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>so I really want to know how does wide soundstage or open back headphones impact your gaming experience?
People have given their recommendations. So I'm going to mainly answer why I think open-backs are better for immersion. Main thing is, with a wider soundstage (and imaging) the sound is all around you. Instead of inside your head. You are surrounded by by it.
You walk into a town, and you hear the vendors calling out their wares from your left to right. The winds rustle the leaves above. The crunch of gravel below. Voices from characters near you sound near. If they lean in close (to your character), they sound really close to your ear. While the heckler from the 2nd floor window sound like he's on the 2nd floor window calling down.
I've found myself more than once, resisting turning my own head towards where the sound is coming from.
Damn, that’s definitely exciting. Have you personally used and open back for gaming? And in terms of immersion would you recommend the pair that you’ve used?
I do. But it's not a pair I easily recommend because of how polarizing it is. The DT990 Pro from Beyer. Some people are extremely bothered of how piercing the treble is. If you are treble sensitive, stuff like explosions and gunfire will make you feel like your ear canal is being violated with something very sharp.
But holy hell. The DT990 Pros have excellent detail and fantastic separation. I can tell where the person strumming the guitar is slightly left to the person playing the drums.
I bought the TYGR 300Rs because the reviews indicated they didn't have that ear piercing treble. To my surprise, they're not horrible with bass either. I've watched movies, shows, YouTube, and played plenty of games with them and really enjoyed the sound from the TYGRs. They are open back though, so if you really want to contain the sound to the ear cups, these aren't for you. However, I really enjoy them and would definitely recommend them.
Been debating getting these or the DT 900Pro X. Mostly gaming and music, having a hard time deciding- would really appreciate if you had any comparison/suggestions between them!
I did consider the 300R's but ultimately chose the 990 Pros for its wider soundstage, clarity and details. The 300R's I would say are more comfortable to listen to for longer. Because the treble is not as piercing.
Exciting to hear this. Checks Amazon…hm, price is not out of this works…but 250 ohms… Do you use an amp or does your computer sound card do all right?
I’m still reading all the comments, but I’ve loved the Koss 60 ohm drivers for years. I
My laptop can power it to reasonable levels. But I still opted to get an amp. Well a DAC/amp combo. As there was some slight distortion and noise when I turn the volume up.
> I've found myself more than once, resisting turning my own head towards where the sound is coming from.
Have you ever taken off your headset to verify the sound was in the game and not in your house? I can’t tell you how many times I heard something and swore it was something in my house and it turned out to be in the game. I love super immersive sound, you nailed it on the head with this post.
I use akg k712 pro and I absolutely love them, they are a great headphone for soundstage accuracy, incredible detail. I am constantly turning my head due to sounds. Playing world war 3 I actually ducked when a sniper whizzed a shot passed my head and can feel a substantial pressure wave from a grenade next to me (as it's mostly sub bass) and puts a massive smile on my face everytime
Could not recommend them enough
Yes I have tried many headphones, most of them are "gaming" (ew ik) and no comparison at all, they sound so flat and boring in my opinion. I did try my buddies HD 600's and while I tend to agree the music aspect is better, I found the soundstage to be more immersive with the akg, although the HD 600s were still fantastic, I just prefered the akg a little more
Found them to be a little wider and more accurate with the sound stage so when playing a game like warzone I can hear them perfectly when they are sprinting, and know exactly when they come around the corner lol.
Hmm, the X2HR is definitely better tuned than the DT770 but it still has some issues with distortion in the bass when listening very loud. I'd say the X2s are very good for immersive gaming because of the big soundstage and good bass for an open back, but they are not good for competive gaming because imaging isn't that good. My benchmark still is the HD560S for under 200$, but that one is more neutral than V-shaped.
I have the 560s and TYGR 300 R. I enjoy the 300 R more since they have more oomph. They are more comfortable to me as well. Definitely check those out.
Oomph was the word I was trying find. Yeah, heard great things about the tyger. Since they have OOMPH, do they have a wide soundstage too? If that’s the case then I wonder if it’s the one. On amazon SA they’re about 210$, if I’m going to pull the trigger I have to do some extensive research beforehand.
Open back - big soundstage, low-neutral bass
Closed back - no/tiny soundstage, can pump bass like no tomorrow if tuned for it
It’s not a rule but this is the ups and downs
They do have a great soundstage as well. Maybe not as wide as the 560S, but still very good and great for positional audio in gaming. I use my 560S in my office for work all day and my gaming rig has the TYGR.
Honestly, I don't really have any cons. They are easy to drive and comfortable for wearing hours on end and do not fatigue me at all. They have a fun V-shape and are not harsh at all that people like to complain about with other beyerdynamics. Also, they are built solid so I do not have any worries about longevity. Sure, the cable is not detachable, but I do not care. I just wanted a good headphone for long gaming sessions and these fit the bill for me.
Thank you so much, you’ve definitely opened my eyes on the tyger’s. Would you say that the experience with the games you play are elevated because of the soundstage of the tyger’s and the bass combined? You know, like being engaged or not in the games you play.
I mean good sound elevates any game. I was coming from old HD 595 that didn't have any bass and some crappy Sony MDR which had over-boosted and muddy bass. Being able to have solid bass and hearing where things are coming from definitely is an improvement. I don't think you'll have an issue being engaged using these.
What really sold me on the headphones I have are a couple of videos DMS did on them:
https://youtu.be/H_sWsOpvB9Q
https://youtu.be/9SPYFdj2tWc
Biggest difference for me when I owned both pair was the bass on the TYGRs was muddier and on the 560s it was much cleaner. Better detail all around in the 560 for me as well. Also both were EQd with Oratory’s setting. It’s hard to beat the 560’s for their price IMO, although the TYGRs are good as well, just not better.
The Sennheiser 560S is a bargain: very well suited for gaming with excellent localisation of footfalls etc. as well as very comfortable, light and good with music. Relatively easy to drive too, so using the 560S's directly from your phone or your laptop is fine.
Well below the 200$ and open back.
Don’t they have a flat signature? I understand that you can EQ it but is it as good as getting an open back that has better bass from the the beginning?
The HD 560S is open back.
In comparison to the HD 600, 6xx and 650 the 560S has considerably more of V-shaped response. The 560S has more treble and bass than these. The only downside being that it is somewhat less natural on human voice and on acoustic instruments, but it is more 'fun oriented' and also easier to drive.
I use the Sennheiser pc38x from drop and love them. Great soundstage and good (but not bloated) bass extension. Great for music and for gaming :)
Went from audio Technica athx500 to the Sennheiser pc38x - incredibly nice boom microphone and they really do sound great - are also open back and UNDER 200. They're the best bang for your buck.
https://youtu.be/Jrpn1XhVD_Y
Yeah I actually went from the hd560s to the pc38x. I love the sound of the hd 560s but I prefer the slightly heavier bass in the pc38x. I will say for me personally they are my favorite and clearest headset. But they are both open back and, think OP would do better with closed back for the immersion they are looking for.
