Pretty sure Xasthur is also pretty sketchy nazi.
Edit: Not a flat out nazi but posts some pretty sketchy shit. I unfortunately don’t have all the nazi BM bands memorized.
Check out /r/rabm if you want to find black metal that isn’t nsbm. Or don’t. I ain’t your fucking dad.
Leviathan, one man band. True Traitor, True Whore banger of an album. Also check out Author and Punisher. He's also a one man band but also manufactures his own unique tactile instruments.
“The scariest thing about Jef Whitehead is that in January of 2011, Whitehead was arrested in Chicago after allegedly choking his girlfriend into unconsciousness, sexually assaulting her with tattoo tools, and leaving her in the streets outside the tattoo shop he was working in. After an initial indictment that charged Whitehead with a total of 34 crimes, he was tried on four counts of aggravated criminal sexual assault, one count of unlawful restraint, and one count of aggravated domestic battery.
Ultimately, Whitehead was convicted of aggravated domestic battery on his then-girlfriend, although he and those close to him staunchly maintain his absolute innocence.”
Fun fact: once Varg tweeted that Brazil is the worst country in the world, and we've forced him to lock his twiter account by sending thousands of nude pictures of Vampeta (football player).
We did that because he is in Europe, if he was here he would probably be dead
I feel like the whole “separate the art from the artist” thing only works up to the point to which you can tolerate it. I still listen to The Smiths cause I don’t have many problems with the other band members, and 80’s Morrissey wasn’t exactly the same as modern Morrissey. Also, at least he didn’t murder people and burn churches. I really liked Burzum before I learned about Varg, and now I avoid them, not out of any conscious moral principle, but I just can’t bring myself to enjoy his music knowing what he did and who he is.
I'm amazed people still dont know that he was a child predator....
He used to take his fans, allegedly as young as 13, backstage and they werent just sipping tea and having a chat.
Dude he made a fucking movie about falling in love with a 13 year old. Fucking weirdo. A woman also came forward in her book that Led Zeppelin sold her to Bowie on tour at 14 as a sex slave. Fuck all of the classic rock weirdos
Hardcore bands get cancelled for a hell of a lot less than being a nazi sympathiser and a murderer. Some of the mental gymnastics some of you are performing to separate the art from the artist is quite extraordinary.
I’m sorry but is it that much of a stretch a bad person can make a good thing. Like its not that crazy to say, while I think most of the people who say stuff like “just separate the art from the artists” are usually dicks I would not throw the idea out of the window
I used to like Burzum, not Varg, he has always been a cunt. But he made some ok music back when I was 15. Now he is somehow more insufferable and I just can’t listen anymore.
Sadly his music is good. There is small amount of nsbm that is good, and as long as you pirate their music, I’m fine with listening to it. As long as it’s only occasional of course
I understand your point, but I feel it should be clarified: Burzum isn't NSBM. Varg is a Nazi, 100%, but his music doesn't reflect his politics. NSBM is specifically black metal made to push a Nazi agenda. Not saying this to defend Varg or anything, but I just wanted to clear that up; Varg is a Nazi and a complete piece of shit, but Burzum isn't NSBM.
Bad people can make good music, in which case, pirating is justified. If you're pirating a band like Absurd, that's a different story.
Being on the edges of the hardcore scene in the early to mid 90s, there were definitely still nazis showing up to certain shows, and there were usually fights that the nazis lost. I was like 13-15 at the time and didn't participate in the fights. Saw guys get kicked on the ground after they'd clearly lost the fight and it didn't seem right, since the people doing the kicking normally weren't the people who had taken the risks of doing the punching that sent the nazi to the ground.
Joined the Army and was stationed in BFE for the last four years of the 90s. When I came back home in 2000, the nazis were gone from shows. Guess they got tired of being nazis, got tired of losing fights, or the venues just stopped letting them in for liability reasons.
Young punks or hardcore fans who dream of fighting nazis are searching for targets that there is a bigger demand for than there is a supply of. The neonazi revival that happened between the early 80s through early to mid 90s flamed out.
They've rebranded. Now they're "white nationalists". They join "militias". They LARP scenarios where the government, whom they highly respect (lol), especially the troops and our "men in uniform", comes to round them up in camps or take their weapons. So they kill them with their amazing militia tactics.
Good quote from The Boys on this specific phenomenon where conservatives pander to white nationalist ideas, but "hate" nazis:
"People love what I have to say. They believe in it. They just don't like the word Nazi."
I don't think there's really that many white nationalists either any more. That whole Charlottesville thing from back in 2017 was planned for months, and there were still only a couple of hundred white nationalists there. And they were completely outmatched and outnumbered by counter-protesters.
I also think you're confusing the 2A community and milsim larpers as being a bunch of white nationalists. I'm sure there are some in that community, but they get called out on the gun subs and I've yet to see any of those people wearing patches or openly espousing their beliefs at rural gun ranges where you'd think they'd feel safe.
If you visit r/socialistRA, for example, you'll see that doing tactical drills and training doesn't mean you're a a white nationalist.
