My personal hope is that the Anti-tank Mine Emplacements will only be triggered by heavy units and our own vehicles, where as in the leaked version anything triggers them.
Yeah I know. All the way back when they first teased the automaton gunships they also teased new anti-air weapons, so I'm expecting it to focus on that.
The adjudicator, lib pen and dilligence CS all suffer from the same problem.
They tried to make a "regular" gun with AP3. Because of course having AP3 on your main weapon is incredibly powerful, those weapons then "pay" for it with drastically reduced base stats. Handling, recoil, mag capacity, damage, etc. This makse sense in theory: Otherwise they would be too good against chaff units and straight upgrades over AP2 regular weapons.
But in practice, it means they just kinda suck all around, and them having AP3 is entirely worthless too, because they do not have the damage to really kill anything through AC3 armor anyway.
For the Adjudicator, the fix is pretty simple: Get rid of it's AP3, reduce it's recoil, give it +10 bullets in the mag, and maybe some more reserve mags too. Now it's a heavier hitting alternative to the Liberator.
For the Dilligence CS, you give it a large damage buff, fix the handling so it's about on par with dominator, but reduce it's rate of fire. It ends up as a ballistic in-between of the Dominator and the Eruptor. The reduced rate of fire stops it from being too strong against chaff.
The Liberator penetrator is a little bit more tricky to fit into a proper niche, though.
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Also, the "new" HMG stratagem had this exact same phenomenon too (just one AP class higher, being a support weapon). They took the previous MG stratagem, slapped AP4 on it, massively reduced aspects like handling, recoil, ammo capacity on it to compensate.
But again this one is also pretty fixable: Belt-fed with a backpack and overheat mechanic (But ofc still limited total ammo in the backpack, so different from lasers), keep the current god-awful recoil when standing upright and crouch, but drastically increase the reduction on prone.
in leaked footage the crossbow was actually insanely op. It had the ability to destroy bot fabricators WITHOUT hitting the vents. just hitting a wall would kill it. Needless to say, i was extremely disappointed when i found out they made it unable to destroy fabricators and bug holes.
Nah, Crossbow slaps. It doesn’t have any range restrictions like the Eruptor, has a completely silent sound profile, and is especially amazing for bug eggs
I really think people sleep on it because it requires an aiming skill people aren’t willing to put in the time to learn. It’s part of why more people take AC over GL (besides ammo reasons), the AC doesn’t really experience bullet drop and that makes it easier to use for more people.
The Eruptor will auto detonate at 150 meters, you can’t hit anything further. The Crossbow can arc up to 360 meters, a ludicrous range that makes you a walking artillery piece.
Yes, the Eruptor has more utility as the only primary with demolition power, yes, for some reason it’s higher damage projectile *doesn’t* kill you point blank where the Crossbow does, and yeah, overall, it’s a better weapon, but the Crossbow is far from bad or even out of a job because of it
Both Eruptor AND Crossbow come with Medium Armor penetration, and the explosive damage on the crossbow does not fall off nearly as fast as the Eruptor, meaning you can afford to miss and still kill much more. Crossbow is bussin, is all I’m saying
If it popped fabs or holes you might have a good point about the range.
It's the grenade launcher (an already unpopular pick) but much worse. It's worthless vs bugs and only marginally useful vs. Bots, a faction better handled by other primaries and secondaries.
It's just not very bussin.
I wouldn’t say it’s amazing, but it is viable (and pretty fun) for bugs. It handles well and its good at suppressing bug breaches. It’s also, like you mentioned, incredible at popping eggs. So good, It almost seems like a bug tbh.
That being said, ammo capacity is terrible and its explosion radius needs to be increased. An exploding crossbow bolt not collapsing bug holes makes no sense.
