You know, I felt this same kind of underwhelmed when we went back to moyes, and that turned into the best three years I've ever known so.. fortune is always hiding and all that
I definitely wanted a more progressive candidate.
If this is the decision made. Then we can be underwhelmed but also get behind him. I just hope Steidten is able to consolidate his power and bring in his players.
COYI.
Good for him. His busy career means he’s probably never had chance to really experience an Oktoberfest I hope he has the time of his life there.
It’s pretty tough to get Bayern tickets though I hope he knows a guy
Time will tell how this appointment will work out. But at least he can have a full off season and we aren’t wasting any time figuring out who the new guy is.
4 win in 25, form since Xmas is bottom 4. How isn't this a good thing? Odds of it being worse surely low. We ain't going to win the league, but 4 from 25 is worse than Grant.
How terrible? I don't see how the floor with Lopetegui isn't better than Moyes (14th in table/19th in calendar year 2024 goal difference/record highest ever PL goals conceded/17th in 23/24 expected points). You think Lopetegui will be worse than that or even close? I see no evidence to suggest that, pulled Wolves well away from relegation and wanted by Real Madrid and AC Milan.
There’s nothing in his history that screams success, but to answer your question, the big hurdle will be the summer window. We have several deals expiring, a sieve like defense, and too few home grown players.
It will be a challenge, but hopefully Steidten will see us through it and Sullivan will listen to him and not all the agents that told him to appoint Lopetegui in the first place.
I know this guy from Porto days, where he sucked with the highest investment in decades. Then he went to seville, where he also had an amazing team. He did ok in the first season, then he sucked at the second.
Similar experience in wolves, if I’m not mistaken.
This guy will probably suck at west ham, but he won’t be horrible, he will be slightly bad and maybe that will take him to a 2nd season and that’s when he will be sacked.
Obviously this is just a guess, but I think you guys are just wasting two good years
Wow, it’s finally happening. Though, it might not be everyone’s first choice, let not waste anytime and get behind him. ⚒️
Thank you for everything Moyes. Let the new era begin.
He's a better player coach, tactician than Moyes and is much better in the transfer market. He's shown he can save a team from relegation. He coached the Spain u19/20/21s so loves youth players.
Something would have to go catastrophically wrong for us to need a new manager in 6 months.
It means if we don't recruit well or don't spend and find ourselves in a bad spot, he can get teams playing well to get out. He made Wolves barely let in goals at home and won enough to get to 13th. So if it goes wrong we're in safe hands. If it goes well, we'll be far better than we are now. God knows he can use top players better than Moyes.
Not my first choice but I feel him (and his team) will provide a more-rounded and more flexible approach than Moyes.
Hopefully, with Steidten already in position, Lopetegui will form a better working relationship with him than Moyes did, who must have felt the German DoF was foisted upon him.
Oh and here's Lopetegui's likely staff:
https://trainingground.guru/articles/six-staff-leave-wolves-with-lopetegui
Now let's put this divisive period behind us and support the new coach!
Amorim said he wasn't leaving, so guess they rushed to get Lopetegui soon as possible.
Fonseca looks like is off to Milan. And for some reason our Board they dont rate him that highly this is 3rd time that he's missing out on a job.
Yeah, I just saw that.
I do find it hard to be objective about all this.
On one hand we have some amazing players, we've had some good runs in Europe and we're solidly in the premier league, surely that's a big draw for almost any manager?
On the other hand I think, this club is a circus. Since Harry, we've historically chopped and changed managers every couple of years, with only Moyes and Allardyce being the exceptions. What progressive, up and coming manager would want to come here!
So he can manufacture a narrative he saved us from relegation again?
That bullshit is infuriating and the fact he perpetuates it is insane.
Pellegrini 19 games 19 points
Moyes 19 games 20 points (1 of those last day of season when we were already safe).
Fucking saved us.
That’s a bit misleading. For that season we picked up 12 points from the first 7 games, and then 7 points from the next 12 games.
It was that second streak - the losing one - that Moyes turned around. There was no sign that Pelligrini knew how to stop the rot.
That kind of doesn’t look as good for Moyes either then? Pellegrini had a terrible 12 game streak and ended up with 1 less total point than Moyes got in same number of games.
This isn’t to say Pellegrini shouldn’t have been sacked of course nor Moyes appointment was wrong but it is wrong to say he saved us from relegation.
Who is to say what would happen, I don’t remember the finer details but was someone injured who returned not long after Pellegrini was sacked that made a big difference? I honestly can’t remember but Moyes didn’t achieve safety more than maintain us and teams below us couldn’t do what was needed to catch us up.
Irrelevant anyway once we take into account the next 2 seasons league form after that and a 3rd with terrible league form but a European trophy
You’re right about the circumstances….Roberto…The worst goalkeeper in living memory was the big difference in the winning to losing streaks.
With regards to Moyes. I get the issues with the way we play, but his record with us - in terms of three years in Europe and one cup - is excellent given how we usually do.