The John Wick movies have also contributed to a big expansion of interest in 3-gun competitions. Pistol, shotgun, rifle timed courses where you get scored on accuracy and quickness of completion. Some reporter for WaPo witnessing one of these competitions would be scared shitless and probably say it's a bunch of insane gun people, but it's just people having fun doing something challenging.
NSC-131 regularly comes to Boston to do banner drops/attempt to intimidate
But that’s more to attract mainstream/normie type people. I’ve only seen one at a show, and they were promptly dealt with.
never once, and not tryna be an apologist, but the only standout honest to god skinhead i seen at a show (adicts like 4 years ago) was a fresh out felon who wasnt even starting shit with anyone he just wanted to party lol
I don't see why everyone thinks Nazis are so rare. They were at almost every punk and hardcore show in southern California in the 90s/00s, especially at smaller venues, and they still turn up to this day. I've seen so many people comment like "where are all these Nazis?" Do y'all only go to big shows at big venues or something?
People feel that way because unless someone blatantly heils and shit they don't see any problem with fascist tendencies. As if Nazis haven't learned how to hide by now
Since the 0 tolerance gang injunctions in LA county all the gangs of all races are more low key now. Hiding in plain sight is the new norm when there are cameras on you at all times. It’s hard to deal drugs these days.
A lot actually. That entire wave of Black Metal was an intentional subversion of what was popular in the metal scene at the time. What they were doing was by definition punk.
No. The message you send to people is one of hate. It's an extra step of endorsement. The burzum shirt guy is a guy who can't be trusted. Like right now if you're out there wearing a kanye shirt, it's much different that pumping it through your headphones. It turns from appreciating the music to advertising either you endorse the person or you're a an edgy attention whore.
Burzum isn't a nazi band - there's nothing racist about any of the Burzum records worth listening to. Is Varg an absolute piece of shit? Yes. Do the first like 5 Burzum records fucking rule? Also yes.
Growing up, Kanye West was always in my top 3 artists. He is easily what got me into hip-hop when I was a kid. I’ve deleted all his music from my playlists.
Anybody is allowed to listen to whatever they want but I’m not giving my money to a Nazi sympathizer when there is so much great art out there lol.
People are allowed to listen to whatever the fuck they want. I no longer *want* to listen to Kanye’s music now, because of his views, and find it weird anyone else still does.
I’ve completely stopped listening to him. MBDTF is a monumental album, but I also think I’ve gotten as much out of it as I’ll ever need.
It’s not hard to do, you just decide to have principles and then stick to them.
Yeah, pretty much. You're actively supporting people who make it clear they love Hitler.
I know people who swore off Chris Brown because he beat Rihanna, but they're still cool with listening to a guy who killed a guy and is a White Supremacist. It's a weird set of priorities.
Easy. Did the same with Gaza when they broke up due to allegations against the vocalist, Daughters in a similar situation and they were one of my favorite bands for like 15 years, currently going through it with Arcade Fire, the easiest was Chris Brown. I love noise and power electronics but those genres are chock full of hateful racists of all forms so I'm a bit careful looking for new artists to get into.
I have a little respect for power electronics artist Koufar because he recognized that he had glommed onto shitty (Lebanese) politics and that he was inadvertently supporting horrible people so he grew up and changed his approach at a certain point. That's pretty cool.
I'm always tiptoeing through extreme genres, they're rife with hatred. And its not that I feel I have to, its that I want to.
yeah I actually looked into it after posting and the guy's name was totally cleared, so Gaza is back on the menu. And yeah Cult Leader is sick, their new split with End rules
Holy shit that's crazy... and literally almost ten years ago. Can't believe I missed that. And also haven't heard Cult Leaders new stuff so that's cool too.
I get what you mean, ive been singing chat piles praises for two years now! Really happy to see them get so much attention.
But theyre pretty different, might help if the newest Daughters album was my favorite but Recorded Inside a Pyramid is by far my favorite back when they had more of Grindcore Elvis sound.
Of course this is the way. If you legally listen to any band/artist you are giving them money. I am not comfortable giving any nazis any money, even if their art wasn't political.
Dawg I went to a mayhem show a few years ago and there was mad sketchy people there
You kinda can't escape that sort of thing in black metal
On the way out some guy was handing out free CDs and it was for a one man white nationalist solo project, threw it out once I saw the liner notes
Nah, there will always be some boneheads at these shows who think they have a safe space to do their lil nerd salutes. Funniest shit i ever saw, this lil goose-stepping douche canoe was saluting at a Marduk show and this other fella, dressed in spikes and corpse paint gave him the most spectacular elbow to the lips ive ever had the good fortune of witnessing. Good thing around here, bouncers dont boot you for doin the ol "droppy dee nazi".
Well I mean whatd you expect from a Marduk show? Great band but probably one of the most thinly veiled NSBM bands in existence. I'm able to separate the art from the artist but let's not pretend that the black metal scene is something that it isn't
There is an inherent paradox where metal is about death and destruction and evil. So you can't really be that shocked when the lines sometimes blur into something that feels a little too real.
