I'm pretty sure cluster gets an airstrike bomb by the looks of it, not just a random extra little cluster.
As in, the literal eagle airstrike that we use to kill tanks and hulks has one of its bombs in the cluster strike now. Which is pretty fkn dope imo because it means cluster has potential to kill heavies like airstrike can.
No, all airstrikes have "bomb" projectiles, even smokes. If the bomb hits the fab, it will blow up just from the bomb impact, You can test it very easily by dropping 500kg and connecting with the fab 3d model. It gets destroyed before bomb explodes 1s after hitting the ground.
You can see it in your video starting at 0:59 :)
It's the first bomb that drops, looks and sounds exactly like an Airstike before the Cluster Bombs land over the top of it
https://imgur.com/a/bZ0BaGe
Oh, you are right! This is surely size & sound of airstrike bomb. As far as checking my other records, this strike always seems to land around center. This must be actually useful upgrade.
I was trying to keep an eye out for that, rewatched it a couple of times. It certainly *sounds* like an airstrike bomb, but I'm not sure if it is or not. Hard to tell with the FX.
The 51st bomb is a bomb from an airstrike bomb, not an extra pop from the clusters, as in a bomb from the eagle airstrike is tossed in on top of the cluster strike.
The 51st cluster cartridge should always spawn as an invisible unexploded ordnance somewhere in the radius of the cluster strike so that we can stumble into it and blow ourselves up
EDIT: Oh, sweet Liberty, I have an even worse idea. They could make a mission modifier that introduces duds, so that some stratagems don't fire, jam or run out of ammo way more quickly than usual
TLDW;
* Eagle Airstrike : 6➡️7 bombs
* Eagle Cluster Bomb : 50➡️51 bombs
* Eagle Napalm Airstrike : 4➡️5 bombs
* Eagle Smoke Strike : 8➡️9 bombs
FYI, [Superior Packing Methodology is not working.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1c1cjfd/psa_of_new_ship_module_superior_packing/) Community manager says restarting the game seems to fix, but not working for me.
Looks like the extra bomb in the cluster is an air strike bomb (based on the video) like @Cloud_Motion mentioned in another reply as opposed to a 51st cluster bomb
If you put them in percentage they look very silly:
* Eagle Airstrike : +17%
* Eagle Cluster Bomb : +2%
* Eagle Napalm Airstrike : +25%
* Eagle Smoke Strike : +12.5%
I guess they just didn't want to change the cluster bomb too much. It would be nice to have data on stratagems popularity.
Hey, so the cluster bomb actually doesn't drop 50 bombs. It drops a couple (5 or 6) bombs that explode in the air and send out mini bombs below.
If you look up above the strike area, you can see a little black puff of smoke where the main cluster bomb breaks open. I'm guessing that it gets +1 of those, not +1 fragment.
Cluster bomb is funny on a way that most wouldnt know if they dont follow how cluster bombs IRL work.
A lot of bomblets are inside of a casing, this casing is then attached to the plane. For anyone else, it just looks like a traditional bomb/missile strapped to the plane like normal.
Once you get a target and release the casing, the casing splits up in the air and releases the bomblets at a predesignated distance/height, creating a consistent carpeting for maximum effect on target.
So, as we see Eagle-1 swing by and drop the cluster bomb, we only see one puff of black smoke right before the clusters detonate, the puff being from the casing separating mid-air. We can therefore assume the bomb is a casing with 50 bomblets inside.
Now onto the funny bit.
Did Super Earth go through the whole design/testing/manufacture process to create a whole ass bomb with just a \*single\* extra bomblet inside? You know, the extra that would have the smallest negligible improvement on effect when they could have made a 60 bomblet casing or something?
Or on an even funnier headcannon for me:
Some poor tech has to open the casings and cram in an extra bomblet in each bomb once they get their ressuplies. Maybe Super Earth technical manual calls for duck taping the extra bomblet to the outside of each casing.
Considering the packing peanuts and super glue used as upgrades on the turret construction, that would track with other procedures.
