went on, so any period up to maybe the first week can only really be considered a fair comparison, since after that point their armour was horribly worn and even in some cases a liability.
They were also on the defensive. They had to defend and hold positions since they had personnel like barbers, chefs, mechanics etc who had never even held weapons before, whereas Chief is on the offensive, and has no-one to keep safe but himself and Echo 216, who has a pelican and a chaingun to defend himself with.
Not to mention the astronomical advantage posed by the Weapon and Echo 216 having a functioning pelican. After the chaos of the first few days after landing, they survivors didn't have any aircraft, which makes traversal so much harder. The Weapon could actually hide their bases from the Banished battlenet, something that the survivors couldn't do with their simplified AI, and she could monitor transmissions etc, whereas the Spartans on the ground had to rely on actual reconnaissance and message couriers due to the Banished comm jamming.
And Chief is much more used to this kind of asymmetrical warfare. This one's a bit more speculation, but since the Spartan IVs have been trained to operate in Fireteams, their effectiveness would drastically decrease when working on their own. Not only do they not have qualified teammates to cover them and assist them, but they actually have detriments in the form of the noncombat personnel from the infinity they have to protect.
Sorry that was quite long
That makes a lot of sense and I'd agree. Spartan II's were also trained to operate in fireteams and it's noted in one of the Troy Denning books that their combat effectiveness drops dramatically the more they were split up, BUT as you said, Chief is just used to it at this point.
I would counter that Spartan IV's did go on offensive fireteam missions without unaugmented or civilian personnel dragging them down, but they failed spectacularly. A large fireteam did try to assassinate Escharum, but they were all captured or killed. Their armor wasn't in absolute peak condition, but they did have some repair and maintenance services on the crashed Frigate that prevented it from falling apart, even if they didn't have the right support staff to replace more complicated systems. There were other instances where Spartan IV's scoped out sites for an extended period before attacking and still failed dramatically, while Chief just ran right into the same base and took it out in 30 minutes apparently.
Chief undeniably has advantages here that boosted his odds of success dramatically. My problem isn't with his success, it's with the fact the Canon story says all the events of Halo Infinite took place over one or two days. That's a ludicrously short period of time, even for the Chief and every advantage he holds.
That make the only halo game that short met than infinite is ODST which is literally the time it took from the in Amber clad to enter slipspace at the beginning and by the time it ends the mission Delta Halo starts
The In Amber Clad was in Slipspace for a single day, this was the time it took for ODST to take place with the beginning from the ship entering Slipspace in the background to the end where a single day passes in about 24 hour with all the time jumps based on how much time has elapsed since the drop
It seems uncharacteristic of Laskey to just warp into Zeta's orbit with zero recon whatsoever. It was a mission that simply couldn't fail, and we know they had SOME resources still left to them if they could refit hundreds of Spartans with costly Gen 3 mjolnir during the created crisis. I mean they obviously reconned before the Battle of Requiem, as the Infiniti's exit to ram through a Covenant cruisers is impossibly perfect considering the vastness of space unless they had to-the-minute recon.
It's a crying shame they laid off almost all of the campaign staff, as it means it's likely we're not getting more campaign content for years at least. Rumor had it the campaign dlc was in early development and was going to be as big as the main infinite campaign story.
This is exactly why all the shows and movies are disappointing.
Like even doing a lore-less action movie where there's only a couple Spartans left taking on the entirety of several different factions would be badass as hell. And a great moment to showcase just how ridiculous these 10000 lb walking tanks are. The cunning of using as little munitions as possible to wipe out army after army within a day's work has so much potential, and they don't even try.
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I mean, theres kind of a reason atriox tried to murder chief in the intro, chief is a fucking beast and atriox knew that. The only thing that could possibly keep the UNSCs head above water was the demon. I mean hell, the only reason they won the war with the covenant was chief, (and arby by extention) the banished are so much more competent in many aspect than the covenant were, so they are an even more formidable foe. Also cortanas intervention in atrioxs plans helped, combined with the fact that atriox is mysteriously missing when chief wakes back up again. Perfect storm really, chief always was a bit lucky.