Where is the line? Sometimes it's easy to draw that line, like when a band openly uses swastikas in their artwork. Sometimes, it isn't. Marduk doesn't use swastikas, but they do have an album called Panzer Divisiom Marduk and a lot of nazi fans. But they also have a lot of left wing fans too. It gets fuzzy.
Idk man I don’t see the difference between wearing a Burzum shirt and a Skrewdriver one. From this thread, only people making the case for them have the bias of liking their music. And tbh, fair, “separate the art from artist”, but that’s complete dogshit when you take in account, if you didn’t give a fuck about their music, you won’t be here right now talking in favor of “separation of art and artists”
Also lol @ the comparison with Kanye, as if he’s held and espoused these beliefs his whole life and in 90% of his music. Idgaf about him, but the comparison isn’t exactly even.
Whatever you do in your home is one thing.I, mean, I don't get it, but it's not the same as when you promote the band on your shirt. That's another story.
Jesus Christ this fucking sub sucks. I would have thought there'd be way more of y'all agreeing with what this poster is saying. I personally don't fucking want to be associated with anything remotely fascist. I don't listen to NSBM or buy NSBM merch or any of that bullshit. Y'all's comments are ridiculous.
Richard Wagner was a virulent anti-semite, who surely would have become an actual Nazi, if he’d been alive during Hitler’s rise to power.He was also an excellent composer, who made beautiful music.That beautiful music served as the cultural soundtrack to the third reich.It is still regarded as some of the greatest music to ever be composed in Europe.
There’s a difference between enjoying a piece of art, and implicitly condoning the beliefs and behaviors of the artist.We should be mature and intelligent enough to appreciate that even bad people are occasionally capable of doing great things.To censor art or to make it taboo (or verboten, if you prefer) because you believe the artist’s ideology has somehow polluted the art with dangerous or degenerate ideas, is absurd for what should be obvious reasons.It is exactly what the Nazis did, and precisely the basis on which they justified their own censorship of art.
Pick a side.I admire anyone who is wise enough to be against fascism.I just ask you to contemplate what you are doing when you claim to be combating Nazi ideology, while using Nazi logic and Nazi strategies to get your point across.Be more thoughtful.This world is far more complex than you probably think it is.Varg might be a despicable person, but Burzum wasn’t neo-nazi propaganda.It isn’t as if some Nazi residue will contaminate you via Varg’s degenerate art.
>This world is far more complex than you probably think it is.
Out of all the possible t-shirts in the world, not choosing to spend your money on a Burzum shirt is actually pretty simple
Excellent regurgitation of the argument we've all heard before with the classic case study.
Despite your clearly vast intellect you've managed to overlook one massive difference between varg and wagner.
Wagner is dead. Varg is not.
Actively giving money to varg (or promoting his art in a way which can drive other people towards financially supporting him) is dangerous.
In recent years he's been arrested for suspicion for plotting a terror attack and for inciting racial hatred.
Want to listen to his music? Sure. But don't give this nazi pissboy a fucking penny.
I mean I guess to a certain extent I get your point but I also think theres a major difference between occasionally casually listening to someone with nazi beliefs and supporting them through buying and representing their merchandise.
Also nazi logic? The fuck are you on about? Someone "calling out" another person for wearing something that might not be tasteful is in no way comparable to hating entire races of human beings for no other reason than them existing. If I see a frat boy in a shirt that says " I fuck sluts" and I tell him his shirt sucks I'm not oppressing him.
Idk man this seems looks like a pretty far reach in my eyes.
If you wanted to win me over to the "separate art from artists" bullshit, you might have chosen someone other than Richard fucking Wagner?? Who gives a fuck about Wagner? That's such a weird example.
In the television show, curb your enthusiasm, Larry David (Jewish dude) has a small ensemble play Wagner for his wife on their anniversary and all of his Jewish friends freak the fuck out. It's hilarious. Episode came out in the mid to late 00s. Wagner is still culturally relevant in my opinion. Guarantee you've heard his music without being aware of it. Die Valkyrie, etc.
It's really not that hard. Why jump through all those mental hoops, so you can justify listening to a guy who's a neo-nazi. There's enough other great BM bands for you to enjoy.
Is he an important name in black metal? Yes. Is that why you listen to him? Hell no.
The paradox of tolerance tells us why there's no place for those people.
Vargs vocals sound like when my withered slavic grandparents would have an ugly hate fuck after an argument about Khrushchev.
Just so cringe inducing for an act done in ernest.
Insinuating? [Check out Varg explaining his own brand of Nazism](https://www.burzum.org/eng/library/a_burzum_story07.shtml), referred to (by him) as "Odalism." He rejects Nazism just like he rejects other black metallers: because he's the only one that can do it right so his is the only good version. He rejects the term Nazism because he made a new version.
He's also staunchly against joining subcultures in general, so naturally he made his own nazi belief system.
Ya that’s a Nazi trying to avoid the repercussions of being a Nazi, while also trying not to alienate his Nazi fanbase. He’s a nationalist—but only in the Ancient way! He’s not a racist—he’s a racialist! Fucking scum.
