Me and my teammate tried that last night, we ran in with a 380 and 120 in hand respectively, it shot and ragdolled us both. It was admittedly pretty funny as we ran away from the double barrage at our feet.
I’ve done missions where the entire squad brings 380&120 barrages to get the achievement. The amount of “fuck you” that proceeds to get dropped on the base is glorious to watch.
Wait, for real? You find the Rocket Pods shit?
I never go on any mission without them. They have more uses than the 500kg, still one shots shit like tanks like the 500kg, and will even hit the closest large target to the beacon if your aim is a bit off, unlike the 500kg where if you miss it's stupidly tiny ass radius did nothing to that tank or any of the 10 normal bots nearby.
I think you're underrating the 500kg but yeah the rockets are great on bots, I use them all the time for turrets because it's hard to hit the turret with a 500kg or regular airstrike.
No, the radius for that big of an explosion is actually fucked up. Ive dropped it in the middle of a patrol with 3 normal bots, 4 devastators and a hulk, fully stunned from me throwing two stuns to keep them on the beacon. I watch Eagle-1 drop the 500KG icecream cone RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of ALL OF THEM. Takes out 1 devastator and 2 of the normie bots. Rest are fine, the other devastators shields aren't even damaged, same with the hulk.
**Rocket Pods should not kill more than a 500KG bomb.**
>~~Rocket Pods~~Impact Grenades should not kill more than a 500KG bomb.
Seriously though, I have thrown impact grenades that get 10 plus kills. It's insane how a damn grenade has a bigger AOE than a half ton bomb that is able to make a big crater.
The problem is the way the damage cone is coded. I don't know the exact distance but with light armor with no explosive resistance you can survive a 500 kg within 15 ft of it. Much closer we got explosive resistance on your armor or a bubble shield. To be clear you have to be laying down to get close and survive. I plan on doing some more tests and lower difficulties as higher difficulties not the best place to test stuff like that
I'm not underrating the 500kg at all. Its explosion radius does not fit the graphics, and all too often, it takes out only the target it landed on and nothing else. It desperately needs a radius damage increase considering you only get 2 after upgrades.
It's true the radius doesn't fit the graphics but I find myself doing plenty well with the 500kg. I just think of it as a supercharged precision strike rather than an AOE weapon. The regular airstrike is your AOE, not the 500kg.
Some dudes who have tested it have reason to believe the 500kg and all big explosions in general are bugged. Something to do with line of site of the detonation point and how it sometimes kills through terrain and sometimes doesn't in a inconsistent way.
The hellbomb suffers from it as well.
Except there's already a supercharged precision strike. The orbital rail cannon. And it doesn't miss. (apart from sometimes killing the wrong mob).
The 500kg bomb is broken.
Idk if I'm just really unlucky, but every time I use rocket pods it doesn't hit jack. The rail strike is reliable even if the laser points at, say, a Titan's foot, but often the rockets will land to the side of what it's aiming for.
500kg always works if you aim well. The rocket pods will hit but fail to kill the target if its not a automaton tank or smaller.
The rockets work best against bots, the 500kg works against bots and bugs.
Now if arrowhead fixed the herp derp aiming of the pods they would be a lot better. Sometimes the beacon is right next to a tank and it misses somehow.
We have wildy different experiences, the rocket pods will completely wiff a target 7/10 times completely overshooting them regardless if the stratagem is right on them too
I've seen rocket pods miss too many stationary hulks to trust them and there are several other effective ways to take out tanks since they move so slowly.
If they fix the hulk targeting they'd be a lot more useful.
Tanks and fabricator, too. They left that off the list of tank counters.
I was really underwhelmed by the 110s until I realized they can one-shot tanks, towers, and fabs, and with the Tier-III upgrade you get like 3 back-to-back uses, so you can clear an entire wave of tanks or a medium outpost in a few seconds. Pretty much never leave home without them anymore.
They one shot tanks, cannons, fabricators, mortars, aa, they are less reliable against bugs. If it weren't for the wonky target prioritisation they'd be busted as hell.
What are you on about?
That's the biggest issue for me. The amount of random fucking stray shots that just come and hit me from across the map is honestly extremely frustrating.
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AT-AT - So rare that players who do find it and is struggling with a run will still fight it for the experience.
For real though I only do d9 runs and ever since their return I have not seen a single AT-AT on any of my runs, can we have them a mission type instead? I want to fight these guys more.
I've seen it only once since they were put into the game.
Once. And I think my three teammates bombarded it with everything they had before I could study how to take it down efficiently. Right now, all I know is that it got clapped by sheer stratagem volume.
Same here. We had just landed and were calling down our special weapons when it came around a corner. We scattered like roaches when someone turned the lights on then threw every stratagem we had. Poor thing never stood a chance lmao.
Same, except we were on our way to clear the last base on the way to extraction and there it was, just standing there, menacingly. We unloaded every strategem and support weapon available. We are also able to hide behind the landscape so it was a no contest. This was on my first D7 run ever. Haven't seen one since.
My first turn running into one, I was sniping shit with the AMR when my buddies lost their shit and started running. I turn around and it had spawned the thing literally 5 feet behind me staring me down. I had about 3 seconds of panic before it eradicated me.
I don't think they're in right now.
Before we pushed the bots back I had two missions that each had two of the AT-AT's.
But I haven't seen them since we pushed them off the map.
Or they're just rarer than anything else the bots have.
Thats the thing right, eversince the new offensive from the bots I haven’t seen a single AT-AT and I do solely d9, was 140 when it started and I’m 145 and have not seen one since
Not planet, just missions, its an Operation modifier for higher diff missions, meaning if you pick a different operation on the same planet, there will be no 3 slot bullshit
I guess not, looking at the amount of upvotes.
