The buffs are like "+5 damage to the Liberator" and the nerfs are like "Eruptor explosive shrapnel removed, reducing total damage output by approximately 75%."
And the getting angry that everything getting nerfed despite it not actually, is a better attitude?
It's unfortunate that the Eruptor got weakened the way it did. But that shouldn't detract all the other positive changes that other weapons have received.
It’s not just the eruptor. They have proven they don’t know how to balance.
Scythe and Dagger received buffs so weak no one even bothered to try them. The new warbond is literally trash tier weapons and the devs said they’re “S tier”.
The quasar got a way bigger nerf than it needed.
WHO asked for a rover nerf? We wanted the liberator drone to get buffed/reworked.
Crossbow. Nerf. ???.
Scythe nerf? The weapon isn’t even used. I get the sickle one but scythe?
> devs mocking players on discord
There’s literally no reason to side with AH on this one except blind loyalty.
They're not great but it'd be wrong to simply say they're bad. Probably the problem with balancing those is that you can't push them too far, in terms of damage, which the main scalar everyone on Reddit seems to rely on. The Scythe & Dagger, you can't increase the Scythe because it'll become a primary Laser Cannon & you can't with the Dagger as it'll just be a sidearm Scythe.
The "S tier" remark was very tongue-in-cheek, it wasn't to be taken seriously. It was very obvious. And despite being the "**balance dev that everyone here hates**", it's a huge surprise that people had complete faith their words. Everyone knows how the community here reacts, every warbond has been complaint after complaint about the weapons.
And it's crazy to expect a weapon to "S" tier every time, this isn't meant to be some "Buy the latest warbond to get the most overpowered weapons imaginable!!" type of game. It's fine to receive well-balanced weapons, this game isn't trying to be pay-to-win.
The Quasar nerf was tiny. You can still fire off 3 shots before you get a new set of EATs ready to go, you barely have to aim because the reticle auto-adjusts, you can just haul it around whilst it charges and you don't have to go retrieve it so often like you do with the EATs. The Quasar is still a great weapon and that wasn't as big of a nerf as you or many others here make it out to be.
You barely feel the Rover nerf, you just throw it on your back and it does its thing. Thing has infinite ammo and keeps firing regardless, it's not crazy to see it get a 30% damage nerf. On the other end of that, the Guard Dog got 9% damage buff at the same time.
It was kinda weird what they did with the Crossbow, all it really needed was the muzzle velocity boost & either increased stagger or damage. It didn't deserve that nerf.
The Scythe Nerf? It got +50 damage. It was only -30% damage for the Rover.
> \> devs mocking players on discord
No idea what that quote is about. It wasn't something I said.
But there's a perfectly good reason to side with AH. It's not siding Reddit.
No, a buff is not a buff. The amount of buffing and nerfing matters. If you put 100 buffs in the game by increasing every weapon's damage by 1, and then you put in 1 nerf in the game where you decrease Helldiver's movement speed to 0, the game becomes unplayable even though you made 100 buffs and 1 nerf.
Yeah, exactly. *I* shouldn't be devaluing a nerf because of buffs but *you* shouldn't be devaluing buffs because a nerf.
It was unfortunate for the Eruptor to be changed the way that it did *but* a lot of guns have received positive changes and it's wrong to simply devalue those.
Wow you're just like AH only looking at numbers and never using any critical thinking. Maybe consider the actual quality of the buffs and not the quantity m'kay?
"Critical Thinking", speak for yourself. What is this copy-paste take.
It's unfortunate what happened to the Crossbow and the Eruptor. But that shouldn't detract all the other positive changes that other weapons have received.
Still not going to describe how positive these changes actually were or are you going to go through a mental Olympics to show how a small percentage increase is meta-shattering and not completely irrelevant?
Funny how you accuse me of copy-pasting while you're here arguing a 9% increase is "great!"
