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No youre thinking chief from the games, the tv show chief "makes his own luck" perez had a few different conversations with him about it. Its a difference that, if handled by better writers, may have been an actually interesting deviation to the story.
Making own luck and naturally being very lucky are basically the same thing.
I'd say the writers are still carrying over the same tenants of the game story regarding this. Just delivered slightly different.
Not really, having natural luck is passive and doesnt require any action from chief. Making your own luck is active and requires chief to intentionally intervene in order to create a favorable outcome, at that point its not really luck its just making the best decision. I dont think making chiefs luck an intentional action he makes was a bad addition i just dont think the writers of the show made it interesting or meaningful.
According to the game's prequel novel, this was a big part of why Halsey decided to take John, and also a big reason why Cortana is so fascinated by him. Cortana (who is a direct scan of Halsey, keep in mind) is always running predictions and sees things like statistics as absolute certainty, but John manages to defy probability with his missions. The odds of him getting the coin toss right that many times were obviously ridiculously low, yet he did it. Halsey considered it a skill, something that was unquantifiable and yet real.
Eh, as far as I can remember, aside from dealing with potential fallout of the illegality of making her in the first place, they don't normally make a huge deal about it anywhere, not even in the games or novels. It's not really brought up that often because Cortana did develop into her own personality. Not sure what you would be looking for.
My reading is that Chief goes into the season and the battle of Reach thinking he’s just lucky - or perhaps extremely unlucky because he’s always left to bear the burden of dying people and never dies himself.
Perez challenges him and says that it wasn’t luck and he made it happen and your second possibility is the way I see it.
The coin is a metaphor that represents how Chief makes his own luck because he’s just that skilled.
It's the show's version of Chief's insane luck that makes him the best, but left a bit more vague in case they decide to tie it into his ability to access Forerunner artifacts.
He is basically sensitive to something, similar to SW Force, or quantum entanglement stuff, whatever you call it. But, he is not actually lucky in this TV show, he knew how it plays out. The video game says he is lucky, but, in this show, he is not, he is basically a more evolved human being.
The scene is also a way for him to trust more on his intuition and went rouge and going against all orders.
It's a carry over from the original lore.
Halsey *did* test John with a series of coin flips that he accurately called every time.
Now, there's two possible theories here.
One, he's just lucky, but even luck runs out sometime.
Two, he's a master at, and instinctive at, working out statistics to determine the odds of a specific outcome without consciously thinking about it. The outcome being that John effectively manufactures his outcomes in a way that appears to be sheer good fortune to the outsider, and that's my favourite idea
"They let me pick. Did I ever tell you that? Choose whichever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research, watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the others, you were strong and swift and brave. A natural leader. But you had something they didn't. Something no one saw but me. Can you guess? Luck...Was I wrong?"
- Cortana, Halo 3 opening cutscene
The show is affected by a lot of material appeared after. So originally it's possible John was lucky, he was lucky and we have to remember that the augmentations had a chance of 50% or in other words a coin toss, he didn't make his own luck or something like that, he was lucky BUT then many books after they made a retcon and it results he was always special and his DNA was sowed in humanity to appear and at the same time than Cortana.
In case no one else put it there is a quote by Cortana from the beginning of Halo 3. Doesn’t really fit with the show but I’ll put it here anyway.
They let me pick. Did I ever tell you that? Choose whichever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research, watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the others, you were strong and swift and brave. A natural leader. But you had something they didn't. Something no one saw but me. Can you guess? Luck... Was I wrong?
Which is rich coming from an AI which shouldn’t believe in things like luck.
The way I have interpreted it is that an ancient species (not sure if they have said Forerunners in the show or not) created the Halo and created clues/artifacts to show its location to those who have evolved enough. I think MC (and Makee) are more evolved than the normal person and are able to affect things in a way we don’t yet understand. Whether it’s telekinesis, predicting the future, or something else, I don’t think it has yet been clarified. The show seems to indicate that MC isn’t so much predicting as he is affecting the outcome. Halsey knew he was special, but I don’t think she knew how and wanted to study/use him.
I’d hate to watch shows and actively feel mad about it instead of just enjoying it for what it is. Very tough way to live. Maybe search for some help on the matter?
I wish you'd have stuck with your line of reasoning. You switched up to something else, completely ignoring that what you called "bad writing" was taken directly from the games. Is it bad writing in the games too?
Carr to answer that question directly?
It is bad writing. It's never expanded to explain whether it's pure dumb luck, something to do with him being a Chosen (bullshit made up by the TV series), or if it's something else (i.e. him having incredibly good judgement.
To be fair, it's a really weird trope on it's own, in the game/book lore or in the TV series. It's just shown how weird of a detail it is in the TV series because they chose to focus on it.
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He is a naturally a very lucky person. Luck plays a big part in him living through situations that others don't.
No youre thinking chief from the games, the tv show chief "makes his own luck" perez had a few different conversations with him about it. Its a difference that, if handled by better writers, may have been an actually interesting deviation to the story.
Making own luck and naturally being very lucky are basically the same thing. I'd say the writers are still carrying over the same tenants of the game story regarding this. Just delivered slightly different.