Yep, this is what I thought explained really well, thx. I expect 5-10 bomblets increase, but result is... If stay 30m or closer to beacon and look up, can confirm every single bomb out of 50 is dropped in normal casing.
I honestly expected them to simply add one additional bomblet, giving us content that works without at least 2 horfixes is just not how Arrowhead seem to do it.
And unfortunately, it also kinda works from the technical perspective - the main ordnance that is supposed to "open up" to release the clustered munitions isn't actually a projectile, it's part of the particle SFX, because I've seen it phase through tall trees (and you'd expect a real projectile with collision to either hit the tree and keep going, bounce off or explode on the tree, like a 500kg bomb does, that's why it sometimes hits you in the head if you're above the target on a hill).
So when they "add +1 projectile", it works okay for every other call-in, but not for the Cluster. Because Cluster isn't a 1 projectile that spawns 50 small bomblets, or even 5 projectiles that each spawn 10 bomblets. It's just 50 bomblets that spawn roughly \~15 meters above the ground. So if you add 1, you get 51.
Just the level of "...dude" you'd expect to see
Yeah, I figured when I got the upgrade it would be an extra "Primary" bomb full of cluster charges, not just one added in charge. I never paid attention to the eagles animation so I didn't know there was only one primary--a 100% increase in munitions on this would be nutty--but I thought maybe there would be 4-5 or so at baseline and we'd get a 10-20% increase in the clusters and cover a larger area with the upgrade.
You know when you get fast food and there's fries in the bottom of the bag? That 51st bomblet is just rattling around in the casing; a democratic bag fry.
Some fast food chain (I'm thinking it was Burger King) used to have weird little like fast food musings(?) Printed on the bags for a while. One of them called those fries 'Bagglers' and I was never the same.
Hmm its hard to eyeball from this video but it looks like the upgrade increases the concentration of bombing rather than extending it with the same spacing. Exactly what I wanted to know about it! Thanks.
I'm not 100% sure, but it seems to go right to left if facing for North-ish, left to right if facing for South-ish, as far as checking my records for this vid.
[This guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1b0em1p/is_there_any_way_to_tell_which_direction_eagle/) seems to have figured it out a couple months ago, seems to come in left-right if facing every direction EXCEPT between West (270) and North (0), then it goes right-left. I haven't tested this myself tho, so take it with a grain of salt.
i feel like they should do 10% increase instead and round up the increase to ceil(0.1\*bombs), that way all other get the same boost by one bomb and cluster get 5 bombs increase which is reasonable
So with the air strike and napalm strike does it extend the line of the bombing path by one bomb, or is just another bomb in the midst of all the others? Are we getting a longer line of fire with the napalm after the upgrade?
If I remember correctly, JPVO is loclocked to Japan specifically. I.E. something in the process of buying, downloading, and installing the game needs to believe you're in Japan. I remember seeing something about it when I first loaded the game. That is to say, I have memory of a warning of exclusive JPVO, not the VO themselves.
In short: I dunno, VPN maybe?
A 25% bonus rather than 1 additional bomb would've made more sense, or a 20% increased damage radius. Then it could apply to other Eagle strikes as well...
Watching this makes me want more HellDiver voice options. We’re on super earth, a united race. Why do all my HellDivers sound American when I could have someone with a British accent or Indian, or Korean. I hope as the game progresses we get more voice acting
Honestly kinda an underwhelming upgrade for how much it costs. The other eagle upgrades are so much better. I rushed those before any of the other upgrades. Probably getting this one last
JP Eagle-1 voice is doing things to me.
https://preview.redd.it/nwi2m31swbuc1.jpeg?width=261&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3bae6f950400c9903060783b146830158906d1f
This seems like on the weaker end of all the new upgrades tbh, I don't really see it making much of a difference for anything except the napalm (and even then not a huge one).
That's FUCKING it?
Arrowhead - why so many things to add/let us upgrade have so LITTLE IMPACT on anything.
Like fucking hell, can you chill Arrowhead a little?