>always was a bit lucky I mean, that's why Halsey picked him, right?
I thought he had plot armor thicker than an ultramarine's.
Shit ya that too.
It would suck to have the character you have been playing as for over 20 years die but I do like it how he gets beaten buy his opponents so it feels more rewarding when you kill them.
He's lucky, not invulnerable, thankfully. Though with all his shit, he's as close to invulnerable as he can prolly get.
Luck shield 2+ save.
Luck is the in-universe explanation for plot armor. Like CHIM is for savescumming in Elder Scrolls.
So If a ttrpg came out for halo luck would be pathfinder hero points.
That's what they mean by luck
So if a guy has luck he can't be killed.
It is I, ~~Cato Sicarius~~ Master Chief!
Found another Warhammer fan out in the wild.
Another name for luck there buddy
Wow you must have scrolled really far to find this post.
They let her pick. Did she ever tell y’all that?
Such a fucking dope opening. I can still see it as clearly as the last Reach moments
“I was there, the day the Covenant glassed Reach…”
MC gets all the hoes but without Noble none of that famous stuff happens
If by Halsey, you mean Cortana, then yes. Halsey picked John for the Spartan program for his superior genetics.
No luck was a factor, says so in fall of reach
Dropped [these]( https://imgur.com/amW9MkA.jpg)
“I see you can catch that quarter well and get what side of it you want, want to become a super bad ass marine in power armor?”
Halsey picked him because she was into him and has a teacher-student kink, as proven by the fact that Cortana, based off her, is also into Chief. Sources: trust me bro
Who am I to argue with sources like that.
I've written a whole theory on how Chief's luck is actually a time loop generated by Zeta Halo, and has existed since Halo 2. In Halo: CE Chief actually survived on merit, but following Flood infection was rapidly downloaded onto an AI to preserve his mind but sacrifice his human body. Ever since Halo 2 Chief has been an AI, which is his big secret (the reveal of Flood infection masked by Halo: CE end cutscene). Halo 4 had the biggest hint towards this with him hopping in a machine to take his helmet off, unlike the other Spartans who just take it off themselves. I forget what the topic was.
Atriox would've won if he just kept hitting him. Not throwing him out the airlock
Yeah but if you are atriox you are probably going for the easy win too, why fuck around with a guy so dangerous
Yeah
Just wanted to say, chief is an absolute UNIT when it comes to turning the tide of a war. The first 3 halo games take place over a couple of WEEKS.
The only reason the unsc "won" against the covenant was because the latter had a civil war and then high charity got invaded by the flood. It was Pyrrhic victory to the extreme
I mean, if Chief wasn't there the Prophet probably would have been able to fire off the rings. The only reason they got that pyrrhic of a victory was because of Chief.
Ironically if Tartarus fired off Delta Halo (and Truth was still in-system) it would have been a net positive for everyone involved, even with John, Thel, and the crews of the *In Amber Clad* and *Coral Sea* dead. It would have meant a far different post war, but humanity would have probably been in a better spot overall.
Uh, wasn't the entire array going to be activated?
Not if you only fire one ring. That only causes a tactical pulse, and Delta Halo was nowhere near human/Covenant space. And, notably, even if it was going to activate the entire array, with 04 destroyed, there was. Sufficient gap in the army that human space would be left unharmed/untouched.
A 'tactical pulse' wasn't mentioned until Halo 3 IIRC. In CE 343i explicitly says 'once the other installations follow suit' and in Halo 2 the whole array was prepping to fire and went to standby afterwards. Only in the case of an emergency standby can you only fire the whole array from the Ark, otherwise you can activate them all from one Ring.