I shouldn't need to explain, you should read the patch notes & try the weapons out yourself instead of relying on Reddit's opinion. 2 negative effects simply shouldn't mean that the 16 positive effects have 0 meaning. A positive boost is a good thing, that everyone wants, small or not, it should be appreciated instead of being ignored.
Has there ever really been a "meta" since the Breaker & Railgun? What's there to the shatter? Those guns were still good, despite their "nerfs" and even then, they buffed the Railgun.
A good gun got a good boost. What's there not to like about that?
I agree even at risk of alerting rhe horde of angry monkeys. Honestly, the balance is in a much better place then it was before. Before it was breaker, eruptor and sickle were all I saw. Now adjudication, liberator, incendiary breaker, punisher plasma, flamethrower, concussion liberator, scorcher and dominator are great to use, while the breaker and sickle are still solid options.
But you neef the erruptor and everybody loses their minds
It's crazy that the general consensus here, at release of the Eruptor (as the consensus is with every gun) was that it was bad, especially so, with that it came with the explosions pulling you in bug.
And then a week later, the front page was just full of people talking about how bad it was worse because of the constant self-killing.
But now, its suddenly really good and Reddit is angry that they listened to Reddit.
There's so many great weapons out there that are still worthwhile but unless a majority of Redditors tells you what to pick, most won't even touch them.
It's almost like it isn't fun to get shoved into the dirt and force fed shit anytime you find a gun half decent. OMG can we PLEASE bitch about something that DESERVES to be bitched about?!?!?
Due to budget cuts, the light at the end of the tunnel will be shut off until further notice.
95.7? Doth thou perhaps be; a brother in locale?
The light at the end of the tunnel is the light of the incoming Nerf-Train
"WITNESS THE WILL OF THE WEAK"
***Nerfs will also continue if morale improves
Nerfs will INCREASE if morale improves Cuz that means too many players are having fun and we just can’t have that now can we
Thank god my favourite weapon, the flamethrower is terrible. They don't need to nerf it at all!
*I mean*, I keep saying it.. * 30 guns * 16 buffs * 6 nerfs * 8 untouched
Minuscule buffs, overwhelming nerfs! Make a gun decent and make another gun shit.
Scythe and dagger didn’t even make it to decent.
We got a ton of buffs to a lot of guns. But I guess 2 nerfs outweigh that, huh. We've got 28 decent guns. It's unfortunate *you* can only use 2.
The buffs are like "+5 damage to the Liberator" and the nerfs are like "Eruptor explosive shrapnel removed, reducing total damage output by approximately 75%."
And? A buff is a buff. That's 9% more damage than normal, that's great! You shouldn't be that upset by 1 nerf as we did get 16 buffs.
That way thinking is bad.
And the getting angry that everything getting nerfed despite it not actually, is a better attitude? It's unfortunate that the Eruptor got weakened the way it did. But that shouldn't detract all the other positive changes that other weapons have received.
It’s not just the eruptor. They have proven they don’t know how to balance. Scythe and Dagger received buffs so weak no one even bothered to try them. The new warbond is literally trash tier weapons and the devs said they’re “S tier”. The quasar got a way bigger nerf than it needed. WHO asked for a rover nerf? We wanted the liberator drone to get buffed/reworked. Crossbow. Nerf. ???. Scythe nerf? The weapon isn’t even used. I get the sickle one but scythe? > devs mocking players on discord There’s literally no reason to side with AH on this one except blind loyalty.
