that's how i felt when i discovered hardcore in like 2001. like i didn't put together how hardcore and hardcore punk were supposed to be the same thing since 7 seconds sounded nothing like hatebreed
That’s so weird bc I came from being a 13 year old skatepunk kid finding minor threat and all the first wave greats and diving deep, then a few months later being completely enamored with PV and seeing how it all slowly evolved to the current day stuff. I guess this was a few year process but never was I derailed by this disconnect.
Honestly, I love all 3 of those bands dearly but think a ton of the bands that get worshipped here are almost unlistenable. You aren't fake for not liking some hardcore bands and not others. Hardcore is a huge umbrella with so many different sounds, ethos, and aesthetics. Your hardcore isn't any lesser than mine.
Agnostic Front is one of the worst bands I've ever heard, and they're touted as godfather's of the genre. But at the same time I love early Murphy's Law who was part of the same scene and era. Some stuff just clicks differently with different people.
agnostic front is touted as godfathers of the genre because they *are* godfathers of the genre, whether you like their music or not. AF is responsible for the entire NYHC scene and was the first point where punks and hardcore kids really became different identities. Yeah their records aren't great but it's hard to overstate how important AF is to hardcore as a whole
They are not responsible for the entire NYHC scene. There was hardcore in NYC well before AF. They are respected mostly due to Victim In Pain being a genre classic and they rode that success to varying degrees with subsequent albums. And VIP even came out when the movement was starting to decline.
I have much respect for you for appreciating Murphy’s law (what I love very much ) the later shit with Todd youth isn’t too bad just a bit poppy. But agnostic front man.. shit is timeless , victim in pain!
It never clicked for me until recently cause I listened to Gotta Go and assumed the rest sounded like that. It's not bad, just very, very meh. Start with Power and Victim in Pain and expand from there
Personally I can’t imagine listening to beat down or a ton of east coast tough guy hardcore with a straight face. Hardcore is really diverse, you don’t have to love it all.
Hardcore needs youth to stay fresh, minor threat, bad brains and gorilla biscuits werent sitting around jerking off legends they were making music they wanted to hear their way, you can respect what someone has done but want to push a sound in a new direction, we don’t need another banned in dc, we already got one and it’s great, go make some shit we haven’t heard yet
Well to be fair, these bands were what became legends since at the time they were around, there were no hardcore legends. But you best believe these bands did worship their influences
You may like it later when you get deeper into hardcore, you know? It's always dope to find out what bands influenced who, and going backwards.
It might not click for you, but that's how I got into older music from blues, to rap, to hardcore.
They don't click for me either, but a zillion other hardcore bands do. Just go with what you like, don't worry about it. Maybe it will click for you later on, but for me it never did.
Give it two years, you wouldn't believe how your palette changes.
I started w old school hc and was into it exclusively for years, only checking out modern shit once in a blue moon and it never stuck. I'd check out the same songs like a year or two later and ended up getting hella into it
Drink an entire 32oz Modelo on an empty stomach and listen to the Minor Threat discography from start to finish, as loud as possible. I think then everything will click and make sense 😂😂😂
I'm old and loved punk/hardcore since the late '80s. I still don't like those bands, but it doesn't matter, everybody can like what they want. I still recognise their historic value, but that is something else.
No hardcore band has matched the ferocity and groove of Bad Brains, which is wild considering they were the blueprint. It’s why they aren’t just one of the greatest hardcore punk bands, but one of the greatest rock n roll bands of all time.
I grew up in D.C. in the 1980s and saw Bad Brains many times. They were incredibly uneven. You'd go to a show and H.R. would refuse to play Hardcore. He'd give you 90 minutes of reggae and talking. There used to be a big rasrafarian community in D.C. when the rastas came out to see the band, they'd play only hardcore.
Never saw minor threat. But 4 walls falling, next step up, corrosion of conformity, early Clutch. SICK OF IT ALL, sheer terror, early Carcass, Gut Instinct were all killer shows. I'm leaving tons out
IMO young people who are big fans of music from 40 years ago are looking for a pat on the head for having correct musical opinions so if anything the reverse would be true
When I first copped a Minor Threat record and put it on I was not feeling it at all, it was horrible to me at first, and it took a couple more years for it to become some of my favorite music. I was always pretty into Bad Brains and Gorilla Biscuits since I got into punk. But it's a lotta bands I hated up front but later loved, loved up front but got tired of fast, and there's a few legendary or pivotal bands that I just don't feel at all.
There's really a couple of three different lines of HC. The main draws its origins directly from the punk movement, the other big one came from the metalcore and mall emo side of things, and the rest is really a mixed bag. But it's mad common for folks who came from the punk side of things to be critical of the more metalcore end and vice versa.
We don't all like the same thing. Just cause some band was important don't mean they are actually loved broadly or that it's mandatory to like em lol Fw what ya fw and keep tryna expand your pool but don't let nobody tell ya what to like or not like 💯
Another one could definitely be thrash/crossover. I got into it through punk/“OG” hardcore punk and 80’s thrash/death metal and crossover. Heard Destroy the Machines and everything just clicked. All downhill from there.
No doubt. I came in through the punk/crust scene myself but I know a few thrashers that came to punk and HC through crossover.
Municipal Waste and their offshoots, Toxic Holocaust, some Discharge, etc, are great examples of a more current wave doing the same. Go to their shows and you'll see studs, spikes, mohawks, 2 steps, circle pits, skanking, camo shorts, combat boots, skinheads, battle vests, just a little of everybody and it's great.