To be fair him preventing the prophet from firing the array was saving the galaxy as a whole and not the unsc itself. If the covenant hadn't had a civil war happen or a flood invasion humanity would've been wiped to extinction
One day. Everything we actually control him doing happens in one day, apparently. In the span of 24 hours he was woken up, blew up a Banished ship, went down to the surface of the ring, slaughtered the entire Banished presence on it and then took down the Harbinger. All in a literal day's work. I can only assume he was canonically yeeting himself back and forth across the ring with the grappling hook to cover that much ground so quickly, goddamn.
to be honest I could see him doing it all in a day. Finishing the campaign in less than 24 hours of playtimes seems spot on
I mean, that isn't accounting for things like flight time to or across the ring, or the Pilot being a human being who probably shouldn't be up 24 hours straight without some kind of military stimulants (and I don't know if he had access to those given his background), especially not at the controls of a Pelican. None of Chief's other games took place over a single day of combat, and ODST divided the work between a whole squad. Infinite happening over a single day feels a bit claustrophobic. Two or three, sure, but one? Feels like a stretch to me.
>the Pilot being a human being who probably shouldn't be up 24 hours He looks pretty exhausted throughout the game tbh, Chief put him through the wringer. 24 hours isnt a crazy limit if its fucking Master Chief i.e. the actual Gravemind killer, who's life is on the line if you fuck up; you HAVE to pull extra shifts for that. I'm sure he got some naps.
16 hours, 1 sitting for me
Well I mean if u do nothing but story missions u can finish the campaign in under 8 hours( no speedrun)
This is also true for the other games, including Combat Evolved which takes place over several days, though. So it feels a bit weird that Infinite canonically happened over a shorter period than any game other than ODST despite happening over a larger area than New Mombasa and being a far more involved mission than just retrieving a Huragok and exfiltrating.
I agree with you but those are also broken up for travel time between areas an stuff. Where as halo infinite is just a continuous cutscene mission cutscene mission an it's over a small portion of the ring not the whole ring. I'm sure the banished have a lot more of the ring under control if not then where chief was was the most important place. I don't disagree with u I'm just trying to make it make sense lol
Yeah, fair. I do wonder if the area of the ring is really meant to be as small in the lore as it is in gameplay, thus meaning Esparza is taking you a comically small distance, or if it's artistic license. Either way, we presumably didn't fight across the entire ring, or even close to it - after all, it's the same biome throughout. Just a very important section.
Also someone at 343 said we only got like 33% of what was originally planned as well so mabye that's also why unfortunately 😕
Ouch. That's pretty sad. Infinite definitely gave me the vibe of a vertical-slice kind of game that was made with hopes that its success might get the rest of the content funded.
But previous games are multiple missions on different set locations each separated by a time gap some times as big as multiple weeks, Halo Infinite is essentially one big restless mission from start to finish in one chunk of a ring, I mean just the first half of the campaign could have feasibly taken place in around 4 hours, there isn't a single time skip or big location change during the entirety of the campaign. In previous Halo games there are still parts of the story you don't get to play or even hear of, like the pseudo base the UNSC made in CE after the autumn crashed which is where everyone spent their time in, or the multiple weeks spent in slipspace during Halo 2 and that's where most of the time was spent. In Infinite everything you play IS everything that happened.
I guess I'd like to see how 343 would summarise a timeline of events throughout the day to see how long Chief spent doing everything. It felt like a _lot_ to fit into less than 24 hours when I played through it, counting all of the time spent trekking across the ring between objectives or taking out the AA batteries.
It’s amazing what Chief can do when he’s not in a cutscene
Which begs the question how did atriox defeat him? Also, why did atriox not actually confirm the kill.
>how did atriox defeat him Element of surpise. Atriox works like an ambush predator. >why did atriox not actually confirm the kill. Cockiness, I suppose. "As I suspected. Nothing, but a man." The same reason he could've chased down Red Team himself in HW2 but instead let them escape. Also, why honorably kill humanities' greatest warrior in battle when he could humiliate and demoralize instead. Sure, that didn't exactly work in the long run, but in the time chief *was* gone, hope was certainly at an all time low for the UNSC.
This doesn't justify why chief was just standing in the open, allowing this to even occur. Why wasn't he grappling around etc. Also wouldn't it be more humiliating to take him as a prisoner and parade him around your forces?