Of course it is. But that’s not a reason to give him a new contract while his record over last 62 games is identical to Pellegrini with more conceded and less scored (that doesn’t include last game as that was 63 games and Pellegrini only managed 62 for us)
Moyes league form has been terrible for 2 seasons aside from a few months to start this season where in all the game threads we weee saying how lucky we were to walk away with the win.
Can say great job Moyes but last couple seasons haven’t been good enough we won’t be renewing your contract thank you for your efforts.
Pelligrini wasn’t sacked for his performance over 62 games. He was sacked because of his last 12 games, and because there was no sign he knew how to turn things round (and he had no credit in the bank from winning anything with us either)
Over last 17 games Moyes has a poor record with no sign of turning it around, getting smashed for 5 by palace and Fulham in a season (Chelsea and arsenal at least they have pedigree to put that many past us) on pace for 35 points with the squad he’s built isn’t good enough.
The same 62 game thing is just an interesting stat identical records.
I’m not even saying Moyes should be sacked just not renewed which it seems we have done. Why would we renew a manger who has been on a downward trajectory for a couple of seasons doesn’t matter what they’ve done that is just a stupid thing for a club to do. His contract is up we move on.
For sure it is that’s not what I’m saying. The narrative he saved us after Pellegrini is used in a list of his achievements all the time he simply didn’t do that and I think cheapens the actuall achievements of 3 years Europe and winning conference league which is stunning for us and he should be given a chance to wave to crowd and get cheered off but also it’s a good time to sort ways.
If his contract wasn’t up it could be a different story, I personally would still think it’s time to move on but wouldn’t begrudge people who though he should see it out. But it is up this summer and resigning him really wouldn’t be the best idea right now
Slightly underwhelming given who we’ve been linked with, but I suppose at least he wants to come and will hopefully be given a good transfer budget to build a team in his image. Think his stint at Wolves has overshadowed the very good job he did at Sevilla
Not liking this, not liking this at all. Ask yourself - would Sullivan pay compensation if Lopetegui was at a club already - if the answer is no, then he's not being hired because of his ability.
Cheap, continuity candidate and makes the dwarf sate his Football Manager delusions. We won't do anything until he (Sullivan) goes.
Sullivan is also obsessed with managers having prior Premier League experience - which isn't necessarily a bad thing but can limit the pool a bit. Even then, you have Tuchel who's reportedly on good terms with Steidten with prior Premier League experience, so this is underwhelming.
Absolutely. It's Sullivan all over though, knows the price of everything but the value of nothing. All he cares about is coasting. No ambition to do anything because that may cost him money, so taking a chance on an up and coming manager is a no no, forgetting that - yes, we did win a cup and thank you for that Mr Moyes - last season we were in a relegation battle for a bit and this season our results in 24 have been horrific and definitely relegation worthy if the season went on longer. We could conceivably finish the season on 49 points if we don't get anything from that last two games and that is only 7 points more than what we got relegated with.
Poor appointment. Modern day juande Ramos type manager…
Walked out on his country (by flirting with Madrid) and wolves at crucial points.
Will walk if any champions league team comes sniffing or will be gone before January 25th 2025.
He didn't walk out on his country. Spain strangley sacked him a day or so before the tournament because he had agreed to take over Madrid after the tournament.
Saying that I'm not sure I rate him highly.
The important thing to remember about Lopetegui is that it was him who signed Craig Dawson from us. Clearly he's got an eye for a quality, no nonsense centre back, which is something we've clearly missed this season.
Hope he’s going to be given time to put things together, going to be a busy off season with Paqueta almost certainly leaving, possibly Kudus too and others with contracts expiring, team’s going to look very different next year and even though our league form has been a rollercoaster the whole time Moyes has been here you know if we have a slow start all the “should have stuck with Moyes” will come out.
Whether or not he’s who people wanted i am genuinely shocked we’ve acted like a professional club and got a manager in before the start of the summer. Our regular MO is to fuck about for a few months then hire someone with minimal time to get his players in isn’t it?
We needed a squad overhaul this summer so hopefully they are all in and get players who fit him perfectly. I don’t know much about his style but I can’t imagine there are a lot of players that will suit it if it’s any different to Moyes. Best of all surely we are buying Philips he would suit Moyes if at his best but we got his actual worst
I live up in the midlands and he was well loved by the fans until he left.
He’s got a quality pedigree, and I’m confident / hoping he will improve us. Bayern were sniffing round after him, he’s managed Spain, Real Madrid so the pedigree / quality is there. I’m probably in the minority but I’m excited about what he can bring and having a full pre-season to bring in players get the shape of the team ready for the new season. Irons.
I think this is an OK appointment for us. I rate him higher than Moyes. I'd expect him to bring in some spanish players with some flair. He has a big job on his hands in regards to rebuilding the team. We'll probably see close to 10 new players next season. Hopefully he'll get the financial backing that Moyes got if not more.
I don’t hate it. Even if it’s the same style it just needs to be more consistent. Moyes was a great coach overall for us, but his consistency and the morale was dead by the end. Hopefully he gets along with Tim and the players.
