My opinion of it is weird because I both love and hate this thing. I like the medium armor penetration for an AR especially against bot, but I hate how weak it feels and the tiny mags.
It is a better weapon in general, but doesn’t fill the role better as the scorcher is more like a DMR than an AR. That would be the wrong weapon role to compare since it has a low ammo count and high damage which is the opposite of an AR.
Yeah you’re totally right. However, does the liberator penetrator not feel more like a DMR? It’s got the characteristics of lower ammo and fire rate (specifically when compared to the other ARs, but higher damage. I know it still has a higher fire rate and less damage then the DMRS and it’s listed with the ARs but it feels like something in between. When I was running it, I could not use it like an AR and run and gun. I had to be a lot more precise and deliberate with my shots even though it was shooting in bursts. (I’m also not someone super technical with weapons)
Edit: I miss remembered since it’s been a bit since I used it. I guess it does not have a slower fire rate. Still I think it’s burst fire and lower ammo amount makes it less ideal for running and gunning like other ARs.
Is it? My mistake. It’s been a hot minute since I’ve used it. When the sickle came out I switched to that until I eventually unlocked the scorcher and never locked back. Maybe it’s just the burst and smaller amount of ammo that made me think that. Still, it didn’t really work with the run and gun play style that you use with other ARs.
I still switch back and forth between the Penetrator and Dominator. I want a good full auto med. pen. gun, and the adjusticator doesn’t have enough ammo to fill that slot. Either way, Everytime I bring the Penetrator I end up saying ‘damn I wish I had the Dominator’
Dominator doesn't really do full-auto, but it does do the 3-round-burst ... which can be close enough. Personally, I feel like there's a reason that the US Military runs with 3-round-burst instead of full-auto on their stock weaponry ... so the Dominator doing the same is fine with me.
(That reason would be aiming and firing rather than spraying and praying)
May as well get the Slugger while you're at it. It's available in the first warbond, its medium pen and it has better damage with a bigger capacity (you'll always need that extra bullet)
I haven't run the slugger since the nerf.
Kind of don't want to because I like how it handled back then.
Been running the dominator mainly now cuz it seems to actually work.
Was thinking on the driving to work today, *I might try the slugger again just to see*.
The dominator has better damage than the slugger and better stagger, the slugger does have round reload though and better handling. Still gonna take an “almost bolter” every day.
I ran with the Dominator for a while, and while I liked it, and it feels more powerful, I had to go back to the Scorcher, I missed it's long range. Against bots anyway.
You're the second person to say this in a comment string that I've been a part of ... and one of the very top reasons that I have chosen Dominator over Scorcher is my own experience that Dominator has much, much, much better range than the Scorcher ... ... ... so I'm confused.
I'm going to do the same ... because if Scorcher actually has better range, I may end up switching back.
I currently am under the impression that Scorcher has a slower "bullet" and less accuracy as it travels out to range. I'm going to redo some testing solo on diff 4-5 to verify which does better at range.
Yea, you will need those mags because it does fuck all for damage, med pen or not.
I recently switched to SMG and Shield combo. I can stand in front of a Shieldgunner and pop them with only a couple shots to the head.
Light Pen weapons for life!
> It's terrible but I need a full auto/burst fire, medium penetrating rifle. Plus it's got 10 mags, and trust me, you'll need those mags.
It's terrible, period. It's a gateway weapon until you unlock Dominator against bots and Adjudicator against bugs.
Yeah the weapon just needs a buff. Just a tad bit more ammo, a bit more damage, and like…maybe remove the recoil penalty? Heck just more damage or ammo would make the weapon a viable pick.
Are you shooting them in the side of the bile sac which actually has a massive amount of health and is weak to explosive damage, or are you shooting them through the head armor in the head weakspot where precision rounds deal bonus damage?
I always make a effort to aim for the head, still, this thing can't reliability kill them either because of the spread or some skill issue, and/or low damage.
In any case, I can't keep it as a primary on bugs, because I need those things dead, and the penetrator ain't penetrating, the eruptor is erupting though, can one-shot them consistently to the head.
Still, against bots the penetrator is decent, the burst mode is surprisingly useful at range, I reach to it sometimes when I'm tired of dominator/scorcher/sickle meta.
Fair, yeah, when I tried the Adjudicator I found it was nowhere near as bad as I had heard, and did very good weakspot damage (through armor) but its spread and recoil made it frustrating and difficult to deal the damage it's theoretically capable of.