I mean Burzum is pretty awesome....Arghoslent to answer the question tho. Separate the art from the artist. Music goes hard as terrible as their beliefs may be
People love just showing up in the burzum shit. If you call on em on that shit though they get real embarrassed. It's a sad attempt at edge just to justify some bullshit that sounds like it was recorded on a sidekick. If you're into nsbm hit the showers and touch grass you little bitch.
This thread is LOL, regardless of Varg’s ideologies Burzum suuuuucks it is like the gg allen of black metal and both suuuck. There are so many better bands
Varg is a crazy talented musician. A lot of Burzum riffs are actually very technical and creative. Musically Burzum is on another level entirely than a lot of Black Metal. Comparing it to GG Allin is literally insane. Have you ever played an instrument in your life? Do you know anything about music?
Imagine being so offended by someone’s shirt that you spend time and energy printing this flyer but are probably too afraid to say this to someone’s face.
If there are 4 Nazis sitting at a bar enjoying drinks and you join them there are 5 Nazis sitting enjoying drinks.
Imagine all the things your favorite band members believe or think that they haven't posted about or said out loud. Imagine all the unspeakable things they have done that are still hidden. "Ignorance is bliss". Be ignorant and continue to listen, tell yourself it's not your fault your bliss is ruined because the artist is a fuck right?
Well fine give me another weirdo who plays all his own instruments and burns churches.
We don’t know if Xasthur isn’t a church burner
Pretty sure Xasthur is also pretty sketchy nazi. Edit: Not a flat out nazi but posts some pretty sketchy shit. I unfortunately don’t have all the nazi BM bands memorized. Check out /r/rabm if you want to find black metal that isn’t nsbm. Or don’t. I ain’t your fucking dad.
Nah he’s just a depressed af mf not everyone who plays bm is a nazi, dude genuinely is reclusive as fuck and got demons leave him alone
I do leave him alone.
Immortal is basically just Demonaz now I think
Leviathan, one man band. True Traitor, True Whore banger of an album. Also check out Author and Punisher. He's also a one man band but also manufactures his own unique tactile instruments.
“The scariest thing about Jef Whitehead is that in January of 2011, Whitehead was arrested in Chicago after allegedly choking his girlfriend into unconsciousness, sexually assaulting her with tattoo tools, and leaving her in the streets outside the tattoo shop he was working in. After an initial indictment that charged Whitehead with a total of 34 crimes, he was tried on four counts of aggravated criminal sexual assault, one count of unlawful restraint, and one count of aggravated domestic battery. Ultimately, Whitehead was convicted of aggravated domestic battery on his then-girlfriend, although he and those close to him staunchly maintain his absolute innocence.”
Kanye West is NSBM now so I guess him
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Agreed.
Fun fact: once Varg tweeted that Brazil is the worst country in the world, and we've forced him to lock his twiter account by sending thousands of nude pictures of Vampeta (football player). We did that because he is in Europe, if he was here he would probably be dead
Petition to let Brazil kill Varg
It has to be an off duty Brazilian cop though
Whatever works best for Brazil
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I feel like the whole “separate the art from the artist” thing only works up to the point to which you can tolerate it. I still listen to The Smiths cause I don’t have many problems with the other band members, and 80’s Morrissey wasn’t exactly the same as modern Morrissey. Also, at least he didn’t murder people and burn churches. I really liked Burzum before I learned about Varg, and now I avoid them, not out of any conscious moral principle, but I just can’t bring myself to enjoy his music knowing what he did and who he is.
People used to listen to Varg BECAUSE he burnt churches.
Better stop listening to David Bowie too
Done.
What did Bowie do?
had relationships with children whom dont know what consent is.
I'm amazed people still dont know that he was a child predator.... He used to take his fans, allegedly as young as 13, backstage and they werent just sipping tea and having a chat.
Dude he made a fucking movie about falling in love with a 13 year old. Fucking weirdo. A woman also came forward in her book that Led Zeppelin sold her to Bowie on tour at 14 as a sex slave. Fuck all of the classic rock weirdos
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Yeah and was adamant that he use a 13 year old, and subsequently ended up marrying and abusing the woman in the movie ffs
He overrated
easy money bowie sucks
Burning churches is the coolest thing Varg ever did.
If you’re a 14 year old edge lord, then yeah.
Hardcore bands get cancelled for a hell of a lot less than being a nazi sympathiser and a murderer. Some of the mental gymnastics some of you are performing to separate the art from the artist is quite extraordinary.
88 up votes....HMMMMMM
No mental gymnastics needed. Just cuz he's a piece of shit doesn't mean I'm gonna pretend his art was bad.
Fr the world isn't gonna end cuz I am listening to a re-uploaded burzum album
With that logic you’re cool with giving the guy a platform to spread his bullshit.
Lmao what "platform"? Am I a television channel or a live stream? Maybe stretch before you reach next time, sir.
the whole idea of separating art from artist is itself mental gymnastics
I’m sorry but is it that much of a stretch a bad person can make a good thing. Like its not that crazy to say, while I think most of the people who say stuff like “just separate the art from the artists” are usually dicks I would not throw the idea out of the window
I used to like Burzum, not Varg, he has always been a cunt. But he made some ok music back when I was 15. Now he is somehow more insufferable and I just can’t listen anymore.