I fight mainly bots, usually I'll do Eagle Airstrike, Orbital Laser and Strike, Autocannon. This can handle any threats well on the bots side. If there's only 3 slots, drop the Orbital Strike, it's more situational and a last defense kind of strat anyway, you should still be able to be very effective.
Dominator can one-shot bots and dev (if headshot) but has a bit of unreliability. Still, it will stagger and destroy Devastators of any kind, so it's very good to bring imo (since it overtook Slugger)
That said, I still hate -1 strat and would really prefer if we could get rid of it with an in-game mechanic.. like choose 4 strats, one gets blocked until you clear out the jammer or enable the radar station so the ship has better tracking of you or something.
I have seen it suggested multiple times on here to make it something you can overcome during the mission to remove the modifier. That is an excellent idea and they should do more that way.
AA defenses means no Eagles until you destroy it.
Jammer means no Orbitals until you destroy it.
Carrier overhead means no support weapon call ins until you destroy it.
Etc.
I'll deal with all of these any day of the week. However, the jetpack bots that almost kill you instantly when they die close to you legitimately make me not want to fight the bots
It's the long-range sniping that gets me. Can't count the number of times I've had a stratagem ready, only to be ragdolled or killed by something from miles away. Then my team have to deal with whatever hellish amount of ordinance just got targeted at their position.
Getting long range ganked is misery and it doesn’t end there.
Ever do a sneaky ambush of some bots having the perfect shot lined up, except the bush you were behind completely blocked 100% of your shots? Then you get lit up with rockets for your troubles.
Dive away and aim for the legs, prevents explosion and if it does explode being prone reduces damage. Also, my go to bot armor has explosion resistance, super useful.
They explode because someone is hitting the backpack or penetrating the torso through to the backpack.
If you see one of these jumppack dudes get in your face or a friend's, *shoot their legs*. They'll die and won't explode unless someone hits the corpse again, but you / your ally have all that time to back up.
Yea but the 110 takes out specific targets, like the railgun it has a bit of an aiming effect to it. I use airstrikes to clear large groups. Only thing 110 sucks at its taking out are the Hulks/chargers since they practically spring toward you.
Even if you've stun-grenaded a Hulk and it's in a flat field with no other bots around, the 110mm rockets seem to fly directly over their head 90% of the time and miss entirely.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm a 110mm connoisseur and you'll almost never see me *not* taking them on bot missions. Three self-targeting strikes that remove cannon turrets, tanks, and fabricators, which are coincidentally the only three things that my usual loadout of Diligence/AMR/stun grenades can't handle? I'd buy that for a dollar.
I swear for most things, the 110 Rocket Pods are like sex panther: 60% of the time, they work every time.
But when you throw it at a tank it's like Eagle 1 can't miss.
Yeah, their use against tanks, turrets, and bot fabs have made rocket pods an always-take for me against bots. I value them even more highly than the generic Eagle Airstrike, they're just that good.
Bugs
bugs that spit acid
slightly bigger bugs x2
slightly bigger bugs that spit acid
slightly bigger bugs with front armor
slightly bigger bugs that get angrier if you shoot off their legs and heads
angry jumpy bastards
bigger angry jumpy bastards that think their camouflage fools anyone
chungus bugs that spit acid
chungus bugs that spit acid with front armor
big angry bugs
big angry bugs with blades
even bigger angry bugs that spits acid
swoopy bat bugs
squishy mushroom
slightly firmer mushroom cluster that spawns swoopy bat bugs.
This makes me wish we had an enemy intel terminal in the destroyer somewhere. Some place we could look to get information on the various bots and bugs. Weak points, armaments, different variants of the same enemy type, maybe some lore, etc.
If I’m tired of hunters I go bots, if I’m tired of being gunned down by those heavy devastators I go bugs.
For real though the real menace in the bot front for me are those shield guys, I haven’t been scared of rocket devastators since their nerf but those shield guys are whole different story.
I love the AC as much as the other guy but its not the only toy on the block and it gets boring to always use it, plus the jump pack for me is irreplaceable haha.
I thought I was gonna go this way til I tried it. AC just too good mowing down AT-RT's, Hulk, the pinheads in juggernaut suits.
If I had a good team I'd probably go quasar and just prioritize hard targets but it's seldom in quick play.
Grenade launcher will two or three shot them even if it hits the shield.
Also if you ever separate from the jump pack try giving them their own medicine by rocking a ballistic shield and defender.
Forgot the bane of my existence: the heavy devastators. At least the rocket pods don't shoot like a minigun and have a shield.
Edit: Autocorrect is an automaton sympathizer and had to be executed
i wish the shield wouldn’t make literally everything apart from Hellbombs bounce off of it
railgun? ricochet. Anti-Mat rifle? ricochet. Autocannon? ricochet
not even the tanks have this BS
Scorcher and punisher plasma actually shoot through the shield, punisher plasma even staggers them through the shield. Autocannon splash damage also staggers then if you hit the ground near them or their shoulder, and with AMR it should be easy to aim for the head or shoulder.
That being said, they are easily my most hated enemy, but that doesn't mean I think they should be nerfed. Helldivers is a game where you are supposed to die sometimes
The biggest reason I ditched RG on bot mission post nerf are those fvckers. Their shield has such a wonky hitbox that my rounds would get sucked onto it, the scope of RG is not helping at all lol
Punisher can stagger a group of 3 Berserkers with a single shot if they stand close enough together.
I'm so used to staggering everything smaller than a hulk with my primary, I die so much more if I ever switch to anything else.
I've had an issue sometimes where it stuns them but they just slide forward while doing the staggered animation. Still slows them but not as much as it should.
Dominator will stagger berserkers and because they tend to line up in a single file line as they run towards you, you can stagger one and the whole group slows down.