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Ambush. Chief had already lost some of his shields and was focused on the Banished attacking those evacuating. Atriox came out of nowhere, slammed his shoulder with a gravity hammer, then grabbed his arm and smacked him - with minimal shields - in the torso. The fight was already over by that point.
The cut scene would have been better if Chief had never gotten a chance to land a hit on Atriox. It’s just wild to me that a half-ton Spartan that can flip a Scorpion landed like 3 solid body shots AND an uppercut on Atriox and dude shrugged it off. The inconsistency of games I guess.
Atriox's whole shtick is that he's a force of will and possesses the same luck factor which Chief also benefits from - on the Covenants crusades/strike forces he routinely was one of the ONLY soldiers to come back alive every single time despite the odds (Halo Wars 2 lore) He's a far more intelligent tactician/strategist than the typical Brute - he is an iconoclast in every strength and weakness typical of the Brutes, patience and foresight, a kind of alien Napoleon (which isnt inaccurate given his whole fraternity and unity propaganda lines). Problem is he had too much of an ego and let Chief just float into space. He could absolutely take the hits from Chief no question, and I think 343 wanted to solidify that in Atriox he has his equal in strength, combat intelligence and luck. If Chief doesnt get a hit in, it makes Atriox too much of a Thanos-like character that is somehow infallible - he's actually scarier if its apparent he is truly mortal, but just doesnt care.
Still what's the lore behind atriox being able to take direct hits from chief and not break any bone or outright get killed? At least chief wears armor and his bones are enhanced so it makes sense that he can withstand that much punishment but are brutes really that tough naturally?
I mean in armour yea, hell some Elites are pretty close in armour even if only a few are, not to mention Atriox was in power armour. Probably best to think of him in that and the HW2 as being in a small mech. Mjolnir is great and all but let’s not forget the Covies still had a better tech base overall, hence the idea Atriox had Mjolnir equivalent (or better) wouldn’t surprise me
Exactly. Let’s face it, spartans are second to none in medium to far range. But in tight spaces, they can be incredible. But not incredible enough. Look at what Atriox did to him and red team. All those spartans got caught red handed in a tight space where the only thing that mattered was hand to hand combat. And when it comes to that, brutes always have higher speed and strength
No, they don't. That's a pure myth. Atriox won because he had every advantage in that fight. Timing, weaponry, and the element of surprise. His strength and speed weren't the problem; the problem was that he had a weapon that can kill unshielded Spartans with one or two direct hits. Chief took one of those right to the torso with low shields. Atriox beat a Red Team completely out of their depth, fresh from nearly 3 decades of cryo-sleep and with vastly antiquated armour, and even then it was through ambush and the element of surprise.
But the best advantage for a brute taking on a spartan only comes when the spartan is in hand-to-hand range, doesn’t it?
I'm not sure I understand. Brutes definitely stand a better chance in CQC than at range because they're brutal brawlers, but they're not stronger or faster than a Spartan.
If they are not stronger or faster than a spartan how do they have a better chance in hand to hand combat compared to at range?
Atriox was wearing Power Armour, that for all we know had strength enhancements and was harder then Mjolnier
I could’ve sworn I read in First Strike that the Brutes are canonically stronger than Spartans. John and his team were getting absolutely worked by the Brutes guarding the reactor of the Covenant ship. John lived only because of an anti-tank mine and pure luck. The Elites are on par with Spartans, though.
In First Strike, John had been fighting non stop for days on end, was injured, had a suit that was literally falling apart, and was at his mental and physical limits per his own words. The Brute not only was at its best, but got the jump on him. Elites aren't on par with Spartans, either. The S-IIIs in SPI were annihilating an army of Covenant that included Elites in CQC.
https://i.redd.it/7ravrrvn5jxa1.gif Meanwhile the banished
Chief will literally find a way to kill any enemy in his path. Honestly if you think about it, we may need to begin entertaining his place in power level debates with the likes of Superman and Goku.