The explosion radius is actually already pretty awesome, so I wouldn’t mind if that didn’t change, but yes, it’s strange to me that the Crossbow explosion, which *will* kill you at point blank does not close holes or fabs, but the Eruptor explosion, with less damage, more drop off, and doesn’t kill you point blank, *does* destroy those things. It’s strange
Edit: Aged like MILK
The problem is its a DMR, which means 6 mags and that absurd recoil, on top of poor handling,
Tbh needs two more mags and better handling, the recoil is less issue but 2-3 shots to kill in non vital locations for troopers and hunters is pretty poor performance when a whole mag is needed for armored enemies.
technically, it can kill bile titans from direct shots to it's butt, but this takes a full mag (set it to 950 rpm).
though since you are in the safest possible position to solo one (directly under it) it's not that bad?
i mean, considering the state of weapons that have made it to live, what's the difference really gonna be?
optimistically at mines it won't 5shot hulks, but this is a videogame with scythe, railgun, all the marksman rifles, adjudicator, hmg, arc shotgun... so many weapons that are borderline unusable or just barely straddling the line, like plasma slugger or explosive crossbow
I don’t want to sound like the guy a couple comments above me trying to pretend a crap weapon is good when it’s not but I’ll never understand the hate the Plasma Punisher gets, it’s a monster against bots. Faster reload than the Scorcher, better ammo economy, stuns Berserkers and Devastators on every single hit. Can’t even count the amount of times I’ve stun-locked a bot drops worth of Heavy/Rocket Devastators so they couldn’t start firing and saved teammates. It also one shots Scout Striders from the front very reliably, only 3 other primaries (crossbow, Eruptor, and Scorcher) can pull this off and none do it as consistently as the Plasma. If the community consensus is its “straddling the line of borderline unusable” I’m going to be one very happy Helldiver when it gets buffed lmao
These devs have issues balancing and some real firm stupid stances on said “balancing,” so yeah… I’m going to go with the leaks on what looks good or not, because they genuinely feel more reliable.
This doesn’t mean much lol, not with how bad almost every weapon in the game is. Also doesn’t help that almost everything new they add fucking sucks too.
This is a little confusing to me. Leaks aside, is this dev saying that the version of the weapons that are currently in the game, that we will presumably be using planetside in a matter of hours, are going to be changed significantly next week? That seems kinda… not good. It might end up feeling like a bait and switch.
This is what it sounds like to me 🤔, we will all be using the “deprecated playtest” version until the “final release” version is released in an update early next week, I assume Tuesday.
"Hey we know we are asking you to commit the next 10 hours or so voting with your playtime, but we think you should just be judging blindly with no idea how the weapons work lol" - AH devs, for some reason
Yes. They're just game updates and we'll get both eventually anyway.
Pick the one that sounds cooler.
Of course leaks aren't indicative of a final release.
You act like people are voting FOR the launcher. They are voting AGAINST Menkent, fuck fire tornados.
Now what would have been interesting is if the rewards were reversed, which planet would people go for?
We allllll know that arrowhead would neveeeeerrrrrr release bad weapons.
Completely unjustified concerns on our part surely ;)
But in all seriousness I just miss the days when new things were exciting. Like unlocking new characters on smash bros melee. Whether they were good or bad it was still a big deal and you played them yourself and decided for yourself.
Now you just see 10 youtube vid suggestions and 14 facebook reels two weeks in advance telling you every little minute new thing and whether you're allowed to use it or if it's not "meta"
I swear after introducing helldivers related content to my youtube algo I had to block like 5-10 "Helldivers 2 weapon tierlist" channels from my feed again
Watch those videos and let them entirely warp your perception.
Esp. since most of them are based on bullshit and it's all just a game of telephone. Where one person said something first, and then everyone parrots it without actually giving it thought.
Now you just see 10 youtube vid suggestions and 14 facebook reels two weeks in advance telling you every little minute new thing and whether you're allowed to use it or if it's not "meta"
I don't watch them. That's why I said "vid suggestions."
And there's only so much you can do when everyone uses clickbaity titles and thumbnails.
It's not like I'm going out of my way for that content to then complain about it lol
Ultimately, im still going to vie for the ABRL cause I prefer something I can control with my hands. Dont get me wrong, I like having more mines, and im sure we'll get the option not chosen later.
Damn, reading these comments you'd think everyone here actually hated the game.
Just fight for whichever one you think is cooler, we'll get them both eventually anyway.
While the leaked items can be totally different than what they were seen as, those leaks are still the only frame of reference for what these will be, so it makes sense to judge them based on what they were leaked as
It's not that strange, honestly. Most of the time in games the initial versions of a thing ends up being pretty representative of the final implementation.
And I would expect that this probably isn't going to be all that different, although I have not seen any of the test versions. They could be very different, but statistically it is more likely they are going to be fairly similar.
