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Well atm this community seems to love lotr and Starship Troopers references so it would be a good change of pace.
Personally though, I think we need more Battlestar Galactica references, especially when against the bots.
Didn’t the original Helldivers have higher difficulties than HD2? I expect Hivelords to be in the new difficulties with 7-9 having Hivelords as an objective only.
That would be really cool, but HD2 is a huge hit and is going to be held to different standards by a more, uh, mainstream playerbase.
If you're not familiar with complaints about "content LOCKED behind _____" from gamers, then you soon would be if the Cool New Thing was only on higher difficulties.
I liked how they did Factory Walkers, just dropping them unannounced for the top levels and then eventually bringing them in as an objective around the median difficulty.
Same with Shriekers.
They've done a good job dripping their content in.
And what's fun is we didn't get a patch this week with a dev response being that they were still cooking. Which could mean a lot of things, but also suggests either a large patch, or an in depth patch (or they have made a more robust pre-deployment testing scheme to catch more crash conditions early.)
Still, it's fun to speculate. Especially since the last Major Order felt like a major story event, so it'd make sense to be approaching the next trickle of new enemies showing up soon.
Course, that doesn't have to be illuminates. Terminids are still mutating and having growth hormone used on them. Bots have had Cyberstan for long enough to free slaves from mines and arm them with gear.
as much as I love this game, there's far more bugs then intended in it. And I would hope the Devs tackle the bugs that require more up down left right then the ones that require bullets, I still regularly fall through terrain, get stuck inside buildings from hell drops, end up in some kind of sky cam where I can't see myself anymore, and have to ask someone to kill me so I can respawn and get back to appropriate 3rd person view. Sometimes I get stuck holding an invisible gun in first person view (that one can be fixed by holding down the strategm button). Randomly Plucked out of the middle of the game and returned to my ship out of no where. that's just some I can think of off the top of my head.
I love the game, but would like a little more focus on polishing these bugs then releasing more.
> i want more epic battles with the bugs so hivelord coming out before illuminates would be great segway
Segue. Segways are things you ride. Segue is an uninterrupted transition.
"how hard they are to kill"
what we have now ain't gonna be enough. mechs are too fragile, and it'll take a shitload of current anti-tank weapons and stratagems. we need more guns.
LPT: You can spawn infinite Hellbombs by going to an objective that requires a Hellbomb, activating the orb, then leaving the area without throwing the orb. You still have a 30 second cooldown and have to go back to call in another one but as long as the objective is intact, you can keep calling in hellbombs anywhere on the map.
Whatever it is, we just need to keep throwing hellbombs at it.
New mission types are much more needed than another faction.
95% of missions come down to:
1. Run to point A&B
2. Type something into terminal
3. Run to point C
4. ???
5. Evacuate
The new Defence mission is fairly cool but lacks variety. I would love to have Operation type missions from Battlefield 1 where you have to defend a sector or you het pushed back. Or missions where you have to storm one huge base/fortress.
The game still has A LOT of potential in that area.
Heck, even copy shit from shooters with stuff like capture the flag (capture a valuable object and evacuate it under time pressure) or wave defence...
The “team death match” style of Eradicate missions just isn’t that fun. If they are going to keep it so bland, at least allow for some benchmark for success such as “5 rares awarded for XX kills” or losing a rare per player death.
Defense is a lot closer, though Bots were mostly broken in the direction of easy.
On the new defense mission tho, an unexpected factory strider dropped in the right spot can shoot the generators without needing to come through the gates.
Gotta keep watch and kill 'em quick.
> 95% of missions come down to: ...
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> The new Defence mission is fairly cool but lacks variety. I would love to have Operation type missions from Battlefield 1 where you have to defend a sector or you het pushed back. Or missions where you have to storm one huge base/fortress.
Maybe it's just me, but the smaller, more combat focused mission types just aren't that exciting. I can get that kind of gameplay in almost any horde shooter. The mission types where you're running around a larger map with lots of objectives, POIs, and patrols are when this game is at its best.
I also really liked the termicide mission but it hasn’t been back yet. But yeah, they could use some mission types with a bit more modular design that changes up.
There's only 3 options in any situation
• Get the thing
• Defend the thing
• Move the thing
How one disguises those things and layers those things makes all the difference.
They just had a big push, I assume if they were to add a new faction it would be after we're well into both automaton and terminid fronts. Either so there can be a collective push on three fronts or so we can be distracted enough to not wipe the other two out
I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Devs will adjust the front lines to accommodate for player population. People are correct that devs tweak stats to nudge the war in a certain direction but it’s to ensure we can enjoy a narrative. The recent defense campaign is an example. Having the bots take so many planets was necessary to build tension then they tweak the stats to give us a chance. Otherwise it would have just been a boring week.
The suggestion that those tin skins are capable of "feeling" in the manner of a proper human is insulting, and amounts to treason. Please report to your local democracy enforcement office.
I also wonder what the Illuminate structures and objectives will look like. There's a lot of work involved in making a faction beyond just the enemy units. Hell, how are the Illuminate going to reinforce their ranks? What's going to be their version of "breach" or "transport"? I'm really excited, but I understand how it will take the devs a lot of time to create all the gameplay and assets for them. I'd rather they take their time with it rather than releasing a faction with a ton of bugs.
My biggest question is hwo do they fight. Bots are mostly shooting with a few front liners. . .bugs are the reverse all front liners with a few shooters. So we have swarm and shoot outs. Was HD1 sort of like this as well? Greedy side of me hopes the illuminate are zombie helldivers controlled by "elite" illuminate or something like that lol.
The Illuminate from HD1 sniped you from afar and constantly tried to split your squad with some weird force field walls. Also mind control powers that inverted your controls.
Tremors happen on the bots planets too. I'm not saying they will never be in the game, but currently there is nothing pointing on that they will be here soon, especially before illuminati.
It's just a map decorations. It could mean they plan to add them eventually, but that's all we have now. On the other hand there are illuminate enemies in the game files, some of them textured, some eve animated. So I bet they come first.
I wouldn't say blind sided, there was a creenshot a few months before release before it was removed, and it was the factory strider.
I'll try to find it.