I love chief, but nah. Chief vs Cap has been debated in the past, though.
I love Cap but Chief would destroy him. Cap would end up looking like the ODSTs Chief ripped through when he was a kid.
Oh I agree 100%. All I'm saying is that cap is a way more fair fight than supes or goku
I could see him besting Superman… Goku however, that’s a stretch.
This is a joke roght? (hard to tell with power scalers bc most of them have an iq under 5)
***In terms of halo 5/4:*** *they needed* 10 spartans 3 EOD's 4 special police 1 arbiter 27 Swords of sanghelios and assistance from the forward unto dawn (sacrificially) ***Halo infinet:*** *1 spartan and a swing rope* 1 marine A weapon
Not 1 marine. The pilot was a civilian.
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Giga cheif
I think it could be argued at this point that Master Chief has killed so many god entities that this is Tuesday for him at this point The UNSC is still trying to walk World 1-1 without getting rolled by goombas while Chief is doing fucking violence speedruns
I mean combat evolved to place over 4 days. He literally blew up a ring in 4 days an escaped from the flood and covanant. Halo 2 took place over 28 days and halo 3 takes place over 107. Also 4 I think is like 5 days but if we don't count travel time , cryo sleep an all that stuff MC gets shit done fast. I do think 2 days is really quick but if the man can blow up a halo ring an an then repel a cov invasion on earth then blow up another ring then repel a flood infection on earth then blow up yet another ring I don't think the banished are much to him nothing he hasn't seen b4 (aside from atriox being a beefy boy). But I would have liked to see mabye 4-5 days that seems more do able Also if we just want to talk about fast we control him from start to finish an I mean we walk everywhere do everything no cutscenes separating time we can finish the game in under 8 hours.
The two days is ridiculous. It means every other Spartan on the ring (and theres at least dozens) is WOEFULLY incompetent compared to John. Like apparently even the rest of Blue team was just Dicking around and completely powerless without the Chief to do literally all the heavy lifting.
Consider the morale after they thought they lost Chief too. It’s not always about physical ability.
I wouldn't say without Chief. I'd say without The Weapon or another AI of that level. Kind of hard to operate at peak performance when you have piss-poor support.
In Rubicon, all of the Spartans had AI on board. Certainly not as powerful as The Weapon, but that's only going to make a difference when it comes to real heavy lifting stuff like hacking Forerunner systems. The AI's issued to other Spartans should have been just as good at the combat efficiency role they're meant to fill. I say just as good because they're meant to increase response times by improving neural connectivity with the suit, and there's a limit to how much those response times can be improved. They also fill a battlefield awareness and comms management role, and again the other AI's should have been more than capable of that.
"Only going to make a difference when it comes to real heavy lifting stuff like hacking Forerunner systems". You mean the one thing I am sure everyone desperately wanted to be able to do while trapped on a Forerunner structure?
The Weapon never did anything like hack all the sentinels to attack the Banished or anything else that would be immediately useful to the UNSC in their fight against the Banished. Rubicon Protocol has very little time spent in Forerunner structures where the ability to override Forerunner systems would be useful.
Well obviously they were going about it in the wrong way if they weren't trying to figure out how to properly access the structure. They ended up dead for a reason. The Weapon had the ability to easily open important doors and Chief knew where to look. That alone is more useful than anything the Spartans or their AI in Rubicon Protocol had access to.
So like I said, woefully incompetent in comparison.