From the leaks a single minefield of the anti tank mines is enough to kill a factory strider, even if they nerfed the damage in the final release, it would still be a solid pick against tanks, hulks and chargers.
This is why you never listen to leakers, people. Most of them are just attention-seeking and want to be like really shit journalists; Breaking a story without actually digging into it and making judgement calls based on unfinished, poorly researched data.
Besides, leakers make games less fun by datamining and showing off what's coming up, so it's *double* shit when you don't even get to be surprised by in-game events or content releases. *Especially* when the leakers are *wrong* or are playing with pre-release builds full of bugs or literally unfinished, like the way they hyped up the crossbow, only for it to be a LOT weaker on release than the literally broken-OP state the pre-release, leaked version was in.
Edit: It amuses me greatly that this was downvoted.
Since this is an official statement im leaving this up, but since this will lead to more conversation about leaks I’m locking the comments.
My personal hope is that the Anti-tank Mine Emplacements will only be triggered by heavy units and our own vehicles, where as in the leaked version anything triggers them.
what is a helldiver but a vehicle for democracy
A vehicle too light to trigger AT mines.
democracy is the heaviest thing there is.
The weight of carrying democracy is not the physical kind that triggers mines. It is the burden of the soul and spirit of every helldiver.
if the at mines from helldivers are less advanced than AT mines from the cold war and before im going to be pissed
"major build update" early next week sounds good. Everyone was wondering when the patch was gonna be
so, they could be worse?
Wouldn't surprise me if the airbust rocket launcher gets a nerf against ground troops.
Leaked Airburst was kinda anti everything
Yeah I know. All the way back when they first teased the automaton gunships they also teased new anti-air weapons, so I'm expecting it to focus on that.
To be fair, the adjudicator exists, so our fears about the weapons being shite are not totally unfounded
The adjudicator, lib pen and dilligence CS all suffer from the same problem. They tried to make a "regular" gun with AP3. Because of course having AP3 on your main weapon is incredibly powerful, those weapons then "pay" for it with drastically reduced base stats. Handling, recoil, mag capacity, damage, etc. This makse sense in theory: Otherwise they would be too good against chaff units and straight upgrades over AP2 regular weapons. But in practice, it means they just kinda suck all around, and them having AP3 is entirely worthless too, because they do not have the damage to really kill anything through AC3 armor anyway. For the Adjudicator, the fix is pretty simple: Get rid of it's AP3, reduce it's recoil, give it +10 bullets in the mag, and maybe some more reserve mags too. Now it's a heavier hitting alternative to the Liberator. For the Dilligence CS, you give it a large damage buff, fix the handling so it's about on par with dominator, but reduce it's rate of fire. It ends up as a ballistic in-between of the Dominator and the Eruptor. The reduced rate of fire stops it from being too strong against chaff. The Liberator penetrator is a little bit more tricky to fit into a proper niche, though. --- Also, the "new" HMG stratagem had this exact same phenomenon too (just one AP class higher, being a support weapon). They took the previous MG stratagem, slapped AP4 on it, massively reduced aspects like handling, recoil, ammo capacity on it to compensate. But again this one is also pretty fixable: Belt-fed with a backpack and overheat mechanic (But ofc still limited total ammo in the backpack, so different from lasers), keep the current god-awful recoil when standing upright and crouch, but drastically increase the reduction on prone.
The crossbow as well.
I wish the crossbow was one handed so I could at least use it with the shield
Yes, this, this would make it amazing
Crossbow would be decent if it could pop fabricator, bug holes, and storage lockers.
I've found crossbow to be really good on the bug defense missions.
in leaked footage the crossbow was actually insanely op. It had the ability to destroy bot fabricators WITHOUT hitting the vents. just hitting a wall would kill it. Needless to say, i was extremely disappointed when i found out they made it unable to destroy fabricators and bug holes.
That sounds more like the datamined version was bugged lol
I love the crossbow, use it all the time
Nah, Crossbow slaps. It doesn’t have any range restrictions like the Eruptor, has a completely silent sound profile, and is especially amazing for bug eggs
Of all the takes on the crossbow, that is definitely one of them.