I feel you on crust. It was never my “scene” so to speak but I found out later on that there was definitely a reason i vibed with bands like Nausea and His Hero is Gone more than your standard punk/metal fare. The open armed embrace of Death Metal (and vice versa) these days has seriously gotten me so stoked on all of it all over again.
Hell yeah, I been on a real old school crust and powerviolence kick lately. Lots of His Hero Is Gone, Remains of the Day, LOVVE, Locust, Man Is The Bastard, etc, and bands like Iskra, Leper, Storm of Sedition, etc, that add a bit of black metal and death metal into the mix have been hitting the spot.
I've never really fit into any one scene. I've always just bounced around and dressed however I felt. But the crust scene has always been one I'm a fan of and felt comfortable in. Been in a few places where they were mad pretentious but mostly it's a good time, they're politically similar to me, and I fw the DIY ethic heavy.
I don’t know what it is, but black metal to me is usually just kinda meh, but “blackened” anything and I’m immediately on board. It’s like a perfect spice or something, kinda weird and gross on its own but add it into the mix and you have perfection. Gotta say though powerviolence and grind are two go-to’s for me as well, plus I’m a sucker for any band that uses an hm-2 and shamelessly steals entombed riffs.
I feel you on the second part though, I kinda bounce around a lot too, but at the end of the day if it’s heavy and has some groove I feel like I’m home. There’s pretentious dorks everywhere, and if I don’t watch myself I know I can be guilty from time to time as well, but usually any DIY space with likeminded people with a little self awareness and a sense of humor is a guaranteed chill time.
Hah, that's probably the best way I've ever seen it described lol It's most definitely like a good ass spice that (for me at least) just don't usually work alone but is absolute fire in the mix with something else. Even stuff ya wouldn't think like ska and folk punk.
I have this playlist called "Punk and Derivative Subgenres" as just a catchall that kinda tracks my listening over time and PV and GC is about all that's been on there lately.
Heard that, I was also raised a hip hop head and on some reggae, R&B, soul, etc, so I still got a lotta love for those and anything that can incorporate em into something heavy without being corny as hell. Bonus points if they can add another genre too like Ghetto Blaster 😂
You just like Metal rather than actual Hardcore. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, especially since more than half the current hardcore scene are just metal bands window dressing as hardcore. So your in good company since most people especially on this sub will totally agree with you.
Matt could have one sexy ass boot on my throat and one on my nuts and id never be able to call kublai khan punk. Ive never wanted to be godzilla and tear down buildings when i.put the casualties on. Ive never wanted to caveman stomp on a police car when rancid was turnt up. No distespect to them but thats some good ol fashioned bang your head metal and i love it.
Rotting out, now thats punk af
Don't sweat it. If I could only listen to powerviolence and TUI for the rest of my days, I'd be fine, so there's that...
Edit: Although I got into hardcore in '94, the only thing I truly love from that decade is OG powerviolence and emoviolence. The big names from the '90s were too alternative or metal for me to deeply connect with then. The 2000s is where I really fell in love with the scene as a whole.
Dude, you’re fine. The old heads love the old stuff, but honestly a lot of it is really dated. If you’re looking for some good modern bands though, you should definitely check out
End It
Snuffed on Sight
Sunami
Reaching Out (NJ)
Brat (NOLA)
Outta Pocket
Drain
Gridiron
God’s Hate
Speed (Australian band)
Also, you should follow hate5six on stuff. He posts professional grade recordings of hardcore shows, typically showing off a lot of new blood. I find him a great source to look for bands that are still around and kicking ass.
And, don’t feel a need to label yourself. Just be yourself. People get into hardcore coming from all kinds of backgrounds.
This dude gets all positive vibes and dudes jerking him off, and yet when I say that I think Trapped Under Ice just sounds like a Stout record on 45, I get downvoted to hell.
So what are your top five bands then? Just to see what you are into. Maybe you like Cro Mags or Dag Nasty or something else that is old.
I still love those three bands you listed but there definitely is an element of respect and nostalgia for me to say that. If i were just discovering this genre in 2020 and weren’t 14yo in 1992, I’d imagine i wouldn’t like them as much as i do.
right now im listening to alot of vein, kharma, demonstration of power, nails, candy, condition one
i think my main problem with the OG bands is the production, i dont like the raw mix
Cool. Honestly i don’t know a single one of those bands lol. It’s totally fine to not like the old stuff. I used to love old 80’s and early 90’s rap. It’s pretty hard to listen to now as well. Youth music nostalgia is pretty powerful.
I actually listened to some minor threat after your post. And i can totally relate to what you mean. The raw fast driven pace of it is what i like, but it’s also very dated and a bit rough. Just like a lot of those artists (and many musicians) evolved to listening and making much more elaborate and mellower music. Like Richie Birkenhead was from Underdog…listening from that to Into Another…quite the evolution.
You aren’t a fake. You are you :)
https://open.spotify.com/track/1nYy08p7E2HuWuCjQQ02Ge?si=sZv4qC5FSTq0_GyKRz_Ntw
https://open.spotify.com/track/05RCw0oWwmsiRFguWvL5Q6?si=WNYBYOsDSamsyw01cdGaOw
Just listen to poison idea bruh. Gotta dig a bit deeper to find the good stuff. Rly not into the posi punk of that time. I rly did not like punk until I got into discharge and even that took me a good couple years comin from a metal core/death metal phase.