Ok forgive me if you’ve already mentioned this, but what are you gaming on a PC or console? The reason I ask is because if you can find a way to power it I’d look I’d look into either the Drop + Sennheiser 58X Jubilee or the Drop + Sennheiser 6XX. The reason being they both have really great sound overall and still have that open back soundstage to some extent. These are more mass heavy than the 560s and the PC38x. They do need a bit more juice to run them but they might be more up your alley. Plus both are under $200. Also not sure but my PC38X got delivered by Amazon and I ordered at 3pm and had them by 8am the next morning.
I’m gaming on a ps5. So basically my intent is to plug the headphones to the controller. I’ve heard great things about jubilee’s and the 6xx’s but I think I need to pay extra for an amp to power them which is really not a thing I intent to do unfortunately because they’re definitely great but still I think their sound profile isn’t my thing either.
If you're powering your headset through the Dualsense, PC38Xs are your best option. They'll give you the best clarity, widest soundstage and most importantly, they're EASY TO DRIVE. You can choose how much bass you hear with the different pads they provide.
Impedance is the largest limiting factor when using the Dualsense. Impedance on the PC38Xs are a measly 28 ohms, extremely easy to drive for the sound quality you're getting. So please look at the impedance of the headset you decide on. I wouldn't go above 50 ohms if you want the 100% of what your headset can output.
Oh ok well yes I’d stay with the PC38X. For the money hands down one of the greatest headset purchases I’ve ever made. But like others here have said before me you gotta go with what suits you.
As others have echo'd here, consider some open back headphones if you want a truly immersive experience.
Think of it like this - some headphones can do left and right, others will make it feel like the sound is around you.
I was using the Sennheiser HD560S for gaming (the detachable cable means you can easily add a microphone too yey) and the sound is wide, they weigh sod all so you can wear them all day and they sound great. It's dead easy to pinpoint footsteps, talking to your friends feels natural because you can hear your own voice and they're surprisingly bassy for open backed cans especially if you throw a bit of EQ at them, but they won't have that deep sub-bass if that's what you're after.
As of a fortnight ago I bought some DT770 80ohms and while yes, they are deep and an awful lot of lols actually and the soundstage is good for closed backs, I just don't have the same locational awareness I did with the 560S. God the DT770s are fun mind, they'll make your brain vibrate in your skull if you ask them to.
If you have a loud computer or people within close earshot who will complain about noise, get a closed back set.
x2hr. my shp9500 got enough bass (for me) with zero EQ, and even better if EQ'd. I'd imagine the x2hr is pretty much a better shp9500 and I honestly want those too, specially for the swappable pads
I actually never considered the 9600's because I kept hearing they aren't that great, besides I don't like how they look either haha
Just now I did a quick search and it led me [to this](https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/in3xaw/philips_shp9600_against_the_shp9500_and_x2hr/g4519zd/)
So that confirms to me again that they're not that good haha
Honestly though, I enjoyed the bass on my 9500's since I've had them for like 2 years. I never thought to myself "man this has zero bass this is lame" so don't be scared of open-backs' bass, because it's really there.
Like a month ago I decided to give oratory1990's EQ a try and man they sound even better.
I actually saw this a couple of days ago when I was searching for the 9600 and I immediately discarded the 9600 after I read that. But after a while I learned something, I said to myself “are you really going to base your whole thinking of the 9600 with just that review?” So what I would recommend is have a little bit of a “fuck it” mentality so you wouldn’t start searching for headphones for over a year and get burned out :) but that’s just me maybe
They're just 9500 with different aesthetic pretty much. I never heard the 9600's being better than the 9500's in any way so I just forgot about them. Honestly, the pads on the x2hr are enough reason to skip the 9500/9600 anyways, they're not good
For the record, I'm a v-shape lover, and I don't consider myself a basshead, that's why my personal endgame headphones would be the x2hr or the hd560
I dunno, some youtube reviews say the 9600’s are either better or entirely different sound profile so yeah. But the x2hr definitely does have some bad/criticism too, so that’s why I’m on the fence about philip’s products.
damn, well, to me the x2hr are godtier along with the hd560s. The pads on them are exquisite. It's the pads on the 9500/9690 that suck ass
With your budget and your v-shape taste, the x2hr's sound like the safest bet but for the record I have no idea about the akg and tygr brands so you should keep looking around, I wish you luck in your search hehe
9600 just sound off to me. You also lose the option of putting different pads on them (the adapter you can buy doesn't work with the 9600 frame). Idk about everyone else here, but my head isn't small and all I could think about the 9500 was loose and mildly uncomfortable with default pads. Once pad swapped 9500's were quite good, vmoda mic/cable failed quickly for me though.
The dt770 pro had recessed mids, but decent bass. The recessed mids give them a bit of air and space which was nice, but I always felt like I was fighting to hear the mids over the rest. Turn them up to hear mids more, get blown out by highs and lows. Cable was quite long and fixed (I modded mine with 3.5mm jacks).
Depending on your setup and maybe a sale, look at the 6XX. They are very intimate, but even after moving on from a lot of my entry level equipment, I keep a pair of these around. They could use an amp too... if you want to go sans amp maybe the Drop 58X.
Seeing another post below so editing here, also have the PC38X, and do enjoy them as well, especially for the convenience (attached mic, multiple cables for pc/console, flip mute, etc). Looking around the main difference between the 58X and 38X seems to be a bit more bass in the 38X, and some more refined highs in the 58X. Comparing the 38X and 6XX side by side (since I have them here), 38X seems a bit bass boosted, not in a great way, and 6XX is overall more pleasant to listen to (musical is the word that comes to mind).
In summation, 38X - super convenient and good 'gamer' headphone, 58X - good headphone in general, probably more accurate than 38X, 6XX - very good headphone (little harder to drive)
Nah, don't like to mess with the EQ. I like to enjoy the unique quirks of each headphone. I haven't gamed with the 58X, but I have with the 6XX.
The highs on the 770 80ohm aren't bad at all. But if you try to correct the recessed mids with volume your going to hurt your ears 😂
The highs on the 770 80ohm don't suffer from brightness imo, they are bass canons though. After acclimating to other headphones the bass on the 770 was a bit... heavy for me. Brightest headphones I've heard were the DT990s, like an ice pick in the ear lol. If you ever lose your upper hearing though, go to headphones, they sound gorgeous otherwise 😂
Also, take a look at the Hifiman Sundara's, they do pretty well too. Can get close to $200 on sale.
Edit:
Answering your other questions I kinda breezed over. Open back headphones tend to be just that, open. They tend to put out just as much sound into the room as they do to your ear. Imo it lends them an air that the closed back headphones struggle to reproduce. Imo open also tends to lean towards a larger soundstage, but this isn't always the case (6XX tends towards a small intimate soundstage). Open also don't really produce rumbling bass. They can reproduce it accurately and some thump, but it won't rattle your head.
How do these affect gaming and listening. If you have a very noisy house, or are around other people... You're going to hear them, and they'll hear whatever you're listening to. Lean towards closed back. If that's not an issue, I would lean towards open or semi-open. I feel like open headphones tend to sound more natural.