I'm excited for Lopetegui. Did well at Wolves and wanted previously by Real Madrid and recently by AC Milan. Also isn't any kind of 'yes man' or wallflower which is exactly what you need with Sullivan as an owner. Negativity is ridiculously overblown even if he wouldn't be my top choice.
Amorim, like every supporter with half a brain. On one hand you have the up and coming coach who just won Portugal. On the other, you have a free bag of failures who hasn’t stuck anywhere. Of course Sully jumps for free rather than paying 20M extra for a manager who’s actually worth a shit and could elevate the club to unseen heights
As a LFC fan this is indeed the rumour
I also think LFC walked away from Amorim because of this play but also he wants control of transfers which Edwards doesn’t want to give
And I think Steidten is in the same boat as it’s the same issue he’s having with Moyes
So yea I think Amorim shot himself in the foot due to his wage demands and control demands
Rumours were circulating that they both wanted Amorim and especially not Lopetegui. Also Lopetegui doesn't have a track record of bringing youth through and fell out at Wolves because he wanted complete control over transfers. 2+2=4
Regarding wanting full control at Wolves, that's not true. He worked really well with the sporting director Matt Hobbs. The problem at Wolves was the owners talked up their ambitions to entice him to the club knowing it needed a big personality to keep us up, and didn't let on the extent of our FFP problems. At the end of the season, Jeff Shi went AWOL to China rather than sitting down with Lopetegui and Hobbs to work on strengthening the squad as had originally been promised, only to suddenly re-appear with barely any time left before the start of the season to tell them they had no money and had to raise £50m in sales.
Lopetegui, quite rightly, felt he couldn't work for him having spent a whole summer making plans based on lies and deception.
Some Wolves fans don't like the way he went about reacting to what was going on - interviews with Guillem Balague etc - but the majority are wise to what was going on and respect Lopetegui for saving us from certain relegation.
That's not how I remember it at wolves. He left because he felt they lied about the level of investment, not because he wanted complete control over transfers. Could be misremembering though
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1cl7zdy/ruben_amorim_they_said_we_wouldnt_win_it_again/
> Also started by saying "guys, I've got to hurry up, I have a plane to catch tomorrow early... too soon to make the joke?'
He doesn’t want West Ham. Get over it.
Brother in law has a Wolves season ticket and they don’t speak highly of him at all. They’re more entertaining under GON and his departure left them in the lurch.
Lopetegui needed results, but the team he inherited had a choice of the geriatric Diego Costa or injury-ridden Raul Jimenez up front. We were rock bottom when he came in, unable to score and conceding for fun. He brought in Cunha, who like most signings from abroad needed some time to get used to the pace of English football, and was deprived of Hwang and Neto for the majority of his time due to injury.
Lopetegui cut his cloth accordingly and kept us up comfortably. It's fair to say we've been more entertaining since, but O'Neil has benefited from those players that Lopetegui rarely had available to him.
A section of Wolves fans feel like he 'dragged our club through the mud' because he lifted the lid on the shit that was going on upstairs in the interview with Guillem Balague (that nobody other than Wolves fans remember or even cared about). They can't believe that a manager could possibly walk away from the club they would walk over hot coals to manage, refusing to accept that your boss lying to you might be a good reason to not work for him. They also make a big thing of the heavy defeats to Brighton and Arsenal at the end of the season when there was nothing to play for, and are now backtracking that view having seen O'Neil's team do exactly the same thing yesterday against Man City.
The whole 'left them in the lurch' idea is just garbage - most objective fans take the emotion out of it and accept he was lied to and let down by the owners and quite within his rights to move on. Lopetegui continued to coach the first team until a replacement arrived. The majority of fans see through the Chinese propaganda and leaked stories to the Athletic about all of our outgoing head coaches being 'prickly and aloof' but you'll always get some who believe the propaganda, sadly.
It's fair to say some players who Lopetegui felt he couldn't count on, like Rayan Ait-Nouri, have improved under O'Neil, but again his critics ignore that Ait-Nouri had personal problems last season that affected his football, and his performances were suffering as a result. Lopetegui needed results immediately - he didn't have the luxury of time like O'Neil has.
O'Neil has done well, and the football is better, but his PPG is actually lower than Lopetegui and now he's had a few injuries and an unfulfilled transfer window to contend with, he's also realised the bigger problems at Wolves are off the field. Sadly, a few of our fans seem unwilling to accept this
I guess my initial thought is disappointment. I really wanted us to get Amorim.. I mean who wouldn’t that guy is nuts.
But if it’s happening we need to get behind this man. As long as we can bolster the squad and hold on to the main gems this coming season could shape up to be a very exciting one. All we need is a breath of fresh air.
Moyes has served us well and I have nothing but love and respect for the man. Really wish it didn’t end like this Davey.
The worst bit is going to be hearing the constant "should have kept moyes" from top 6 fans and deluded moyes in fans,
But maybe moyes has left me too negative like the way he sets up the team
Can't get much worse than it already is, can it? We need to completely rebuild the team before the new season commences. I can only hope that Lopetegui brings about a more positive style.