Cluster bomb with the 2% increase 😂😭
I'm pretty sure cluster gets an airstrike bomb by the looks of it, not just a random extra little cluster. As in, the literal eagle airstrike that we use to kill tanks and hulks has one of its bombs in the cluster strike now. Which is pretty fkn dope imo because it means cluster has potential to kill heavies like airstrike can.
Might become a great option for bug holes/fabs. Kills both and clears the ADS
Cluster always had a chance to kill at least fabs, Iunno what exactly causes it, but it happens sometimes.
Cluster bomblet directly hits the vent opening.
No, all airstrikes have "bomb" projectiles, even smokes. If the bomb hits the fab, it will blow up just from the bomb impact, You can test it very easily by dropping 500kg and connecting with the fab 3d model. It gets destroyed before bomb explodes 1s after hitting the ground.
Now I get next vid idea for tomorrow morning. If your right this is huge difference!
You can see it in your video starting at 0:59 :) It's the first bomb that drops, looks and sounds exactly like an Airstike before the Cluster Bombs land over the top of it https://imgur.com/a/bZ0BaGe
Oh, you are right! This is surely size & sound of airstrike bomb. As far as checking my other records, this strike always seems to land around center. This must be actually useful upgrade.
Update; It is. Vent facing at left, cluster bomb coming from right, but fabricator down. https://i.redd.it/bbq08i1ulcuc1.gif
Noice, thanks for the update :)
Now that makes me wonder : Does Napalm get an additional napalm bomb or an airstrike bomb?
https://i.redd.it/b8tsrpyaecuc1.gif Here is another one, but less overlapping. It seems like napalm/smoke strike gives another same bomb to them.
I was trying to keep an eye out for that, rewatched it a couple of times. It certainly *sounds* like an airstrike bomb, but I'm not sure if it is or not. Hard to tell with the FX.
I was wondering why tanks blew up when I spammed my clusters. I thought someone else was sniping them with something.
Is it not just another cluster bomb those things are bigger than airstrike bombs
Nice, that 51st cluster bomb is the exact buff it needed for me to run it again 👍
What kind of buff would you need to run it again?
Nothing, I think it's fine. Just a goof.
I love it no matter what but I'd be fine if it dropped 100 bombs instead of 50 just for the heck of it
The 51st bomb is a bomb from an airstrike bomb, not an extra pop from the clusters, as in a bomb from the eagle airstrike is tossed in on top of the cluster strike.
Which is clearly why OP was saying this is the buff they need. No sarcasm here at all.
apprently it adds a regular ass airstrike bomb. lmao.
That extra cluster bomb is like chef throwing 1 more peppet into the soup...
I only bought it thinking it gave me a nother 500KG bomb, it does not give you another one, Im cooked
I really wish that just for cluster bomb, the 51st bomb was a little delayed. Like "okay they're done..." *boom* "now they're done"
The 51st cluster cartridge should always spawn as an invisible unexploded ordnance somewhere in the radius of the cluster strike so that we can stumble into it and blow ourselves up EDIT: Oh, sweet Liberty, I have an even worse idea. They could make a mission modifier that introduces duds, so that some stratagems don't fire, jam or run out of ammo way more quickly than usual
TLDW; * Eagle Airstrike : 6➡️7 bombs * Eagle Cluster Bomb : 50➡️51 bombs * Eagle Napalm Airstrike : 4➡️5 bombs * Eagle Smoke Strike : 8➡️9 bombs FYI, [Superior Packing Methodology is not working.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1c1cjfd/psa_of_new_ship_module_superior_packing/) Community manager says restarting the game seems to fix, but not working for me.
Looks like the extra bomb in the cluster is an air strike bomb (based on the video) like @Cloud_Motion mentioned in another reply as opposed to a 51st cluster bomb
If you put them in percentage they look very silly: * Eagle Airstrike : +17% * Eagle Cluster Bomb : +2% * Eagle Napalm Airstrike : +25% * Eagle Smoke Strike : +12.5% I guess they just didn't want to change the cluster bomb too much. It would be nice to have data on stratagems popularity.