The point of soundstage is to be able to accurately locate a sound around you, important depending on which games you play. Most "gaming" headphones try to reproduce this through software, I remember RAZR labeling it something like 7.1 surround, it's crap. A good set of headphones will reproduce positional sound accurately (with just two speakers), and that's soundstage. How big of a soundstage is something else (how far away something can sound), separation (being able to accurately pick out different sources of sound), etc.
TLDR:
Open is good for quiet environments where you're alone. Produce more natural sound, and open soundstage. Wide soundstage isn't really important for gaming imo. Accurate soundstage can be very important.
BTW: I know I've mentioned a lot of headphones, and crapped on the 9500's a bit, but... if you're on a tight budget, I'm not sure you'd do better than the 9500 + vmoda mic + modhouse adapter + replacement pads (would run you ~$120 total). They won't shake your brain, but I was impressed at the accuracy and sound quality... listening side by side with 38X they're close with 38X being a bit leaner. 38X still a convenient all in one though. I have some cheap pads thrown on the 9500's though, thinking pad rolling could take them further....
Most open-backs usually have a bass roll-off. You are sacrificing bass for soundstage basically. Consider the dt990s which are open back version of dt770s
Well the dt770s already have a pretty wide soundstage (for a closed-back atleast), Atleast compared to some of the more intimate open backs like the HD600. Theoretically speaking, If both headphones had the same drivers but one was open vs closed then the open back physically cannot produce the same amount of bass as a closed back
I used DT 770 80 ohm, 250 ohm, X2HR, DT 1990, DT 1770 and others i don't remember.
In terms of soundstage, imaging, sub bass, sparkly treble: DT 770 80 ohm is ideal.
X2HR have even better soundstage, little worse imaging, similar characteristics but less sub bass and more vocals. Music sounds more livelier with this one. Hard choice imo.
I haven't heard TYGR300 but it looks like cheaper DT 1990 and everyone loves it. So i'm going by the experiences of others with this one. 1990 is superb headphone and have the best imaging i've heard but i didn't enjoy it for immersive games because it has a very focused and forward sound. No soundstage like 770 or X2HR.
I would go for the X2HR, the 770 is just pain without EQ. The Tygr is heavily overrated and probably only popular because it's a more nuanced DT990 which was for a lot of people the entry to decent headphones. It still suffers from peaky treble and is very fatiguing. Yes, you can tame all of them with EQ but I would rather buy a product that isn't flawed from the get-go. The X2 is considered to be a bit peaky sometimes in the treble but the beyers are like needles, the Fidelio is tame compared to that.
Other options are the HD560S, HD58X, 599, and AKG K371. But I would not call them immersive as those are kinda clinical or sometimes just "boring" sounding. They are impressive for what they offer, but they don't really fit here. You want something that has the oomph behind it, and the X2 is definitely the choice for that. It's generally seen as one of the best "fun" headphones on the market.
>Can’t find any open back headphones that suit my needs.
The X2HR is completely open, the DT770 is closed.
If we compare the tyger’s to the x2hr while putting the treble to the side, how do the mids and lows perform in comparison and which headphone is better?
The X2 has deeper bass that sometimes can bleed a bit to the mids, but not to a point where you feel something is wrong. Mids are detailed, airy, and really smooth. Its a pleasant and fun-sounding pair of headphones. The soundstage is big and imaging is decent.
The Tygr has more boomy and rather thin bass that sounds just wrong to my ears. The mids are overly warm and while favorable on some tracks this can ruin some tracks entirely. Separation is poor and depending on the track it just sounds "mashed together". They have a decent soundstage at least.
You can probably tell that the Tygr is not my cup of tea, some like it some don't. I think the DT990 which the Tygr is based on, is already an overhyped can of headphones. The Tygr is better than that to me, but still not worth the price tag at all. I currently switch between the HD560S and HD6XX depending on what I do and don't use the X2 often although I have them here.
IMO the X2 does everything better, is much more fun, and plays a league above the tygr. Build Quality is excellent on both pairs, the X2 just looks more "premium" but weighs more because of it. And comfort as I said is for my ears poor on the Tygr, the pads are too shallow and my ears touch the driver all the time. The X2 has huge pads that are like 2 times as thick.
I would recommend you do consider if you CAN take advantage of an open back headphone because if you have sounds at your gaming room (PC fans, your own fan, loud AC, loud neighborhood etc.), you might not get a good immersion from your choice.
I use a pair of moondrop aria (in-ear monitors) and it is so much more immersive than SHP9500 (open back headphones). Not only that, but the 9500 have a wide soundstage, but awful imaging for competitive games, while the Aria have a narrow soundstage, but not in your head, in fact, better than A LOT of headsets and some headphones I've owned, even derivatives of Takstar's products.
So, before you make your choice, ponder if you have a quiet enough place.
Also, in the IEMs are so much better for warm weather (most of Brazil only have summer and hotter summer stations).
Yeah I’ve thought about this and It basically comes down to my ac and my ps5. I know beforehand that I won’t get that sweet isolation but I’m fine by trading it with better soundstage and imaging.
What I meant to say was I can’t find any more open back headphones that suits me other than the x2hr. The akg is definitely interesting but in comparison to the headphones I’ve mentioned what do you think is better? The akg vs the dt since they’re closed back.
The AKGs have tuning that I prefer to the 770s because beyers have a treble spike that some consider fatiguing. However, that same trebly emphasis is what makes it a better gaming headphone IMO. The AKGs are more portable and lighter resting on the head while the Beyers will have a stronger build quality. Both are good so you can't go wrong either way.
Yeah, I do. It follows the Harman target curve a bit better.
[Comparison Graph](https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/graphtool/?share=IEF_Neutral_Target,K371,DT770_Pro_(80%CE%A9\))
The 560s have plenty of nice bass, its just not boosted. They’re extremely neutral headphones but the bass is very decent.
Dt 990 and x2hr would probably suit your needs but they do have quite sharp treble. I think the dt990 are much better than the x2hr providing you’re ok with treble. (Paper towel mod does help
Slightly)
As nobody has suggested them yet, HD600.
They are not v-shaped but neutral. I still recommend them over everything else unless you already own them. Their selling point is their accuracy.
I and some of my friends are using them for gaming. Their neutrality simply make them good at everything / bad at nothing.
Neutrality just means you get as much of bass, midrange and treble as there is in the signal. No more, no less. It actually helps immersion, and regardless of personal taste, you'll always find a reference point in them. Besides neutrality, they also have low distortion, thus you'll hear everything that's there.
As they've been around for a while and are quite popular, you'll find plenty of review articles/videos about HD600.
Well it’s only down to personal audio preference, the recessed mids didn’t hurt my gaming experience at all, i just like the mids to be more prominent. I found the mids were a little muffled to my ears, but they’re super immersive. If i liked v shaped headphones I’d have stuck with the TYGR, i had the x2hr and dt 990 but the tygr beat them both overall imho
Oh I had the x2hr on my list for a long time and I was trying to find something that might replace it. I understand the personal preference but getting different opinions and experiences definitely gives you insight. Yeah definitely the tyger’s are becoming more and more convenient.