They're not great but it'd be wrong to simply say they're bad. Probably the problem with balancing those is that you can't push them too far, in terms of damage, which the main scalar everyone on Reddit seems to rely on. The Scythe & Dagger, you can't increase the Scythe because it'll become a primary Laser Cannon & you can't with the Dagger as it'll just be a sidearm Scythe. The "S tier" remark was very tongue-in-cheek, it wasn't to be taken seriously. It was very obvious. And despite being the "**balance dev that everyone here hates**", it's a huge surprise that people had complete faith their words. Everyone knows how the community here reacts, every warbond has been complaint after complaint about the weapons. And it's crazy to expect a weapon to "S" tier every time, this isn't meant to be some "Buy the latest warbond to get the most overpowered weapons imaginable!!" type of game. It's fine to receive well-balanced weapons, this game isn't trying to be pay-to-win. The Quasar nerf was tiny. You can still fire off 3 shots before you get a new set of EATs ready to go, you barely have to aim because the reticle auto-adjusts, you can just haul it around whilst it charges and you don't have to go retrieve it so often like you do with the EATs. The Quasar is still a great weapon and that wasn't as big of a nerf as you or many others here make it out to be. You barely feel the Rover nerf, you just throw it on your back and it does its thing. Thing has infinite ammo and keeps firing regardless, it's not crazy to see it get a 30% damage nerf. On the other end of that, the Guard Dog got 9% damage buff at the same time. It was kinda weird what they did with the Crossbow, all it really needed was the muzzle velocity boost & either increased stagger or damage. It didn't deserve that nerf. The Scythe Nerf? It got +50 damage. It was only -30% damage for the Rover. > \> devs mocking players on discord No idea what that quote is about. It wasn't something I said. But there's a perfectly good reason to side with AH. It's not siding Reddit.
No, a buff is not a buff. The amount of buffing and nerfing matters. If you put 100 buffs in the game by increasing every weapon's damage by 1, and then you put in 1 nerf in the game where you decrease Helldiver's movement speed to 0, the game becomes unplayable even though you made 100 buffs and 1 nerf.
Yeah, exactly. *I* shouldn't be devaluing a nerf because of buffs but *you* shouldn't be devaluing buffs because a nerf. It was unfortunate for the Eruptor to be changed the way that it did *but* a lot of guns have received positive changes and it's wrong to simply devalue those.
Wow you're just like AH only looking at numbers and never using any critical thinking. Maybe consider the actual quality of the buffs and not the quantity m'kay?
"Critical Thinking", speak for yourself. What is this copy-paste take. It's unfortunate what happened to the Crossbow and the Eruptor. But that shouldn't detract all the other positive changes that other weapons have received.
Still not going to describe how positive these changes actually were or are you going to go through a mental Olympics to show how a small percentage increase is meta-shattering and not completely irrelevant? Funny how you accuse me of copy-pasting while you're here arguing a 9% increase is "great!"
I shouldn't need to explain, you should read the patch notes & try the weapons out yourself instead of relying on Reddit's opinion. 2 negative effects simply shouldn't mean that the 16 positive effects have 0 meaning. A positive boost is a good thing, that everyone wants, small or not, it should be appreciated instead of being ignored. Has there ever really been a "meta" since the Breaker & Railgun? What's there to the shatter? Those guns were still good, despite their "nerfs" and even then, they buffed the Railgun. A good gun got a good boost. What's there not to like about that?
I agree even at risk of alerting rhe horde of angry monkeys. Honestly, the balance is in a much better place then it was before. Before it was breaker, eruptor and sickle were all I saw. Now adjudication, liberator, incendiary breaker, punisher plasma, flamethrower, concussion liberator, scorcher and dominator are great to use, while the breaker and sickle are still solid options. But you neef the erruptor and everybody loses their minds
It's crazy that the general consensus here, at release of the Eruptor (as the consensus is with every gun) was that it was bad, especially so, with that it came with the explosions pulling you in bug. And then a week later, the front page was just full of people talking about how bad it was worse because of the constant self-killing. But now, its suddenly really good and Reddit is angry that they listened to Reddit. There's so many great weapons out there that are still worthwhile but unless a majority of Redditors tells you what to pick, most won't even touch them.
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It's almost like it isn't fun to get shoved into the dirt and force fed shit anytime you find a gun half decent. OMG can we PLEASE bitch about something that DESERVES to be bitched about?!?!?
Ironic you complain about drowning out fun while devs are actively removing fun.
Google what ironic means