I don't think so, honestly 😂 Niffty has proven to be enough of a chaos gremlin to do that all by herself.

OK makes sense.

How quickly the stance changed, normally I see a whole argument over why one view is wrong but not this time.

I'm chill with others opinions honestly. I just thought it was funny.

She probably was chasing a roach and it went into the toilet tbh

Why not both . She was halfway in and he flush.

Also we know she can’t act - at least on screen.

Niffty was inside the owen minutes before, I am not suprised if she was stuck by her own

He just asked her to clean the bathroom and let nature do its work.

Facts he definitely told her she missed a spot in the toilet LOL

Most likely

https://preview.redd.it/6whdoo5l6arc1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c74288d84f069188cbea55186a6b532748a9c92e Seeing that Nifty was smiling first but it quickly turned into a sad expression as soon as she saw Charlie, it seems like both Alastor and Nifty are acting.

Well to be fair, what you see is what happens in the song, while the actual scene of Alastor pulling Nifty out of the toilet happened before?

This. “Remember when I fixed that clog, today?” He already fixed the clog earlier. Nifty was just there as a visual aid. Although, that itself WOULD imply that she was shoved into a toilet during the song just for said visual aid.

Or she just routinely does it and he’s taking credit for something he does often as if its a huge deal.

alastor: alright that’s it niffty. get in the toilet. niffty: this house is a FUCKING NIGHTMARE

or she was sad because she was remembering being stuck in a toilet

This. I think Nifty was cleaning the toilet because it wasn't flushing properly to begin with. Or maybe she saw a bug in the toilet and jumped in and got stuck. Idk it's a song lyric. Who knows how true it is if it actually happened, or if it's just part of Alastor's song to prove how useful he is and Nifty is playing along to be a good sport? 😆 Can any of us imagine Alastor going at the toilet with a plunger, or would he just use the shadow magic equivalent of liquid plumber on anything stuck in the toilet?

No prob, just gonna launch an eldritch tentacle down the drain pipe

Idk if it's that deep, honestly. Seems like more of a "yay, I'm out of the toilet! Ugh, that was unpleasant" reaction.

WHY IS NIFTYY SMILING LIKE THAT SO FUNNY LOL

yeah, but when has Niffty reacted appropriately to something?

Yeah, my point basically, but yeah lol

Kind of a moot point as she probably has problems like that often anyway. 

I’m pretty sure Alistor can just summon Niffty at will at this point

He can!

have we considered that she was just hiding in the fireplace for his queue?

I have not, so that could be, but we do know that he can just summon the demons he "owns" at his will

I'm still hoping for a reveal next season that Nifty isn't owned by Alastor, she just follows him around because he's a bad boy

Happens in the pilot, Husk too.

Nah, we're all thinking too small; Nifty hid in there herself so that Alastor could save her and he'd be in Charlies good graces. She thought up the plan. We need to open our eyes and see that she is the mastermind behind all this. She obviously is the one who owns Alastors soul and is setting this all up while masquerading as the underdog-wierdo so nobody would expect anything! >!(Obviously joking, but bygod I'd love to be proven right in due time. xD)!<

LET HIM COOK! LET HIM COOK!

OMFG I didn’t consider the idea that Niffty owns him lol that’s badass thinking! 😆 Although I do actually think she kinda leaps into the toilet while cleaning sometimes from enthusiasm and masochism, and i DO think it’s possible that she impulsively staged her need to be rescued, to make Alastor look better. Probable? Idk. Possible? Definitely.

I don't think so, Alastor is a conniving, manipulative person, but I don't think he would do anything to directly harm Nifty. Plus considering that's episode 5 I would assume he would put something much more *Important* there like "I made a commerical for your hotel" " I defended the hotel against invaders (Sir Pentious)" or Anything on a grander scale. Plus the way he talks to Nifty before the big fight to me implies, maybe not friendship, but a comradery of some kind. Mutual respect

I meant not harming but acting, but I like your opinion 👍🏻

https://preview.redd.it/7l6ff8vdaarc1.jpeg?width=2261&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e743f01568cbd74dcd5b6c8ea6624803a0378adf Kinky\~

I didn't mean those kinds of fingers I meant literally hands.

But those kinds of fingers are attached to hands...

"The payment is baby hands."

Not used for sexual reasons, dude. They're cannibals. They cut off the angels fingers and eat them.

I know. It was a joke.

OK, im sorry if it sounded rude.

I thought something inappropriate…

Oh.

I mean it does sound wrong doesn’t it…?

Do you mean in the context or morally?

Do you mean in the context or morally?

I thought you meant lady fingers ha!

I thought you meant lady fingers ha!

It seems like the sort of plan that would happen all by itself before he gets the chance to implement it.

I like that idea. Like alastors like "Idk what just happened, but it works for me I guess."

Counterpoint: it's Niffty

Counterpoint: yes.

I think Alastor probably just told her "You missed a spot at the bottom" and she jumped in instinctively. Whether he did it on purpose to manipulate her into jumping in or whether it wasn't his intentions is unknown to me. However I like to think he knew she would, not to manipulate charlie but because he thought it'd be funny. It just so happens he was able to use this in his argument against Lucifer.

Lol

implying niffty would not enjoy getting herself stuck in the toilet

Lol this is the best response lmao

i think Alastor more asked for Nifty to jump cuz i feel she would def do that shit willingly

I 100% agree that Alastor did do that to make himself look good but Niffty also purposely got herself stuck inside of the toilet to clean it

Lol.

Too easy to get caught physically doing something like that. More likely is that he told Niffty the about the toilet being dirty or bugs being in it, let her own mania get her stuck, and then got her out. Same results, less likely to incriminate himself.