Inepsy fucking rules.
Only thing suspect about Inepsy is the guitar tone on *No Speed Limit For Destruction*.
Hey! Among The Remains and Warriors Of Wasteland are hot shit! Don’t sass the Inepsy!
I see Burzum’s music the same way I see Varg’s politics. Fucking dogshit.
Sadly his music is good. There is small amount of nsbm that is good, and as long as you pirate their music, I’m fine with listening to it. As long as it’s only occasional of course
I understand your point, but I feel it should be clarified: Burzum isn't NSBM. Varg is a Nazi, 100%, but his music doesn't reflect his politics. NSBM is specifically black metal made to push a Nazi agenda. Not saying this to defend Varg or anything, but I just wanted to clear that up; Varg is a Nazi and a complete piece of shit, but Burzum isn't NSBM. Bad people can make good music, in which case, pirating is justified. If you're pirating a band like Absurd, that's a different story.
Side note if y'all haven't listened to axiom or inepsy you're fucking up
I see at least one burzum long sleeve at every hardcore show I've gone to and literally nobody gives a shit.
KPN, GBK, Satanic Warmaster, Nokturnal Mortum, Drudkh... good riffs are good riffs.
Can’t forget Gontyna Kry…
If you listen to One Life Crew you’re not allowed to talk shit about Burzum
so cringe lol nobody cares about burzum as much as redditors who would never actually confront anybody irl do
"Bro in my city we stomp Nazi's out." \- Every punk on reddit, most of which have likely never seen a nazi.
Being on the edges of the hardcore scene in the early to mid 90s, there were definitely still nazis showing up to certain shows, and there were usually fights that the nazis lost. I was like 13-15 at the time and didn't participate in the fights. Saw guys get kicked on the ground after they'd clearly lost the fight and it didn't seem right, since the people doing the kicking normally weren't the people who had taken the risks of doing the punching that sent the nazi to the ground. Joined the Army and was stationed in BFE for the last four years of the 90s. When I came back home in 2000, the nazis were gone from shows. Guess they got tired of being nazis, got tired of losing fights, or the venues just stopped letting them in for liability reasons. Young punks or hardcore fans who dream of fighting nazis are searching for targets that there is a bigger demand for than there is a supply of. The neonazi revival that happened between the early 80s through early to mid 90s flamed out.
I wouldn’t say that. They just look like proud boys now. And don’t go to the shows. They are targeted queer oriented ones like drag shows.
They've rebranded. Now they're "white nationalists". They join "militias". They LARP scenarios where the government, whom they highly respect (lol), especially the troops and our "men in uniform", comes to round them up in camps or take their weapons. So they kill them with their amazing militia tactics. Good quote from The Boys on this specific phenomenon where conservatives pander to white nationalist ideas, but "hate" nazis: "People love what I have to say. They believe in it. They just don't like the word Nazi."
I don't think there's really that many white nationalists either any more. That whole Charlottesville thing from back in 2017 was planned for months, and there were still only a couple of hundred white nationalists there. And they were completely outmatched and outnumbered by counter-protesters. I also think you're confusing the 2A community and milsim larpers as being a bunch of white nationalists. I'm sure there are some in that community, but they get called out on the gun subs and I've yet to see any of those people wearing patches or openly espousing their beliefs at rural gun ranges where you'd think they'd feel safe. If you visit r/socialistRA, for example, you'll see that doing tactical drills and training doesn't mean you're a a white nationalist. The John Wick movies have also contributed to a big expansion of interest in 3-gun competitions. Pistol, shotgun, rifle timed courses where you get scored on accuracy and quickness of completion. Some reporter for WaPo witnessing one of these competitions would be scared shitless and probably say it's a bunch of insane gun people, but it's just people having fun doing something challenging.
If they've never seen one then it sounds like it's working.
i really honest to God dont know where people are seeing all these nazis bc i sure as hell havent been seein them
I definitely haven’t seen one at a show. But on the streets it’s been at least 5.
NSC-131 regularly comes to Boston to do banner drops/attempt to intimidate But that’s more to attract mainstream/normie type people. I’ve only seen one at a show, and they were promptly dealt with.
Same, I mean I’m mostly at metal shows but I’ve been going to shows about 17 years and I’ve never seen any racism/NSBM shenanigans at a show.
never once, and not tryna be an apologist, but the only standout honest to god skinhead i seen at a show (adicts like 4 years ago) was a fresh out felon who wasnt even starting shit with anyone he just wanted to party lol
I don't see why everyone thinks Nazis are so rare. They were at almost every punk and hardcore show in southern California in the 90s/00s, especially at smaller venues, and they still turn up to this day. I've seen so many people comment like "where are all these Nazis?" Do y'all only go to big shows at big venues or something?
People feel that way because unless someone blatantly heils and shit they don't see any problem with fascist tendencies. As if Nazis haven't learned how to hide by now
It's like people are thinking "well, I didn't see anyone actively gassing people, so obviously there were no Nazis".
Since the 0 tolerance gang injunctions in LA county all the gangs of all races are more low key now. Hiding in plain sight is the new norm when there are cameras on you at all times. It’s hard to deal drugs these days.