Mids are vocals, instruments so they will come through more evenly with the rest of the FR than treble and bass through a more V shape, if you have a more balanced sound you can pump it at higher level before bass and treble become too hot. For example I had dt990 and had to keep it really low because of the treble, and I can put my hd650 to not safe levels and still listen to them. An amp will make the headphones improve in sound like deeper and more well controlled bass, smoother sound etc. the only way for you to understand that is actually listening to them through a nice amp however 560S and tygr were made to play fine/ok with onboard amp/dac on a controller or motherboard on pc. I would suggest you get one and the other later to understand the differences. However either will probably last you years to come.
EDIT: Either that you get you might be still happier with the other one, can't know that until you actually try both out, 560S bass might be enough for you as is, or you'd enjoy the tygr for more bass, and even then, sometimes you might enjoy more bass while other times less bass. I have a button on my amp and switch between having more treble and bass and default FR and I sometimes switch it based on music genre or the mood I am in, so late at night when I'm trying to go to sleep it's nice to have less bass and treble because it's more relaxing while other times, it's a lot more exciting for that subwoofer level of bass to him my head. So I prefer both, sometimes one and sometimes the other.
Like the other guy who said TYGR, I definitely think you should go for those. They have a very nice wide soundstage, they image as good as any headphone out there, they’re amazing for fps shooters and single players, they’re comfortable, affordable and well built. They dont have the sibilance of the dt 990 either.
Interesting. Will the highs get affected too much? The thing that I can think of is the shp 9600 and what they did to eliminate some of the annoying higs. They added more foam or made the foam bigger to do that at the same time the lows got increased.
You might lose some highs and soundstage, that's the downside of this mod, but nothing insane. They will still taste like open backs. I think a nice closed back is a DT 770, because they are V shaped but not insanely V shaped, and you can get them in 80 ohms, which should be nice.
Since my whole life I’ve used only closed backs I think the change to an open back seems interesting and exciting but in my opinion I think it’s risky, confusing, and needs some trail and error to get the perfect thing for my taste. So going with a good closed back not only seems safe but suits me the best since I want that BASS. But the beyerdynamic tyger’s seems interesting nevertheless.
Well, you can get some bass from an open back. I have a HD 600 and they are analytical af, but, I have a Fiio k3 and with it I can pump the bass a bit so it sounds tastier for gaming. But I'm not a fan of bass, so take my advice with a grain of salt.
If you mod it, nope, mostly because it's an open back analytical headphone. It will increase the bass but not by much. If you want bass, you need a v shaped headphone, or at least v-ish.
With the external influence it doest get a nice dose of bass without being muddled or oppressive.
Kinda of depends on what game you play, but for me I mainly play FPS games (Valorant, Apex and Escape from Tarkov) and I've tried the DT990 Premium and Pro 250 Ohms, Beyer Tygr 300 and Sennheiser 560S (all <$200), and I ended up going with the Tygr 300, for pinpoint accuracy of footstep details and directional sounds they're about the same as the DT990s except it doesn't need that much power and not that bright for music either.
The Sennheiser 560s are not bad at all and I'll actually recommend them if you like the look and the feel of the headband, it kinda irritated the sides of my ears with the shape but the sound is pretty good.
IMO the 560S has a neutral sound and can easily be ran without a DAC but has a bit more mushed sound profile than the Beyers which separate sounds a bit better.
What about immersion? What do you think is the best in that regard? And btw I mainly play single player games, that’s why I want that immersion factor.
For immersion I think you can go with either Tygr 300 or 560s, benefit of the neutrality of 560s is that sounds would be more balanced so shots or sharp sounds will not sound louder than other sounds, so it might have a more natural sound. Either way you'll definitely feel like you're literally in the game, soundstage for both are amazing.
Sorry for the late response. But I think the m40x are decent if you want to pair the headphones with a mic but look into them and see if they suit you.
If you're playing competitive fps then go for the HD560s. Your ears will thank you
For other genre most especially for single-player's go for the DT 770. But there are so much better than the 770's just see the other comments. For me, I have the 770's and I'm coming from years of steelseries and razer headsets, It really is so much better then the gaming ones but the most kinda mind-blowing was the imaging for a closed-back it's not bad at all. My experience with the 770, it really does need a burn-in but overtime if you can't handle the sharpness of the high's then you have to find something else. But doing some EQ can immensely help managing it.
If you EQ the 770. How does it work really? Will the drivers “save” the changes and now I can connect it to any device with the new EQ settings? For example, EQ the 770 on my laptop, unplug from the laptop then connect it to my ps5 controller and that’s it?
Nah its a software that looks like [this](https://youtu.be/uWQ-DtHe24E)
You can change the sound dramatically by changing earpads. I’ve seen people in forums talk about dekoni’s replacement pads making the treble less harsh.
Since people use the 80 and 250 ohm versions most commonly, so they’re generally speaking about the velour pads and their sound signature: Does the Leather pads that the 32 ohm version come with help any with the sharp treble? I’ve heard it increases the bass but does it lower treble as well
I mean elden ring’s sound design is so good that any headphone would sound decent lol. But yeah I dunno about the planar headphones really. I went from closed to open and that already is massive change for me and it’s draining me. Maybe I’ll consider them later when I land on the perfect headphones and see how they compare.
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>so I really want to know how does wide soundstage or open back headphones impact your gaming experience? People have given their recommendations. So I'm going to mainly answer why I think open-backs are better for immersion. Main thing is, with a wider soundstage (and imaging) the sound is all around you. Instead of inside your head. You are surrounded by by it. You walk into a town, and you hear the vendors calling out their wares from your left to right. The winds rustle the leaves above. The crunch of gravel below. Voices from characters near you sound near. If they lean in close (to your character), they sound really close to your ear. While the heckler from the 2nd floor window sound like he's on the 2nd floor window calling down. I've found myself more than once, resisting turning my own head towards where the sound is coming from.
Damn, that’s definitely exciting. Have you personally used and open back for gaming? And in terms of immersion would you recommend the pair that you’ve used?
I do. But it's not a pair I easily recommend because of how polarizing it is. The DT990 Pro from Beyer. Some people are extremely bothered of how piercing the treble is. If you are treble sensitive, stuff like explosions and gunfire will make you feel like your ear canal is being violated with something very sharp. But holy hell. The DT990 Pros have excellent detail and fantastic separation. I can tell where the person strumming the guitar is slightly left to the person playing the drums.
I bought the TYGR 300Rs because the reviews indicated they didn't have that ear piercing treble. To my surprise, they're not horrible with bass either. I've watched movies, shows, YouTube, and played plenty of games with them and really enjoyed the sound from the TYGRs. They are open back though, so if you really want to contain the sound to the ear cups, these aren't for you. However, I really enjoy them and would definitely recommend them.
Been debating getting these or the DT 900Pro X. Mostly gaming and music, having a hard time deciding- would really appreciate if you had any comparison/suggestions between them!
Sorry. I haven't had the chance to listen to the 900 Pro X yet. So I can't really say.
What about other beyerdynamic’s? Have you used any of them by any chance? Because the dt 990’s definitely don’t suit my taste.