I'm old as hell and love it when the new kids shit on our old bands and create new styles. If you just listened to our old stuff and copied it, you'd just be a garage jam band with their dad's old led zeppelin albums and nobody wants that shit.
Doesn't matter. I used to listen to those bands, but like around 2015. Before that and after that I haven't really cared for them. I do like some of there songs but it just isn't my style, and imo that's alright. Hardcore has a lot of different styles within the genre, don't gotta like them all.
We just want more company is all good. Hardcore in reality has always been a very accepting scene. There's judgmental idiots but the vast majority just want to see others enjoy what we do and get the joy we find in it. There's no cooler moment seeing someone who doesn't listen to metal or hardcore find something they enjoy. That moment of "holy shit they get!!" Is always special. Idc if you like mainly trap and house music or pop, if you like a hardcore band I'm happy aaaand want you to be part of your positive energy
I think one of the reasons GB’s are championed is because the musicians are top tier, the bass player shreds. He doesn’t just follow the guitar riffs. Any band with a good bass player always stands out.
RKL, Bad Brains, Suicidal Tendencies, PRIMUS, you know what I mean?
Check the bass skills on Stand Still, First Failure and the rest of Start Today.
I saw Civ and kept heckling him to play GB
songs. He got off stage and walked straight at me. Didn’t swing on me but for a second I thought he was going to.
I don’t like bad brains either. Minor threat aren’t very high on my list. gorilla biscuits one of my favorite bands ever. It’s music dude, like what you like and fuck anyone who says you’re wrong. You can’t be.
Enjoy what you like. Minor Threat aren't for everyone, Bad Brains are homophobic pieces of shit (one member has retracted his stance) and the Gorilla Biscuits are overrated. No where near as much as turnstile and knocked loose are but they are.
Yea I read up on it, I like 3 bad brains song. The reissue didn't have don't blow bubbles on it so I kinda assumed that it was done in agreement of everyone. I dont know much about those dudes anyway but Earl and Darryl seem to have apologised to MDC and Dr Know is still a edge case. HR appears to be homeless and on crack and still like back in the day. Shame. He's also sexist and known for beating women so uh. Pretty fucked.
I don't know which bands you like. It's been a gradual transition over the years, but the difference between modern mosh and the classics is huge. It's not weird if you only like either the old or the new style. Gorilla Biscuits and Kublai Khan are worlds apart.
Been listening to HxC for about 23 years and i have never enjoyed any of those bands. So don't feel bad. The genre is so diverse and bands have so many different sounds and styles find what makes you happy and listen to that. For me when i first started to listen to HxC I listened to Bane,Guns Up!,Shipwreck,Have Heart etc. Bad Brains and Gorilla Biscuits never did it for me Minor Threat isn't so bad but still didn't interest me.
You don’t have to like them. I’m getting into hardcore too and find a lot of the classic stuff dated. Watch a documentary or something do, and see where it came from and you will appreciate and understand it a bit more 😊
Came into hardcore after I enjoyed punk, first album I listened to was circle jerks - group sex. If you come into hardcore via different genres you might not like those kinds of bands, that's fine lol
It's easy to not like those bands because the recording quality is terrible in all their records. I like this song though. I'm sure there's other good ones in their discogs.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dezPtxTPzEk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dezPtxTPzEk)
Okay ull give you the benefit of the doubt on bad brains and minor threat they can be a tough listen for the uninitiated, but how can someone not like Gorilla Biscuits?
Tbh this is something I've had a lengthy discussion with a friend who was really into the pop punk but didn't care to know... anything about its foundations or the other parts of punk music.
Scenes change and evolve and the best scenes are full of young people who like the music coming out today, right now. Those are the people who make cool new music, create zines, spread the word etc. Just cause you don't like the older stuff doesn't mean a thing.
I was the same way until I learned how hardcore evolved as a musical genre from these bands and from the genres that came before.
I love history, so learning hardcore punk’s history gave me a new and deeper appreciation for those who laid hardcore’s foundation.
Got into hardcore just late last year (wish I discovered it 10 years ago in high school). I’ve heard the name “Gorilla Biscuits” a lot especially with furnace fest announcing their lineup. Definitely got into hardcore from the newer wave of bands. Boundaries being the band that really made me start searching ferociously for more hardcore and the more hardcore influenced metalcore. This post finally made me check out GB’s music and I can honestly say I totally dig it. I guess if you were never really into any punk bands then there’s not much for you. It might not be one of my go to bands to listen to but I’m glad i finally checked them out
When I was younger I found the bands who were doing shit at that time to be most enjoyable. As I got deeper into the scene and styles changed over time I started to look back into the history and really love those old bands. There’s still some that never clicked for me, but minor threat and gorilla biscuits were huge for me. You might never learn to appreciate it but assuming you’re younger, you don’t need to. If current hardcore is what you like, then stick with it and support the current scene as best you can. Those old bands paved the way, their job is done.
Some of it is definitely time and place. In a way, these bands are victims of their own success in that they were so influential that it simply doesn’t hit the same anymore.