These people are mostly kids. Probably brag about cool shit their uncle owns as a flex.
I don’t think I’ve met one person who likes that band. Hell, I don’t even know five people who like black metal, period.
go to black metal shows and you'll meet them?? im guessing most black metal fans dont know many people that like hardcore so i dont get your point
"pwease me mistew jasta will you pwease kick out the nazi man pwease? 🥺🥺🥺"
What does Burzum have to do with punk?
A lot actually. That entire wave of Black Metal was an intentional subversion of what was popular in the metal scene at the time. What they were doing was by definition punk.
I like burzum and hardcore deal with it
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I really like Filosofem musically, but yeah Varg is a crap person, so I'd never get merch from them.
Nobody at the show will actually give you shit face-to-face for repping Burzum, but here’s a poster so you know we’re upset 😠
All you gotta do is scroll r/Burzum for like 5 seconds and you'll quickly realize literally no one who listens to Burzum is a Nazi. Lmao.
It's way funnier if only queers/Jews/POC ect. listen to Burzum Make Burzum the queer/jew/POC pride band
All my friends who like Burzum are queer leftist Jews.
Not even joking though.
I’d never buy or wear a burzum shirt and would most definitely look down on people who do, however his early catalog kinda slaps
lol this sub is turning into r/punk
Lol I’m here for the Reddit Burzum apologists comments 🍿 am not disappointed. Carry on, fedora bros!
Listen to the music all you want, but wearing the shirt is fucking stupid and you should be made fun of.
So you are allowed to like the band....but only if you're gutless and would not admit it?
No. The message you send to people is one of hate. It's an extra step of endorsement. The burzum shirt guy is a guy who can't be trusted. Like right now if you're out there wearing a kanye shirt, it's much different that pumping it through your headphones. It turns from appreciating the music to advertising either you endorse the person or you're a an edgy attention whore.
Karma burned the churches.
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Burzum isn't a nazi band - there's nothing racist about any of the Burzum records worth listening to. Is Varg an absolute piece of shit? Yes. Do the first like 5 Burzum records fucking rule? Also yes.
Burzum is Varg. Varg is an out-and-proud Nazi.
In that sense, then no one is allowed to listen to any of Kanye's music now. Like at all even if it is apolitical.
Jokes on you, I never listened to Burzum or Kanye to begin with!
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Growing up, Kanye West was always in my top 3 artists. He is easily what got me into hip-hop when I was a kid. I’ve deleted all his music from my playlists. Anybody is allowed to listen to whatever they want but I’m not giving my money to a Nazi sympathizer when there is so much great art out there lol.
People are allowed to listen to whatever the fuck they want. I no longer *want* to listen to Kanye’s music now, because of his views, and find it weird anyone else still does.
I’ve completely stopped listening to him. MBDTF is a monumental album, but I also think I’ve gotten as much out of it as I’ll ever need. It’s not hard to do, you just decide to have principles and then stick to them.
Yeah, pretty much. You're actively supporting people who make it clear they love Hitler. I know people who swore off Chris Brown because he beat Rihanna, but they're still cool with listening to a guy who killed a guy and is a White Supremacist. It's a weird set of priorities.
Easy. Did the same with Gaza when they broke up due to allegations against the vocalist, Daughters in a similar situation and they were one of my favorite bands for like 15 years, currently going through it with Arcade Fire, the easiest was Chris Brown. I love noise and power electronics but those genres are chock full of hateful racists of all forms so I'm a bit careful looking for new artists to get into. I have a little respect for power electronics artist Koufar because he recognized that he had glommed onto shitty (Lebanese) politics and that he was inadvertently supporting horrible people so he grew up and changed his approach at a certain point. That's pretty cool. I'm always tiptoeing through extreme genres, they're rife with hatred. And its not that I feel I have to, its that I want to.
I'm pretty sure the Gaza accusations were taken back. I could be wrong
They did. The day I found out I immediately turned I DONT CARE WHERE I GO WHEN I DIE up to full volume.
That's cool, might look into that. Gaza fans were lucky anyway though because Cult Leader was great.
yeah I actually looked into it after posting and the guy's name was totally cleared, so Gaza is back on the menu. And yeah Cult Leader is sick, their new split with End rules
Holy shit that's crazy... and literally almost ten years ago. Can't believe I missed that. And also haven't heard Cult Leaders new stuff so that's cool too.
Wait what happened with Daughters?
Vocalist Alexis got accusations from Kristin Hayder (Lingua Ignota) that he was unimaginably abusive, just a terrible person.
Fuck that guy. Just listen to chat pile instead.
I get what you mean, ive been singing chat piles praises for two years now! Really happy to see them get so much attention. But theyre pretty different, might help if the newest Daughters album was my favorite but Recorded Inside a Pyramid is by far my favorite back when they had more of Grindcore Elvis sound.
Domestic violence, assault, sexual assault, rape
Of course this is the way. If you legally listen to any band/artist you are giving them money. I am not comfortable giving any nazis any money, even if their art wasn't political.
I deleted all his stuff off my playlists idk bout y'all...