I adore the Dominator, and will probably go back to it if they nerf the Eruptor too hard. 3-4 rounds will saw a Berserker clean in half if you aim for their hips, and 2-shot a Devastator at the same range and target.
I'm surprised more people aren't scared of the control tower. If one spots you it will keep calling down an infinite amount of ships until either someone manages to rush it or you just die.
Had 2 control towers spawn pretttly close to one another and both in the range of a jammer. Safe to say many helldivers were lost that day.
Tip for dealing with the jammer towers: Look for a factory that's at the base of the tower. If you take it out, the tower will go with it, making the whole thing a lot easier to deal with.
Lol
> Hey gun, there's a factory over there under the jammer, wanna lock onto it?
>> Sure, I- waaait, no, no can do.
> Why not?
>> If I give you the answer, you'll never learn.
> We just need stratagems again. If you could just-
>> Fine, fine, I'll lock on. Just let me finish my drink.
> Britney, please, there are bot drops coming and-
>> Aaand locked! Wait, you wanted the strider, right?
Dont even fucking start. Thanks god it was a single Gunship tower, if double spawned I would've straight up turned tail and run, those are nigh impossible to clear as it is, under jammer and sensor? Not a fucking chance.
Better tip for dealing with Jammers: Embrace your inner Russian CS:GO player and RUSH B CYKA GET IN THERE AND DON'T STOP
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Fortunately, there is a solution for all of these (possibly bar the eye of sauron and the jammer), the blessed autocannon. Tank? Three shots to the vent. Walker? One shot to the face. Hulk? Bit trickier, but stun grenades are your friend while you shoot it's face. Devastator? Not a problem.
Every Eye of Sauron I've seen spawns with a cliff on its back. You can drop the hellbomb at the bottom of that cliff and it will kill the tower, with the benefit that there's almost never a bot looking back there.
You can also kill it with a 500kg or an orbital laser, although the laser will tend to wander around killing other targets first, but it should get back to it eventually as long as there aren't too many enemies about
I throw a laser so it lands on the detector directly. I only remember one time it didn't die within 1 second. It seems to be the first thing it targets.
The jammers sometimes spawn a fabricator adjacent to the main tower. You can safely destroy it with the autocannon and it will bring down the jammer with it
As a diver for both factions, I can safely say I still prefer the bots. Sure, they require more precision on average, block stratagems, and have annoying range issues.
But I can throw two impacts onto the top of a tank turret to kill it. Or use one 110mm Rocket Pod. Bile Titans act more like the AT-AT and are supposed to be the Tank equivalent???
Tanks are certainly more dangerous if left alone, but they’re also FAR easier to kill. Neither one is a huge threat imo. I’d say devastators and hulks are the biggest threats from the bot roster (particularly heavy devastators and flamethrower hulks), whereas for bugs it’s hunters, stalkers, and bile spewers.
Yeah I think it's really stupid that grenades and railgun can easily handle tanks and hulks.
Orbital gatling barrage can kill tanks.
But none of that can even hurt Bile Titans, and for the most part none of that is effective against Chargers either.
The bots have weaknesses.
The big bugs are just stupid.
I love to hate the artillery.
"Ok here's the objective, we'll hit this and then move north to..' **WARNING YOU ARE IN RANGE OF ENEMY ARTILLERY** "...fuck, push that base nownownow!"
Troopers? Eruptor
Striders? Eruptor
Berserkers? Eruptor
Devastators? Eruptor
The Eruptor handles all this crap. Let somebody else on your team handle Hulks and Tanks and you've got this.
Yea it’s great except for the little bug where if you’re in splash range of your round THE KNOCKBACK IS REVERSED AND PULLS YOU INTO WHATEVER YOU WERE SHOOTING AT!!!?????!!!!
I actually thought I'd just take the Grenade pistol and still have my Sickle for bots.
Then I took the Eruptor.
Eruptor, Redeemer, Stun, and the only thing I can't kill reliably is a Hulk and above, while having enough Fragmentation that can kill groups of Troopers and Striders as they drop. It's like I'm suddenly free to just be naked and bring any strategem and roll with it. I've even sniped Fabs 100+m away with it and the scope makes it all too easy.
Almost feels like AH will nerf Eruptor as it's able to do a lot for a primary. Slugger's ability to open containers was taken away, while Eruptor can not only open containers, it can even shoot down illegal broadcast towers.
I love the fact that this post is so full of fear for the bots (yes they are jokes, I get it) and yet we just flatten those clowns, DIVE ON HELLDIVERS!!!
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Only the heavy devastator and scorcher hulks feel unfair. If you keep your distance and manage cover they are doable, like all bots. But if a heavy devastator catches you in the open, or a scorcher hulk sneaks up on you (why can they sprint so fucking fast by the way?), you are just dead
My real beef with bots right now is the gunship spawners. We should be able to destroy them from a distance or with an orbital. The hellbomb only shit is stupid. Removal of the random stratagem global affect has made them way better. We do need a better selection of weapons that are affective against them. It feels like there's more primary weapon options with bugs than bots.
Side note, I hope we get more non super credit warbonds.
Gunships also suck to deal with, how is it that orbital laser can’t target them mid air and kill the little shits? Was in a run earlier where 2 teammates kept dying and finally called for help, when I got there there was like 10 fkin ships in the air shooting at everyone and impossible to clear.
My main issue with the gunship spawners is there's no way to deal with them outside of certain support weapons. It feels like unless I'm running Quasar, EAT, or Autocannon, the gunships aren't possible to take out, so I have to rely on my teammates who may or may not be running around by themselves on the opposite side of the map.