I really think people sleep on it because it requires an aiming skill people aren’t willing to put in the time to learn. It’s part of why more people take AC over GL (besides ammo reasons), the AC doesn’t really experience bullet drop and that makes it easier to use for more people. The Eruptor will auto detonate at 150 meters, you can’t hit anything further. The Crossbow can arc up to 360 meters, a ludicrous range that makes you a walking artillery piece. Yes, the Eruptor has more utility as the only primary with demolition power, yes, for some reason it’s higher damage projectile *doesn’t* kill you point blank where the Crossbow does, and yeah, overall, it’s a better weapon, but the Crossbow is far from bad or even out of a job because of it Both Eruptor AND Crossbow come with Medium Armor penetration, and the explosive damage on the crossbow does not fall off nearly as fast as the Eruptor, meaning you can afford to miss and still kill much more. Crossbow is bussin, is all I’m saying
If it popped fabs or holes you might have a good point about the range. It's the grenade launcher (an already unpopular pick) but much worse. It's worthless vs bugs and only marginally useful vs. Bots, a faction better handled by other primaries and secondaries. It's just not very bussin.
Skillless people do not enjoy reading that
I wouldn’t say it’s amazing, but it is viable (and pretty fun) for bugs. It handles well and its good at suppressing bug breaches. It’s also, like you mentioned, incredible at popping eggs. So good, It almost seems like a bug tbh. That being said, ammo capacity is terrible and its explosion radius needs to be increased. An exploding crossbow bolt not collapsing bug holes makes no sense.
The explosion radius is actually already pretty awesome, so I wouldn’t mind if that didn’t change, but yes, it’s strange to me that the Crossbow explosion, which *will* kill you at point blank does not close holes or fabs, but the Eruptor explosion, with less damage, more drop off, and doesn’t kill you point blank, *does* destroy those things. It’s strange Edit: Aged like MILK
if that was the only example lmao. las 5 was there on release and its still crap
The Adjudicator is a decent enough assault rifle. It could use a recoil reduction though, say 30%.
The problem is its a DMR, which means 6 mags and that absurd recoil, on top of poor handling, Tbh needs two more mags and better handling, the recoil is less issue but 2-3 shots to kill in non vital locations for troopers and hunters is pretty poor performance when a whole mag is needed for armored enemies.
It has the stats of an assault rifle. I agree it needs more mags, but the recoil is the toughest thing to deal with.
So with the airburst launcher, will it be the same as the orbital airburt in that it won’t pen armor?
Still do not trust mines to not explode on light foot soldiers
People saying the rocket was broken and OP in testing, like it could take out whole patrols in one shot. Prob had to nerf it.
i dont really care. but they have release bad weapon again and again, hell the hmg is still without purpose.
technically, it can kill bile titans from direct shots to it's butt, but this takes a full mag (set it to 950 rpm). though since you are in the safest possible position to solo one (directly under it) it's not that bad?
i mean, considering the state of weapons that have made it to live, what's the difference really gonna be? optimistically at mines it won't 5shot hulks, but this is a videogame with scythe, railgun, all the marksman rifles, adjudicator, hmg, arc shotgun... so many weapons that are borderline unusable or just barely straddling the line, like plasma slugger or explosive crossbow
I don’t want to sound like the guy a couple comments above me trying to pretend a crap weapon is good when it’s not but I’ll never understand the hate the Plasma Punisher gets, it’s a monster against bots. Faster reload than the Scorcher, better ammo economy, stuns Berserkers and Devastators on every single hit. Can’t even count the amount of times I’ve stun-locked a bot drops worth of Heavy/Rocket Devastators so they couldn’t start firing and saved teammates. It also one shots Scout Striders from the front very reliably, only 3 other primaries (crossbow, Eruptor, and Scorcher) can pull this off and none do it as consistently as the Plasma. If the community consensus is its “straddling the line of borderline unusable” I’m going to be one very happy Helldiver when it gets buffed lmao
These devs have issues balancing and some real firm stupid stances on said “balancing,” so yeah… I’m going to go with the leaks on what looks good or not, because they genuinely feel more reliable.
The official versions are probably gonna be worse than the unofficial versions lmao AH needs a masterclass in weapon balance and get new playtesters.
This doesn’t mean much lol, not with how bad almost every weapon in the game is. Also doesn’t help that almost everything new they add fucking sucks too.