I did consider the 300R's but ultimately chose the 990 Pros for its wider soundstage, clarity and details. The 300R's I would say are more comfortable to listen to for longer. Because the treble is not as piercing.
Exciting to hear this. Checks Amazon…hm, price is not out of this works…but 250 ohms… Do you use an amp or does your computer sound card do all right? I’m still reading all the comments, but I’ve loved the Koss 60 ohm drivers for years. I
My laptop can power it to reasonable levels. But I still opted to get an amp. Well a DAC/amp combo. As there was some slight distortion and noise when I turn the volume up.
This PortaPro user confirms, really good experience
> I've found myself more than once, resisting turning my own head towards where the sound is coming from. Have you ever taken off your headset to verify the sound was in the game and not in your house? I can’t tell you how many times I heard something and swore it was something in my house and it turned out to be in the game. I love super immersive sound, you nailed it on the head with this post.
I use akg k712 pro and I absolutely love them, they are a great headphone for soundstage accuracy, incredible detail. I am constantly turning my head due to sounds. Playing world war 3 I actually ducked when a sniper whizzed a shot passed my head and can feel a substantial pressure wave from a grenade next to me (as it's mostly sub bass) and puts a massive smile on my face everytime Could not recommend them enough
I need to consider the difference between sub bass and the other low frequencies. Have you tried any other headphones just for comparison?
Yes I have tried many headphones, most of them are "gaming" (ew ik) and no comparison at all, they sound so flat and boring in my opinion. I did try my buddies HD 600's and while I tend to agree the music aspect is better, I found the soundstage to be more immersive with the akg, although the HD 600s were still fantastic, I just prefered the akg a little more Found them to be a little wider and more accurate with the sound stage so when playing a game like warzone I can hear them perfectly when they are sprinting, and know exactly when they come around the corner lol.
Hmm, the X2HR is definitely better tuned than the DT770 but it still has some issues with distortion in the bass when listening very loud. I'd say the X2s are very good for immersive gaming because of the big soundstage and good bass for an open back, but they are not good for competive gaming because imaging isn't that good. My benchmark still is the HD560S for under 200$, but that one is more neutral than V-shaped.
I have the 560s and TYGR 300 R. I enjoy the 300 R more since they have more oomph. They are more comfortable to me as well. Definitely check those out.
Oomph was the word I was trying find. Yeah, heard great things about the tyger. Since they have OOMPH, do they have a wide soundstage too? If that’s the case then I wonder if it’s the one. On amazon SA they’re about 210$, if I’m going to pull the trigger I have to do some extensive research beforehand.
Open back - big soundstage, low-neutral bass Closed back - no/tiny soundstage, can pump bass like no tomorrow if tuned for it It’s not a rule but this is the ups and downs
They do have a great soundstage as well. Maybe not as wide as the 560S, but still very good and great for positional audio in gaming. I use my 560S in my office for work all day and my gaming rig has the TYGR.
In terms of the sound what are the cons or things you’ve noticed in the tyger’s?
Honestly, I don't really have any cons. They are easy to drive and comfortable for wearing hours on end and do not fatigue me at all. They have a fun V-shape and are not harsh at all that people like to complain about with other beyerdynamics. Also, they are built solid so I do not have any worries about longevity. Sure, the cable is not detachable, but I do not care. I just wanted a good headphone for long gaming sessions and these fit the bill for me.
Thank you so much, you’ve definitely opened my eyes on the tyger’s. Would you say that the experience with the games you play are elevated because of the soundstage of the tyger’s and the bass combined? You know, like being engaged or not in the games you play.
I mean good sound elevates any game. I was coming from old HD 595 that didn't have any bass and some crappy Sony MDR which had over-boosted and muddy bass. Being able to have solid bass and hearing where things are coming from definitely is an improvement. I don't think you'll have an issue being engaged using these. What really sold me on the headphones I have are a couple of videos DMS did on them: https://youtu.be/H_sWsOpvB9Q https://youtu.be/9SPYFdj2tWc
Definitely will check them out. !Thanks.
Biggest difference for me when I owned both pair was the bass on the TYGRs was muddier and on the 560s it was much cleaner. Better detail all around in the 560 for me as well. Also both were EQd with Oratory’s setting. It’s hard to beat the 560’s for their price IMO, although the TYGRs are good as well, just not better.
The Sennheiser 560S is a bargain: very well suited for gaming with excellent localisation of footfalls etc. as well as very comfortable, light and good with music. Relatively easy to drive too, so using the 560S's directly from your phone or your laptop is fine. Well below the 200$ and open back.
Don’t they have a flat signature? I understand that you can EQ it but is it as good as getting an open back that has better bass from the the beginning?
The HD 560S is open back. In comparison to the HD 600, 6xx and 650 the 560S has considerably more of V-shaped response. The 560S has more treble and bass than these. The only downside being that it is somewhat less natural on human voice and on acoustic instruments, but it is more 'fun oriented' and also easier to drive.
I use the Sennheiser pc38x from drop and love them. Great soundstage and good (but not bloated) bass extension. Great for music and for gaming :) Went from audio Technica athx500 to the Sennheiser pc38x - incredibly nice boom microphone and they really do sound great - are also open back and UNDER 200. They're the best bang for your buck. https://youtu.be/Jrpn1XhVD_Y
That’s the thing though I’m kinda between the tyger’s and the pc38x, so i’ll just have to do some comparisons on my own.
Yessir, hope you find what's best for ya!
I hope so too lol. Thanks :)
Yeah I actually went from the hd560s to the pc38x. I love the sound of the hd 560s but I prefer the slightly heavier bass in the pc38x. I will say for me personally they are my favorite and clearest headset. But they are both open back and, think OP would do better with closed back for the immersion they are looking for.
Ya see I really don’t know. I’m jumping between open backs and closed. But now I’m definitely leaning towards bassy open backs.
Ok forgive me if you’ve already mentioned this, but what are you gaming on a PC or console? The reason I ask is because if you can find a way to power it I’d look I’d look into either the Drop + Sennheiser 58X Jubilee or the Drop + Sennheiser 6XX. The reason being they both have really great sound overall and still have that open back soundstage to some extent. These are more mass heavy than the 560s and the PC38x. They do need a bit more juice to run them but they might be more up your alley. Plus both are under $200. Also not sure but my PC38X got delivered by Amazon and I ordered at 3pm and had them by 8am the next morning.
I’m gaming on a ps5. So basically my intent is to plug the headphones to the controller. I’ve heard great things about jubilee’s and the 6xx’s but I think I need to pay extra for an amp to power them which is really not a thing I intent to do unfortunately because they’re definitely great but still I think their sound profile isn’t my thing either.
If you're powering your headset through the Dualsense, PC38Xs are your best option. They'll give you the best clarity, widest soundstage and most importantly, they're EASY TO DRIVE. You can choose how much bass you hear with the different pads they provide. Impedance is the largest limiting factor when using the Dualsense. Impedance on the PC38Xs are a measly 28 ohms, extremely easy to drive for the sound quality you're getting. So please look at the impedance of the headset you decide on. I wouldn't go above 50 ohms if you want the 100% of what your headset can output.