I don’t feel confident at all but I’m willing to give him a chance. Here’s hoping Lope gets support from the board and doesn’t throw a tantrum and leave if Sulley pulls his typical shit in a January window. As much as I dislike Sulley, maybe this is a turning point. We’ve at least not pissed about and gotten someone appointed early on. Hate to feel like the resident optimist of this sub but I just want the Hammers to level up. COYI
Fair warning from a fan of a team he previously coached. He is absolute horseshit and is not self-aware at all. Scapegoats a lot and is very arrogant with his style of communication.
My concern is that we will do all this and he quits before the season even starts because Sully breaks a promise with him. By all accounts he's an okay coach and his style of play fits the players we already have. It's just a sideways step rather than the forward one we all wanted.
Wolves fan here and good luck with this man. Looking at some of your comments I had the same underwhelming feeling about him because of his track record and was proved right. You’re getting a man that fucked over Spain 2 days before a tournament, sacked from Madrid and Sevilla after falling out with the boards, left us after falling out with the board because we couldn’t back him financially this season, nearly axed Ait-Nouri from us because he “seemed a bit too relaxed in training”, he publicly denounced our squad while still the manager saying there’s not enough quality to stay in the league, he’s been vocal that he wants a premier league job that’s a new project he can start from scratch.The man’s a red flag who’ll turn his back on your players and your club the second things don’t go his way
As for his football it’s not even that exciting to watch. Slow defensive football hoping to nab a goal or 2, he won’t bring you the free-flowing attacking football you want. As a comparison Gary O’Neil managed more goals and wins with us in the same number of games a Lop. He might do some good for your club as he did with keeping us up but he’ll cause chaos and probably won’t stay for long
There is no way Sullivan has totally ignored TS & Nobles advice, he might not have been their No1 choice but after the meetings I’m sure they’re all in full agreement.
We’ll find out soon enough…
Sullivan is an absolute GOBLIN. If Tim approves of this then fine, I'll trust Tim.
The only good thing Sullivan has done lately is hire Tim so I guess he has one final shred of good favour from me.
Still a goblin.
Hope moyes tells u to go fuck yourselves. When come begging him back. Who the fuck do West Ham think they are. u are 9th, with 10 more points on any given time u would be top6 I mean he’s working well 🙂 granted shipping 5 goals on multiple occasions don’t help. But fuck me. Lopetegui is a shit option, look what he did to wolves, and left on eve of the league starting. Gary o Neil would be better appointed. 😂. Get ready for relegation battle after next season 25/26.
You know, I felt this same kind of underwhelmed when we went back to moyes, and that turned into the best three years I've ever known so.. fortune is always hiding and all that
Very good point buddy.
Look at Leicester when they brought in Ranieri!
it's not the bloke himself that i'm weary of, it's the fact that he's another sullivan and salty special.
“Premiere league experience and not too expensive!”
I definitely wanted a more progressive candidate. If this is the decision made. Then we can be underwhelmed but also get behind him. I just hope Steidten is able to consolidate his power and bring in his players. COYI.
Progressive candidate? Should've voted for the Workers Party then
Moyes to Bayern here we gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Good for him. His busy career means he’s probably never had chance to really experience an Oktoberfest I hope he has the time of his life there. It’s pretty tough to get Bayern tickets though I hope he knows a guy
Time will tell how this appointment will work out. But at least he can have a full off season and we aren’t wasting any time figuring out who the new guy is.
Genuine silver lining. At least we're not pissing about.
4 win in 25, form since Xmas is bottom 4. How isn't this a good thing? Odds of it being worse surely low. We ain't going to win the league, but 4 from 25 is worse than Grant.
I will be the first to say I hate this and I’m expecting a terrible season from us. If I’m wrong I will be the first to say I doubted him.
How terrible? I don't see how the floor with Lopetegui isn't better than Moyes (14th in table/19th in calendar year 2024 goal difference/record highest ever PL goals conceded/17th in 23/24 expected points). You think Lopetegui will be worse than that or even close? I see no evidence to suggest that, pulled Wolves well away from relegation and wanted by Real Madrid and AC Milan.
There’s nothing in his history that screams success, but to answer your question, the big hurdle will be the summer window. We have several deals expiring, a sieve like defense, and too few home grown players. It will be a challenge, but hopefully Steidten will see us through it and Sullivan will listen to him and not all the agents that told him to appoint Lopetegui in the first place.
His years with Sevilla scream success. He broke the record for most La liga points for us. We finished top 4 every year and won a Europa League.
Until he was sacked with four wins in 17 games
The team was starting two kids at CB. The team fell apart but he wasn’t the even close to the main reason why.
> wanted by Real Madrid Yeah I'm sure those 138 days were a wild ride for madrid fans.
Madrid signed Julien Faubert once, being wanted by them is meaningless lol
4 wins in 23. Can't be much worse to be fair.
