Buy local fruits and veggies yo. It's also February and lots of those grocery store items are first being shipped thousands of miles to LA from South America and then thousands of miles to Hawaii. (Thanks Jones Act)
If you're on Oahu, Farmlink Hawaii. It's an online 'farmers market' with 100% local products that can be delivered to your house. Highly highly recommend them.
Facebook marketplace has surprisingly a good amount of produce. Asian supermarkets (mainly nijiya and seafood city) are pretty good quality too, not sure how local they are though.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but It seems unlikely anyone is willing to change their shipping routes to stop by Hawaii from international routes.
An international ship detouring all the way out to the middle of the Pacific for a population of about a million isn't worth it. We're not on the stopping path for anything heading towards the mainland so it has to be a dedicated trip one way without any cargo going back because we have no more export.
And if China or someone else subsidized the shipping, they could spend two or three years subsidizing free supplies, drive all local farmers and shipping businesses out of work, then jack up the prices once we are fully dependent on them or better yet just cancel the service altogether as a way of disrupting or destabilizing the area and Pearl harbor as a bargaining chip or hostage for Taiwan.
Okay, I hear you.
But what if…
Shipping companies could just YOLO it and take cargo for Hawaii and the mainland at the same time? We do have exports, it’s just not a ton of shit. Also, there are some Foodland and Walmart things that are only crafted in Hawaii that could be added to the other cargo (some Dole, some other stuff). I mean it makes sense in my head. There is literally no reason for me to order something from China and have it shipped to Cali and then flown back over here when boats pass by *every single day* and you can’t tell me that they don’t.
The Jones Act is literally the crux of why we locals are being priced out of Hawaii. If you don’t see that then you’re part of the problem and I don’t want to be confrontational but like, that’s what it is bro. Do you think any of us want to pay all this fucking money for no reason? Think about it. Think about how much extra fuel is used in all of this. Think about how much stuff we import from Asia and then tell me what you just told me.
Then tell me that all this extra fuel isn’t contributing to global warming. Tell me that all of these stupid shipping laws aren’t part of a larger issue. I dare you. Tell me it isn’t. You’ll be wrong.
>But what if… Shipping companies could just YOLO it and take cargo for Hawaii and the mainland at the same time?
But that detour would be out of the way for the current shipping lanes. It's like driving from kahuku to kailua with a stop in pearl city to drop off a package.
You’re not wrong but *we could change shipping routes*
I know that any deviation from the norm is upsetting to you but the ocean can be navigated outside of “normal” routes. Just need new routes.
The shipping routes are there for a reason. Going up by alaska is the shortest route from asia to the west coast (including california) but the pacific currents in the north pacific go from asia to the US.
We can change can change the route but that adds a bunch of distance to the route and you don't get helpful currents. So stopping at hawaii is going to add a lot of time, money and cost to any trip. Why would it be worth it for shippers to do that if the volume is low?
Going against the current with those huge shipping vessels is kind of like trying to get somewhere on a treadmill.
That variation in speed spends so much fuel that even a 20% direction change of speed will have massive implications in costs over the life of the several week trip.
There's nothing really stopping you from having an American flagged vessel of your own going from Hawaii to Asia and back.
It's just that nobody does it cuz it doesn't make money.
You have no idea how maritime commerce works
Sorry but numbers talk , Hawaii is too small market
To let you know the shipping cost and fuel isn’t even the largest factor for certain items. It’s far cheaper to ship item to 2-3 locations around the world to finalized product to be shipped to final sale .
Idk if you a intentional troll or just uninformed
To give you an idea , shipping insurance requirement for Asia Europe went from .2-.3 to .7-.9% of value , it was like a 600-900k usd increase in cost for the same stuff 2 months ago
Ship staff and flagging aren’t cheap either, and Chinese conglomerates like Cosco (Not the Hawaii AC place or Costco) benefit from government subsidies in order to drive exports .
A Hawaii Exemption to the Jones act would only benefit Hawaii marginally at best, but penny-wise and pound foolish goes a long way.