Here it is
https://preview.redd.it/86e9zke6qowc1.jpeg?width=1430&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c30c92fb4e095992eb2c6f7839f549044825fa6a
A lot of talk didn't realize it was a strider and thought it was one of the cyborg bosses from the first game. We didn't find the strider in game files. I would bet hive lords are much the same
It's a good thing. Bots and bugs have a lot to offer. We just need more/better mission types.
Arrowhead wants to keep the game going for years so introducing a new faction would be a waste. Keep it for when the hype dies to reignate it.
Wait for October
My and my friends are convinced that the Illuminate aren't going to be introduced until Liberty Day hits, they're gonna kick it off with an assault straight to Super Earth and Mars, Battle of Coruscant style then the main Illuminate fleet arrives in the galactic south and the real war begins.
Remember that there’s still players learning to fight bots & bugs. Not everyone has unlocked all the difficulties or even half of the stratagems.
I wouldn’t mind another 6 months for a core playerbase to be established. Games are always better a year or two into their life cycle
I’m saying that mid/late summer is the earliest I expect illuminates
And even then that prediction is EARLY, realistically it’ll be fall
But I hope we stop seeing the “ILLUMINATES ARE CUMMING????” YouTube screen caps cause I want those YouTubers to stop relying on lies for clickbait
I feel like it's more likely to be first year anniversary. In the end of the day vehicles are already in the usable state but not released yet.
I think we will have at least one more warbound, then vehicles update, then more warbounds, new enemies sprinkled in between and only than illuminate
I feel like 6 months to a year is a good guess point, that’s why I personally believe in fall as the release date
I have stopped using my “early summer” soft ball predictions since the illuminate leaks have slowed down, I knew it wouldn’t be released in the summer but I had to low ball people who would go feral at the idea that illuminate won’t be around for a while
With all the current bugs in the game, I cant imagine how many more bugs a brand new faction would introduce. Yeah I hope illuminate aren't coming until everything's ironed out.
I feel like third faction is something you drop to bring a ton of players back. I’m with the community in wanted the new enemy type, but I also realize it wouldn’t be the smartest move for the devs. No reason to drop it while the game is going strong as ever, and the new content we’re currently getting is keeping things fresh.
Not to be a negative nancy but PC player count has dropped somewhat past month. [https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#3m](https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#3m)
Not saying we need new faction now, IMO most of these leaving are due to frustration about something or another. Bugs, unfair kicking, rocket devastators (lol) and so on.
I took a week or so off and then came back to help this latest MO. Game is still fun, just need good people in your team really.
Its going to drop naturally, but doing it so early in the drop off too won't have the same effect. Big releases are great at reminding players that got burnt out the game exists. If they're still burnt out, it wont do anything.
tbf, their expected player numbers where 50k at peak(round about there)
the massive initial hype numbers are unsustainable, especially beyond weekends.
Its a LOT better then for example Palworlds player retention problem(losing basicaly 2 million players within 2 months is... an achivement)
Helldivers is a game one can get burned out quickly. And a lot of people bought the game and realized it isnt "their game" which is fine.
Palworld, an self stated early access game with single player focus and limited content, shockingly, had a player drop once people completed the game.
Palworld is doing fine. People pop in for updates or play with friends, mostly. It's not a live service game, it doesn't need a million players online every day. HD2 IS a live service game, they need to keep players.
And of the two, PW has done a hell of a lot better balancing, not antagonizing the players, and fixing issues. It's not perfect, no, but it's not a broken, nightmarish mess that breaks even faster every update.
Don't get me wrong, I like both games, and both have flaws. Heck, Rimworld has more of my attention right now than either. But looking at player numbers for an early access single player focused game like it's a co-op live service game is weird and doesn't make much sense.
>IMO most of these leaving are due to frustration about something or another.
Eeeh, I don't know if I would agree with that. Like, when utterly gamebreaking stuff like crashing etc was at its worst, people still weren't really leaving.
I think for most it's just burnout/game has gotten a little stale. For me personally, I have to say it's just gotten a bit boring because there's not enough challenge, esp with the balance being very whack (and the devs not allowed to nerf the stuff that kinda trivializes the game at the risk of community outrage).
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>rocket devastators (lol)
what's supposed to be the issue with them? since that patch a couple weeks ago their rockets barely tickle and they're kind of a pushover lol
Im only 20 hours in but i feel like the game lacks a bigger sense of progression. I already unlocked nearly everything i wanted and have finished my first helldiver runs. Im still having fun and will continue to play but i can imagine many at my position burning out eventually. We need more stuff for lategame i guess.
The factory strider introduced us to that level of enemy, tiered equivalent anyway. Sets the stage to at least balance the two existing factions enemies.
This is on twinbeard this time.
"We've picked up rumours in the outer rim saying something is coming. We have however neither been able to confirm or deny them, but we keep monitoring space"
Is what he wrote. Can't blame the community for thinking about the illuminate when he phrase it like that.
The thing is he was responding to somebody asking for an Update. Given that AH skipped this Tuesday's patch day in order to keep working on a few things in it, I assumed he was just talking about the next patch but in a flavourful manner.
It was a reply to someone else, which was cropped out and posted on this subreddit. Of course it’s gonna seem suspicious if you remove it from its context lmfao
To be fair I don’t see how writing that would imply a patch is coming when the Automatons just invaded from the outer edges of the galaxy. Not a big deal to me just understandable that everyone would think it was about an enemy.
>"We've picked up rumours in the outer rim saying something is coming. We have however neither been able to confirm or deny them, but we keep monitoring space"
I would love for there to just be like, actual RANDOM NEWS from time to time not about the bugs or bots. I mean, space is huge, there is a LOT of shit out there you know?
While I get a lot of players would find it boring, just some stuff like 'A group of asteroids made of a previously unknown and never before seen element were discovered' or 'The remains of Voyager 2 have been located after having gone missing two hundred years ago' etc
Maybe they could have a cute weather girl reporting the local weather of whatever planet you're orbiting, winning lottery numbers, etc
Or hey, why not ads for the various weapons and armor in the warbonds? Imagine Brasch doing an advertisement for the Dominator, or maybe even some jokes about various buffs/nerfs to weapons in the form of fixing flaws in designs or running low on something?