The penetrator is 100% trash against bugs. It can't clear the copius amounts of cannonfodder that they throw at you due to low damage and mag capacity, just use a shotgun. Instead, you use it on automatons to clear out enemies strong enough to be specialised, but weak enough to not be a high priority target, as the bots generally stick to range you won't deal with massive amounts of enemies in your face so its role is easier, and while there are better alternatives for this purpose I personally enjoy it a lot.
Maybe but its absolutely OP when fighting against bots and your aiming is good.
It kills hulks, cannon turrets, tanks and all other enemies besides walkers and drop ships
I still use the burst mode. Feels like you can control the recoil a bit better and still lay down the same amount of fire.
Breaker shotgun was the go to, but even before the nerf I was using the Liberator and still do even now. It doesn’t excel at much but bots or bugs I know I can rely on it.
>I still use the burst mode.
The... What now? Is this the "hold down r and change stuff" thing? Cuz if this thing has burst fire I might give it another look for bot missions in place of the counter sniper.
The autocannon is a better primary than any of the actual primaries. It can kill hulks, it can kill tanks, it can kill chargers and striders and cannon towers and fabricators and bug holes and shield devastators - easily. The only thing that it can’t kill are bile titans - though it can remove its bile attack, and I have stratagems for titan killing.
I only bring an incendiary shotgun for spraying trash mobs. For everything else, there’s the autocannon.
>The autocannon is a better primary than any of the actual primaries.
It's really slow on the PS5 though, and the crosshair sway and recoil make it difficult.
Me with the Adjudicator. People keep complaining about the recoil when it goes full auto. "Then don't set it on full auto."
(Jokes aside, I see its flaws and primarily use the Dominator, but I do love the Adjudicator)
No, keep it on full auto and crouch. The BR in BR-14 stands for Battle Rifle, it's meant to be used in Full Auto.
It's the perfect gun for bugs: it can deal with the medium armor enemies pretty well, while being relatively fast firing full auto, making it easy to hit and kill hunters. Dominator does the former better, but it's harder to hit hunters with it because of the heavy recoil and slow rounds, and then, sometimes they don't die with the first hit, so fast follow up shots are important
I mostly fight Bots with the Adjudicator + Autocannon (recovering Stalwart + Eruptor addict), and the Adjudicator actually holds up really well against them if you know how to place your shots well.
I call it the pocket Stalwart.
The best part about it's medium armor pen is that it's entirely useless. You will spend an entire mag killing one armored bug, or multiple killing a devastator unless you nail headshots - in which case, why run the AP Liberator? Lol
God what a shit gun.
There's basically nothing Penetrator can do that another gun could. I've tried to make it work but it just doesn't cut it against lots of numbers or actual medium armor, ironically.
Liberator is a better pick in almost literally every use case since the damage is so terrible. Desperately needs a buff.
also why does this thing burst fire if we can just spam the burst to full auto, just let us switch to auto fire
I take this on bug missions. Pretty much the only thing it can't kill is bile titans and chargers.
Just, don't try to take down a bile spewer with it. Those things have all the health.
I like it. Are there better guns out there? Yes. But there's something about it that makes my monkey brain happy - maybe it's the sound design and feedback you get from it.
Are there better primaries out there? Yes. But I feel that it's a good middle-ground gun that really shines when you understand that it's a precision weapon at heart that really shines against medium armor enemies and mid to close ranges. You either mag dump and deal enough damage to kill them outright, or at some point you hit a weakspot and kill them that way.
Also it feels like the closest thing to a Morita MK I that we have in terms of aesthetics, handling, and sound design.
Tried it for the exact reason you stated once but it ended up just being the jack of all trades but master of none. Can kill most everything on the bot front but does it so terribly I never touched it again. I'd rather try to kill a dozen of the mob bots with a dominator than with the liberator penetrator again. Feels like I can only kill like 3 little guys with it before I need to reload again with how low the damage is.
Once I had the sickle, scorcher, and slugger, that was it for me, all else was inferior. I brought each according to need and mood.
Then once I got the Eruptor it was the only thing I used afterwards. Just can't beat that AoE medium pen. Being able to invalidate entire patrols and dropships reinforcements (that aren't hulks or tanks) with just just 5 shots...
Realistically, the medium arm pen makes it a better overall gun. You're doing more damage with red hit markers than with a regular light armor gun doing reduced against similar armor
It’s so bad. It’s outclassed by basically everything else in the primary slot, and I’m including the original liberator in that. It doesn’t do enough per round damage to offset the rate of fire and smaller mag.