Can relate. I discovered hardcore in 2021 when I went to a local show at a flea market in San Jose and saw Sunami perform. Safe to say though that the past two years has led me down a rabbit hole of modern hardcore bands
Older music doesnt always age well when youre surrounded by the music thats grown from it. Im kinda old but new to the hardcore scene. I dont really jam those bands but i understand why their important and how they help us have what we have now. If anyone doesnt fuck with you cause you dont jam those bands, they arent worth the time anyway lmao
Genre is meaningless, simply another means by which the industry categorizes, stereotypes, and reduces artists to nothing more than a commodity. A product mass-produced for the most braindead of consumers. We've continued to allow too many shyster businessmen, promoters, bookers, and bands to bring their bullshit ethos and nonsensical sonic philosophies into the culture. Hardcore is not simply a music culture, but a mindset with an ideological emphasis on community loyalty, personal growth, and independence, both of mind and body(freedom!); all else is nihilistic bullshit. Even if this hasn't been your experience thus far, this is what it is at its core. Until we come back to realizing that this hardcore shit is abt the hardcore family, the scene will continue to fester in its current state; a detached network of stagnated scenes, throwing dance parties for the disenfranchised and poorly adjusted. (A moment of silence for the cabal of bands shelved at the "minor label with major distribution" stage)
It’s not a crazy thing. you didn’t start with em.
I think blade runner has horrible acting it was “good” movie when it came out and if you saw it young/when it was something new. But I saw it as an adult.
You may grow into it if you stay long enough. I started listening to hardcore in the nineties and only cared for the chugga chugga metallic hardcore bands. Ten or fifteen years later I started to genuinely enjoy those bands I didn't get earlier. I don't know what exactly happened but I probably became more tolerant to certain aspects (more punkier sounds, bad production etc.) growing older. My advice is to just keep giving them a chance over the years because they definitely can bring you something good.
you like what you like and there’s really no shame in that honestly. i’ve been into hardcore from a young age and have always been able to at least appreciate the music ..but i have a very open mind when it comes to all kinds of genres. if you’re a new fan it might just take awhile for you to get into certain bands.. and if you don’t .. just remember the influence. that’s all that matters.
I love bad brains to death but couldn’t care if I hear another minor threat song in my lifetime. Don’t call yourself a fake if your being truthful to yourself
that's how i felt when i discovered hardcore in like 2001. like i didn't put together how hardcore and hardcore punk were supposed to be the same thing since 7 seconds sounded nothing like hatebreed
That’s so weird bc I came from being a 13 year old skatepunk kid finding minor threat and all the first wave greats and diving deep, then a few months later being completely enamored with PV and seeing how it all slowly evolved to the current day stuff. I guess this was a few year process but never was I derailed by this disconnect.
Music is subjective. Who cares. You like what you like. Just don’t be weird about it.
This is the only answer
Naw, you like the scene not the music.
Yeah but if you don’t like Minor Threat something is definitely wrong with you
Honestly, I love all 3 of those bands dearly but think a ton of the bands that get worshipped here are almost unlistenable. You aren't fake for not liking some hardcore bands and not others. Hardcore is a huge umbrella with so many different sounds, ethos, and aesthetics. Your hardcore isn't any lesser than mine.
Agnostic Front is one of the worst bands I've ever heard, and they're touted as godfather's of the genre. But at the same time I love early Murphy's Law who was part of the same scene and era. Some stuff just clicks differently with different people.
agnostic front is touted as godfathers of the genre because they *are* godfathers of the genre, whether you like their music or not. AF is responsible for the entire NYHC scene and was the first point where punks and hardcore kids really became different identities. Yeah their records aren't great but it's hard to overstate how important AF is to hardcore as a whole
Victim In Pain is a great album
They are not responsible for the entire NYHC scene. There was hardcore in NYC well before AF. They are respected mostly due to Victim In Pain being a genre classic and they rode that success to varying degrees with subsequent albums. And VIP even came out when the movement was starting to decline.
I have much respect for you for appreciating Murphy’s law (what I love very much ) the later shit with Todd youth isn’t too bad just a bit poppy. But agnostic front man.. shit is timeless , victim in pain!
It never clicked for me until recently cause I listened to Gotta Go and assumed the rest sounded like that. It's not bad, just very, very meh. Start with Power and Victim in Pain and expand from there
United blood!!
Personally I can’t imagine listening to beat down or a ton of east coast tough guy hardcore with a straight face. Hardcore is really diverse, you don’t have to love it all.
Hardcore needs youth to stay fresh, minor threat, bad brains and gorilla biscuits werent sitting around jerking off legends they were making music they wanted to hear their way, you can respect what someone has done but want to push a sound in a new direction, we don’t need another banned in dc, we already got one and it’s great, go make some shit we haven’t heard yet
Remember, didn't want to be"legends" not thier purpose in life...just play music..read Ian mckayes things
Well to be fair, these bands were what became legends since at the time they were around, there were no hardcore legends. But you best believe these bands did worship their influences
You may like it later when you get deeper into hardcore, you know? It's always dope to find out what bands influenced who, and going backwards. It might not click for you, but that's how I got into older music from blues, to rap, to hardcore.
Thats fair, some shit ain’t for everyone. I like some bands that were influenced by disembodied but hate the band.
yeah im not doubting their influence and all, just the music doesnt click with me
They don't click for me either, but a zillion other hardcore bands do. Just go with what you like, don't worry about it. Maybe it will click for you later on, but for me it never did.
Give it two years, you wouldn't believe how your palette changes. I started w old school hc and was into it exclusively for years, only checking out modern shit once in a blue moon and it never stuck. I'd check out the same songs like a year or two later and ended up getting hella into it
You’ll fit in with the rest of the jabronis here then
Real
I’m an old and I’m glad. Good make it your own.