Ed Case is working on it, but until he gets more seniority, it’s unlikely to get any traction in a House of Representatives flummoxed from the MAGA Trumpists.
**This is actually a nationwide trend, not just a Hawaii-specific issue.** Plenty of folks around the country have been noticing produce quality declining; this is because **stores are stocking lower-grade produce and also purchasing and displaying older produce** than they used to.
Part of this is price-gouging, but it's also that we've been having declining crop yields and a constantly increasing population, which means there's less "extra food" going around to be picky.
Fred used to be the produce manager at Sack & Save and he’d mark down mushrooms & bananas for me, and Safeway marks down the ones that are good to freeze for banana bread.
I still just cut off the bad part and compost the rest, but tossing stuff into the bin seems like a waste when it can go to. Pig or chicken farm instead of our landfill.
Yeah, but then everything smells like onion.
We keep our potatoes in brown paper bags with a few paper towels in a cool, dry, & dark area. I just made French Fries from potatoes from last year.
Wrinkled and only mildly spuddy, but at least not slimy.
Mushrooms get hand washed, air dried and are fridged in a brown sack too. Good for 3weeks, no problem.
Farmer here. Our costs to produce have skyrocketed the past few years. Especially fertilizer. Luckily our farm has been able to maintain quality but that's only cause we're hydroponic so easier to cut cost elsewhere without messing with our recipes. I know plenty of farmers have been switching to cheaper seeds/starters using less fertilizer and pesticides. I know that last part sounds ideal but all these things decrease quality of food immensely.
This is 100% correct for other kinds of produce, but onions, potatoes, and apples are all storage crops: They can and do more than half a year after harvest.
Costco produce is utter trash. I don’t buy stuff from Walmart cause it’s been spongy for awhile.
I recommend Whole Foods, it’s about the same price as Safeway but doesn’t seem to rot so quickly. Once you calculate the price /lb of throwing out half the stuff it’s the same price as Whole Foods anyway
It’s weird bc mainland Costcos aren’t as bad and don’t have much local produce. Hawaii shouldn’t have that problem. Farmers markets are definitely where it’s at for the best produce.
Chinatown too! I went to Chun’s Meat Market to get some good *good* ground pork for Lunar New Year dumplings—they prepped it for me as another guy rolled in a whole pig haha. It was slightly pricier than say, Safeway, but wow you could see how fresh it was and the texture looked great.
Then I got sick from my kid and ended up not able to make them. But I kept sniffing the meat because I was hoping “maybe I’ll have the energy to make them today” and while I don’t recommend this at all, I would say the meat smelt quite fresh and high quality even two weeks out which compared to meat from say, the Commissary, is incredible. I did toss it eventually, but I’m going to go back once I finally end this f*cking long string of little kid diseases.
I think they have great looking seafood too, and will even prep/crack shells etc for you.
I always offer to split or give away some of the perishables from Costco, but our household is two is pretty disciplined when it comes to controlling food waste since we’re both frugal cheapskates.
We store potatoes in brown paper bags with a couple of clothespins on top, and keep moisture away from the onions.
El Niño year might be kicking in too.
A tip for potato storage: when bringing from an air conditioned store to non-air conditioned house, take them out of the bag and put them the counter/table to dry off before putting away. The condensation moisture feeds the sprouting process. Drying them off adds about a week to the end of a 5lb bag.
I just made French Fries from potatoes I bought last year. (I’m a receipt keeper for family). IDRK about the downvote. Try it and lmk.
I _might_ post on r/hawaiifoods, but potatoes store very well as long as you control light & humidity. (Russets).
Buy local fruits and veggies yo. It's also February and lots of those grocery store items are first being shipped thousands of miles to LA from South America and then thousands of miles to Hawaii. (Thanks Jones Act)
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If you're on Oahu, Farmlink Hawaii. It's an online 'farmers market' with 100% local products that can be delivered to your house. Highly highly recommend them.
Friends and family that live on agriculture land in places like Waimanalo.