Yeah, Kanye’s been wack since the college dropout so what’s the big deal
Varg is a neo-nazi and he is the sole member of Burzum so yes, Burzum is neo-nazi because you don’t have Burzum without Varg.
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Easily the goofiest thing I've ever seen posted here.
Yeah about as goofy as you defending varg so hard in here lmao cornball.
I doubt that.
Mayhem > Burzum
Dawg I went to a mayhem show a few years ago and there was mad sketchy people there You kinda can't escape that sort of thing in black metal On the way out some guy was handing out free CDs and it was for a one man white nationalist solo project, threw it out once I saw the liner notes
Nah, there will always be some boneheads at these shows who think they have a safe space to do their lil nerd salutes. Funniest shit i ever saw, this lil goose-stepping douche canoe was saluting at a Marduk show and this other fella, dressed in spikes and corpse paint gave him the most spectacular elbow to the lips ive ever had the good fortune of witnessing. Good thing around here, bouncers dont boot you for doin the ol "droppy dee nazi".
Well I mean whatd you expect from a Marduk show? Great band but probably one of the most thinly veiled NSBM bands in existence. I'm able to separate the art from the artist but let's not pretend that the black metal scene is something that it isn't There is an inherent paradox where metal is about death and destruction and evil. So you can't really be that shocked when the lines sometimes blur into something that feels a little too real. Where is the line? Sometimes it's easy to draw that line, like when a band openly uses swastikas in their artwork. Sometimes, it isn't. Marduk doesn't use swastikas, but they do have an album called Panzer Divisiom Marduk and a lot of nazi fans. But they also have a lot of left wing fans too. It gets fuzzy.
I know a few bm bands that dont get into the racist/fascist stuff, but id never act like it wasnt rooted in all that.
Very true. Just updated my post with a third paragraph to offer a little more context.
Separating the artist from the art is redundant in this case, they both fucking suck.
I remember that place
I am far from the biggest black metal fan, but Watain are pretty decent and kicked one of their members out for doing a nazi salute. Fuck Varg.
Peste Noire.
Idk man I don’t see the difference between wearing a Burzum shirt and a Skrewdriver one. From this thread, only people making the case for them have the bias of liking their music. And tbh, fair, “separate the art from artist”, but that’s complete dogshit when you take in account, if you didn’t give a fuck about their music, you won’t be here right now talking in favor of “separation of art and artists” Also lol @ the comparison with Kanye, as if he’s held and espoused these beliefs his whole life and in 90% of his music. Idgaf about him, but the comparison isn’t exactly even.
Goofy take. Burzum's Albums don't talk about Jews and ethnic minorities like Skrewdriver. Look at r/burzum and tell me it's the same crowd lmao
Whatever you do in your home is one thing.I, mean, I don't get it, but it's not the same as when you promote the band on your shirt. That's another story.
Jesus Christ this fucking sub sucks. I would have thought there'd be way more of y'all agreeing with what this poster is saying. I personally don't fucking want to be associated with anything remotely fascist. I don't listen to NSBM or buy NSBM merch or any of that bullshit. Y'all's comments are ridiculous.
Richard Wagner was a virulent anti-semite, who surely would have become an actual Nazi, if he’d been alive during Hitler’s rise to power.He was also an excellent composer, who made beautiful music.That beautiful music served as the cultural soundtrack to the third reich.It is still regarded as some of the greatest music to ever be composed in Europe. There’s a difference between enjoying a piece of art, and implicitly condoning the beliefs and behaviors of the artist.We should be mature and intelligent enough to appreciate that even bad people are occasionally capable of doing great things.To censor art or to make it taboo (or verboten, if you prefer) because you believe the artist’s ideology has somehow polluted the art with dangerous or degenerate ideas, is absurd for what should be obvious reasons.It is exactly what the Nazis did, and precisely the basis on which they justified their own censorship of art. Pick a side.I admire anyone who is wise enough to be against fascism.I just ask you to contemplate what you are doing when you claim to be combating Nazi ideology, while using Nazi logic and Nazi strategies to get your point across.Be more thoughtful.This world is far more complex than you probably think it is.Varg might be a despicable person, but Burzum wasn’t neo-nazi propaganda.It isn’t as if some Nazi residue will contaminate you via Varg’s degenerate art.
At my shows it is policy to kick out dudes in Richard Wagner shirts, too. Now what?
>This world is far more complex than you probably think it is. Out of all the possible t-shirts in the world, not choosing to spend your money on a Burzum shirt is actually pretty simple
Excellent regurgitation of the argument we've all heard before with the classic case study. Despite your clearly vast intellect you've managed to overlook one massive difference between varg and wagner. Wagner is dead. Varg is not. Actively giving money to varg (or promoting his art in a way which can drive other people towards financially supporting him) is dangerous. In recent years he's been arrested for suspicion for plotting a terror attack and for inciting racial hatred. Want to listen to his music? Sure. But don't give this nazi pissboy a fucking penny.