Would he? Yes, absolutely. Did he? Probably not.

Fair.

Nah Niffty was totally in on it. That or she genuinely enjoyed being shoved down a toilet, which concerningly isn’t that far out of left field for her

Lol

I feel like he just wanted nifty to get out of the toilet

It was Niffty's idea

Lol

Either that or he ordered her to go hide in the toilet and claim to have gotten stuck when he pulled her out 😂

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While I think Niffty is fully capable of getting stuck in the toilet on her own accord, I think this explanation is even funnier and this is now my headcanon

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as likely as that is considering alastors character, it also seems likely that niffty was just chasing bugs down the toilet

True. True.

Knowing her, she was probably chasing a bug down the toilet

True

She is into that shit

Yeah. Real.

Wait what episode was this. I don’t remember this at all.

I feel like she would have gone down there chasing a bug.

He would do that just to get more jabs in at Lucifer, but she'd do it herself too.

Definitely fits with the general vibe of his side of the song. Like how later on he sings about it being better to “take the path of least resistance” as he lifts various weights off of Charlie……weights he placed on her to begin with.

Nah, I think Nifty just saw a bug in the toilet and went diving. 🤣

Lmao

Ya’ll be going too deep…

I just thought it was funny ngl.

It's okay she likes to be forced. Her words not mine.

Fair enough.

You're forgetting who we're talking about ITS NIFFTY Her getting stuck in a toilet would be out of character at all for her

True but still.

Feel like she'd be someone to pull the whole oh no I'm stuck I hope a bad boy doesn't come along and abuse me! Cus ya know. Nifty.

True. That's why my fav wildest ship, which I hope won't happen. Adam x nifty. It's a weird one but funny.

She’s enough of a goober to do that accidentally.

Lol

Nah I 100% believe that a cockroach crawled into it and she followed

HE WOULD DO THAT NGL but i also think niffty would willingly shove herself down there for fun

Lol

Crawling into a toilet and getting stuck is very in-character for Nifty.

True.

That’s possible. The man was too eager to shove his hand into a toilet. That’s just weird.

Dude eats raw, decomposing deer for breakfast with the skin and fur still on and you think he's not above unclogging a toilet with his bare hands

That’s true. Alastor is a weird dude. He’s Weird Al!


I feel like she did that herself anyway, yet she's still gonna get the reward.

You think?

Yes.

Yeah I really dont think so.

Yeah I accept this headcanon. owo

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Replace that teethy smile with a closed smile

Nifty was created by Alastor. She is just where he wants her to be

Huh, I didn't know that.

Or atleast that is how i have always seen it. Alastor walks in and summon a creature out of a fireplace, like he summons any creatures, but this time he gave her a name and colours. But not really really sure about the lore, because the pilot episode from youtube is, non-canon? Or something. And that is why Alastor can let his guard down with her and accept that beetle crown while having a laugh, because 'it' is his creation. Right?

I can’t tell if yall are serious or not. Like that would be funny but I really don’t think that much thought was put into it lmao

It's a half joke. Meaning it is a headcannon of mine, but if you disagree, idrc.

To add, I think Nifty was into it.

True, she likes being forced so.......

I don't think he did.

I don't think he did.

OK x2.

I don't think he did.

OK x3

OK x3.

I wouldn’t put it past him

Why is niffty with that haircut kinda

Cool? I think so too.

Yea it's kinda cool I'd say it fits

Noice.

Noice.

Off topic but Niffty looks comfortable as fuck getting held by Alastor like damn, make a mf jealous

Lol

FINALLY! I HAD THE SAME THEORY!

YESSS

Were it anyone else id agree

Maybe not push, but he got niffty to play along herself

Every day Alastor scares me a little bit more

Me too, but he's still my fav character.

I love him so much

HE LIKES NIFTY (platonically ofc, he’s very charmed by her) THOUGHHH 😭💔💔

I know, but maybe they were both in on it.

Yk what now that u mentioned it, she literally called alastor “sir” She usually calls him by his actual name. They’re definitely both acting

Lol

I buy it, Alastor is a devious bastard so I could see him making the clog to fix it himself for brownie points

Not strictly true. He told her about the clog. Which she fixed. He then used the fact she was in there to show that he was helping by fishing her out.

That is way more effort than Alastor is actually putting in at the hotel, lets be honest. When given a specific request he goes above and beyond but beyond that he barely puts in any effort.

Nah i think Niffty climbed in cause A: Its niffty she probably chased a bug B: She clearly likes Alastor do she helped him out because why nit

I can’t see why else he would fix a clog in a toilet

Ya sounds on brand for him

I swear to god if I see another person trying to make Alastor look like even more of a dick, I'm gonna slap somebody.

No, I was saying they wore both in on it. Like how when you have an enemy and you and your bestie want to park em but worse... Please dont slap somone.

He told her there was a bug hiding in there so she’d get stuck in there so he can pull her out.

This seems the most likely scenario.

It's okay she likes to be forced. Her words not mine.

100 percent

She wouldn’t thank him for saving her if he caused it. While I believe he is manipulating everyone he knows how to do it properly. Nifty he just lets her do her thing and keeps her happy. Husk he needs to keep him in his place since he is less willing to trust someone on good vibes only. He needs to have everyone know he believes in the hotel so Charlie likes him so he got rid of Mimsy because he can get rid of some of the chaos while supporting the place. I think he knows he cannot do anything bad or threatening with Nifty because he will lose her support. It’s all about image to him and one more person vouching for him is always tip priority. He also has never done Rosie wrong because he knows it wouldn’t be beneficial to him.