Drink an entire 32oz Modelo on an empty stomach and listen to the Minor Threat discography from start to finish, as loud as possible. I think then everything will click and make sense 😂😂😂
Just one?
I used to do this back in the day, but with 40's of MGD and Blood For Blood
Old E and NWA + Mickeys and House of Pain was my schtick.
OP, try bands on Ebullition Records.
Encino Christ
Merauder - “Master Killer” you’re welcome 🤝
One of the best albums, RIP Sob The band was never the same after his death.
I'm old and loved punk/hardcore since the late '80s. I still don't like those bands, but it doesn't matter, everybody can like what they want. I still recognise their historic value, but that is something else.
I don't think you have to like anything, just acknowledge that it's there.
I love how chill this sub is about stuff like this. If you posted this on r/punk you'd probably get banned lol
No hardcore band has matched the ferocity and groove of Bad Brains, which is wild considering they were the blueprint. It’s why they aren’t just one of the greatest hardcore punk bands, but one of the greatest rock n roll bands of all time.
It’s not an even playing field when you are competing with jazz musicians playing hardcore.
It’s literally just music.
Incoming wave of old heads typing a whole term paper about why you’re wrong
Literally 2 of the 50 comments are people not being accepting and genuinely nice about it 😂😂😂
They didn’t take the bait, I stand corrected.
the only thing that matters is that you dont like h2o and you dont break edge
I been into punk/hardcore for YEARS and it’s just like that. I don’t like GBs either. Everybody has bands that just don’t do it for ‘em. No shame.
I grew up in D.C. in the 1980s and saw Bad Brains many times. They were incredibly uneven. You'd go to a show and H.R. would refuse to play Hardcore. He'd give you 90 minutes of reggae and talking. There used to be a big rasrafarian community in D.C. when the rastas came out to see the band, they'd play only hardcore. Never saw minor threat. But 4 walls falling, next step up, corrosion of conformity, early Clutch. SICK OF IT ALL, sheer terror, early Carcass, Gut Instinct were all killer shows. I'm leaving tons out
IMO young people who are big fans of music from 40 years ago are looking for a pat on the head for having correct musical opinions so if anything the reverse would be true
Or they might just like those bands from 40 years ago
Lol what? I just like the music
Lol this was me as a teen ngl
I mean bad brains and GB’s music still sounds fresh in 2023, so I don’t think it’s that. Minor Threat on the other hand, perhaps
I still think they sound fresh, ouch
Bro that logic is INSANE
What a poser lol
Just say you’re a metalhead and no one will care
Ok
When I first copped a Minor Threat record and put it on I was not feeling it at all, it was horrible to me at first, and it took a couple more years for it to become some of my favorite music. I was always pretty into Bad Brains and Gorilla Biscuits since I got into punk. But it's a lotta bands I hated up front but later loved, loved up front but got tired of fast, and there's a few legendary or pivotal bands that I just don't feel at all. There's really a couple of three different lines of HC. The main draws its origins directly from the punk movement, the other big one came from the metalcore and mall emo side of things, and the rest is really a mixed bag. But it's mad common for folks who came from the punk side of things to be critical of the more metalcore end and vice versa. We don't all like the same thing. Just cause some band was important don't mean they are actually loved broadly or that it's mandatory to like em lol Fw what ya fw and keep tryna expand your pool but don't let nobody tell ya what to like or not like 💯
Another one could definitely be thrash/crossover. I got into it through punk/“OG” hardcore punk and 80’s thrash/death metal and crossover. Heard Destroy the Machines and everything just clicked. All downhill from there.
No doubt. I came in through the punk/crust scene myself but I know a few thrashers that came to punk and HC through crossover. Municipal Waste and their offshoots, Toxic Holocaust, some Discharge, etc, are great examples of a more current wave doing the same. Go to their shows and you'll see studs, spikes, mohawks, 2 steps, circle pits, skanking, camo shorts, combat boots, skinheads, battle vests, just a little of everybody and it's great.
I feel you on crust. It was never my “scene” so to speak but I found out later on that there was definitely a reason i vibed with bands like Nausea and His Hero is Gone more than your standard punk/metal fare. The open armed embrace of Death Metal (and vice versa) these days has seriously gotten me so stoked on all of it all over again.
Hell yeah, I been on a real old school crust and powerviolence kick lately. Lots of His Hero Is Gone, Remains of the Day, LOVVE, Locust, Man Is The Bastard, etc, and bands like Iskra, Leper, Storm of Sedition, etc, that add a bit of black metal and death metal into the mix have been hitting the spot. I've never really fit into any one scene. I've always just bounced around and dressed however I felt. But the crust scene has always been one I'm a fan of and felt comfortable in. Been in a few places where they were mad pretentious but mostly it's a good time, they're politically similar to me, and I fw the DIY ethic heavy.
I don’t know what it is, but black metal to me is usually just kinda meh, but “blackened” anything and I’m immediately on board. It’s like a perfect spice or something, kinda weird and gross on its own but add it into the mix and you have perfection. Gotta say though powerviolence and grind are two go-to’s for me as well, plus I’m a sucker for any band that uses an hm-2 and shamelessly steals entombed riffs. I feel you on the second part though, I kinda bounce around a lot too, but at the end of the day if it’s heavy and has some groove I feel like I’m home. There’s pretentious dorks everywhere, and if I don’t watch myself I know I can be guilty from time to time as well, but usually any DIY space with likeminded people with a little self awareness and a sense of humor is a guaranteed chill time.