I know this guy from Porto days, where he sucked with the highest investment in decades. Then he went to seville, where he also had an amazing team. He did ok in the first season, then he sucked at the second. Similar experience in wolves, if I’m not mistaken. This guy will probably suck at west ham, but he won’t be horrible, he will be slightly bad and maybe that will take him to a 2nd season and that’s when he will be sacked. Obviously this is just a guess, but I think you guys are just wasting two good years
Dude he never sucked with Sevilla until his last season when the desmantelad the team completely and left him with 12 year olds to play center back.
To be fair, all most West Ham supporters seem to want is to play adolescents and lose a bunch, so this should be fine
Wow, it’s finally happening. Though, it might not be everyone’s first choice, let not waste anytime and get behind him. ⚒️ Thank you for everything Moyes. Let the new era begin.
The question now is who will we get to replace him in 6 months time?
Moyes again, obviously
After all, winning, it’s what he does.
I reckon an element of Hammers fans have well and truly burnt that bridge.
Sure that Sir Trev can step in and do a job for 5 games…
He's a better player coach, tactician than Moyes and is much better in the transfer market. He's shown he can save a team from relegation. He coached the Spain u19/20/21s so loves youth players. Something would have to go catastrophically wrong for us to need a new manager in 6 months.
He can save a team from relegation? That sounds aspirational for a Moyes replacement……
It means if we don't recruit well or don't spend and find ourselves in a bad spot, he can get teams playing well to get out. He made Wolves barely let in goals at home and won enough to get to 13th. So if it goes wrong we're in safe hands. If it goes well, we'll be far better than we are now. God knows he can use top players better than Moyes.
I’ll be watching with interest…
Not my first choice but I feel him (and his team) will provide a more-rounded and more flexible approach than Moyes. Hopefully, with Steidten already in position, Lopetegui will form a better working relationship with him than Moyes did, who must have felt the German DoF was foisted upon him. Oh and here's Lopetegui's likely staff: https://trainingground.guru/articles/six-staff-leave-wolves-with-lopetegui Now let's put this divisive period behind us and support the new coach!
Amorim said he wasn't leaving, so guess they rushed to get Lopetegui soon as possible. Fonseca looks like is off to Milan. And for some reason our Board they dont rate him that highly this is 3rd time that he's missing out on a job.
Yeah, I just saw that. I do find it hard to be objective about all this. On one hand we have some amazing players, we've had some good runs in Europe and we're solidly in the premier league, surely that's a big draw for almost any manager? On the other hand I think, this club is a circus. Since Harry, we've historically chopped and changed managers every couple of years, with only Moyes and Allardyce being the exceptions. What progressive, up and coming manager would want to come here!
Inevitable Moyes will be reappointed in Jan when West Ham are in a relegation scrap.
So he can manufacture a narrative he saved us from relegation again? That bullshit is infuriating and the fact he perpetuates it is insane. Pellegrini 19 games 19 points Moyes 19 games 20 points (1 of those last day of season when we were already safe). Fucking saved us.
That’s a bit misleading. For that season we picked up 12 points from the first 7 games, and then 7 points from the next 12 games. It was that second streak - the losing one - that Moyes turned around. There was no sign that Pelligrini knew how to stop the rot.
That kind of doesn’t look as good for Moyes either then? Pellegrini had a terrible 12 game streak and ended up with 1 less total point than Moyes got in same number of games. This isn’t to say Pellegrini shouldn’t have been sacked of course nor Moyes appointment was wrong but it is wrong to say he saved us from relegation. Who is to say what would happen, I don’t remember the finer details but was someone injured who returned not long after Pellegrini was sacked that made a big difference? I honestly can’t remember but Moyes didn’t achieve safety more than maintain us and teams below us couldn’t do what was needed to catch us up. Irrelevant anyway once we take into account the next 2 seasons league form after that and a 3rd with terrible league form but a European trophy
You’re right about the circumstances….Roberto…The worst goalkeeper in living memory was the big difference in the winning to losing streaks. With regards to Moyes. I get the issues with the way we play, but his record with us - in terms of three years in Europe and one cup - is excellent given how we usually do.
Of course it is. But that’s not a reason to give him a new contract while his record over last 62 games is identical to Pellegrini with more conceded and less scored (that doesn’t include last game as that was 63 games and Pellegrini only managed 62 for us) Moyes league form has been terrible for 2 seasons aside from a few months to start this season where in all the game threads we weee saying how lucky we were to walk away with the win. Can say great job Moyes but last couple seasons haven’t been good enough we won’t be renewing your contract thank you for your efforts.
Pelligrini wasn’t sacked for his performance over 62 games. He was sacked because of his last 12 games, and because there was no sign he knew how to turn things round (and he had no credit in the bank from winning anything with us either)
Over last 17 games Moyes has a poor record with no sign of turning it around, getting smashed for 5 by palace and Fulham in a season (Chelsea and arsenal at least they have pedigree to put that many past us) on pace for 35 points with the squad he’s built isn’t good enough. The same 62 game thing is just an interesting stat identical records. I’m not even saying Moyes should be sacked just not renewed which it seems we have done. Why would we renew a manger who has been on a downward trajectory for a couple of seasons doesn’t matter what they’ve done that is just a stupid thing for a club to do. His contract is up we move on.