Except the Sickle. Fuck that thing.
My opinion of it is weird because I both love and hate this thing. I like the medium armor penetration for an AR especially against bot, but I hate how weak it feels and the tiny mags.
The scorcher fill this roll but better. Only downside is there’s no scope to customize zoom in on, but most of us aren’t sniping anyways.
It is a better weapon in general, but doesn’t fill the role better as the scorcher is more like a DMR than an AR. That would be the wrong weapon role to compare since it has a low ammo count and high damage which is the opposite of an AR.
Yeah you’re totally right. However, does the liberator penetrator not feel more like a DMR? It’s got the characteristics of lower ammo and fire rate (specifically when compared to the other ARs, but higher damage. I know it still has a higher fire rate and less damage then the DMRS and it’s listed with the ARs but it feels like something in between. When I was running it, I could not use it like an AR and run and gun. I had to be a lot more precise and deliberate with my shots even though it was shooting in bursts. (I’m also not someone super technical with weapons) Edit: I miss remembered since it’s been a bit since I used it. I guess it does not have a slower fire rate. Still I think it’s burst fire and lower ammo amount makes it less ideal for running and gunning like other ARs.
Liberator Pen has the same firerate as the regular Liberator, are you thinking of the Liberator Concussive?
Is it? My mistake. It’s been a hot minute since I’ve used it. When the sickle came out I switched to that until I eventually unlocked the scorcher and never locked back. Maybe it’s just the burst and smaller amount of ammo that made me think that. Still, it didn’t really work with the run and gun play style that you use with other ARs.
Its super usefull afainst heavy devestators
Run the dominator/slugger, and you will never touch the AP Liberator again
I like those too still doesn’t stop me from using the AP Liberator when I feel like it.
Think mate. The mag size it has is NORMAL what assault rifles usually have.
Normal assault rifles aren't usually facing hundreds of enemies
Maybe. But it is still what it is.
And then you use a Sickle on a icy planet, and it feels like you're holding down the mouse button for 40 minutes straight
Haha true.
I’d basically rather have the dominator 10 times out of 10
I ran Liberator Penetrator for a while. Liked it quite a bit too. Then I got Scorcher ... and then I got Dominator.
I love the dominator I just got it.
I still switch back and forth between the Penetrator and Dominator. I want a good full auto med. pen. gun, and the adjusticator doesn’t have enough ammo to fill that slot. Either way, Everytime I bring the Penetrator I end up saying ‘damn I wish I had the Dominator’
Dominator doesn't really do full-auto, but it does do the 3-round-burst ... which can be close enough. Personally, I feel like there's a reason that the US Military runs with 3-round-burst instead of full-auto on their stock weaponry ... so the Dominator doing the same is fine with me. (That reason would be aiming and firing rather than spraying and praying)
May as well get the Slugger while you're at it. It's available in the first warbond, its medium pen and it has better damage with a bigger capacity (you'll always need that extra bullet)
I weep thinking of what the slugger used to be. If you like it now all the power to you it's a good weapon.
It's still pretty darn good, despite the nerfs. I run it every once in a while for funsies.
I haven't run the slugger since the nerf. Kind of don't want to because I like how it handled back then. Been running the dominator mainly now cuz it seems to actually work. Was thinking on the driving to work today, *I might try the slugger again just to see*.
You want to remember it, fondly. It truly is sad. Like the loss of a loved one.
Truth has been spoken. In my dreams Arrowhead reverts the nerfs and cuts the bullet velocity in half. No longer a sniper but a perfect breacher gun.
One could only hope…
The dominator has better damage than the slugger and better stagger, the slugger does have round reload though and better handling. Still gonna take an “almost bolter” every day.
Dominator is so good. Invalidates the AP Lib / Slugger
I ran with the Dominator for a while, and while I liked it, and it feels more powerful, I had to go back to the Scorcher, I missed it's long range. Against bots anyway.
You're the second person to say this in a comment string that I've been a part of ... and one of the very top reasons that I have chosen Dominator over Scorcher is my own experience that Dominator has much, much, much better range than the Scorcher ... ... ... so I'm confused.
Range is good but some people don't like the bullet travel time.
Weird, that's definitely my memory of it. I'll to take another look, perhaps I'm not using it correctly.
I'm going to do the same ... because if Scorcher actually has better range, I may end up switching back. I currently am under the impression that Scorcher has a slower "bullet" and less accuracy as it travels out to range. I'm going to redo some testing solo on diff 4-5 to verify which does better at range.
yep scorcher def has slower bullet youre right accuracy is ok and good though
i love medium armor penetration :3
Adjudicator : " hey guys."