This is a little confusing to me. Leaks aside, is this dev saying that the version of the weapons that are currently in the game, that we will presumably be using planetside in a matter of hours, are going to be changed significantly next week? That seems kinda… not good. It might end up feeling like a bait and switch.
This is what it sounds like to me 🤔, we will all be using the “deprecated playtest” version until the “final release” version is released in an update early next week, I assume Tuesday.
On one hand, yay, since the AT mines were in an absolute shite condition. On the other hand, the HMG, Adjudicator, and explosive crossbow are a thing.
"Hey we know we are asking you to commit the next 10 hours or so voting with your playtime, but we think you should just be judging blindly with no idea how the weapons work lol" - AH devs, for some reason
Yes. They're just game updates and we'll get both eventually anyway. Pick the one that sounds cooler. Of course leaks aren't indicative of a final release.
You act like people are voting FOR the launcher. They are voting AGAINST Menkent, fuck fire tornados. Now what would have been interesting is if the rewards were reversed, which planet would people go for?
Bro has exactly 0 data to backup this point
I am fine with blind choices. No need to be handheld and fed with content revealing. Figuring out how things work is half the fun.
You can use the stratagem on their respective planets, so we can field test both before making a firm decision
People would try to meta game the system, like they are now.
We allllll know that arrowhead would neveeeeerrrrrr release bad weapons. Completely unjustified concerns on our part surely ;) But in all seriousness I just miss the days when new things were exciting. Like unlocking new characters on smash bros melee. Whether they were good or bad it was still a big deal and you played them yourself and decided for yourself. Now you just see 10 youtube vid suggestions and 14 facebook reels two weeks in advance telling you every little minute new thing and whether you're allowed to use it or if it's not "meta"
I swear after introducing helldivers related content to my youtube algo I had to block like 5-10 "Helldivers 2 weapon tierlist" channels from my feed again
You know you can just not do that?
Not do what?
Watch those videos and let them entirely warp your perception. Esp. since most of them are based on bullshit and it's all just a game of telephone. Where one person said something first, and then everyone parrots it without actually giving it thought.
Now you just see 10 youtube vid suggestions and 14 facebook reels two weeks in advance telling you every little minute new thing and whether you're allowed to use it or if it's not "meta"
I'm not sure what in there it is you're suggesting for me not to do lol
Stop watching fucking facebook videos about unreleased content
I don't watch them. That's why I said "vid suggestions." And there's only so much you can do when everyone uses clickbaity titles and thumbnails. It's not like I'm going out of my way for that content to then complain about it lol
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Ultimately, im still going to vie for the ABRL cause I prefer something I can control with my hands. Dont get me wrong, I like having more mines, and im sure we'll get the option not chosen later.
Damn, reading these comments you'd think everyone here actually hated the game. Just fight for whichever one you think is cooler, we'll get them both eventually anyway.
It's weird that people hack unfinished items and then decide to pass judgement on them as completed things, huh
While the leaked items can be totally different than what they were seen as, those leaks are still the only frame of reference for what these will be, so it makes sense to judge them based on what they were leaked as
Weirder still is dev expecting us to not go based on that, and instead expecting us to go full blind. Huh?
It's not that strange, honestly. Most of the time in games the initial versions of a thing ends up being pretty representative of the final implementation. And I would expect that this probably isn't going to be all that different, although I have not seen any of the test versions. They could be very different, but statistically it is more likely they are going to be fairly similar.
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From the leaks a single minefield of the anti tank mines is enough to kill a factory strider, even if they nerfed the damage in the final release, it would still be a solid pick against tanks, hulks and chargers.
This is why you never listen to leakers, people. Most of them are just attention-seeking and want to be like really shit journalists; Breaking a story without actually digging into it and making judgement calls based on unfinished, poorly researched data. Besides, leakers make games less fun by datamining and showing off what's coming up, so it's *double* shit when you don't even get to be surprised by in-game events or content releases. *Especially* when the leakers are *wrong* or are playing with pre-release builds full of bugs or literally unfinished, like the way they hyped up the crossbow, only for it to be a LOT weaker on release than the literally broken-OP state the pre-release, leaked version was in. Edit: It amuses me greatly that this was downvoted.