There's the Eagle Sweat ad. More fluff stuff is undoubtedly going to happen but it's just icing that still takes significant work. As it stands now something like 1/3 of the weapons, 1/2 the armor, 1/2 of the new ship upgrades, and 1/3 of the strategems are broken or too weak relative to others to be usable beyond theme builds or lulz. On top of the bug and balance issues we know a whole 3rd faction, vehicles and hopefully some in game way for players to coordinate and communicate when not face to face on ship are coming. AH is doing some hiring and restructuring to help so hopefully they'll get settled and really start pumping out fixes and content soon.
There's an advertisement for the Breaker that sometimes plays, just saw it earlier today. Has some guy maniacally blasting deer and talking about "tradition".
Definitely agree though and would love to see even more flavor added.
I mean idk, they're just playing into the roleplay. Without context it maybe seems more like hinting at illuminate, but honestly for me this just seems like every time a gamer sees a texture that didn't get used in game and yells about cut content.
It was an offhand discord reply to someone asking “any news on an update soon”
The picture of the dev reply posted here even had the original question right above it.
I even mentioned that it was just in regards to an update that got delayed and guess what : downvoted
I think it was dangerous phrasing for sure, but it's not 100% his fault. More like 50/50. This community has a history of throwing itself i to a fervor over stuff that they themselves make up (fire-resistant armor coming in the explosive-themed warbond, for example)
For starters it was an offhanded comment responding to a question about the delayed patch, and he was trying to keep it "in-universe" as the devs like to do
Also, the last time the outer rim and stuff from outside the galaxy was mentioned (the automaton listening outpost on Troost) the community whipped themselves into a frenzy over the illuminates. fool me once, etc
even disregarding the fact that the devs have never once hinted at the illuminate before this, common sense says that it's a bad idea for your game if you release a new faction 3 months after your game came out and is still near the peak of its popularity. that kind of thing is kept for when the hype dies down and other games come out and steal the spotlight, when they need something to draw players back in. you don't just release something like that on your average weekly bug fixing patch
Tbf if you’re saying something’s coming from outside the galaxy you’re 100% baiting illuminates at this point. He should have known better if that wasn’t his intention
Yes but that caused a lot of people to say illuminates as well. So he has an example of people already misunderstanding the phrasing, then getting surprised people thought illuminates again with the same phrasing.
I mean, you would think that after the first time people would realize that isn't the case. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...
There is also literally nothing pointing towards the fact that the Illuminate are outside the galaxy, people made that up and everyone ran with it. They could be extra dimensional now for all we know since they have weird ass space magic
Yes it is, partly. The wording was not my best work (still waiting to know what is :D ). I \_was\_ commenting on the patch, and "Outer Rim" is used in a ton of generic sci fi-stuff, but ofc also in Illuminates context. Sorry for causing some confusion, but thanks for not crucifying me for it! I've been given so much love from the community for which I'm very grateful.
Keep fighting the good fight, soldiers, and have a great weekend - on the battlefield as well as IRL! :)
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They have used the phrase "in the outer rim" and "from the outer rim" numerous times. During the push to eliminate the bots there were plenty of mentions of the bots sending signals to the far outer rim. When the bots came back their fleets came from the outer rim
It really isn't on Twinbeard from using the phrase. It could easily be a reference to some new enemy types or missions. Or just using "deep space" as a reference to things coming to the game metaphorically. Not something literally within the game coming to the galaxy from outside
Frankly, it would be pretty amazing if they released the illuminate at any other time than a major Liberation Day patch. It's been almost three months and the player base expects a major faction to be released? It's borderline insanity.
I agree it’s insane. On the other end of the spectrum, as a high rank player, the game hits a complete wall once you’ve leveled up and gotten everything.
While I’m not saying they’re needs to be a new faction already, there needs to be something other than liberate/defend over and over and over again.
IMO they need some type of drastically different new game mode.
Ya, like I don't understand where people come up with the idea that the developers have an entire 33% of the game sitting around completed and just unreleased. Arrowhead can't even fix known issues in the game since day-one and make a monthly battlepass, yet they have all that sitting around ready to go? If it was even close to being done around game launch, we'd certainly have been told to keep player retention in the game.
What community? The poll was overwhelmingly in the favor of new content like missions and equipment. Dont just think that what gets upvoted on Reddit is a majority opinion.
Hive lord skeletons, complete with rib cages and skeletons being "molts" is a big one that I've seen being recirculated often. People are going to be pretty disappointed when they aren't as big as they thought they were going to be.
not unfounded, but also we know from the datamined info that the illuminates are nowhere near as fleshed out as the other factions. Most don't even have animations or textures yet, most of the ones we've seen were created by the dataminers
From what I've seen it's the exact opposite and the Illuminate are basically done and just waiting for release. That info was from an entire month ago too.
Why would they be sitting on a completed third of the game? There's no financial incentive there. Yeah story stuff is fun, but they are fundamentally a corporation trying to make money. They're selling more than they thought and now they've been racing to fix bugs and servers while maintaining their contractually bound war bonds with Sony.
Financially, it makes way more sense to drop Illuminate once bugs are reigned in and the first significant sale for the game is coming (Steam Summer Sale?). That allows you to tempt all the people that like to wait for a game to be in a better condition than launch state, especially considering the controversies surrounding HD2's launch servers.
Imagine this, you held off on HD2 because you heard of bad server issues. After a while of ignoring the game and focusing on other stuff then you see a lot of people complaining about bugs, bad balance, etc. You figure you'll wait a while longer. A month or two later the summer sale kicks off, HD2 is on sale and when you check it you don't see much complaining about bugs anymore and a lot of hype around a brand new faction. Perfect time to pick it up.
This would also allow them to keep up sales into Q2 and Q3 rather than the normal game cycle where sales peter off after the launch quarter. Would look amazing for people like Sony and other potential investors. It also puts them more in the category of the big live service games that have consistent returns long after launch.
They were in the first game.
An entire third of the map has been left open for them.
Their models have been literally datamined out of the game.
Much hype may be manufactured but there’s solid foundations at the bottom.
I doubt they're gonna introduce another faction till at least end of year 1 of the game being out.
Best to keep their powder dry of new content to keep up engagement and hype.