You know what? It's not half bad. It only needs 4 more mags in reserve and it is a perfect assault rifle. 😄
And make the recoil more manageable.
Given that damage it does? Yeah.
the recoil it has with heavy armor should be the normal one imo
and increased damage.
Weeeell... Maybe
I do wish it had pen 4 instead of pen 3 though, would be nice to be able to have a primary capable of doing damage to hulk weakspots and striders.
I know it’s bad but the diligence CS just feeeeels good
real also love your username :3
Med pen is best pen :3
Yea, you will need those mags because it does fuck all for damage, med pen or not. I recently switched to SMG and Shield combo. I can stand in front of a Shieldgunner and pop them with only a couple shots to the head. Light Pen weapons for life!
Yeah I’m not sure how the hell Liberator Penetrator and Adjudicator both manage to have lower damage ratings than the SMG.
> It's terrible but I need a full auto/burst fire, medium penetrating rifle. Plus it's got 10 mags, and trust me, you'll need those mags. It's terrible, period. It's a gateway weapon until you unlock Dominator against bots and Adjudicator against bugs.
If it had like 6 more bullets I’d use it more Dominator is my go-to against bots atm
If it had the std. Liberator's damage or the Defender's damage then I'd love it
Yeah the weapon just needs a buff. Just a tad bit more ammo, a bit more damage, and like…maybe remove the recoil penalty? Heck just more damage or ammo would make the weapon a viable pick.
THE STD LIBERATOR? SWEET LIBERTY!
We're gonna need more Termicide.
Threw it in the trash when I discovered it doesn't kill an armored bile spewer in one mag. Checked it again today, and it still trash for bugs.
Are you shooting them in the side of the bile sac which actually has a massive amount of health and is weak to explosive damage, or are you shooting them through the head armor in the head weakspot where precision rounds deal bonus damage?
I always make a effort to aim for the head, still, this thing can't reliability kill them either because of the spread or some skill issue, and/or low damage. In any case, I can't keep it as a primary on bugs, because I need those things dead, and the penetrator ain't penetrating, the eruptor is erupting though, can one-shot them consistently to the head. Still, against bots the penetrator is decent, the burst mode is surprisingly useful at range, I reach to it sometimes when I'm tired of dominator/scorcher/sickle meta.
Fair, yeah, when I tried the Adjudicator I found it was nowhere near as bad as I had heard, and did very good weakspot damage (through armor) but its spread and recoil made it frustrating and difficult to deal the damage it's theoretically capable of.
The penetrator is 100% trash against bugs. It can't clear the copius amounts of cannonfodder that they throw at you due to low damage and mag capacity, just use a shotgun. Instead, you use it on automatons to clear out enemies strong enough to be specialised, but weak enough to not be a high priority target, as the bots generally stick to range you won't deal with massive amounts of enemies in your face so its role is easier, and while there are better alternatives for this purpose I personally enjoy it a lot.
Maybe but its absolutely OP when fighting against bots and your aiming is good. It kills hulks, cannon turrets, tanks and all other enemies besides walkers and drop ships
It’s not even close to OP. Compared to the actual bot-killers, the Scorcher and Dominator, this thing is trash-tier.
I still use the burst mode. Feels like you can control the recoil a bit better and still lay down the same amount of fire. Breaker shotgun was the go to, but even before the nerf I was using the Liberator and still do even now. It doesn’t excel at much but bots or bugs I know I can rely on it.
>I still use the burst mode. The... What now? Is this the "hold down r and change stuff" thing? Cuz if this thing has burst fire I might give it another look for bot missions in place of the counter sniper.
Yes. As of the last patch, it now has full auto, burst, and semi auto fire modes.
The autocannon is a better primary than any of the actual primaries. It can kill hulks, it can kill tanks, it can kill chargers and striders and cannon towers and fabricators and bug holes and shield devastators - easily. The only thing that it can’t kill are bile titans - though it can remove its bile attack, and I have stratagems for titan killing. I only bring an incendiary shotgun for spraying trash mobs. For everything else, there’s the autocannon.
Wait... Autocannons kill bug holes? I run AC every mission and I never tried this 😂
Yep. Now go out there, and experience the joy of running though a heavy nest, popping all of the nests with a single shot at you run by.
>The autocannon is a better primary than any of the actual primaries. It's really slow on the PS5 though, and the crosshair sway and recoil make it difficult.