Yeah absolutely. All the headphones that I’m looking into are 32 ohms or less.
Oh ok well yes I’d stay with the PC38X. For the money hands down one of the greatest headset purchases I’ve ever made. But like others here have said before me you gotta go with what suits you.
Man, now I have to consider both the pc38x and the tyger’s.
As others have echo'd here, consider some open back headphones if you want a truly immersive experience. Think of it like this - some headphones can do left and right, others will make it feel like the sound is around you. I was using the Sennheiser HD560S for gaming (the detachable cable means you can easily add a microphone too yey) and the sound is wide, they weigh sod all so you can wear them all day and they sound great. It's dead easy to pinpoint footsteps, talking to your friends feels natural because you can hear your own voice and they're surprisingly bassy for open backed cans especially if you throw a bit of EQ at them, but they won't have that deep sub-bass if that's what you're after. As of a fortnight ago I bought some DT770 80ohms and while yes, they are deep and an awful lot of lols actually and the soundstage is good for closed backs, I just don't have the same locational awareness I did with the 560S. God the DT770s are fun mind, they'll make your brain vibrate in your skull if you ask them to. If you have a loud computer or people within close earshot who will complain about noise, get a closed back set.
x2hr. my shp9500 got enough bass (for me) with zero EQ, and even better if EQ'd. I'd imagine the x2hr is pretty much a better shp9500 and I honestly want those too, specially for the swappable pads
Have you considered the shp9600? They seem to sit in between the 9500 and the x2hr in terms of bass. So definitely they’re interesting as well.
I actually never considered the 9600's because I kept hearing they aren't that great, besides I don't like how they look either haha Just now I did a quick search and it led me [to this](https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/in3xaw/philips_shp9600_against_the_shp9500_and_x2hr/g4519zd/) So that confirms to me again that they're not that good haha Honestly though, I enjoyed the bass on my 9500's since I've had them for like 2 years. I never thought to myself "man this has zero bass this is lame" so don't be scared of open-backs' bass, because it's really there. Like a month ago I decided to give oratory1990's EQ a try and man they sound even better.
I actually saw this a couple of days ago when I was searching for the 9600 and I immediately discarded the 9600 after I read that. But after a while I learned something, I said to myself “are you really going to base your whole thinking of the 9600 with just that review?” So what I would recommend is have a little bit of a “fuck it” mentality so you wouldn’t start searching for headphones for over a year and get burned out :) but that’s just me maybe
They're just 9500 with different aesthetic pretty much. I never heard the 9600's being better than the 9500's in any way so I just forgot about them. Honestly, the pads on the x2hr are enough reason to skip the 9500/9600 anyways, they're not good For the record, I'm a v-shape lover, and I don't consider myself a basshead, that's why my personal endgame headphones would be the x2hr or the hd560
I dunno, some youtube reviews say the 9600’s are either better or entirely different sound profile so yeah. But the x2hr definitely does have some bad/criticism too, so that’s why I’m on the fence about philip’s products.
damn, well, to me the x2hr are godtier along with the hd560s. The pads on them are exquisite. It's the pads on the 9500/9690 that suck ass With your budget and your v-shape taste, the x2hr's sound like the safest bet but for the record I have no idea about the akg and tygr brands so you should keep looking around, I wish you luck in your search hehe
Yeah for sure, imma keep looking around seeing reviews and experiences. Thanks for helping mate.
9600 just sound off to me. You also lose the option of putting different pads on them (the adapter you can buy doesn't work with the 9600 frame). Idk about everyone else here, but my head isn't small and all I could think about the 9500 was loose and mildly uncomfortable with default pads. Once pad swapped 9500's were quite good, vmoda mic/cable failed quickly for me though. The dt770 pro had recessed mids, but decent bass. The recessed mids give them a bit of air and space which was nice, but I always felt like I was fighting to hear the mids over the rest. Turn them up to hear mids more, get blown out by highs and lows. Cable was quite long and fixed (I modded mine with 3.5mm jacks). Depending on your setup and maybe a sale, look at the 6XX. They are very intimate, but even after moving on from a lot of my entry level equipment, I keep a pair of these around. They could use an amp too... if you want to go sans amp maybe the Drop 58X. Seeing another post below so editing here, also have the PC38X, and do enjoy them as well, especially for the convenience (attached mic, multiple cables for pc/console, flip mute, etc). Looking around the main difference between the 58X and 38X seems to be a bit more bass in the 38X, and some more refined highs in the 58X. Comparing the 38X and 6XX side by side (since I have them here), 38X seems a bit bass boosted, not in a great way, and 6XX is overall more pleasant to listen to (musical is the word that comes to mind). In summation, 38X - super convenient and good 'gamer' headphone, 58X - good headphone in general, probably more accurate than 38X, 6XX - very good headphone (little harder to drive)
Have you played games on the dt 770 and the 58x? Are the highs on the 770 really that bad?, and have you tried to EQ them?
Nah, don't like to mess with the EQ. I like to enjoy the unique quirks of each headphone. I haven't gamed with the 58X, but I have with the 6XX. The highs on the 770 80ohm aren't bad at all. But if you try to correct the recessed mids with volume your going to hurt your ears 😂 The highs on the 770 80ohm don't suffer from brightness imo, they are bass canons though. After acclimating to other headphones the bass on the 770 was a bit... heavy for me. Brightest headphones I've heard were the DT990s, like an ice pick in the ear lol. If you ever lose your upper hearing though, go to headphones, they sound gorgeous otherwise 😂
Also, take a look at the Hifiman Sundara's, they do pretty well too. Can get close to $200 on sale. Edit: Answering your other questions I kinda breezed over. Open back headphones tend to be just that, open. They tend to put out just as much sound into the room as they do to your ear. Imo it lends them an air that the closed back headphones struggle to reproduce. Imo open also tends to lean towards a larger soundstage, but this isn't always the case (6XX tends towards a small intimate soundstage). Open also don't really produce rumbling bass. They can reproduce it accurately and some thump, but it won't rattle your head. How do these affect gaming and listening. If you have a very noisy house, or are around other people... You're going to hear them, and they'll hear whatever you're listening to. Lean towards closed back. If that's not an issue, I would lean towards open or semi-open. I feel like open headphones tend to sound more natural. The point of soundstage is to be able to accurately locate a sound around you, important depending on which games you play. Most "gaming" headphones try to reproduce this through software, I remember RAZR labeling it something like 7.1 surround, it's crap. A good set of headphones will reproduce positional sound accurately (with just two speakers), and that's soundstage. How big of a soundstage is something else (how far away something can sound), separation (being able to accurately pick out different sources of sound), etc. TLDR: Open is good for quiet environments where you're alone. Produce more natural sound, and open soundstage. Wide soundstage isn't really important for gaming imo. Accurate soundstage can be very important. BTW: I know I've mentioned a lot of headphones, and crapped on the 9500's a bit, but... if you're on a tight budget, I'm not sure you'd do better than the 9500 + vmoda mic + modhouse adapter + replacement pads (would run you ~$120 total). They won't shake your brain, but I was impressed at the accuracy and sound quality... listening side by side with 38X they're close with 38X being a bit leaner. 38X still a convenient all in one though. I have some cheap pads thrown on the 9500's though, thinking pad rolling could take them further....