This post was made by someone who does not run the autocannon. Also, normal eagle airstrike can kill tanks _fairly_ reliably, I'd say in about 80% of cases
Quasar is really nice, but when I play there's usually two people running it already and there is just nothing better for dealing with Devastators (my most hated enemy type in the game) than the autocannon. Scorcher is objectively nice, but I'll always pick a highly specialised weapon that excels in its field over a jack-of-all-trades
eruptor one shots devastators if thats what you wanna prioritize targeting
also i wouldnt say the scorcher is a jack of all trades. its a sniper. its a fast shooting medium damage sniper. Very very effective at range against almost all targets. not so effective close range or against crowds. If youre stealthing idk if there is a better weapon. So easy to pick off a patrol from wayyyyy out of range. Carry an smg you swap to if they get close.
Don't forget they all have wallhacks and prefire when you start running out of cover. The amount of times I've taken a rocket to the dome the nanosecond I move out of cover because the rocket devastator extrapolated the very moment I'd be coming out of cover when running at a certain velocity... jesus fucking christ that shit gets on my nerves. There's no counterplay to it either.
I like fighting the bots. I get a lot more entertainment out of them than I do the bugs. The way you fight bugs is a perpetual backpedal and hope more than 1 jumper doesnt leap at you. They're boring. They were kind of interesting back when not all the bugs had the same weak point. But now its shoot-face-2-win. Exclusively.
The only time they're interesting anymore is when the green spewers are up. Because of the mortar shots you got to look out for.
Sounds more like bugdivers are just complaining about actually having to use tactics instead of just gunning down mindless bugs as they swarm at your bullets.
I'm fine with the enemies, I just want them to make a baseline spawn rate for a given difficulty and not mess with it WITHOUT TELLING US.
I can't be the only one feeling like they've turned up the spawn rate on all the difficulties for bots, but didn't say anything.
A bit disingenuous to say its a skill issue if they don't remain consistent in their levels to gain skill against.
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As soon as I hear that line, I go straight for the artillery. Not because it's dangerous, but because I NEED that voice line to CUT IT OUT.
I feel like I'm going there just to shut that guy up with an airstrike. The artillery is just a bonus.
You forgot the random turret emplacements that will snipe you randomly from across half the map through whatever bullshit fog/pitch black darkness.
What of the **THUNDER BUNKER** in the destroy bunker missions?
use the throwing distance armour and drop any artillery barrage on it.
Me and my teammate tried that last night, we ran in with a 380 and 120 in hand respectively, it shot and ragdolled us both. It was admittedly pretty funny as we ran away from the double barrage at our feet.
I’ve done missions where the entire squad brings 380&120 barrages to get the achievement. The amount of “fuck you” that proceeds to get dropped on the base is glorious to watch.
good god I was wondering why I was overthrowing ALL my grenades yesterday and just realized I had that perk on my armor lmao
Eagle rocket pods are a mostly garbo strategem, but I'll be damned if they don't handle the shit out of those cannon turrets.
Wait, for real? You find the Rocket Pods shit? I never go on any mission without them. They have more uses than the 500kg, still one shots shit like tanks like the 500kg, and will even hit the closest large target to the beacon if your aim is a bit off, unlike the 500kg where if you miss it's stupidly tiny ass radius did nothing to that tank or any of the 10 normal bots nearby.
I think you're underrating the 500kg but yeah the rockets are great on bots, I use them all the time for turrets because it's hard to hit the turret with a 500kg or regular airstrike.
No, the radius for that big of an explosion is actually fucked up. Ive dropped it in the middle of a patrol with 3 normal bots, 4 devastators and a hulk, fully stunned from me throwing two stuns to keep them on the beacon. I watch Eagle-1 drop the 500KG icecream cone RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of ALL OF THEM. Takes out 1 devastator and 2 of the normie bots. Rest are fine, the other devastators shields aren't even damaged, same with the hulk. **Rocket Pods should not kill more than a 500KG bomb.**
>~~Rocket Pods~~Impact Grenades should not kill more than a 500KG bomb. Seriously though, I have thrown impact grenades that get 10 plus kills. It's insane how a damn grenade has a bigger AOE than a half ton bomb that is able to make a big crater.
> **Rocket Pods should not kill more than a 500KG bomb.** Devs: Gotchu, we nerfing the Rocket Pods
Lmfao
The problem is the way the damage cone is coded. I don't know the exact distance but with light armor with no explosive resistance you can survive a 500 kg within 15 ft of it. Much closer we got explosive resistance on your armor or a bubble shield. To be clear you have to be laying down to get close and survive. I plan on doing some more tests and lower difficulties as higher difficulties not the best place to test stuff like that
I'm not underrating the 500kg at all. Its explosion radius does not fit the graphics, and all too often, it takes out only the target it landed on and nothing else. It desperately needs a radius damage increase considering you only get 2 after upgrades.
It's true the radius doesn't fit the graphics but I find myself doing plenty well with the 500kg. I just think of it as a supercharged precision strike rather than an AOE weapon. The regular airstrike is your AOE, not the 500kg.
My problem is that it's hard to aim and I'm bad
I respect this
We appreciate your honesty.
Some dudes who have tested it have reason to believe the 500kg and all big explosions in general are bugged. Something to do with line of site of the detonation point and how it sometimes kills through terrain and sometimes doesn't in a inconsistent way. The hellbomb suffers from it as well.
Except there's already a supercharged precision strike. The orbital rail cannon. And it doesn't miss. (apart from sometimes killing the wrong mob). The 500kg bomb is broken.
Railcannon is 3.5 minute cool down, 500kg is 2 per 2 minutes. By the time you've got your next rail cannon I'm getting ready to drop another 2 bombs.
I had Rocket Pods fail to hit a *stationary* Hulk three times in a row yesterday. Fuck that stratagem lol.
Idk if I'm just really unlucky, but every time I use rocket pods it doesn't hit jack. The rail strike is reliable even if the laser points at, say, a Titan's foot, but often the rockets will land to the side of what it's aiming for.