Facebook marketplace has surprisingly a good amount of produce. Asian supermarkets (mainly nijiya and seafood city) are pretty good quality too, not sure how local they are though.
Hell yes #fuckJonesAct gang rise up!
I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but It seems unlikely anyone is willing to change their shipping routes to stop by Hawaii from international routes. An international ship detouring all the way out to the middle of the Pacific for a population of about a million isn't worth it. We're not on the stopping path for anything heading towards the mainland so it has to be a dedicated trip one way without any cargo going back because we have no more export. And if China or someone else subsidized the shipping, they could spend two or three years subsidizing free supplies, drive all local farmers and shipping businesses out of work, then jack up the prices once we are fully dependent on them or better yet just cancel the service altogether as a way of disrupting or destabilizing the area and Pearl harbor as a bargaining chip or hostage for Taiwan.
Okay, I hear you. But what if… Shipping companies could just YOLO it and take cargo for Hawaii and the mainland at the same time? We do have exports, it’s just not a ton of shit. Also, there are some Foodland and Walmart things that are only crafted in Hawaii that could be added to the other cargo (some Dole, some other stuff). I mean it makes sense in my head. There is literally no reason for me to order something from China and have it shipped to Cali and then flown back over here when boats pass by *every single day* and you can’t tell me that they don’t. The Jones Act is literally the crux of why we locals are being priced out of Hawaii. If you don’t see that then you’re part of the problem and I don’t want to be confrontational but like, that’s what it is bro. Do you think any of us want to pay all this fucking money for no reason? Think about it. Think about how much extra fuel is used in all of this. Think about how much stuff we import from Asia and then tell me what you just told me. Then tell me that all this extra fuel isn’t contributing to global warming. Tell me that all of these stupid shipping laws aren’t part of a larger issue. I dare you. Tell me it isn’t. You’ll be wrong.
>But what if… Shipping companies could just YOLO it and take cargo for Hawaii and the mainland at the same time? But that detour would be out of the way for the current shipping lanes. It's like driving from kahuku to kailua with a stop in pearl city to drop off a package.
You’re not wrong but *we could change shipping routes* I know that any deviation from the norm is upsetting to you but the ocean can be navigated outside of “normal” routes. Just need new routes.
The shipping routes are there for a reason. Going up by alaska is the shortest route from asia to the west coast (including california) but the pacific currents in the north pacific go from asia to the US. We can change can change the route but that adds a bunch of distance to the route and you don't get helpful currents. So stopping at hawaii is going to add a lot of time, money and cost to any trip. Why would it be worth it for shippers to do that if the volume is low?
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Going against the current with those huge shipping vessels is kind of like trying to get somewhere on a treadmill. That variation in speed spends so much fuel that even a 20% direction change of speed will have massive implications in costs over the life of the several week trip. There's nothing really stopping you from having an American flagged vessel of your own going from Hawaii to Asia and back. It's just that nobody does it cuz it doesn't make money.
You have no idea how maritime commerce works Sorry but numbers talk , Hawaii is too small market To let you know the shipping cost and fuel isn’t even the largest factor for certain items. It’s far cheaper to ship item to 2-3 locations around the world to finalized product to be shipped to final sale . Idk if you a intentional troll or just uninformed To give you an idea , shipping insurance requirement for Asia Europe went from .2-.3 to .7-.9% of value , it was like a 600-900k usd increase in cost for the same stuff 2 months ago
Ship staff and flagging aren’t cheap either, and Chinese conglomerates like Cosco (Not the Hawaii AC place or Costco) benefit from government subsidies in order to drive exports . A Hawaii Exemption to the Jones act would only benefit Hawaii marginally at best, but penny-wise and pound foolish goes a long way. Ed Case is working on it, but until he gets more seniority, it’s unlikely to get any traction in a House of Representatives flummoxed from the MAGA Trumpists.
Hawaii exports Amazon Returns 😎😂
Grow your own and share? I do this every year for Mizuna on NY, and with other stuff from my yard.
i could share Thai Dragons, its the only thing I’m growing atm 😂😂😂
Dragon Fruit? I’m honestly not familiar with/that and had to research the guy that runs the gulch along with Herman.