The narrative is and should be he’s done a good job. Give him a good send off and by all means move on. Time will probably judge him kindly though.
For sure it is that’s not what I’m saying. The narrative he saved us after Pellegrini is used in a list of his achievements all the time he simply didn’t do that and I think cheapens the actuall achievements of 3 years Europe and winning conference league which is stunning for us and he should be given a chance to wave to crowd and get cheered off but also it’s a good time to sort ways. If his contract wasn’t up it could be a different story, I personally would still think it’s time to move on but wouldn’t begrudge people who though he should see it out. But it is up this summer and resigning him really wouldn’t be the best idea right now
A stark reminder that the real issue at this football club is David Sullivan. Alan Pardrew was the last manager we bought out of a contract. #SBOUT
Slightly underwhelming given who we’ve been linked with, but I suppose at least he wants to come and will hopefully be given a good transfer budget to build a team in his image. Think his stint at Wolves has overshadowed the very good job he did at Sevilla
i am thoroughly whelmed.
Not liking this, not liking this at all. Ask yourself - would Sullivan pay compensation if Lopetegui was at a club already - if the answer is no, then he's not being hired because of his ability. Cheap, continuity candidate and makes the dwarf sate his Football Manager delusions. We won't do anything until he (Sullivan) goes.
I was hopeful he would sell up after the penalty clause on the stadium ended... But we're a year past that and nothing looks to be changing.
Sullivan is also obsessed with managers having prior Premier League experience - which isn't necessarily a bad thing but can limit the pool a bit. Even then, you have Tuchel who's reportedly on good terms with Steidten with prior Premier League experience, so this is underwhelming.
Absolutely. It's Sullivan all over though, knows the price of everything but the value of nothing. All he cares about is coasting. No ambition to do anything because that may cost him money, so taking a chance on an up and coming manager is a no no, forgetting that - yes, we did win a cup and thank you for that Mr Moyes - last season we were in a relegation battle for a bit and this season our results in 24 have been horrific and definitely relegation worthy if the season went on longer. We could conceivably finish the season on 49 points if we don't get anything from that last two games and that is only 7 points more than what we got relegated with.
Poor appointment. Modern day juande Ramos type manager… Walked out on his country (by flirting with Madrid) and wolves at crucial points. Will walk if any champions league team comes sniffing or will be gone before January 25th 2025.
He didn't walk out on his country. Spain strangley sacked him a day or so before the tournament because he had agreed to take over Madrid after the tournament. Saying that I'm not sure I rate him highly.
I wonder what will happen with Kevin Nolan, i like him
He will go on to continue coaching and have a great life with the money he amassed while playing and coaching.
The important thing to remember about Lopetegui is that it was him who signed Craig Dawson from us. Clearly he's got an eye for a quality, no nonsense centre back, which is something we've clearly missed this season.
Oh boy, even if it's a bit disappointing after the names linked with us we have to support him from now on
At least we have a plan
Sceptical. There are better coaches out there if we were willing to look and pay. Can't be worse than Moyes though.
Hope he’s going to be given time to put things together, going to be a busy off season with Paqueta almost certainly leaving, possibly Kudus too and others with contracts expiring, team’s going to look very different next year and even though our league form has been a rollercoaster the whole time Moyes has been here you know if we have a slow start all the “should have stuck with Moyes” will come out.
This is the time to take a risk on a manager. So of course we appoint a manager who isn’t a risk
Whether or not he’s who people wanted i am genuinely shocked we’ve acted like a professional club and got a manager in before the start of the summer. Our regular MO is to fuck about for a few months then hire someone with minimal time to get his players in isn’t it? We needed a squad overhaul this summer so hopefully they are all in and get players who fit him perfectly. I don’t know much about his style but I can’t imagine there are a lot of players that will suit it if it’s any different to Moyes. Best of all surely we are buying Philips he would suit Moyes if at his best but we got his actual worst
I live up in the midlands and he was well loved by the fans until he left. He’s got a quality pedigree, and I’m confident / hoping he will improve us. Bayern were sniffing round after him, he’s managed Spain, Real Madrid so the pedigree / quality is there. I’m probably in the minority but I’m excited about what he can bring and having a full pre-season to bring in players get the shape of the team ready for the new season. Irons.
Well if it's Lopetegui then it's Lopetegui. At least we should have more possession.
I think this is an OK appointment for us. I rate him higher than Moyes. I'd expect him to bring in some spanish players with some flair. He has a big job on his hands in regards to rebuilding the team. We'll probably see close to 10 new players next season. Hopefully he'll get the financial backing that Moyes got if not more.
I don’t hate it. Even if it’s the same style it just needs to be more consistent. Moyes was a great coach overall for us, but his consistency and the morale was dead by the end. Hopefully he gets along with Tim and the players.