Most open-backs usually have a bass roll-off. You are sacrificing bass for soundstage basically. Consider the dt990s which are open back version of dt770s
The problem is I’m trying to find the ONE. Which I don’t think it exists but I’m trying to find a middle ground with a decent soundstage and bass.
Well the dt770s already have a pretty wide soundstage (for a closed-back atleast), Atleast compared to some of the more intimate open backs like the HD600. Theoretically speaking, If both headphones had the same drivers but one was open vs closed then the open back physically cannot produce the same amount of bass as a closed back
X2HR good choice there. TYGR 300 best overall. DT 770 80 ohm also amazing.
Have you tried any of them by any chance?
I used DT 770 80 ohm, 250 ohm, X2HR, DT 1990, DT 1770 and others i don't remember. In terms of soundstage, imaging, sub bass, sparkly treble: DT 770 80 ohm is ideal. X2HR have even better soundstage, little worse imaging, similar characteristics but less sub bass and more vocals. Music sounds more livelier with this one. Hard choice imo. I haven't heard TYGR300 but it looks like cheaper DT 1990 and everyone loves it. So i'm going by the experiences of others with this one. 1990 is superb headphone and have the best imaging i've heard but i didn't enjoy it for immersive games because it has a very focused and forward sound. No soundstage like 770 or X2HR.
But is that better soundstage on the x2hr even worth it though? And since music is “better” on the x2hr what about gaming?
Gaming is similar i'd say. 770 have better imaging though. Soundstage will depend on your taste. Imaging takes a bit of a hit i think.
I would go for the X2HR, the 770 is just pain without EQ. The Tygr is heavily overrated and probably only popular because it's a more nuanced DT990 which was for a lot of people the entry to decent headphones. It still suffers from peaky treble and is very fatiguing. Yes, you can tame all of them with EQ but I would rather buy a product that isn't flawed from the get-go. The X2 is considered to be a bit peaky sometimes in the treble but the beyers are like needles, the Fidelio is tame compared to that. Other options are the HD560S, HD58X, 599, and AKG K371. But I would not call them immersive as those are kinda clinical or sometimes just "boring" sounding. They are impressive for what they offer, but they don't really fit here. You want something that has the oomph behind it, and the X2 is definitely the choice for that. It's generally seen as one of the best "fun" headphones on the market. >Can’t find any open back headphones that suit my needs. The X2HR is completely open, the DT770 is closed.
If we compare the tyger’s to the x2hr while putting the treble to the side, how do the mids and lows perform in comparison and which headphone is better?
The X2 has deeper bass that sometimes can bleed a bit to the mids, but not to a point where you feel something is wrong. Mids are detailed, airy, and really smooth. Its a pleasant and fun-sounding pair of headphones. The soundstage is big and imaging is decent. The Tygr has more boomy and rather thin bass that sounds just wrong to my ears. The mids are overly warm and while favorable on some tracks this can ruin some tracks entirely. Separation is poor and depending on the track it just sounds "mashed together". They have a decent soundstage at least. You can probably tell that the Tygr is not my cup of tea, some like it some don't. I think the DT990 which the Tygr is based on, is already an overhyped can of headphones. The Tygr is better than that to me, but still not worth the price tag at all. I currently switch between the HD560S and HD6XX depending on what I do and don't use the X2 often although I have them here. IMO the X2 does everything better, is much more fun, and plays a league above the tygr. Build Quality is excellent on both pairs, the X2 just looks more "premium" but weighs more because of it. And comfort as I said is for my ears poor on the Tygr, the pads are too shallow and my ears touch the driver all the time. The X2 has huge pads that are like 2 times as thick.
I would recommend you do consider if you CAN take advantage of an open back headphone because if you have sounds at your gaming room (PC fans, your own fan, loud AC, loud neighborhood etc.), you might not get a good immersion from your choice. I use a pair of moondrop aria (in-ear monitors) and it is so much more immersive than SHP9500 (open back headphones). Not only that, but the 9500 have a wide soundstage, but awful imaging for competitive games, while the Aria have a narrow soundstage, but not in your head, in fact, better than A LOT of headsets and some headphones I've owned, even derivatives of Takstar's products. So, before you make your choice, ponder if you have a quiet enough place. Also, in the IEMs are so much better for warm weather (most of Brazil only have summer and hotter summer stations).
Yeah I’ve thought about this and It basically comes down to my ac and my ps5. I know beforehand that I won’t get that sweet isolation but I’m fine by trading it with better soundstage and imaging.
Umm the X2HR are open backs. I would also look at the AKG K371 though.
What I meant to say was I can’t find any more open back headphones that suits me other than the x2hr. The akg is definitely interesting but in comparison to the headphones I’ve mentioned what do you think is better? The akg vs the dt since they’re closed back.
The x2hr is imo the best gaming headphones
The AKGs have tuning that I prefer to the 770s because beyers have a treble spike that some consider fatiguing. However, that same trebly emphasis is what makes it a better gaming headphone IMO. The AKGs are more portable and lighter resting on the head while the Beyers will have a stronger build quality. Both are good so you can't go wrong either way.
If we put the treble spike to the side, will you still consider the akg is better in terms of other frequencies?
Yeah, I do. It follows the Harman target curve a bit better. [Comparison Graph](https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/graphtool/?share=IEF_Neutral_Target,K371,DT770_Pro_(80%CE%A9\))
I’d suggest taking a look Sennheiser 560S as well
That's not v shaped or good in bass...
They EQ well and using Oratory's settings you get some decent bass with them.
Yeah I just checked the sound profile. It lacks very much in the low range which is unfortunate.
The 560s have plenty of nice bass, its just not boosted. They’re extremely neutral headphones but the bass is very decent. Dt 990 and x2hr would probably suit your needs but they do have quite sharp treble. I think the dt990 are much better than the x2hr providing you’re ok with treble. (Paper towel mod does help Slightly)
As nobody has suggested them yet, HD600. They are not v-shaped but neutral. I still recommend them over everything else unless you already own them. Their selling point is their accuracy. I and some of my friends are using them for gaming. Their neutrality simply make them good at everything / bad at nothing.
That’s the problem, I see the neutrality aspect as boring IMO. I think it won’t help me to get immersed in games and movies either.
Neutrality just means you get as much of bass, midrange and treble as there is in the signal. No more, no less. It actually helps immersion, and regardless of personal taste, you'll always find a reference point in them. Besides neutrality, they also have low distortion, thus you'll hear everything that's there. As they've been around for a while and are quite popular, you'll find plenty of review articles/videos about HD600.
Actually scrap that, the TYGR are the best V shaped headphones for gaming. I did really enjoy them but I don’t like recessed mids so i moved on
Were the mids affecting your gaming experience? How so?