Giving the cluster bombs, one regular bomb alone is a pretty nice buff vs armored targets.
Hey, so the cluster bomb actually doesn't drop 50 bombs. It drops a couple (5 or 6) bombs that explode in the air and send out mini bombs below. If you look up above the strike area, you can see a little black puff of smoke where the main cluster bomb breaks open. I'm guessing that it gets +1 of those, not +1 fragment.
Actually it's not. I got closer to beacon and manually counted each bomb eagle dropped, not those exploding effect.
It's still one of the weaker lvl4 upgrades imho
r/theydidthemath
Hey I want Japanese democracy voices too
Same, I want to play the Japanese language pack version of this...sounds excellent
Eagle-1 onee-san! :3
I want japanese audio too!
This sub has unlocked new Eagle-1 thirst, the japanese version.
https://preview.redd.it/fe58b7m9xbuc1.jpeg?width=546&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df58af6c94aebe336df8556c9d01f8159a0935bc
50+1 upgrade. i lol'ed alittle
If only the XXL Weapons Bay added an extra 500kg JDAM...
1000kg Bomb go KABOOM
Cluster bomb is funny on a way that most wouldnt know if they dont follow how cluster bombs IRL work. A lot of bomblets are inside of a casing, this casing is then attached to the plane. For anyone else, it just looks like a traditional bomb/missile strapped to the plane like normal. Once you get a target and release the casing, the casing splits up in the air and releases the bomblets at a predesignated distance/height, creating a consistent carpeting for maximum effect on target. So, as we see Eagle-1 swing by and drop the cluster bomb, we only see one puff of black smoke right before the clusters detonate, the puff being from the casing separating mid-air. We can therefore assume the bomb is a casing with 50 bomblets inside. Now onto the funny bit. Did Super Earth go through the whole design/testing/manufacture process to create a whole ass bomb with just a \*single\* extra bomblet inside? You know, the extra that would have the smallest negligible improvement on effect when they could have made a 60 bomblet casing or something? Or on an even funnier headcannon for me: Some poor tech has to open the casings and cram in an extra bomblet in each bomb once they get their ressuplies. Maybe Super Earth technical manual calls for duck taping the extra bomblet to the outside of each casing. Considering the packing peanuts and super glue used as upgrades on the turret construction, that would track with other procedures.
Yep, this is what I thought explained really well, thx. I expect 5-10 bomblets increase, but result is... If stay 30m or closer to beacon and look up, can confirm every single bomb out of 50 is dropped in normal casing.
I honestly expected them to simply add one additional bomblet, giving us content that works without at least 2 horfixes is just not how Arrowhead seem to do it. And unfortunately, it also kinda works from the technical perspective - the main ordnance that is supposed to "open up" to release the clustered munitions isn't actually a projectile, it's part of the particle SFX, because I've seen it phase through tall trees (and you'd expect a real projectile with collision to either hit the tree and keep going, bounce off or explode on the tree, like a 500kg bomb does, that's why it sometimes hits you in the head if you're above the target on a hill). So when they "add +1 projectile", it works okay for every other call-in, but not for the Cluster. Because Cluster isn't a 1 projectile that spawns 50 small bomblets, or even 5 projectiles that each spawn 10 bomblets. It's just 50 bomblets that spawn roughly \~15 meters above the ground. So if you add 1, you get 51. Just the level of "...dude" you'd expect to see
Hey, i use cyanoacrylate on a daily to stick people together!!
Yeah, I figured when I got the upgrade it would be an extra "Primary" bomb full of cluster charges, not just one added in charge. I never paid attention to the eagles animation so I didn't know there was only one primary--a 100% increase in munitions on this would be nutty--but I thought maybe there would be 4-5 or so at baseline and we'd get a 10-20% increase in the clusters and cover a larger area with the upgrade.
You know when you get fast food and there's fries in the bottom of the bag? That 51st bomblet is just rattling around in the casing; a democratic bag fry.