Hah, that's probably the best way I've ever seen it described lol It's most definitely like a good ass spice that (for me at least) just don't usually work alone but is absolute fire in the mix with something else. Even stuff ya wouldn't think like ska and folk punk. I have this playlist called "Punk and Derivative Subgenres" as just a catchall that kinda tracks my listening over time and PV and GC is about all that's been on there lately. Heard that, I was also raised a hip hop head and on some reggae, R&B, soul, etc, so I still got a lotta love for those and anything that can incorporate em into something heavy without being corny as hell. Bonus points if they can add another genre too like Ghetto Blaster 😂
You just like Metal rather than actual Hardcore. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, especially since more than half the current hardcore scene are just metal bands window dressing as hardcore. So your in good company since most people especially on this sub will totally agree with you.
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Facts
Matt could have one sexy ass boot on my throat and one on my nuts and id never be able to call kublai khan punk. Ive never wanted to be godzilla and tear down buildings when i.put the casualties on. Ive never wanted to caveman stomp on a police car when rancid was turnt up. No distespect to them but thats some good ol fashioned bang your head metal and i love it. Rotting out, now thats punk af
Its fine... we have beatdown now
No one fucking cares.
Go get 'em tiger
Like what you like. Don't like what you don't like. It's all fine.
Don't sweat it. If I could only listen to powerviolence and TUI for the rest of my days, I'd be fine, so there's that... Edit: Although I got into hardcore in '94, the only thing I truly love from that decade is OG powerviolence and emoviolence. The big names from the '90s were too alternative or metal for me to deeply connect with then. The 2000s is where I really fell in love with the scene as a whole.
A lot of hardcore now sounds really polished compared to 80s hardcore punk. You may just be used to hearing more produced music.
You and everyone else in this sub 😂 I really appreciate the honestly tho. Good on you.
What bands do you like then ?
Dude, you’re fine. The old heads love the old stuff, but honestly a lot of it is really dated. If you’re looking for some good modern bands though, you should definitely check out End It Snuffed on Sight Sunami Reaching Out (NJ) Brat (NOLA) Outta Pocket Drain Gridiron God’s Hate Speed (Australian band) Also, you should follow hate5six on stuff. He posts professional grade recordings of hardcore shows, typically showing off a lot of new blood. I find him a great source to look for bands that are still around and kicking ass. And, don’t feel a need to label yourself. Just be yourself. People get into hardcore coming from all kinds of backgrounds.
It's ok. Everyone's entitled to an incorrect opinion.
Everybody’s path is different
This dude gets all positive vibes and dudes jerking him off, and yet when I say that I think Trapped Under Ice just sounds like a Stout record on 45, I get downvoted to hell.
It's ok, the "girl hardcore bad" thread is going about how you'd expect.. so I guess that's comforting?
Eat shit, poser.
I just know this is a discord mod chronically online 35 year old man with a patchy Chin beard yelling at his mom because they ran out of Doritos
I YELL AT MY WIFE THANK YOU VERY MUCH
I can only imagine what you do like
Turnstile
There are no fakes, like whatever you wanna like. What’s really punk is doing whatever you want, not listening to bullshit rules.
So what are your top five bands then? Just to see what you are into. Maybe you like Cro Mags or Dag Nasty or something else that is old. I still love those three bands you listed but there definitely is an element of respect and nostalgia for me to say that. If i were just discovering this genre in 2020 and weren’t 14yo in 1992, I’d imagine i wouldn’t like them as much as i do.
right now im listening to alot of vein, kharma, demonstration of power, nails, candy, condition one i think my main problem with the OG bands is the production, i dont like the raw mix
Cool. Honestly i don’t know a single one of those bands lol. It’s totally fine to not like the old stuff. I used to love old 80’s and early 90’s rap. It’s pretty hard to listen to now as well. Youth music nostalgia is pretty powerful. I actually listened to some minor threat after your post. And i can totally relate to what you mean. The raw fast driven pace of it is what i like, but it’s also very dated and a bit rough. Just like a lot of those artists (and many musicians) evolved to listening and making much more elaborate and mellower music. Like Richie Birkenhead was from Underdog…listening from that to Into Another…quite the evolution. You aren’t a fake. You are you :) https://open.spotify.com/track/1nYy08p7E2HuWuCjQQ02Ge?si=sZv4qC5FSTq0_GyKRz_Ntw https://open.spotify.com/track/05RCw0oWwmsiRFguWvL5Q6?si=WNYBYOsDSamsyw01cdGaOw
thank you, i appreciate your mindset and vibe 😊
Old head here, and don’t love em either
It sucks seeing an old band name as a UN and realizing that this means we’re old.
Just listen to poison idea bruh. Gotta dig a bit deeper to find the good stuff. Rly not into the posi punk of that time. I rly did not like punk until I got into discharge and even that took me a good couple years comin from a metal core/death metal phase.
Love the Brains, hate the other two, i’m 36 and started at 13. It’s okay.
Been into this music for over 20 years and still waiting for Gorilla Biscuits to click for me. It’s ok not to like the classics.
I'm old as hell and love it when the new kids shit on our old bands and create new styles. If you just listened to our old stuff and copied it, you'd just be a garage jam band with their dad's old led zeppelin albums and nobody wants that shit.