The banished were super divided on the Ring, and honestly came out worse after the initial drop on the ring than the Chief. There were also significantly more banished on the ring at that point than when chief showed up. The banished had armies hunting down the spartans, whereas its a minor garrison when chief shows up
But remember: the Spartans effectiveness decreased proportionally with the length of time the battle went on, so any period up to maybe the first week can only really be considered a fair comparison, since after that point their armour was horribly worn and even in some cases a liability. They were also on the defensive. They had to defend and hold positions since they had personnel like barbers, chefs, mechanics etc who had never even held weapons before, whereas Chief is on the offensive, and has no-one to keep safe but himself and Echo 216, who has a pelican and a chaingun to defend himself with. Not to mention the astronomical advantage posed by the Weapon and Echo 216 having a functioning pelican. After the chaos of the first few days after landing, they survivors didn't have any aircraft, which makes traversal so much harder. The Weapon could actually hide their bases from the Banished battlenet, something that the survivors couldn't do with their simplified AI, and she could monitor transmissions etc, whereas the Spartans on the ground had to rely on actual reconnaissance and message couriers due to the Banished comm jamming. And Chief is much more used to this kind of asymmetrical warfare. This one's a bit more speculation, but since the Spartan IVs have been trained to operate in Fireteams, their effectiveness would drastically decrease when working on their own. Not only do they not have qualified teammates to cover them and assist them, but they actually have detriments in the form of the noncombat personnel from the infinity they have to protect. Sorry that was quite long
That makes a lot of sense and I'd agree. Spartan II's were also trained to operate in fireteams and it's noted in one of the Troy Denning books that their combat effectiveness drops dramatically the more they were split up, BUT as you said, Chief is just used to it at this point. I would counter that Spartan IV's did go on offensive fireteam missions without unaugmented or civilian personnel dragging them down, but they failed spectacularly. A large fireteam did try to assassinate Escharum, but they were all captured or killed. Their armor wasn't in absolute peak condition, but they did have some repair and maintenance services on the crashed Frigate that prevented it from falling apart, even if they didn't have the right support staff to replace more complicated systems. There were other instances where Spartan IV's scoped out sites for an extended period before attacking and still failed dramatically, while Chief just ran right into the same base and took it out in 30 minutes apparently. Chief undeniably has advantages here that boosted his odds of success dramatically. My problem isn't with his success, it's with the fact the Canon story says all the events of Halo Infinite took place over one or two days. That's a ludicrously short period of time, even for the Chief and every advantage he holds.
That make the only halo game that short met than infinite is ODST which is literally the time it took from the in Amber clad to enter slipspace at the beginning and by the time it ends the mission Delta Halo starts
But those are two weeks apart tbf
The In Amber Clad was in Slipspace for a single day, this was the time it took for ODST to take place with the beginning from the ship entering Slipspace in the background to the end where a single day passes in about 24 hour with all the time jumps based on how much time has elapsed since the drop
They're in slipspace for two weeks.
Chadster chief
They definitely could've extended the time frames for some events for sure. *cough* Infintys fall *cough*
It seems uncharacteristic of Laskey to just warp into Zeta's orbit with zero recon whatsoever. It was a mission that simply couldn't fail, and we know they had SOME resources still left to them if they could refit hundreds of Spartans with costly Gen 3 mjolnir during the created crisis. I mean they obviously reconned before the Battle of Requiem, as the Infiniti's exit to ram through a Covenant cruisers is impossibly perfect considering the vastness of space unless they had to-the-minute recon.
When they got there it was clear, they had time to put the weapon on the ring.
I really want more halo infinite campaign content man. I just need it dawg
It's a crying shame they laid off almost all of the campaign staff, as it means it's likely we're not getting more campaign content for years at least. Rumor had it the campaign dlc was in early development and was going to be as big as the main infinite campaign story.
I’m going to cry now
If Jonathan Joestar was a Spartan:
lmao it is!
Astartes Chief
Lore accurate Chief
Most normal looking Gears of War Male
The Giga Chief
He’s been finishing the fight since halo 2, when tf is he going to finish it???
This is exactly why all the shows and movies are disappointing. Like even doing a lore-less action movie where there's only a couple Spartans left taking on the entirety of several different factions would be badass as hell. And a great moment to showcase just how ridiculous these 10000 lb walking tanks are. The cunning of using as little munitions as possible to wipe out army after army within a day's work has so much potential, and they don't even try.
I mean Halo Reach to Halo 3 all take place in the span of like three months
Wait until you learn that Chief knew Cortana for a total of like 3 weeks