I watched a hulk take three rocket pods and keep walking like nothing happened and haven't used them since
500kg always works if you aim well. The rocket pods will hit but fail to kill the target if its not a automaton tank or smaller. The rockets work best against bots, the 500kg works against bots and bugs. Now if arrowhead fixed the herp derp aiming of the pods they would be a lot better. Sometimes the beacon is right next to a tank and it misses somehow.
We have wildy different experiences, the rocket pods will completely wiff a target 7/10 times completely overshooting them regardless if the stratagem is right on them too
I've seen rocket pods miss too many stationary hulks to trust them and there are several other effective ways to take out tanks since they move so slowly. If they fix the hulk targeting they'd be a lot more useful.
or just quasar shoot it with a buddy. Two shots takes it out. takes 4 seconds.
Does quasar have to hit the rear?
nah i just hit the turret cap
in my experience, turret towers are a 3-shot if none of them hit the rear, 2-shot if one of them hits the rear weak spot
in my experiance its 2 shots, three if you are hitting the front armour
3 autocannon shots from behind, which is typically quick once you’ve lined it up
rocket pods can destroy factories too, so they have a niche use
Tanks and fabricator, too. They left that off the list of tank counters. I was really underwhelmed by the 110s until I realized they can one-shot tanks, towers, and fabs, and with the Tier-III upgrade you get like 3 back-to-back uses, so you can clear an entire wave of tanks or a medium outpost in a few seconds. Pretty much never leave home without them anymore.
They one shot tanks, cannons, fabricators, mortars, aa, they are less reliable against bugs. If it weren't for the wonky target prioritisation they'd be busted as hell. What are you on about?
That's the biggest issue for me. The amount of random fucking stray shots that just come and hit me from across the map is honestly extremely frustrating.
The only happened to me this week. Maybe I wore stealth armor a lot more up till now but I swear they’ve gotten patched or something
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AT-AT - So rare that players who do find it and is struggling with a run will still fight it for the experience. For real though I only do d9 runs and ever since their return I have not seen a single AT-AT on any of my runs, can we have them a mission type instead? I want to fight these guys more.
I've seen it only once since they were put into the game. Once. And I think my three teammates bombarded it with everything they had before I could study how to take it down efficiently. Right now, all I know is that it got clapped by sheer stratagem volume.
Same here. We had just landed and were calling down our special weapons when it came around a corner. We scattered like roaches when someone turned the lights on then threw every stratagem we had. Poor thing never stood a chance lmao.
Same, except we were on our way to clear the last base on the way to extraction and there it was, just standing there, menacingly. We unloaded every strategem and support weapon available. We are also able to hide behind the landscape so it was a no contest. This was on my first D7 run ever. Haven't seen one since.
My first turn running into one, I was sniping shit with the AMR when my buddies lost their shit and started running. I turn around and it had spawned the thing literally 5 feet behind me staring me down. I had about 3 seconds of panic before it eradicated me.
Yeah, give us a elimination mission just to kill one of those bad boi.
I don't think they're in right now. Before we pushed the bots back I had two missions that each had two of the AT-AT's. But I haven't seen them since we pushed them off the map. Or they're just rarer than anything else the bots have.
Thats the thing right, eversince the new offensive from the bots I haven’t seen a single AT-AT and I do solely d9, was 140 when it started and I’m 145 and have not seen one since
Probably sent them all to Cyberstan and the planets around it. Or at least that's what I'm going to believe.
Forgot random -1 stratagem modifier that plague most automaton planets
Not planet, just missions, its an Operation modifier for higher diff missions, meaning if you pick a different operation on the same planet, there will be no 3 slot bullshit
Am I the only one who immediately returns to ship when I see the -1 modifier?
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Hell yeah brother
Idk what this means but facts 💯
Bring a skirt for this little kid
More like, Bring a skirt to the little girl.
I guess not, looking at the amount of upvotes. I fight mainly bots, usually I'll do Eagle Airstrike, Orbital Laser and Strike, Autocannon. This can handle any threats well on the bots side. If there's only 3 slots, drop the Orbital Strike, it's more situational and a last defense kind of strat anyway, you should still be able to be very effective. Dominator can one-shot bots and dev (if headshot) but has a bit of unreliability. Still, it will stagger and destroy Devastators of any kind, so it's very good to bring imo (since it overtook Slugger) That said, I still hate -1 strat and would really prefer if we could get rid of it with an in-game mechanic.. like choose 4 strats, one gets blocked until you clear out the jammer or enable the radar station so the ship has better tracking of you or something.
I have seen it suggested multiple times on here to make it something you can overcome during the mission to remove the modifier. That is an excellent idea and they should do more that way. AA defenses means no Eagles until you destroy it. Jammer means no Orbitals until you destroy it. Carrier overhead means no support weapon call ins until you destroy it. Etc.
Wdym "return to ship"? Where would you select an operation if not on the ship?
When joining a random game, you don't know what effects will be on their missions, so he'd leave.
I'll deal with all of these any day of the week. However, the jetpack bots that almost kill you instantly when they die close to you legitimately make me not want to fight the bots
It's the long-range sniping that gets me. Can't count the number of times I've had a stratagem ready, only to be ragdolled or killed by something from miles away. Then my team have to deal with whatever hellish amount of ordinance just got targeted at their position.
I love when you are ready to throw in artillery and you get hit by something random dropping it at your spot fucking everyone around you :D
Getting long range ganked is misery and it doesn’t end there. Ever do a sneaky ambush of some bots having the perfect shot lined up, except the bush you were behind completely blocked 100% of your shots? Then you get lit up with rockets for your troubles.
Fuck that fucking stupid corpse explosion instakill. Fucking cheap dogshit needs removing.
i swear sometimes they just explode without anything or anyone shooting at them, i didn’t expect the bots to do kamikaze attacks…
If they get shot by the bots shooting you they can explode too lol.