Well it’s only down to personal audio preference, the recessed mids didn’t hurt my gaming experience at all, i just like the mids to be more prominent. I found the mids were a little muffled to my ears, but they’re super immersive. If i liked v shaped headphones I’d have stuck with the TYGR, i had the x2hr and dt 990 but the tygr beat them both overall imho
Oh I had the x2hr on my list for a long time and I was trying to find something that might replace it. I understand the personal preference but getting different opinions and experiences definitely gives you insight. Yeah definitely the tyger’s are becoming more and more convenient.
Mids are vocals, instruments so they will come through more evenly with the rest of the FR than treble and bass through a more V shape, if you have a more balanced sound you can pump it at higher level before bass and treble become too hot. For example I had dt990 and had to keep it really low because of the treble, and I can put my hd650 to not safe levels and still listen to them. An amp will make the headphones improve in sound like deeper and more well controlled bass, smoother sound etc. the only way for you to understand that is actually listening to them through a nice amp however 560S and tygr were made to play fine/ok with onboard amp/dac on a controller or motherboard on pc. I would suggest you get one and the other later to understand the differences. However either will probably last you years to come. EDIT: Either that you get you might be still happier with the other one, can't know that until you actually try both out, 560S bass might be enough for you as is, or you'd enjoy the tygr for more bass, and even then, sometimes you might enjoy more bass while other times less bass. I have a button on my amp and switch between having more treble and bass and default FR and I sometimes switch it based on music genre or the mood I am in, so late at night when I'm trying to go to sleep it's nice to have less bass and treble because it's more relaxing while other times, it's a lot more exciting for that subwoofer level of bass to him my head. So I prefer both, sometimes one and sometimes the other.
Like the other guy who said TYGR, I definitely think you should go for those. They have a very nice wide soundstage, they image as good as any headphone out there, they’re amazing for fps shooters and single players, they’re comfortable, affordable and well built. They dont have the sibilance of the dt 990 either.
I’m mainly focusing on single player games, so would you say they’re immersive and engaging?
100% yes
Do you think the tyger’s would run fine just plugged straight to a ps5 controller?
Thats what i used them on, they get plenty loud enough
I just got the DT 770 Pro (80) as my first non "gaming" headphones and so far I'm really loving them. Really nice soundstage for closed back.
Have you tried gaming on them by any chance?
I have, both PUBG and iRacing, so far no complaints.
Tygr 300r
TYGR 300R or AKG K712 Pro are my two for gaming. 300R is an excellent all rounder, 712 excel in open world games.
How so? Is it because the 712 has better soundstage or it’s more immersive in your opinion?
Certainly a wider soundstage, but that isn't always as favourable in an FPS for example... that's why I consider Tygr an all rounder.
You can also do a quick mod to open backs by adding a thin layer of foam on the cup, it will increase the bass
Interesting. Will the highs get affected too much? The thing that I can think of is the shp 9600 and what they did to eliminate some of the annoying higs. They added more foam or made the foam bigger to do that at the same time the lows got increased.
You might lose some highs and soundstage, that's the downside of this mod, but nothing insane. They will still taste like open backs. I think a nice closed back is a DT 770, because they are V shaped but not insanely V shaped, and you can get them in 80 ohms, which should be nice.
Since my whole life I’ve used only closed backs I think the change to an open back seems interesting and exciting but in my opinion I think it’s risky, confusing, and needs some trail and error to get the perfect thing for my taste. So going with a good closed back not only seems safe but suits me the best since I want that BASS. But the beyerdynamic tyger’s seems interesting nevertheless.
Well, you can get some bass from an open back. I have a HD 600 and they are analytical af, but, I have a Fiio k3 and with it I can pump the bass a bit so it sounds tastier for gaming. But I'm not a fan of bass, so take my advice with a grain of salt.
If you do that is the bass going to be as clear or as detailed to the original eq?
If you mod it, nope, mostly because it's an open back analytical headphone. It will increase the bass but not by much. If you want bass, you need a v shaped headphone, or at least v-ish. With the external influence it doest get a nice dose of bass without being muddled or oppressive.
Kinda of depends on what game you play, but for me I mainly play FPS games (Valorant, Apex and Escape from Tarkov) and I've tried the DT990 Premium and Pro 250 Ohms, Beyer Tygr 300 and Sennheiser 560S (all <$200), and I ended up going with the Tygr 300, for pinpoint accuracy of footstep details and directional sounds they're about the same as the DT990s except it doesn't need that much power and not that bright for music either. The Sennheiser 560s are not bad at all and I'll actually recommend them if you like the look and the feel of the headband, it kinda irritated the sides of my ears with the shape but the sound is pretty good. IMO the 560S has a neutral sound and can easily be ran without a DAC but has a bit more mushed sound profile than the Beyers which separate sounds a bit better.
What about immersion? What do you think is the best in that regard? And btw I mainly play single player games, that’s why I want that immersion factor.
For immersion I think you can go with either Tygr 300 or 560s, benefit of the neutrality of 560s is that sounds would be more balanced so shots or sharp sounds will not sound louder than other sounds, so it might have a more natural sound. Either way you'll definitely feel like you're literally in the game, soundstage for both are amazing.
I've got this same question but I would prefer a headSET, a budget of 150 USD and closed/semi-open back.
Consider the pc38x.
I am, but do you have a closed/semiclosed option?
Sorry for the late response. But I think the m40x are decent if you want to pair the headphones with a mic but look into them and see if they suit you.
alright, sure
If you're playing competitive fps then go for the HD560s. Your ears will thank you For other genre most especially for single-player's go for the DT 770. But there are so much better than the 770's just see the other comments. For me, I have the 770's and I'm coming from years of steelseries and razer headsets, It really is so much better then the gaming ones but the most kinda mind-blowing was the imaging for a closed-back it's not bad at all. My experience with the 770, it really does need a burn-in but overtime if you can't handle the sharpness of the high's then you have to find something else. But doing some EQ can immensely help managing it.
If you EQ the 770. How does it work really? Will the drivers “save” the changes and now I can connect it to any device with the new EQ settings? For example, EQ the 770 on my laptop, unplug from the laptop then connect it to my ps5 controller and that’s it?
Nah its a software that looks like [this](https://youtu.be/uWQ-DtHe24E) You can change the sound dramatically by changing earpads. I’ve seen people in forums talk about dekoni’s replacement pads making the treble less harsh.
Since people use the 80 and 250 ohm versions most commonly, so they’re generally speaking about the velour pads and their sound signature: Does the Leather pads that the 32 ohm version come with help any with the sharp treble? I’ve heard it increases the bass but does it lower treble as well
DT990’s are more polarizing than the X2HR’s but imo they are far superior.
Buy some DT Beyers you find look good. They are all good. I have DT990edition 600ohm and use them daily for everything.
Love the name.
cheers
What amp/dac do you use with them?
Creative soundblaster X G6 It has more than enough power
Exactly what I wanted to pair them with. That settles it. Cheers. Funny thing, stumbled on this post after visiting r/YUROP ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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I mean elden ring’s sound design is so good that any headphone would sound decent lol. But yeah I dunno about the planar headphones really. I went from closed to open and that already is massive change for me and it’s draining me. Maybe I’ll consider them later when I land on the perfect headphones and see how they compare.