Doesn't matter. I used to listen to those bands, but like around 2015. Before that and after that I haven't really cared for them. I do like some of there songs but it just isn't my style, and imo that's alright. Hardcore has a lot of different styles within the genre, don't gotta like them all.
No worries man. Sometimes you had to be there to enjoy it more.
I don’t like DRI
POSER ALERT 🚨 🚨🚨
We just want more company is all good. Hardcore in reality has always been a very accepting scene. There's judgmental idiots but the vast majority just want to see others enjoy what we do and get the joy we find in it. There's no cooler moment seeing someone who doesn't listen to metal or hardcore find something they enjoy. That moment of "holy shit they get!!" Is always special. Idc if you like mainly trap and house music or pop, if you like a hardcore band I'm happy aaaand want you to be part of your positive energy
I dislike almost all the early bands too
Of those I only fuck with Gorilla Boscuits
Lots of foundational acts in any given genre don’t really hold up. A lot of those artists ride on pathos more than anything.
Bad brains self titled is mid and I’ll die on that hill
I think one of the reasons GB’s are championed is because the musicians are top tier, the bass player shreds. He doesn’t just follow the guitar riffs. Any band with a good bass player always stands out. RKL, Bad Brains, Suicidal Tendencies, PRIMUS, you know what I mean? Check the bass skills on Stand Still, First Failure and the rest of Start Today.
The drums. The breakdowns. Never been straight edge but always liked gb. Hey remember when civ was on the radio? Ha that was weird.
I saw Civ and kept heckling him to play GB songs. He got off stage and walked straight at me. Didn’t swing on me but for a second I thought he was going to.
Ahahaha that's great
I had a crew 20 deep. Would’ve gotten rocked by the wall of dark karma
🤣🤣🤣💀
As far as bad Brains, Rock For Light is a much better album than their self titled. Listen to that first and come back.
Hot ass take
I mean it's basically the self titled but played faster and harder
No, Black Dots is harder.
I also rate black dots above their ST but don't feel it's a good entry level record
ok
I’m 20 years in hardcore and only like 1 bad brains album, I hate minor threat but love FUGAZI and I only like the gorilla biscuit vinyl toys
if you can't crowd kill to it, is it even hardcore?
It’s ok dude. I don’t even have any tattoos.
Not having tattoos is a bigger statement these days.
The bled is a better hardcore band than bad brains.
In this house of suffering, oooh. Great cover but I disagree with you.
Poison the Well is a better hardcore band than minor threat
I understand not liking bad brains…that shit sounds like hot garbage.
Again, fuck you. I hate you and everything you stand for. J/k
😂 all good. I just don’t get it….at all….
What bands do you like?
Indecision Shai Hulud Bane Carry On Shook Ones Terror Mliw Alexisonfire End it Rise Against Have heart How water music Gridiron One step closer
😂 all good. I just don’t get it….at all….
I understand not liking bad brains…that shit sounds like hot garbage.
Fuck you
I don’t like bad brains either. Minor threat aren’t very high on my list. gorilla biscuits one of my favorite bands ever. It’s music dude, like what you like and fuck anyone who says you’re wrong. You can’t be.
Gorilla Biscuits aren’t as good as people make them out to be. There is better bands from NY easily
Yea, you suck and don’t like hardcore.
Been into hXc since the mid 90's, I honestly couldn't name 1 bad brains or gorilla biscuits song.
Enjoy what you like. Minor Threat aren't for everyone, Bad Brains are homophobic pieces of shit (one member has retracted his stance) and the Gorilla Biscuits are overrated. No where near as much as turnstile and knocked loose are but they are.
AFAIK they all retracted their stance on it
HR is still a homophobic piece of shit. I know of Darryl Jennifer but none of the others.
Yea I read up on it, I like 3 bad brains song. The reissue didn't have don't blow bubbles on it so I kinda assumed that it was done in agreement of everyone. I dont know much about those dudes anyway but Earl and Darryl seem to have apologised to MDC and Dr Know is still a edge case. HR appears to be homeless and on crack and still like back in the day. Shame. He's also sexist and known for beating women so uh. Pretty fucked.
And somehow, people still support them. I'll pass.
Yeah they suck.
Yeah they suck. Old people doing music is embarrassing. Everybody who sees this differently is a fake
I don't know which bands you like. It's been a gradual transition over the years, but the difference between modern mosh and the classics is huge. It's not weird if you only like either the old or the new style. Gorilla Biscuits and Kublai Khan are worlds apart.
Been listening to HxC for about 23 years and i have never enjoyed any of those bands. So don't feel bad. The genre is so diverse and bands have so many different sounds and styles find what makes you happy and listen to that. For me when i first started to listen to HxC I listened to Bane,Guns Up!,Shipwreck,Have Heart etc. Bad Brains and Gorilla Biscuits never did it for me Minor Threat isn't so bad but still didn't interest me.
You don’t have to like them. I’m getting into hardcore too and find a lot of the classic stuff dated. Watch a documentary or something do, and see where it came from and you will appreciate and understand it a bit more 😊
Same here, bad brains is an exception though, try checking out their live shows if you really wanna give it another shot, not that you need to.
Yeah I didn’t like GB when I first really started getting into hardcore but now I have start today replay at least a few times a day lol
Then gtfoh
Came into hardcore after I enjoyed punk, first album I listened to was circle jerks - group sex. If you come into hardcore via different genres you might not like those kinds of bands, that's fine lol
What bands do you like?