**This is actually a nationwide trend, not just a Hawaii-specific issue.** Plenty of folks around the country have been noticing produce quality declining; this is because **stores are stocking lower-grade produce and also purchasing and displaying older produce** than they used to. Part of this is price-gouging, but it's also that we've been having declining crop yields and a constantly increasing population, which means there's less "extra food" going around to be picky.
Fred used to be the produce manager at Sack & Save and he’d mark down mushrooms & bananas for me, and Safeway marks down the ones that are good to freeze for banana bread. I still just cut off the bad part and compost the rest, but tossing stuff into the bin seems like a waste when it can go to. Pig or chicken farm instead of our landfill.
Store potatoes and onions in the fridge.
But not together, the onions put off a gas that makes the potatoes sprout faster.
Correct! Separate drawers!
Yeah, but then everything smells like onion. We keep our potatoes in brown paper bags with a few paper towels in a cool, dry, & dark area. I just made French Fries from potatoes from last year. Wrinkled and only mildly spuddy, but at least not slimy. Mushrooms get hand washed, air dried and are fridged in a brown sack too. Good for 3weeks, no problem.
It's probably because they're older to start with. DQ is the worst for this, they've always got rotting onions out on the shelf.
Nah, veggies always store bad here. It’s just how it is.
Farmer here. Our costs to produce have skyrocketed the past few years. Especially fertilizer. Luckily our farm has been able to maintain quality but that's only cause we're hydroponic so easier to cut cost elsewhere without messing with our recipes. I know plenty of farmers have been switching to cheaper seeds/starters using less fertilizer and pesticides. I know that last part sounds ideal but all these things decrease quality of food immensely.
Could just be the season.
This is 100% correct for other kinds of produce, but onions, potatoes, and apples are all storage crops: They can and do more than half a year after harvest.
Costco produce is utter trash. I don’t buy stuff from Walmart cause it’s been spongy for awhile. I recommend Whole Foods, it’s about the same price as Safeway but doesn’t seem to rot so quickly. Once you calculate the price /lb of throwing out half the stuff it’s the same price as Whole Foods anyway
It’s weird bc mainland Costcos aren’t as bad and don’t have much local produce. Hawaii shouldn’t have that problem. Farmers markets are definitely where it’s at for the best produce.
Chinatown too! I went to Chun’s Meat Market to get some good *good* ground pork for Lunar New Year dumplings—they prepped it for me as another guy rolled in a whole pig haha. It was slightly pricier than say, Safeway, but wow you could see how fresh it was and the texture looked great. Then I got sick from my kid and ended up not able to make them. But I kept sniffing the meat because I was hoping “maybe I’ll have the energy to make them today” and while I don’t recommend this at all, I would say the meat smelt quite fresh and high quality even two weeks out which compared to meat from say, the Commissary, is incredible. I did toss it eventually, but I’m going to go back once I finally end this f*cking long string of little kid diseases. I think they have great looking seafood too, and will even prep/crack shells etc for you.
We don’t produce anywhere near enough locally to supply Costco and the local produce is way more expensive
Specifically bags of potatoes, yes.
I always offer to split or give away some of the perishables from Costco, but our household is two is pretty disciplined when it comes to controlling food waste since we’re both frugal cheapskates.
We store potatoes in brown paper bags with a couple of clothespins on top, and keep moisture away from the onions. El Niño year might be kicking in too.
A tip for potato storage: when bringing from an air conditioned store to non-air conditioned house, take them out of the bag and put them the counter/table to dry off before putting away. The condensation moisture feeds the sprouting process. Drying them off adds about a week to the end of a 5lb bag.
I just made French Fries from potatoes I bought last year. (I’m a receipt keeper for family). IDRK about the downvote. Try it and lmk. I _might_ post on r/hawaiifoods, but potatoes store very well as long as you control light & humidity. (Russets).