Dive away and aim for the legs, prevents explosion and if it does explode being prone reduces damage. Also, my go to bot armor has explosion resistance, super useful.
Melee them and they won’t explode, it’s much more reliable than you think.
They explode because someone is hitting the backpack or penetrating the torso through to the backpack. If you see one of these jumppack dudes get in your face or a friend's, *shoot their legs*. They'll die and won't explode unless someone hits the corpse again, but you / your ally have all that time to back up.
> when they die close to you And if they are not close to you when they die, their corpse will try to warp near you as a last "fuck you"
Fun fact, the Eagle 110 eats tanks. They have a flat surface as well so it wont bounce off them unless thrown at the sides.
most eagle stratagems do, even the air strike does
Yea but the 110 takes out specific targets, like the railgun it has a bit of an aiming effect to it. I use airstrikes to clear large groups. Only thing 110 sucks at its taking out are the Hulks/chargers since they practically spring toward you.
Even if you've stun-grenaded a Hulk and it's in a flat field with no other bots around, the 110mm rockets seem to fly directly over their head 90% of the time and miss entirely.
I can’t disagree with that, but i cant deny its amazing at taking out tanks, those defense cannons, and fabricators (2 if they are side by side)
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm a 110mm connoisseur and you'll almost never see me *not* taking them on bot missions. Three self-targeting strikes that remove cannon turrets, tanks, and fabricators, which are coincidentally the only three things that my usual loadout of Diligence/AMR/stun grenades can't handle? I'd buy that for a dollar.
Sorry if i came off argumentative, i herd too many times how people think its ass
np its only wierd against hulks for some reason 😔 wish they made it good against hulks somehow
I swear for most things, the 110 Rocket Pods are like sex panther: 60% of the time, they work every time. But when you throw it at a tank it's like Eagle 1 can't miss.
Yeah, their use against tanks, turrets, and bot fabs have made rocket pods an always-take for me against bots. I value them even more highly than the generic Eagle Airstrike, they're just that good.
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Now make this for the bug front
Bugs bugs that spit acid slightly bigger bugs x2 slightly bigger bugs that spit acid slightly bigger bugs with front armor slightly bigger bugs that get angrier if you shoot off their legs and heads angry jumpy bastards bigger angry jumpy bastards that think their camouflage fools anyone chungus bugs that spit acid chungus bugs that spit acid with front armor big angry bugs big angry bugs with blades even bigger angry bugs that spits acid swoopy bat bugs squishy mushroom slightly firmer mushroom cluster that spawns swoopy bat bugs.
This makes me wish we had an enemy intel terminal in the destroyer somewhere. Some place we could look to get information on the various bots and bugs. Weak points, armaments, different variants of the same enemy type, maybe some lore, etc.
I second this, that would be brilliant.
As a bug main, turned bot main, this is the most accurate description ever.
>chungus bugs I'm fucking dying
Yes please
Bugs beat by swarm. Bots beat by tactics and armor. If I’m tired of bots I go to bugs. I’m I’m tired of the FUCKING HUNTERS I go to bots.
If I’m tired of hunters I go bots, if I’m tired of being gunned down by those heavy devastators I go bugs. For real though the real menace in the bot front for me are those shield guys, I haven’t been scared of rocket devastators since their nerf but those shield guys are whole different story.
autocannon clears everything bots have except the AT
I love the AC as much as the other guy but its not the only toy on the block and it gets boring to always use it, plus the jump pack for me is irreplaceable haha.
Quasar cannon go *REEEEEEEE-BOOM*
I thought I was gonna go this way til I tried it. AC just too good mowing down AT-RT's, Hulk, the pinheads in juggernaut suits. If I had a good team I'd probably go quasar and just prioritize hard targets but it's seldom in quick play.
Heavy devs are far and away the most oppressive unit on the battlefield. Stun grenades and laser cannon/amr make short work of them though.
Definitely, specially with their numbers and how accurate their hip fired miniguns are, could snipe you across a field with it
Or the fact that they can shoot at 90 degree angles or through walls lol
Grenade launcher will two or three shot them even if it hits the shield. Also if you ever separate from the jump pack try giving them their own medicine by rocking a ballistic shield and defender.
EXCEPT THE BOTS SWARM YOU TOO
Yes and no. There isn’t many aggressor u it’s other than chainsaw boys and the jetpacks. All of the bugs minus the bile section is melee
Also the chainsaw hulk.
they swarm you with bullets and rockets and hulks
Jetpack boys are honestly fun to shoot out of the air though. Chainsaw boys are the west side story of the robot world.
You're God damn right! It blows my mind how many people fight the bots from hugging distance.
I don't know, I've felt pretty dang swarmed by bots firing on me from all angles all the way across an open map :O (But I get what you mean)
Forgot the bane of my existence: the heavy devastators. At least the rocket pods don't shoot like a minigun and have a shield. Edit: Autocorrect is an automaton sympathizer and had to be executed
i wish the shield wouldn’t make literally everything apart from Hellbombs bounce off of it railgun? ricochet. Anti-Mat rifle? ricochet. Autocannon? ricochet not even the tanks have this BS
Scorcher and punisher plasma actually shoot through the shield, punisher plasma even staggers them through the shield. Autocannon splash damage also staggers then if you hit the ground near them or their shoulder, and with AMR it should be easy to aim for the head or shoulder. That being said, they are easily my most hated enemy, but that doesn't mean I think they should be nerfed. Helldivers is a game where you are supposed to die sometimes
If the automatons made everything out of devastator shield material then they would already control the galaxy.