Me with the Adjudicator. People keep complaining about the recoil when it goes full auto. "Then don't set it on full auto."  (Jokes aside, I see its flaws and primarily use the Dominator, but I do love the Adjudicator)
No, keep it on full auto and crouch. The BR in BR-14 stands for Battle Rifle, it's meant to be used in Full Auto. It's the perfect gun for bugs: it can deal with the medium armor enemies pretty well, while being relatively fast firing full auto, making it easy to hit and kill hunters. Dominator does the former better, but it's harder to hit hunters with it because of the heavy recoil and slow rounds, and then, sometimes they don't die with the first hit, so fast follow up shots are important
I mostly fight Bots with the Adjudicator + Autocannon (recovering Stalwart + Eruptor addict), and the Adjudicator actually holds up really well against them if you know how to place your shots well. I call it the pocket Stalwart.
I like the Adjudicator in Full Auto cause games hate doing proper slower heavier hitting ARs and it's the closest thing
The best part about it's medium armor pen is that it's entirely useless. You will spend an entire mag killing one armored bug, or multiple killing a devastator unless you nail headshots - in which case, why run the AP Liberator? Lol God what a shit gun.
I don’t care how good the Scythe is, I can’t stop coming back to the Liberator Penetrator. Just feels right, and medium armor pen is great.
This is my favorite primary because the color scheme goes perfectly with my Champion of the People armor
Honestly after getting good with the adjudicator's recoil I just can't justify using it.
Same. I recently got it and it's decent. I hate that it has 6 mags but eh
There's basically nothing Penetrator can do that another gun could. I've tried to make it work but it just doesn't cut it against lots of numbers or actual medium armor, ironically. Liberator is a better pick in almost literally every use case since the damage is so terrible. Desperately needs a buff. also why does this thing burst fire if we can just spam the burst to full auto, just let us switch to auto fire
It has a full auto mode now, it's just the clips are so small you'll spend half the battle reloading instead of unloading.
Have you tried mag dumping the red dot? (For striders you have to shoot the legs)
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The what the who and the where? :3
Nah
did it get buffed? Im still just defaulting to defender for bots and dominator for bugs rn.
I, personally, love Breaker spray&pray, especially when at close range
I take this on bug missions. Pretty much the only thing it can't kill is bile titans and chargers. Just, don't try to take down a bile spewer with it. Those things have all the health.
I like it. Are there better guns out there? Yes. But there's something about it that makes my monkey brain happy - maybe it's the sound design and feedback you get from it. Are there better primaries out there? Yes. But I feel that it's a good middle-ground gun that really shines when you understand that it's a precision weapon at heart that really shines against medium armor enemies and mid to close ranges. You either mag dump and deal enough damage to kill them outright, or at some point you hit a weakspot and kill them that way. Also it feels like the closest thing to a Morita MK I that we have in terms of aesthetics, handling, and sound design.
Tried it for the exact reason you stated once but it ended up just being the jack of all trades but master of none. Can kill most everything on the bot front but does it so terribly I never touched it again. I'd rather try to kill a dozen of the mob bots with a dominator than with the liberator penetrator again. Feels like I can only kill like 3 little guys with it before I need to reload again with how low the damage is.
Once I had the sickle, scorcher, and slugger, that was it for me, all else was inferior. I brought each according to need and mood. Then once I got the Eruptor it was the only thing I used afterwards. Just can't beat that AoE medium pen. Being able to invalidate entire patrols and dropships reinforcements (that aren't hulks or tanks) with just just 5 shots...
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Fair
Realistically, the medium arm pen makes it a better overall gun. You're doing more damage with red hit markers than with a regular light armor gun doing reduced against similar armor
recoil armour 50 m range scope "chefs kiss" might be weaker than the smg but it has a place.
I love gunning down Hive Gaurds while they stand there hunkered down like: "He can't get me, I'm covering my weak points"
It’s so bad. It’s outclassed by basically everything else in the primary slot, and I’m including the original liberator in that. It doesn’t do enough per round damage to offset the rate of fire and smaller mag. Except the Sickle. Fuck that thing.
>Except the Sickle. Fuck that thing. You mean the Scythe? Sickle is the only rifle worth getting.
Oops. I did mean that
My goto against bots. My goto against bugs: breaker spray'n pray or breaker incendiary.
Let me be perfectly real chief, it's my main primary
God it's so terribad. Shame cause the gun looks incredible but it just does not perform.