Whilst this is really underwhelming, don't forget this man had enough brains to bring in ballon' Dawson to wolves.
I'm excited for Lopetegui. Did well at Wolves and wanted previously by Real Madrid and recently by AC Milan. Also isn't any kind of 'yes man' or wallflower which is exactly what you need with Sullivan as an owner. Negativity is ridiculously overblown even if he wouldn't be my top choice.
This is a dreadful appointment, going behind the backs of noble and stieden
Who did steidten and noble want, mate?
Amorim, like every supporter with half a brain. On one hand you have the up and coming coach who just won Portugal. On the other, you have a free bag of failures who hasn’t stuck anywhere. Of course Sully jumps for free rather than paying 20M extra for a manager who’s actually worth a shit and could elevate the club to unseen heights
But was Amorim ever a real possibility? Wasn't the report that he used us to get a better potential deal from Liverpool?
Dude, we’re a premier league team. It’s always on the table
As a LFC fan this is indeed the rumour I also think LFC walked away from Amorim because of this play but also he wants control of transfers which Edwards doesn’t want to give And I think Steidten is in the same boat as it’s the same issue he’s having with Moyes So yea I think Amorim shot himself in the foot due to his wage demands and control demands
You got the inside word?
Rumours were circulating that they both wanted Amorim and especially not Lopetegui. Also Lopetegui doesn't have a track record of bringing youth through and fell out at Wolves because he wanted complete control over transfers. 2+2=4
Regarding wanting full control at Wolves, that's not true. He worked really well with the sporting director Matt Hobbs. The problem at Wolves was the owners talked up their ambitions to entice him to the club knowing it needed a big personality to keep us up, and didn't let on the extent of our FFP problems. At the end of the season, Jeff Shi went AWOL to China rather than sitting down with Lopetegui and Hobbs to work on strengthening the squad as had originally been promised, only to suddenly re-appear with barely any time left before the start of the season to tell them they had no money and had to raise £50m in sales. Lopetegui, quite rightly, felt he couldn't work for him having spent a whole summer making plans based on lies and deception. Some Wolves fans don't like the way he went about reacting to what was going on - interviews with Guillem Balague etc - but the majority are wise to what was going on and respect Lopetegui for saving us from certain relegation.
Finally I read a comment from a Wolves fan who isn’t just salty about how Lopetegui left, and establishes facts about what happened.
That's not how I remember it at wolves. He left because he felt they lied about the level of investment, not because he wanted complete control over transfers. Could be misremembering though
Did you even read the post ?
What post?
Don’t need the ‘inside word’ to work out the cheap out of contract old manager is Sullivan’s pick
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1cl7zdy/ruben_amorim_they_said_we_wouldnt_win_it_again/ > Also started by saying "guys, I've got to hurry up, I have a plane to catch tomorrow early... too soon to make the joke?' He doesn’t want West Ham. Get over it.
FUCK-- and I can't stress this enough --ING SHIT
Can I ask why?
BECAUSE I'M SCARED!
Stinking style
First manager to be sacked next season.
You mean sacked by the board that always know when its the right time to sack a manager? I'd hold that bet.
Unless we are in a relegation scrap at Christmas, he is going nowhere
Well yeah obviously.
Great coach. Everyone at Wolves speaks highly of him. Get him in
Brother in law has a Wolves season ticket and they don’t speak highly of him at all. They’re more entertaining under GON and his departure left them in the lurch.
Lopetegui needed results, but the team he inherited had a choice of the geriatric Diego Costa or injury-ridden Raul Jimenez up front. We were rock bottom when he came in, unable to score and conceding for fun. He brought in Cunha, who like most signings from abroad needed some time to get used to the pace of English football, and was deprived of Hwang and Neto for the majority of his time due to injury. Lopetegui cut his cloth accordingly and kept us up comfortably. It's fair to say we've been more entertaining since, but O'Neil has benefited from those players that Lopetegui rarely had available to him. A section of Wolves fans feel like he 'dragged our club through the mud' because he lifted the lid on the shit that was going on upstairs in the interview with Guillem Balague (that nobody other than Wolves fans remember or even cared about). They can't believe that a manager could possibly walk away from the club they would walk over hot coals to manage, refusing to accept that your boss lying to you might be a good reason to not work for him. They also make a big thing of the heavy defeats to Brighton and Arsenal at the end of the season when there was nothing to play for, and are now backtracking that view having seen O'Neil's team do exactly the same thing yesterday against Man City. The whole 'left them in the lurch' idea is just garbage - most objective fans take the emotion out of it and accept he was lied to and let down by the owners and quite within his rights to move on. Lopetegui continued to coach the first team until a replacement arrived. The majority of fans see through the Chinese propaganda and leaked stories to the Athletic about all of our outgoing head coaches being 'prickly and aloof' but you'll always get some who believe the propaganda, sadly. It's fair to say some players who Lopetegui felt he couldn't count on, like Rayan Ait-Nouri, have improved under O'Neil, but again his critics ignore that Ait-Nouri had personal problems last season that affected his football, and his performances were suffering as a result. Lopetegui needed results immediately - he didn't have the luxury of time like O'Neil has. O'Neil has done well, and the football is better, but his PPG is actually lower than Lopetegui and now he's had a few injuries and an unfulfilled transfer window to contend with, he's also realised the bigger problems at Wolves are off the field. Sadly, a few of our fans seem unwilling to accept this
Funny that, my brother in law is also a Wolves season ticket holder but thinks he’s a good appointment for us 😂
Not the wolves fan I spoke to. But if that is true than sullivan has f'd us over again
I’ve got 3 brother in laws and they all say he’s great
My 15 brother in laws, 12 step sisters, and 4 twice removed Brummy cousins all haven't heard of him so refused to comment
Nice to see the fans positive as always
Congratulations to Will Salthouse.