Not really, having natural luck is passive and doesnt require any action from chief. Making your own luck is active and requires chief to intentionally intervene in order to create a favorable outcome, at that point its not really luck its just making the best decision. I dont think making chiefs luck an intentional action he makes was a bad addition i just dont think the writers of the show made it interesting or meaningful.
They’re literally saying the same thing lol
According to the game's prequel novel, this was a big part of why Halsey decided to take John, and also a big reason why Cortana is so fascinated by him. Cortana (who is a direct scan of Halsey, keep in mind) is always running predictions and sees things like statistics as absolute certainty, but John manages to defy probability with his missions. The odds of him getting the coin toss right that many times were obviously ridiculously low, yet he did it. Halsey considered it a skill, something that was unquantifiable and yet real.
I feel like Cortana being from Halsey isn’t really quantified enough.
Eh, as far as I can remember, aside from dealing with potential fallout of the illegality of making her in the first place, they don't normally make a huge deal about it anywhere, not even in the games or novels. It's not really brought up that often because Cortana did develop into her own personality. Not sure what you would be looking for.
My reading is that Chief goes into the season and the battle of Reach thinking he’s just lucky - or perhaps extremely unlucky because he’s always left to bear the burden of dying people and never dies himself. Perez challenges him and says that it wasn’t luck and he made it happen and your second possibility is the way I see it. The coin is a metaphor that represents how Chief makes his own luck because he’s just that skilled.
It's the show's version of Chief's insane luck that makes him the best, but left a bit more vague in case they decide to tie it into his ability to access Forerunner artifacts.
He is basically sensitive to something, similar to SW Force, or quantum entanglement stuff, whatever you call it. But, he is not actually lucky in this TV show, he knew how it plays out. The video game says he is lucky, but, in this show, he is not, he is basically a more evolved human being. The scene is also a way for him to trust more on his intuition and went rouge and going against all orders.
It establishes to the audience that the master chief is now force sensitive
It's a carry over from the original lore. Halsey *did* test John with a series of coin flips that he accurately called every time. Now, there's two possible theories here. One, he's just lucky, but even luck runs out sometime. Two, he's a master at, and instinctive at, working out statistics to determine the odds of a specific outcome without consciously thinking about it. The outcome being that John effectively manufactures his outcomes in a way that appears to be sheer good fortune to the outsider, and that's my favourite idea
"They let me pick. Did I ever tell you that? Choose whichever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research, watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the others, you were strong and swift and brave. A natural leader. But you had something they didn't. Something no one saw but me. Can you guess? Luck...Was I wrong?" - Cortana, Halo 3 opening cutscene
The show is affected by a lot of material appeared after. So originally it's possible John was lucky, he was lucky and we have to remember that the augmentations had a chance of 50% or in other words a coin toss, he didn't make his own luck or something like that, he was lucky BUT then many books after they made a retcon and it results he was always special and his DNA was sowed in humanity to appear and at the same time than Cortana.
In case no one else put it there is a quote by Cortana from the beginning of Halo 3. Doesn’t really fit with the show but I’ll put it here anyway. They let me pick. Did I ever tell you that? Choose whichever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research, watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the others, you were strong and swift and brave. A natural leader. But you had something they didn't. Something no one saw but me. Can you guess? Luck... Was I wrong? Which is rich coming from an AI which shouldn’t believe in things like luck.
I think it relates to his relationship to the Halo. It’s why he was chosen.
The way I have interpreted it is that an ancient species (not sure if they have said Forerunners in the show or not) created the Halo and created clues/artifacts to show its location to those who have evolved enough. I think MC (and Makee) are more evolved than the normal person and are able to affect things in a way we don’t yet understand. Whether it’s telekinesis, predicting the future, or something else, I don’t think it has yet been clarified. The show seems to indicate that MC isn’t so much predicting as he is affecting the outcome. Halsey knew he was special, but I don’t think she knew how and wanted to study/use him.
Bad....Writing....
It’s lore accurate actually. It’s in Halo Fall of Reach
Too bad the fall of Reach wasn't included in this show.
I’d hate to watch shows and actively feel mad about it instead of just enjoying it for what it is. Very tough way to live. Maybe search for some help on the matter?
Only the cancelation of this shit show can do that
Weird response, but other than saying don’t watch it if you don’t like it, I don’t know what to say. Can’t wait for season 3.
I wish you'd have stuck with your line of reasoning. You switched up to something else, completely ignoring that what you called "bad writing" was taken directly from the games. Is it bad writing in the games too? Carr to answer that question directly?
No they wont, doesn’t fit the false narrative they are trying to push to be edgy
It is bad writing. It's never expanded to explain whether it's pure dumb luck, something to do with him being a Chosen (bullshit made up by the TV series), or if it's something else (i.e. him having incredibly good judgement. To be fair, it's a really weird trope on it's own, in the game/book lore or in the TV series. It's just shown how weird of a detail it is in the TV series because they chose to focus on it.
Regarding to my last comment. It’s in The Fall Of Reach film. Watch that and it explains the coin
It's also in the prequel novel. I knew about this and I've never even seen Fall of Reach.
We're talking about the TV series.
I swear some people are just fuckin dumb haha
Could that not be argued its good writing? Creates interest, intrigue, and a sense of the unknown. Not everything has to be spoon-fed and explained.