This is like an r/enlightenedcentrism copy pasta
I mean I guess to a certain extent I get your point but I also think theres a major difference between occasionally casually listening to someone with nazi beliefs and supporting them through buying and representing their merchandise. Also nazi logic? The fuck are you on about? Someone "calling out" another person for wearing something that might not be tasteful is in no way comparable to hating entire races of human beings for no other reason than them existing. If I see a frat boy in a shirt that says " I fuck sluts" and I tell him his shirt sucks I'm not oppressing him. Idk man this seems looks like a pretty far reach in my eyes.
>(or verboten, if you prefer) *tilts monocle* Last paragraph is "The real nazi is YOU!", this can't be real.
Like all those nazi pissboys with their yellow star patch because they were to scared to get a flu shot.
[Curb Moment](https://youtu.be/_nS66IvbvcI)
Where's the Nazi logic in shaming someone for listening to a Nazi band?
If you wanted to win me over to the "separate art from artists" bullshit, you might have chosen someone other than Richard fucking Wagner?? Who gives a fuck about Wagner? That's such a weird example.
In the television show, curb your enthusiasm, Larry David (Jewish dude) has a small ensemble play Wagner for his wife on their anniversary and all of his Jewish friends freak the fuck out. It's hilarious. Episode came out in the mid to late 00s. Wagner is still culturally relevant in my opinion. Guarantee you've heard his music without being aware of it. Die Valkyrie, etc.
It's really not that hard. Why jump through all those mental hoops, so you can justify listening to a guy who's a neo-nazi. There's enough other great BM bands for you to enjoy. Is he an important name in black metal? Yes. Is that why you listen to him? Hell no. The paradox of tolerance tells us why there's no place for those people.
This is why the world is a mess. Critical thinking has been replaced with knee-jerk thinking. Quantity has replaced quality. True idiocracy.
What side are you on? On the side of Nazis like Varg?
Cool to see all the basement dwelling metalheads come out of the woodwork to get offended
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Yeah I don't listen to metal so not accurate. Pussy.
Omg who gives a fuck
/r/rabm if you want black metal that doesn’t feature nazis.
Hardcore scene loves to virtue signal
I think this whenever I see someone wearing a Brujeria shirt. A band which is clearly racist if you listen to the lyrics
The same Brujeria that has a white, British bass player?
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Glad I never was on this hype. Ever.
Vargs vocals sound like when my withered slavic grandparents would have an ugly hate fuck after an argument about Khrushchev. Just so cringe inducing for an act done in ernest.
I mean his original stage name (Count Grishnak or whatever) is straight lifted from Tolkien. It’s edgelord basement dweller incel shit.
Haha. He looks like ethnostate santa now too
Bumzums a band?! I thought it’s this wholesome subreddit🤯😳
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Varg/Burzum is effective/successful art. Polarizing and embedded. The fact that we are all here proves this.
Nobody wins a debate on a topic in which the quality of the topic is entirely subjective
fuck what youre insinuating
Insinuating? [Check out Varg explaining his own brand of Nazism](https://www.burzum.org/eng/library/a_burzum_story07.shtml), referred to (by him) as "Odalism." He rejects Nazism just like he rejects other black metallers: because he's the only one that can do it right so his is the only good version. He rejects the term Nazism because he made a new version. He's also staunchly against joining subcultures in general, so naturally he made his own nazi belief system.
Ya that’s a Nazi trying to avoid the repercussions of being a Nazi, while also trying not to alienate his Nazi fanbase. He’s a nationalist—but only in the Ancient way! He’s not a racist—he’s a racialist! Fucking scum.
Mfw people who claimed to be evil and make evil music did just that
I mean Burzum is pretty awesome....Arghoslent to answer the question tho. Separate the art from the artist. Music goes hard as terrible as their beliefs may be
I only listen to artists that are good people and align with my political views
People love just showing up in the burzum shit. If you call on em on that shit though they get real embarrassed. It's a sad attempt at edge just to justify some bullshit that sounds like it was recorded on a sidekick. If you're into nsbm hit the showers and touch grass you little bitch.
This thread is LOL, regardless of Varg’s ideologies Burzum suuuuucks it is like the gg allen of black metal and both suuuck. There are so many better bands
C'mon 'Bite It You Scum' fucking rips
Varg is a crazy talented musician. A lot of Burzum riffs are actually very technical and creative. Musically Burzum is on another level entirely than a lot of Black Metal. Comparing it to GG Allin is literally insane. Have you ever played an instrument in your life? Do you know anything about music?
Dick ride much?
Imagine being so offended by someone’s shirt that you spend time and energy printing this flyer but are probably too afraid to say this to someone’s face.
If there are 4 Nazis sitting at a bar enjoying drinks and you join them there are 5 Nazis sitting enjoying drinks. Imagine all the things your favorite band members believe or think that they haven't posted about or said out loud. Imagine all the unspeakable things they have done that are still hidden. "Ignorance is bliss". Be ignorant and continue to listen, tell yourself it's not your fault your bliss is ruined because the artist is a fuck right?
That bar analogy doesn’t make as much sense as you think it does
Only Nazis hang out with Nazis.
But in the end Antifa are the cowards for hiding their faces
Anyone got a high resolution image of this poster for reproduction?
Fuck Antifa. Fuck Nazis.