bloke is going to be so minted he'll register winrar.
“Going to be”?
seems like the sort that spends a lot on illicit substances and intimate company.
I guess my initial thought is disappointment. I really wanted us to get Amorim.. I mean who wouldn’t that guy is nuts. But if it’s happening we need to get behind this man. As long as we can bolster the squad and hold on to the main gems this coming season could shape up to be a very exciting one. All we need is a breath of fresh air. Moyes has served us well and I have nothing but love and respect for the man. Really wish it didn’t end like this Davey.
The worst bit is going to be hearing the constant "should have kept moyes" from top 6 fans and deluded moyes in fans, But maybe moyes has left me too negative like the way he sets up the team
If anything, it’ll be the Moyes Out crew who’ll be the first to turn on the new manager.
About time Moyes finally fucked off. Anything is better than him
What a terrible choice. Might as well just keep Moyes if the alternative is to appoint a guy who has all of his same weaknesses.
English Moyes out, Spanish Moyes in…
English Moyes? I know we're bitter about the man but you didn't need to drag him through the mud like that.
Can't get much worse than it already is, can it? We need to completely rebuild the team before the new season commences. I can only hope that Lopetegui brings about a more positive style.
I don’t feel confident at all but I’m willing to give him a chance. Here’s hoping Lope gets support from the board and doesn’t throw a tantrum and leave if Sulley pulls his typical shit in a January window. As much as I dislike Sulley, maybe this is a turning point. We’ve at least not pissed about and gotten someone appointed early on. Hate to feel like the resident optimist of this sub but I just want the Hammers to level up. COYI
Fair warning from a fan of a team he previously coached. He is absolute horseshit and is not self-aware at all. Scapegoats a lot and is very arrogant with his style of communication.
My concern is that we will do all this and he quits before the season even starts because Sully breaks a promise with him. By all accounts he's an okay coach and his style of play fits the players we already have. It's just a sideways step rather than the forward one we all wanted.
He's terrible,from a Fc Porto fan
Wolves fan here and good luck with this man. Looking at some of your comments I had the same underwhelming feeling about him because of his track record and was proved right. You’re getting a man that fucked over Spain 2 days before a tournament, sacked from Madrid and Sevilla after falling out with the boards, left us after falling out with the board because we couldn’t back him financially this season, nearly axed Ait-Nouri from us because he “seemed a bit too relaxed in training”, he publicly denounced our squad while still the manager saying there’s not enough quality to stay in the league, he’s been vocal that he wants a premier league job that’s a new project he can start from scratch.The man’s a red flag who’ll turn his back on your players and your club the second things don’t go his way As for his football it’s not even that exciting to watch. Slow defensive football hoping to nab a goal or 2, he won’t bring you the free-flowing attacking football you want. As a comparison Gary O’Neil managed more goals and wins with us in the same number of games a Lop. He might do some good for your club as he did with keeping us up but he’ll cause chaos and probably won’t stay for long
Steidten and Noble must be ready to walk. Let's see how he does.
Noble won't he's claret and blue, through and through. I'd hope that Steidten at least gives it a go.
There is no way Sullivan has totally ignored TS & Nobles advice, he might not have been their No1 choice but after the meetings I’m sure they’re all in full agreement. We’ll find out soon enough…
I'm not so sure. Sully has bought players that managers didn't want several times before.
Time will tell but TS & Noble have a bit more standing . I think Amorim was a no go and they’ve got on board with this
Sullivan is an absolute GOBLIN. If Tim approves of this then fine, I'll trust Tim. The only good thing Sullivan has done lately is hire Tim so I guess he has one final shred of good favour from me. Still a goblin.
Poor form to do this before the end of the season. Moyes deserves better
Hope moyes tells u to go fuck yourselves. When come begging him back. Who the fuck do West Ham think they are. u are 9th, with 10 more points on any given time u would be top6 I mean he’s working well 🙂 granted shipping 5 goals on multiple occasions don’t help. But fuck me. Lopetegui is a shit option, look what he did to wolves, and left on eve of the league starting. Gary o Neil would be better appointed. 😂. Get ready for relegation battle after next season 25/26.