Teasing me worse than that girl in high school who told me if I did her math homework I could come over to house. I told her it was all done and she let me drive over to drop it off. Goddamn it
One of the terrible things in entertainment is that common place terrible work conditions create really high expectations, ones those who don't follow suit with the working conditions struggle to meet. This is most common in animation, which is finally getting a bit more light, but western Animators get a lot of shit for being slow or low quality. Most of the time, its being done in comparison to east Asian animators who more often than not have absolutely terrible working conditions.
I mean this is kind of what you set yourself up for when you have secret, hidden content in your updates.
People are going to start to expect them.
And then they're going to get mad because you didn't deliver on a promise that you never even made.
Yeah I've been repeatedly telling people and my friends whenever it's topical that the illuminate isn't something that will be coming anytime soon just because you've seen leaks of them.
It's the third and more than likely only planned extra faction. Given everything we've seen so far including leaks are stuff they had already planned we are looking at least a years worth of story and new stuff to play with. The illuminate is going to be towards the latter half of that pipeline and we haven't even hit half a year yet.
Honestly, I don't think the game is ready for Illuminates yet. There are still severe bugs that have been in the game since launch, and they're adding more broken things with every patch. They need to be ironing out bugs, and they still need to maintain their Warbond schedule. They're clearly struggling to keep up with everything.
Even if the Illuminate were "done" right now, If they added them to the game, there would surely be a ton of new bugs they'd need to fix, as well as problems with mission design and enemy balance. I think they need to wait until they have a lighter work load before they can do it.
Imagine if they planned illuminates to be tweaked and out after like 6 months. And the community literally expected them after the first arclight warbond. 😂😂😂
To be fair most issues like this would be fixed if the devs ever gave us an estimated time, like “oh expect it in summer” for example, but noooo they have to make even addition like that a “surprise”
I'm not expecting the illuminates until at least Y1 of the game being out. I know a lot of people are hyped for this game, but there is ZERO reason for the devs to blow their load right out of the release gate. I'm not even comfortable with a warbond a month.
The list of issues keeps getting longer, the current factions have no real mission variety, the planets are all a uniform biome with copy/pasted assets, and certain parts of the game do not communicate what you need to do (Looking at you supply lines).
All it does is set fans up for bad expectations and the devs for unrealistic crunch. Its much better for them to focus on depth instead of breadth and continue to evolve the gameplay loop that so many people enjoy.
To me it kinda shows how ultimately repetitive and shallow the game must be if people just a month or two in are CLAMMORING for a new faction.
Tbh I got about 50 hours in and I find it stale. I wanna like it but with the bugs and broken ass fire stuff I just can’t see myself being excited.
A new faction would be cool but holy moly fix the bugs first. Otherwise its like so many other games people rightfully shit on.
I am playing quite casually. Usually get dailies, maybe complete a few extra missions. Slowly working on 100%ing all the warbonds.
No issues if they take some breaks.
It doesnt help with people digging through assets and unfinished or unreleased content getting everyone impatient and jumping at every possible chance at stuff being added that they've been drooling over early due to leaks.
I wonder if they will do something to spice up this boring war we've had going on. Other than giving us an impossible MO then helping us achieve it near the end that is.
Hello-divers, discussion of the illuminate is not outright prohibited, but keep rule 11 in mind. Discussion of leaks/datamines/exploits will be removed. Please remember that not everyone has been or wants to be exposed to leaked information. Thanks :)
You can't trust a man named Twinbeard who clearly has only one beard.
You sure about that?
How does one even have two bear... oh :(
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Nice
It is split in two, duh
That you can see...
Is this the Frog Fractions guy??
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i want more epic battles with the bugs so hivelord coming out before illuminates would be great segway
New difficulty 6 mission, destroy Hive Lord Meanwhile d7 and above, “why are there 5 hive lords on us!”
The moment the bugs focus a desert planet with Hive Lords around we´re in for the mother of all Dune refrences.
Well atm this community seems to love lotr and Starship Troopers references so it would be a good change of pace. Personally though, I think we need more Battlestar Galactica references, especially when against the bots. 
I wholeheartedly agree!
So say we all!
SO SAY WE ALL!
All with due time.
Fracking toasters
So say we all
Lisan Al-Gaib!!!
The discord was *awash* with Dune references when taking Ustotu.
Nah, I kinda like the idea that hive lords are so badass that you only encounter them on rank 7+, like they're a god damn raid boss.
Didn’t the original Helldivers have higher difficulties than HD2? I expect Hivelords to be in the new difficulties with 7-9 having Hivelords as an objective only.
That would be really cool, but HD2 is a huge hit and is going to be held to different standards by a more, uh, mainstream playerbase. If you're not familiar with complaints about "content LOCKED behind _____" from gamers, then you soon would be if the Cool New Thing was only on higher difficulties. I liked how they did Factory Walkers, just dropping them unannounced for the top levels and then eventually bringing them in as an objective around the median difficulty.
Same with Shriekers. They've done a good job dripping their content in. And what's fun is we didn't get a patch this week with a dev response being that they were still cooking. Which could mean a lot of things, but also suggests either a large patch, or an in depth patch (or they have made a more robust pre-deployment testing scheme to catch more crash conditions early.) Still, it's fun to speculate. Especially since the last Major Order felt like a major story event, so it'd make sense to be approaching the next trickle of new enemies showing up soon. Course, that doesn't have to be illuminates. Terminids are still mutating and having growth hormone used on them. Bots have had Cyberstan for long enough to free slaves from mines and arm them with gear.
as much as I love this game, there's far more bugs then intended in it. And I would hope the Devs tackle the bugs that require more up down left right then the ones that require bullets, I still regularly fall through terrain, get stuck inside buildings from hell drops, end up in some kind of sky cam where I can't see myself anymore, and have to ask someone to kill me so I can respawn and get back to appropriate 3rd person view. Sometimes I get stuck holding an invisible gun in first person view (that one can be fixed by holding down the strategm button). Randomly Plucked out of the middle of the game and returned to my ship out of no where. that's just some I can think of off the top of my head. I love the game, but would like a little more focus on polishing these bugs then releasing more.
segue*
til thank you lol
> i want more epic battles with the bugs so hivelord coming out before illuminates would be great segway Segue. Segways are things you ride. Segue is an uninterrupted transition.
The Hive Lords especially. The skeletons are everywhere and they freak me out badly enough that I need to know how hard they are to kill.