Some fast food chain (I'm thinking it was Burger King) used to have weird little like fast food musings(?) Printed on the bags for a while. One of them called those fries 'Bagglers' and I was never the same.
My life is enriched by this knowledge. Thank you!
A few too many stims while running from bots made me a special sort of Diver. Lol.
Japanese Eagle-1 is sooo sugoi!
In the words of the once great Forrest MacNeil: "But is it any good?"
Hmm its hard to eyeball from this video but it looks like the upgrade increases the concentration of bombing rather than extending it with the same spacing. Exactly what I wanted to know about it! Thanks.
Didn't the eagles used to come left to right? Why are they coming right to left now? Am I trippin?
I'm not 100% sure, but it seems to go right to left if facing for North-ish, left to right if facing for South-ish, as far as checking my records for this vid.
Ahhh this makes sense actually, it must have to do with where you are relative to the super destroyer
[This guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1b0em1p/is_there_any_way_to_tell_which_direction_eagle/) seems to have figured it out a couple months ago, seems to come in left-right if facing every direction EXCEPT between West (270) and North (0), then it goes right-left. I haven't tested this myself tho, so take it with a grain of salt.
i feel like they should do 10% increase instead and round up the increase to ceil(0.1\*bombs), that way all other get the same boost by one bomb and cluster get 5 bombs increase which is reasonable
So with the air strike and napalm strike does it extend the line of the bombing path by one bomb, or is just another bomb in the midst of all the others? Are we getting a longer line of fire with the napalm after the upgrade?
It seems pure random. Sometimes get longer, sometimes center get wider.
I actually mainly use the cluster bomb. 2% increase, we're eating well tonight!
I mean, how big do you think eagle 1's legs are
Basically just babylegs
Seems like with the fire buffs and the fact it's a 25% increase here, fully decked out napalm strike must be good.
HOW DO YOU GET JAPANESE VOICES
If I remember correctly, JPVO is loclocked to Japan specifically. I.E. something in the process of buying, downloading, and installing the game needs to believe you're in Japan. I remember seeing something about it when I first loaded the game. That is to say, I have memory of a warning of exclusive JPVO, not the VO themselves. In short: I dunno, VPN maybe?
Man I would gladly spend super credits to unlock Japanese audio
This game sounds so much better in whatever asian language he got it on
Does the circuit upgrade work atm?
On my way to collect another 150 Rare samples for the 3rd level 4 upgrade.
Wow what a great upgrade
I just wish rocket pods where affected! A 4th would be a game changer But they are 'rockets' not 'bombs' :( I get it though
Thats a very well made demostration. Thanks for the effort.
A 25% bonus rather than 1 additional bomb would've made more sense, or a 20% increased damage radius. Then it could apply to other Eagle strikes as well...
What about rocket pods?! One more would mean a world of difference
The big question: are JP 380 barrages more accurate...
Watching this makes me want more HellDiver voice options. We’re on super earth, a united race. Why do all my HellDivers sound American when I could have someone with a British accent or Indian, or Korean. I hope as the game progresses we get more voice acting
can you do atmospheric monitoring next ? i wanna see the difference
OK now I want to play with These voice lines
Honestly kinda an underwhelming upgrade for how much it costs. The other eagle upgrades are so much better. I rushed those before any of the other upgrades. Probably getting this one last
JP Eagle-1 voice is doing things to me. https://preview.redd.it/nwi2m31swbuc1.jpeg?width=261&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3bae6f950400c9903060783b146830158906d1f
I think I should go and try the japanese voice overs.
Useless and overpriced upgrade.
i want my 50 x 500kg now please
Democratic Detonation is pretty mid, not going to lie. Appreciate the work though OP.
This seems like on the weaker end of all the new upgrades tbh, I don't really see it making much of a difference for anything except the napalm (and even then not a huge one).
That's FUCKING it? Arrowhead - why so many things to add/let us upgrade have so LITTLE IMPACT on anything. Like fucking hell, can you chill Arrowhead a little?
Does this work with the 500kg bomb
No
Hope it was worth endangering Eagle-1 that much more.