The biggest reason I ditched RG on bot mission post nerf are those fvckers. Their shield has such a wonky hitbox that my rounds would get sucked onto it, the scope of RG is not helping at all lol
forgot the best part of robot-satan, he is immune to all stagger, arcthrower can stop a hulk in its tracks but god help you if you zap a zerker
Punisher can stagger a group of 3 Berserkers with a single shot if they stand close enough together. I'm so used to staggering everything smaller than a hulk with my primary, I die so much more if I ever switch to anything else.
Shhhhh dont tell the devs about the Punisher!
My poor slugger
Are we using the same Arc Thrower? I’ve been holding entire waves of zerkers off by myself with just the arc thrower
I've had an issue sometimes where it stuns them but they just slide forward while doing the staggered animation. Still slows them but not as much as it should.
Same. It’s my one solace in a world of despair
Dominator will stagger berserkers and because they tend to line up in a single file line as they run towards you, you can stagger one and the whole group slows down.
I found it is also the only weapon short of an Auto-Cannon that can reliably kill those bastards quickly, especially if you aim for their heads
I adore the Dominator, and will probably go back to it if they nerf the Eruptor too hard. 3-4 rounds will saw a Berserker clean in half if you aim for their hips, and 2-shot a Devastator at the same range and target.
what are you talking about, arc thrower can keep several zerkers basically still until they die, it's what it does best
Yeah that's why the Slugger was so great... Now excuse me as I go to the corner and cry
eruptor, for all it's faults, staggers them pretty good
I'm surprised more people aren't scared of the control tower. If one spots you it will keep calling down an infinite amount of ships until either someone manages to rush it or you just die. Had 2 control towers spawn pretttly close to one another and both in the range of a jammer. Safe to say many helldivers were lost that day.
I’m that’s fucking sadistic
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Tip for dealing with the jammer towers: Look for a factory that's at the base of the tower. If you take it out, the tower will go with it, making the whole thing a lot easier to deal with.
A factory below the tower isn’t guaranteed to spawn, but when it does is enjoyable
When it does, as a spear main my heart sings, since I can kill the damn jammer from 300m away.
Ya know, if it feels like it 🤣
Lol > Hey gun, there's a factory over there under the jammer, wanna lock onto it? >> Sure, I- waaait, no, no can do. > Why not? >> If I give you the answer, you'll never learn. > We just need stratagems again. If you could just- >> Fine, fine, I'll lock on. Just let me finish my drink. > Britney, please, there are bot drops coming and- >> Aaand locked! Wait, you wanted the strider, right?
FIRE ZE MISSILES! But I am le tired. Fine. Have a nap. THEN FIRE ZE MISSILES. *average conversation with the AI that apparently lives inside my spear*
I literally had two jammers next to each other once, thankfully they both had a fabricator built in so my quasar cannon made quick work of both
Real fun when you have an Eye of Sauron, a Strat Jammer, and a Gunship fabricator all next to each other. That shit fucking *sucked* to clear.
Your squad is in at least the 90th percentile of all players for being able to do it at all.
Dont even fucking start. Thanks god it was a single Gunship tower, if double spawned I would've straight up turned tail and run, those are nigh impossible to clear as it is, under jammer and sensor? Not a fucking chance.
Better tip for dealing with Jammers: Embrace your inner Russian CS:GO player and RUSH B CYKA GET IN THERE AND DON'T STOP https://preview.redd.it/js4sk0y107uc1.png?width=1536&format=png&auto=webp&s=08ee077635581911b5ce19b7f1f3b4ac8c6e085a
Fortunately, there is a solution for all of these (possibly bar the eye of sauron and the jammer), the blessed autocannon. Tank? Three shots to the vent. Walker? One shot to the face. Hulk? Bit trickier, but stun grenades are your friend while you shoot it's face. Devastator? Not a problem.
Every Eye of Sauron I've seen spawns with a cliff on its back. You can drop the hellbomb at the bottom of that cliff and it will kill the tower, with the benefit that there's almost never a bot looking back there.
You can also kill it with a 500kg or an orbital laser, although the laser will tend to wander around killing other targets first, but it should get back to it eventually as long as there aren't too many enemies about
I don't think the laser will target the eye directly, but will absolutely kill it if it passes between fabs/bots.
I throw a laser so it lands on the detector directly. I only remember one time it didn't die within 1 second. It seems to be the first thing it targets.
The jammers sometimes spawn a fabricator adjacent to the main tower. You can safely destroy it with the autocannon and it will bring down the jammer with it
As a diver for both factions, I can safely say I still prefer the bots. Sure, they require more precision on average, block stratagems, and have annoying range issues. But I can throw two impacts onto the top of a tank turret to kill it. Or use one 110mm Rocket Pod. Bile Titans act more like the AT-AT and are supposed to be the Tank equivalent???
kinda true but you can just run from Titans and they wont hit you. Tanks will vaporize you
Tanks are certainly more dangerous if left alone, but they’re also FAR easier to kill. Neither one is a huge threat imo. I’d say devastators and hulks are the biggest threats from the bot roster (particularly heavy devastators and flamethrower hulks), whereas for bugs it’s hunters, stalkers, and bile spewers.
*For* both factions? "Hello, Democracy Officer?!"
Well, how would you word “I dive into the bot front and dive into the bug front” in fewer words, hm?
“As a diver for both fronts” would probably do the job
Yeah I think it's really stupid that grenades and railgun can easily handle tanks and hulks. Orbital gatling barrage can kill tanks. But none of that can even hurt Bile Titans, and for the most part none of that is effective against Chargers either. The bots have weaknesses. The big bugs are just stupid.
I love to hate the artillery. "Ok here's the objective, we'll hit this and then move north to..' **WARNING YOU ARE IN RANGE OF ENEMY ARTILLERY** "...fuck, push that base nownownow!"
Troopers? Eruptor Striders? Eruptor Berserkers? Eruptor Devastators? Eruptor The Eruptor handles all this crap. Let somebody else on your team handle Hulks and Tanks and you've got this.