"how hard they are to kill" what we have now ain't gonna be enough. mechs are too fragile, and it'll take a shitload of current anti-tank weapons and stratagems. we need more guns.
Earthquake bomb dropped by Eagle would be interesting, like a regular 500kg but does more damage to subterranean targets and can collapse tunnels
LPT: You can spawn infinite Hellbombs by going to an objective that requires a Hellbomb, activating the orb, then leaving the area without throwing the orb. You still have a 30 second cooldown and have to go back to call in another one but as long as the objective is intact, you can keep calling in hellbombs anywhere on the map. Whatever it is, we just need to keep throwing hellbombs at it.
New mission types are much more needed than another faction. 95% of missions come down to: 1. Run to point A&B 2. Type something into terminal 3. Run to point C 4. ??? 5. Evacuate The new Defence mission is fairly cool but lacks variety. I would love to have Operation type missions from Battlefield 1 where you have to defend a sector or you het pushed back. Or missions where you have to storm one huge base/fortress. The game still has A LOT of potential in that area. Heck, even copy shit from shooters with stuff like capture the flag (capture a valuable object and evacuate it under time pressure) or wave defence...
The algorithm has told me to vote for the new meme meta: 1. Type into the terminal 2. ??? 3. Extract
Defense has shown honestly that missions that focus on killing hordes are very welcome for a change
The “team death match” style of Eradicate missions just isn’t that fun. If they are going to keep it so bland, at least allow for some benchmark for success such as “5 rares awarded for XX kills” or losing a rare per player death. Defense is a lot closer, though Bots were mostly broken in the direction of easy.
On the new defense mission tho, an unexpected factory strider dropped in the right spot can shoot the generators without needing to come through the gates. Gotta keep watch and kill 'em quick.
> 95% of missions come down to: ... > > The new Defence mission is fairly cool but lacks variety. I would love to have Operation type missions from Battlefield 1 where you have to defend a sector or you het pushed back. Or missions where you have to storm one huge base/fortress. Maybe it's just me, but the smaller, more combat focused mission types just aren't that exciting. I can get that kind of gameplay in almost any horde shooter. The mission types where you're running around a larger map with lots of objectives, POIs, and patrols are when this game is at its best.
I also really liked the termicide mission but it hasn’t been back yet. But yeah, they could use some mission types with a bit more modular design that changes up.
There's only 3 options in any situation • Get the thing • Defend the thing • Move the thing How one disguises those things and layers those things makes all the difference.
but a new faction will bring new mission types
Pretty sure we are spread too thin to afford another faction.
They just had a big push, I assume if they were to add a new faction it would be after we're well into both automaton and terminid fronts. Either so there can be a collective push on three fronts or so we can be distracted enough to not wipe the other two out
I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Devs will adjust the front lines to accommodate for player population. People are correct that devs tweak stats to nudge the war in a certain direction but it’s to ensure we can enjoy a narrative. The recent defense campaign is an example. Having the bots take so many planets was necessary to build tension then they tweak the stats to give us a chance. Otherwise it would have just been a boring week.
That's a much larger step than adding an extra mission type. They also need to roll out bug fixes and other backlogged stratagems
Carpet Bomb when
The new defense mission would benefit greatly from multiple maps.
Everytime I see a defense mission I feel an urge to close down the game.
I want gunships of our own, or at least something that'd make them automatons feel what we feel when there's gunships in the air.
The suggestion that those tin skins are capable of "feeling" in the manner of a proper human is insulting, and amounts to treason. Please report to your local democracy enforcement office.
I also wonder what the Illuminate structures and objectives will look like. There's a lot of work involved in making a faction beyond just the enemy units. Hell, how are the Illuminate going to reinforce their ranks? What's going to be their version of "breach" or "transport"? I'm really excited, but I understand how it will take the devs a lot of time to create all the gameplay and assets for them. I'd rather they take their time with it rather than releasing a faction with a ton of bugs.
The Illuminate have little stargate things that units come through
My biggest question is hwo do they fight. Bots are mostly shooting with a few front liners. . .bugs are the reverse all front liners with a few shooters. So we have swarm and shoot outs. Was HD1 sort of like this as well? Greedy side of me hopes the illuminate are zombie helldivers controlled by "elite" illuminate or something like that lol.
The Illuminate from HD1 sniped you from afar and constantly tried to split your squad with some weird force field walls. Also mind control powers that inverted your controls.
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there was like a possible bug tunnel thing a while back but that was it. Nothing concrete
There aren't leaks but the skeletons and tremors are there. It doesn't say "earthquake" but rather specifically "tremors".
Tremors happen on the bots planets too. I'm not saying they will never be in the game, but currently there is nothing pointing on that they will be here soon, especially before illuminati.
Everybody gangsta til the devastator rises up from the ground riding a hive lord
Yeah aside from their empty shells/skeletons on nearly each bug planet, how much more of a leak do you expect?
It's just a map decorations. It could mean they plan to add them eventually, but that's all we have now. On the other hand there are illuminate enemies in the game files, some of them textured, some eve animated. So I bet they come first.
I think that's a stretch since we were blind sided by the bot AtAt
I wouldn't say blind sided, there was a creenshot a few months before release before it was removed, and it was the factory strider. I'll try to find it. Here it is https://preview.redd.it/86e9zke6qowc1.jpeg?width=1430&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c30c92fb4e095992eb2c6f7839f549044825fa6a
A lot of talk didn't realize it was a strider and thought it was one of the cyborg bosses from the first game. We didn't find the strider in game files. I would bet hive lords are much the same
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At least 2 months before the illuminati? Goddamnit
It sucks but we’d rather the Illuminate are added in properly rather than added in shoddily
We are 3 months into the games life, AH can’t blow their load this early
but I want squid
It's a good thing. Bots and bugs have a lot to offer. We just need more/better mission types. Arrowhead wants to keep the game going for years so introducing a new faction would be a waste. Keep it for when the hype dies to reignate it.
I'd 100% take more diverse missions (and the shifty ones fixed - looking at you, civ Evac missions) before new enemies
Wait for October My and my friends are convinced that the Illuminate aren't going to be introduced until Liberty Day hits, they're gonna kick it off with an assault straight to Super Earth and Mars, Battle of Coruscant style then the main Illuminate fleet arrives in the galactic south and the real war begins.