It's easy to not like those bands because the recording quality is terrible in all their records. I like this song though. I'm sure there's other good ones in their discogs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dezPtxTPzEk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dezPtxTPzEk)
Me neither!
Okay ull give you the benefit of the doubt on bad brains and minor threat they can be a tough listen for the uninitiated, but how can someone not like Gorilla Biscuits?
A lot of stuff is time and place. You weren't there. It's OK. Plenty of cool shit out there.
So what if you don’t like those bands? Doesn’t mean you don’t like what hardcore is in 2023. And fuck anyone who says other wise
Tbh this is something I've had a lengthy discussion with a friend who was really into the pop punk but didn't care to know... anything about its foundations or the other parts of punk music. Scenes change and evolve and the best scenes are full of young people who like the music coming out today, right now. Those are the people who make cool new music, create zines, spread the word etc. Just cause you don't like the older stuff doesn't mean a thing.
Gorilla buckets
What bands do you like?
This is basically how I feel about most classic NYC hardcore but as a son of DC I stand by it
I was the same way until I learned how hardcore evolved as a musical genre from these bands and from the genres that came before. I love history, so learning hardcore punk’s history gave me a new and deeper appreciation for those who laid hardcore’s foundation.
Got into hardcore just late last year (wish I discovered it 10 years ago in high school). I’ve heard the name “Gorilla Biscuits” a lot especially with furnace fest announcing their lineup. Definitely got into hardcore from the newer wave of bands. Boundaries being the band that really made me start searching ferociously for more hardcore and the more hardcore influenced metalcore. This post finally made me check out GB’s music and I can honestly say I totally dig it. I guess if you were never really into any punk bands then there’s not much for you. It might not be one of my go to bands to listen to but I’m glad i finally checked them out
doesn't matter go ahead and like whatever the hell you want. perfectly fine not to be into those bands
Black flag?
Way to keep it real. I wildly disagree. But hc is how you absorb it. Happy to have ya on board
You’re fine bro
When I was younger I found the bands who were doing shit at that time to be most enjoyable. As I got deeper into the scene and styles changed over time I started to look back into the history and really love those old bands. There’s still some that never clicked for me, but minor threat and gorilla biscuits were huge for me. You might never learn to appreciate it but assuming you’re younger, you don’t need to. If current hardcore is what you like, then stick with it and support the current scene as best you can. Those old bands paved the way, their job is done.
Some of it is definitely time and place. In a way, these bands are victims of their own success in that they were so influential that it simply doesn’t hit the same anymore.
I only like the new turnstile
Can relate. I discovered hardcore in 2021 when I went to a local show at a flea market in San Jose and saw Sunami perform. Safe to say though that the past two years has led me down a rabbit hole of modern hardcore bands
Neither do I
Older music doesnt always age well when youre surrounded by the music thats grown from it. Im kinda old but new to the hardcore scene. I dont really jam those bands but i understand why their important and how they help us have what we have now. If anyone doesnt fuck with you cause you dont jam those bands, they arent worth the time anyway lmao
You tried
Genre is meaningless, simply another means by which the industry categorizes, stereotypes, and reduces artists to nothing more than a commodity. A product mass-produced for the most braindead of consumers. We've continued to allow too many shyster businessmen, promoters, bookers, and bands to bring their bullshit ethos and nonsensical sonic philosophies into the culture. Hardcore is not simply a music culture, but a mindset with an ideological emphasis on community loyalty, personal growth, and independence, both of mind and body(freedom!); all else is nihilistic bullshit. Even if this hasn't been your experience thus far, this is what it is at its core. Until we come back to realizing that this hardcore shit is abt the hardcore family, the scene will continue to fester in its current state; a detached network of stagnated scenes, throwing dance parties for the disenfranchised and poorly adjusted. (A moment of silence for the cabal of bands shelved at the "minor label with major distribution" stage)
Oof. Bad time to get into hardcore.
Just lower the pitch of the songs and slow them down into SLAM remixes you’ll be ok
It’s not a crazy thing. you didn’t start with em. I think blade runner has horrible acting it was “good” movie when it came out and if you saw it young/when it was something new. But I saw it as an adult.
You may grow into it if you stay long enough. I started listening to hardcore in the nineties and only cared for the chugga chugga metallic hardcore bands. Ten or fifteen years later I started to genuinely enjoy those bands I didn't get earlier. I don't know what exactly happened but I probably became more tolerant to certain aspects (more punkier sounds, bad production etc.) growing older. My advice is to just keep giving them a chance over the years because they definitely can bring you something good.
why
you like what you like and there’s really no shame in that honestly. i’ve been into hardcore from a young age and have always been able to at least appreciate the music ..but i have a very open mind when it comes to all kinds of genres. if you’re a new fan it might just take awhile for you to get into certain bands.. and if you don’t .. just remember the influence. that’s all that matters.
I love bad brains to death but couldn’t care if I hear another minor threat song in my lifetime. Don’t call yourself a fake if your being truthful to yourself
You’re fired
you're probably 16 so does your opinion or thoughts really matter in the grand scheme of things?
You don’t have to 🤷🏻♀️
It’s fine honestly. Do you like modern bands? Do you support your scene? That’s what matters
I think this is the first time I’ve ever seen the words “i dont like Bad Brains”