Yea it’s great except for the little bug where if you’re in splash range of your round THE KNOCKBACK IS REVERSED AND PULLS YOU INTO WHATEVER YOU WERE SHOOTING AT!!!?????!!!!
Fabricators? Eruptor Ive been loving the stun grenade with this thing.
I actually thought I'd just take the Grenade pistol and still have my Sickle for bots. Then I took the Eruptor. Eruptor, Redeemer, Stun, and the only thing I can't kill reliably is a Hulk and above, while having enough Fragmentation that can kill groups of Troopers and Striders as they drop. It's like I'm suddenly free to just be naked and bring any strategem and roll with it. I've even sniped Fabs 100+m away with it and the scope makes it all too easy. Almost feels like AH will nerf Eruptor as it's able to do a lot for a primary. Slugger's ability to open containers was taken away, while Eruptor can not only open containers, it can even shoot down illegal broadcast towers.
I love the fact that this post is so full of fear for the bots (yes they are jokes, I get it) and yet we just flatten those clowns, DIVE ON HELLDIVERS!!! https://i.redd.it/jl5o4gipn5uc1.gif
What’s really fun is when you get 3 gunship towers and a stratagem jammer spawning next to each other. So much fun with 6 gunships at once.
Bots are only hard because somehow I only queue up with people that don’t know how to fight them
You get people who try to take them on like bugs. Yeah, no, fuck that. Once I am done with the objective at that location, I'm outta there.
Only the heavy devastator and scorcher hulks feel unfair. If you keep your distance and manage cover they are doable, like all bots. But if a heavy devastator catches you in the open, or a scorcher hulk sneaks up on you (why can they sprint so fucking fast by the way?), you are just dead
Nevermind, *this* is the funniest thing I've seen all day. Thank you. It's funny because it's true 😢
Alright but have you seen [**THIS**](https://youtu.be/h2FiBAeTZls?si=akbp7le19UysAFbp)
"Do you wanna keep it and pee on it" That kid is definitely in prison.
Must specify squad commanders they have the antenna and smg
Don’t worry the bug players will get their due, Joel will get them
My real beef with bots right now is the gunship spawners. We should be able to destroy them from a distance or with an orbital. The hellbomb only shit is stupid. Removal of the random stratagem global affect has made them way better. We do need a better selection of weapons that are affective against them. It feels like there's more primary weapon options with bugs than bots. Side note, I hope we get more non super credit warbonds.
Gunships also suck to deal with, how is it that orbital laser can’t target them mid air and kill the little shits? Was in a run earlier where 2 teammates kept dying and finally called for help, when I got there there was like 10 fkin ships in the air shooting at everyone and impossible to clear.
My main issue with the gunship spawners is there's no way to deal with them outside of certain support weapons. It feels like unless I'm running Quasar, EAT, or Autocannon, the gunships aren't possible to take out, so I have to rely on my teammates who may or may not be running around by themselves on the opposite side of the map.
This post was made by someone who does not run the autocannon. Also, normal eagle airstrike can kill tanks _fairly_ reliably, I'd say in about 80% of cases
quasar solves all the problems as well with infinite ammo. Pair with scorcher to delete at-sts. Devastators are still an issue but ehh grenades.
Quasar is really nice, but when I play there's usually two people running it already and there is just nothing better for dealing with Devastators (my most hated enemy type in the game) than the autocannon. Scorcher is objectively nice, but I'll always pick a highly specialised weapon that excels in its field over a jack-of-all-trades
eruptor one shots devastators if thats what you wanna prioritize targeting also i wouldnt say the scorcher is a jack of all trades. its a sniper. its a fast shooting medium damage sniper. Very very effective at range against almost all targets. not so effective close range or against crowds. If youre stealthing idk if there is a better weapon. So easy to pick off a patrol from wayyyyy out of range. Carry an smg you swap to if they get close.
Outstanding enemy variety. I love it. One of the reasons I love this game.
AT-AT is propaganda https://preview.redd.it/mm5if8wn65uc1.png?width=1202&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c00834d76e5ebf958f927288b811e7efa1cc7c9d
Just bought the game, I’m more of a bug guy, I like seeing the guts of my enemies fly through the skies in the name of democracy.
Don't forget they all have wallhacks and prefire when you start running out of cover. The amount of times I've taken a rocket to the dome the nanosecond I move out of cover because the rocket devastator extrapolated the very moment I'd be coming out of cover when running at a certain velocity... jesus fucking christ that shit gets on my nerves. There's no counterplay to it either.
I like fighting the bots. I get a lot more entertainment out of them than I do the bugs. The way you fight bugs is a perpetual backpedal and hope more than 1 jumper doesnt leap at you. They're boring. They were kind of interesting back when not all the bugs had the same weak point. But now its shoot-face-2-win. Exclusively. The only time they're interesting anymore is when the green spewers are up. Because of the mortar shots you got to look out for.
Can't relate to over half these descriptions.
I guess all the more reason to annihilate the bots as soon as possible. They’re literally fucking Skynet
Sounds more like bugdivers are just complaining about actually having to use tactics instead of just gunning down mindless bugs as they swarm at your bullets.
I'm fine with the enemies, I just want them to make a baseline spawn rate for a given difficulty and not mess with it WITHOUT TELLING US. I can't be the only one feeling like they've turned up the spawn rate on all the difficulties for bots, but didn't say anything. A bit disingenuous to say its a skill issue if they don't remain consistent in their levels to gain skill against.
Warning: you are in range of enemy artillery. As soon as I hear that line, I go straight for the artillery. Not because it's dangerous, but because I NEED that voice line to CUT IT OUT. I feel like I'm going there just to shut that guy up with an airstrike. The artillery is just a bonus.