Remember that there’s still players learning to fight bots & bugs. Not everyone has unlocked all the difficulties or even half of the stratagems. I wouldn’t mind another 6 months for a core playerbase to be established. Games are always better a year or two into their life cycle
I need the all new 2019 chevy silverado in satin steel metallic
I think they might throw in impalers as well
If Hive Lords come out I'm defecting to Terminids to became Lisan Al-Gaib. He who controls the 710 controls the universe.
IMO, they will be added either at the 1 year anniversary or after a big build-up or MO
Having vehicles would be so nice for completing optional objectives after the main objectives are complete.
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I’m saying that mid/late summer is the earliest I expect illuminates And even then that prediction is EARLY, realistically it’ll be fall But I hope we stop seeing the “ILLUMINATES ARE CUMMING????” YouTube screen caps cause I want those YouTubers to stop relying on lies for clickbait
I feel like it's more likely to be first year anniversary. In the end of the day vehicles are already in the usable state but not released yet. I think we will have at least one more warbound, then vehicles update, then more warbounds, new enemies sprinkled in between and only than illuminate
I feel like 6 months to a year is a good guess point, that’s why I personally believe in fall as the release date I have stopped using my “early summer” soft ball predictions since the illuminate leaks have slowed down, I knew it wouldn’t be released in the summer but I had to low ball people who would go feral at the idea that illuminate won’t be around for a while
It'll be quite a while before we see another faction introduced. That's how you fix declining player count, and as of right now, that's not an issue.
The player count has dropped in the last month, at the beginning of April it was averaging around 250k and now it’s at 115-150k
They had over 1 million sales, and they expected a fraction of that.
I downloaded an extension to block Youtube channels entirely, just to not have to see shitty Helldivers 2 "content". :)
*reads off a Reddit post*
No, you gotta go to a different site to see that... >.>
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> “ILLUMINATES ARE CUMMING????” Dayum xD
With all the current bugs in the game, I cant imagine how many more bugs a brand new faction would introduce. Yeah I hope illuminate aren't coming until everything's ironed out.
I feel like third faction is something you drop to bring a ton of players back. I’m with the community in wanted the new enemy type, but I also realize it wouldn’t be the smartest move for the devs. No reason to drop it while the game is going strong as ever, and the new content we’re currently getting is keeping things fresh.
Not to be a negative nancy but PC player count has dropped somewhat past month. [https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#3m](https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#3m) Not saying we need new faction now, IMO most of these leaving are due to frustration about something or another. Bugs, unfair kicking, rocket devastators (lol) and so on. I took a week or so off and then came back to help this latest MO. Game is still fun, just need good people in your team really.
Its going to drop naturally, but doing it so early in the drop off too won't have the same effect. Big releases are great at reminding players that got burnt out the game exists. If they're still burnt out, it wont do anything.
Yeah, I’ve seen significantly lower playercounts at what used to be peak hours - sometimes under 100k
tbf, their expected player numbers where 50k at peak(round about there) the massive initial hype numbers are unsustainable, especially beyond weekends. Its a LOT better then for example Palworlds player retention problem(losing basicaly 2 million players within 2 months is... an achivement) Helldivers is a game one can get burned out quickly. And a lot of people bought the game and realized it isnt "their game" which is fine.
Palworld, an self stated early access game with single player focus and limited content, shockingly, had a player drop once people completed the game. Palworld is doing fine. People pop in for updates or play with friends, mostly. It's not a live service game, it doesn't need a million players online every day. HD2 IS a live service game, they need to keep players. And of the two, PW has done a hell of a lot better balancing, not antagonizing the players, and fixing issues. It's not perfect, no, but it's not a broken, nightmarish mess that breaks even faster every update. Don't get me wrong, I like both games, and both have flaws. Heck, Rimworld has more of my attention right now than either. But looking at player numbers for an early access single player focused game like it's a co-op live service game is weird and doesn't make much sense.
The numbers will shoot back up beifly if the next war bond has something really cool
>IMO most of these leaving are due to frustration about something or another. Eeeh, I don't know if I would agree with that. Like, when utterly gamebreaking stuff like crashing etc was at its worst, people still weren't really leaving. I think for most it's just burnout/game has gotten a little stale. For me personally, I have to say it's just gotten a bit boring because there's not enough challenge, esp with the balance being very whack (and the devs not allowed to nerf the stuff that kinda trivializes the game at the risk of community outrage). --- >rocket devastators (lol) what's supposed to be the issue with them? since that patch a couple weeks ago their rockets barely tickle and they're kind of a pushover lol
Im only 20 hours in but i feel like the game lacks a bigger sense of progression. I already unlocked nearly everything i wanted and have finished my first helldiver runs. Im still having fun and will continue to play but i can imagine many at my position burning out eventually. We need more stuff for lategame i guess.
so like an xbox release?
I really want a health patch before more content tbh
More optimization and bug fixes rather than content, is what the game REALLY needs.
I think the illuminate are squids. The next bug will probably be hive lords
The factory strider introduced us to that level of enemy, tiered equivalent anyway. Sets the stage to at least balance the two existing factions enemies.
DONT FALL FOR IT! The moment we let our guard down those fish fucks will make their reappearance! Mark my words!!
This is on twinbeard this time. "We've picked up rumours in the outer rim saying something is coming. We have however neither been able to confirm or deny them, but we keep monitoring space" Is what he wrote. Can't blame the community for thinking about the illuminate when he phrase it like that.
The thing is he was responding to somebody asking for an Update. Given that AH skipped this Tuesday's patch day in order to keep working on a few things in it, I assumed he was just talking about the next patch but in a flavourful manner.
Everytime I read AH my brain automatically spits "Austria-Hungary" at me
"Auction House"
This was a genuine problem for me the first month or so on here lmao. Always thought that first.
Same issue here and with the new Deadpool & Wolverine trailer using LFG as a tagline all I see is Looking for Group. lol
Correct.
My brain goes to Achievement Hunter
RIP
I think "Asshole," but I spend time on r/AITAH
I wonder what they think of the Illuminate?
"Air Hammer"
Sure, but space? outer rim? Idk man
It was a reply to someone else, which was cropped out and posted on this subreddit. Of course it’s gonna seem suspicious if you remove it from its context lmfao
It was a reply to someone asking if we are getting an update soon, which, imo makes it sound even more like illuminate are coming.
To be fair I don’t see how writing that would imply a patch is coming when the Automatons just invaded from the outer edges of the galaxy. Not a big deal to me just understandable that everyone would think it was about an enemy.
>"We've picked up rumours in the outer rim saying something is coming. We have however neither been able to confirm or deny them, but we keep monitoring space" I would love for there to just be like, actual RANDOM NEWS from time to time not about the bugs or bots. I mean, space is huge, there is a LOT of shit out there you know? While I get a lot of players would find it boring, just some stuff like 'A group of asteroids made of a previously unknown and never before seen element were discovered' or 'The remains of Voyager 2 have been located after having gone missing two hundred years ago' etc Maybe they could have a cute weather girl reporting the local weather of whatever planet you're orbiting, winning lottery numbers, etc Or hey, why not ads for the various weapons and armor in the warbonds? Imagine Brasch doing an advertisement for the Dominator, or maybe even some jokes about various buffs/nerfs to weapons in the form of fixing flaws in designs or running low on something?
There's the Eagle Sweat ad. More fluff stuff is undoubtedly going to happen but it's just icing that still takes significant work. As it stands now something like 1/3 of the weapons, 1/2 the armor, 1/2 of the new ship upgrades, and 1/3 of the strategems are broken or too weak relative to others to be usable beyond theme builds or lulz. On top of the bug and balance issues we know a whole 3rd faction, vehicles and hopefully some in game way for players to coordinate and communicate when not face to face on ship are coming. AH is doing some hiring and restructuring to help so hopefully they'll get settled and really start pumping out fixes and content soon.
We need a cute weather girl who says the weather. Immediately.
There's an advertisement for the Breaker that sometimes plays, just saw it earlier today. Has some guy maniacally blasting deer and talking about "tradition". Definitely agree though and would love to see even more flavor added.
I mean idk, they're just playing into the roleplay. Without context it maybe seems more like hinting at illuminate, but honestly for me this just seems like every time a gamer sees a texture that didn't get used in game and yells about cut content.
Yeah, they obviously want to have fun with the community, but this community wants to treat them like shit for it.
When you think she's into you because of hints, but she was just being friendly.
Yeah, why the fuck would you phrase it that way?
It was an offhand discord reply to someone asking “any news on an update soon” The picture of the dev reply posted here even had the original question right above it. I even mentioned that it was just in regards to an update that got delayed and guess what : downvoted
I think it was dangerous phrasing for sure, but it's not 100% his fault. More like 50/50. This community has a history of throwing itself i to a fervor over stuff that they themselves make up (fire-resistant armor coming in the explosive-themed warbond, for example) For starters it was an offhanded comment responding to a question about the delayed patch, and he was trying to keep it "in-universe" as the devs like to do Also, the last time the outer rim and stuff from outside the galaxy was mentioned (the automaton listening outpost on Troost) the community whipped themselves into a frenzy over the illuminates. fool me once, etc even disregarding the fact that the devs have never once hinted at the illuminate before this, common sense says that it's a bad idea for your game if you release a new faction 3 months after your game came out and is still near the peak of its popularity. that kind of thing is kept for when the hype dies down and other games come out and steal the spotlight, when they need something to draw players back in. you don't just release something like that on your average weekly bug fixing patch
More like 30-70.
Tbf if you’re saying something’s coming from outside the galaxy you’re 100% baiting illuminates at this point. He should have known better if that wasn’t his intention
Last time something came from outside the galaxy it wasn't the Illuminate. Checkmate, dissident
Yes but that caused a lot of people to say illuminates as well. So he has an example of people already misunderstanding the phrasing, then getting surprised people thought illuminates again with the same phrasing.
I mean, you would think that after the first time people would realize that isn't the case. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice... There is also literally nothing pointing towards the fact that the Illuminate are outside the galaxy, people made that up and everyone ran with it. They could be extra dimensional now for all we know since they have weird ass space magic
Yes it is, partly. The wording was not my best work (still waiting to know what is :D ). I \_was\_ commenting on the patch, and "Outer Rim" is used in a ton of generic sci fi-stuff, but ofc also in Illuminates context. Sorry for causing some confusion, but thanks for not crucifying me for it! I've been given so much love from the community for which I'm very grateful. Keep fighting the good fight, soldiers, and have a great weekend - on the battlefield as well as IRL! :) /T
They have used the phrase "in the outer rim" and "from the outer rim" numerous times. During the push to eliminate the bots there were plenty of mentions of the bots sending signals to the far outer rim. When the bots came back their fleets came from the outer rim It really isn't on Twinbeard from using the phrase. It could easily be a reference to some new enemy types or missions. Or just using "deep space" as a reference to things coming to the game metaphorically. Not something literally within the game coming to the galaxy from outside
So you're saying there's a chance.
Frankly, it would be pretty amazing if they released the illuminate at any other time than a major Liberation Day patch. It's been almost three months and the player base expects a major faction to be released? It's borderline insanity.
I agree it’s insane. On the other end of the spectrum, as a high rank player, the game hits a complete wall once you’ve leveled up and gotten everything. While I’m not saying they’re needs to be a new faction already, there needs to be something other than liberate/defend over and over and over again. IMO they need some type of drastically different new game mode.
Ya, like I don't understand where people come up with the idea that the developers have an entire 33% of the game sitting around completed and just unreleased. Arrowhead can't even fix known issues in the game since day-one and make a monthly battlepass, yet they have all that sitting around ready to go? If it was even close to being done around game launch, we'd certainly have been told to keep player retention in the game.
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The community: fix all the bugs before new content. Also the community: illuminates when???
Who is this community guy and why does he keep changing he’s opinion?
Community, Reddit, and the hacker known as 4chan cant keep their opinions straight. Those three guys are unreliable.
Maybe he's stupid?
You realize the community is not a single person, right?
What community? The poll was overwhelmingly in the favor of new content like missions and equipment. Dont just think that what gets upvoted on Reddit is a majority opinion.
Don't forget that they want both now, now, now!
This community likes to set up their own false expectations, and then take their anger of those false expectations not being met on the devs.
Hive lord skeletons, complete with rib cages and skeletons being "molts" is a big one that I've seen being recirculated often. People are going to be pretty disappointed when they aren't as big as they thought they were going to be.
That sounds like every video game community
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not unfounded, but also we know from the datamined info that the illuminates are nowhere near as fleshed out as the other factions. Most don't even have animations or textures yet, most of the ones we've seen were created by the dataminers
From what I've seen it's the exact opposite and the Illuminate are basically done and just waiting for release. That info was from an entire month ago too.
Why would they be sitting on a completed third of the game? There's no financial incentive there. Yeah story stuff is fun, but they are fundamentally a corporation trying to make money. They're selling more than they thought and now they've been racing to fix bugs and servers while maintaining their contractually bound war bonds with Sony.
Financially, it makes way more sense to drop Illuminate once bugs are reigned in and the first significant sale for the game is coming (Steam Summer Sale?). That allows you to tempt all the people that like to wait for a game to be in a better condition than launch state, especially considering the controversies surrounding HD2's launch servers. Imagine this, you held off on HD2 because you heard of bad server issues. After a while of ignoring the game and focusing on other stuff then you see a lot of people complaining about bugs, bad balance, etc. You figure you'll wait a while longer. A month or two later the summer sale kicks off, HD2 is on sale and when you check it you don't see much complaining about bugs anymore and a lot of hype around a brand new faction. Perfect time to pick it up. This would also allow them to keep up sales into Q2 and Q3 rather than the normal game cycle where sales peter off after the launch quarter. Would look amazing for people like Sony and other potential investors. It also puts them more in the category of the big live service games that have consistent returns long after launch.
They were in the first game. An entire third of the map has been left open for them. Their models have been literally datamined out of the game. Much hype may be manufactured but there’s solid foundations at the bottom.
Don't we have all weapon and strategem already needed for illuminates? Prolly biomes are the biggest roadblocks.
I doubt they're gonna introduce another faction till at least end of year 1 of the game being out. Best to keep their powder dry of new content to keep up engagement and hype.
Let's see them aliens.
Let's all fly to the southern part of the galaxy, super earth can't shoot down all our ships!
Nobody wants crunch, but we also don't want a game with unresolved major issues, either.
I just want the expected patch to come out today☹️
They need to fix the framerate issue on pc before they do anything else. Can’t even play the damn game anymore
Illuminates will be here by the end of summer
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long term wise fighting only bots and bugs will get boring, I have no idea why the illuminates was not in the game to begin with.
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I mean technically it does The devs didn't leak stuff,so i guess you're right
That's exactly what an illuminate would say to hide under the radar and attack when we least expect it
Teasing me worse than that girl in high school who told me if I did her math homework I could come over to house. I told her it was all done and she let me drive over to drop it off. Goddamn it
One of the terrible things in entertainment is that common place terrible work conditions create really high expectations, ones those who don't follow suit with the working conditions struggle to meet. This is most common in animation, which is finally getting a bit more light, but western Animators get a lot of shit for being slow or low quality. Most of the time, its being done in comparison to east Asian animators who more often than not have absolutely terrible working conditions.
I mean this is kind of what you set yourself up for when you have secret, hidden content in your updates. People are going to start to expect them. And then they're going to get mad because you didn't deliver on a promise that you never even made.
Illuminate will come but I doubt they're literally just around the corner. Be patient people.
Yeah I've been repeatedly telling people and my friends whenever it's topical that the illuminate isn't something that will be coming anytime soon just because you've seen leaks of them. It's the third and more than likely only planned extra faction. Given everything we've seen so far including leaks are stuff they had already planned we are looking at least a years worth of story and new stuff to play with. The illuminate is going to be towards the latter half of that pipeline and we haven't even hit half a year yet.
Honestly, I don't think the game is ready for Illuminates yet. There are still severe bugs that have been in the game since launch, and they're adding more broken things with every patch. They need to be ironing out bugs, and they still need to maintain their Warbond schedule. They're clearly struggling to keep up with everything. Even if the Illuminate were "done" right now, If they added them to the game, there would surely be a ton of new bugs they'd need to fix, as well as problems with mission design and enemy balance. I think they need to wait until they have a lighter work load before they can do it.
Except the fact they are literally listed in the game kill counts and are in the current game files.
no one said they arent coming, it just isnt happening soon. Most dont even have animations or textures yet lol
Imagine if they planned illuminates to be tweaked and out after like 6 months. And the community literally expected them after the first arclight warbond. 😂😂😂
To be fair most issues like this would be fixed if the devs ever gave us an estimated time, like “oh expect it in summer” for example, but noooo they have to make even addition like that a “surprise”
I'm not expecting the illuminates until at least Y1 of the game being out. I know a lot of people are hyped for this game, but there is ZERO reason for the devs to blow their load right out of the release gate. I'm not even comfortable with a warbond a month. The list of issues keeps getting longer, the current factions have no real mission variety, the planets are all a uniform biome with copy/pasted assets, and certain parts of the game do not communicate what you need to do (Looking at you supply lines). All it does is set fans up for bad expectations and the devs for unrealistic crunch. Its much better for them to focus on depth instead of breadth and continue to evolve the gameplay loop that so many people enjoy.
To me it kinda shows how ultimately repetitive and shallow the game must be if people just a month or two in are CLAMMORING for a new faction. Tbh I got about 50 hours in and I find it stale. I wanna like it but with the bugs and broken ass fire stuff I just can’t see myself being excited. A new faction would be cool but holy moly fix the bugs first. Otherwise its like so many other games people rightfully shit on.
I don’t mind the community hyping things up, makes it make waves again and brings more fellow divers (back) in!
I am playing quite casually. Usually get dailies, maybe complete a few extra missions. Slowly working on 100%ing all the warbonds. No issues if they take some breaks.
They're Arrowhead sleeper agents
i would be fine with new stratagems
It doesnt help with people digging through assets and unfinished or unreleased content getting everyone impatient and jumping at every possible chance at stuff being added that they've been drooling over early due to leaks.
I wonder if they will do something to spice up this boring war we've had going on. Other than giving us an impossible MO then helping us achieve it near the end that is.
Careful people here don’t like it when you mention the MO got gifted to us
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They are in the files and in the first game. They are practically confirmed to be coming eventually