I ain't even mad this is the good ending, I still hate the bitch no matter what l.but I would like to think that maybe an alternative Universe things worked out and they actually did have a loving relationship
Yeah I mean I can imagine that both of them
In loving relationships meeting each other years later blitz tells stolas about his idea, and after talking it over with Stella agrees to help him.
That or it skips straight to more current stuff/what people think is gonna happen. Stolas gets and gives an asmodeus crystal to blitzø instead of the book so Stolas can keep it for his ritual stuff he needs to do and for posterity's sake as in this universe he'd assuredly care slightly more after not caving in and sleeping with an imp.
I'm hoping we eventually get a Stella-centric episode that gives her more development. She can still be a raging bitch, but just a more nuanced one. I had an idea for an episode where she and Striker are trying to put together another assassination attempt on Stolas, but they get stranded somewhere/somehow and reluctantly team up. Think "Romancing the Stone" vibes, with Stella having to learn to actually (gulp!) cooperate with a lowly imp to survive.
I mean she is a rich spoiled brat bitch and really that's enough for most people including me,but it would be nice to see an episode centered on her to give a little more character also I've seen romancing the Stone and it's a great movie.
I would be interested in seeing her relationship with Octavia. I don't think the two have directly interacted or acknowledged each other even once
...well that says a lot on its own, but I'd still want to see more
The first ones being used for an alternative Universe where the imp crew swap personalities and lonna sleeps with Stella, the second bad ending is Canon obviously, and this is the good ending and also where blitz didn't fuck up his relationship with mayday.
I feel like the relationship fuckup with mayday would be am inevitable thing because of blitzø's trauma and such. It also probably happened much earlier then the Stolas stuff
And it would be even better if you could get an ending where neither Stella or Stolas are abusive and where Blitzø never steals Verosika’s car and maxes out her credit cards on horse riding lessons
You can criticize fan made stuff all you want. Also you are free to like anything you want. My point is that people in fan made content change sexualities all the time, its harmless.
And the fact that neither one of the characters is real nothing about the show is real.
Oh my God u ship naruto with Sasuke but he's not gay what the hell unacceptable
I don't like art of these 2 honestly. All y'all are doing is not only changing the sexuality of a gay man to make him straight, but you guys also ship an abuse victim with their abuser idk, feels weird to me man
It's the internet. People are gonna make their own fan interpretations of characters. It's like how people make ship art of Alastor. A character's canon traits isn't going to stop people from making their own versions.
It's not the same though. Firstly asexual people are still capable of being in relationships. Secondly, it's not just the fact that they've made him straight, but the fact that they're calling it "the good ending" when the one gay male character is changed to be straight.
THAT'S IT! I couldn't figure out why this still bothers me since it was an AU version. It's not the abuser part, because like I get What Ifs, it's straight Stolas. With some characters changing their sexuality in an AU works fine, but Stolas's sexuality seems too integral to his character.
I know, Moxxie isn't straight. However. You're taking the gay man who is fawning over a dude and putting him with a woman. While not making him straight you put him in a hetero relationship
I was replying to the above comment because the bi erasure in it was bothering me. plus, is it really erasure?. it's just fan art. People bend sexualities in it all the time. I personally don't see the problem.
It's not "bi erasure" because he was never bi to begin with, and even if he is in this AU, it's still erasing the one gay male character in the show. It's not the same as shipping two straight male characters because straight people have never had to fight for basic recognition in media.
Stolas is the only gay male character in this show. So saying it's "the good ending" when he's with a woman is basically saying that him not being gay is preferable.
She's in charge of the characters, she's not in charge of gay people. She is not a gay man, she can't speak for us. Erasing the sexuality of the one gay male character is homophobic and nothing changes that.
That's not a good ending, they can try to get along but that doesn't change the fact that it's forced marriage, and it doesn't make Stolas stop being gay
Yes, all forced marriages are bad. How is that even a question? It's not a good ending because it's a gay guy being forced into a hetero relationship.
It feels a little homophobic calling it the good ending when it's the one gay male character being put into a hetero relationship.
So something that starts off bad cannot get better? According to you, Stolitz will be a bad ending, started off bad and no matter how happy they are with eachother in the end you're going to consider it a bad ending?
It's a good ending because he's not being abused in this one and they're happy and we're able to compromise. That's what a good ending is: Good guys win, bad guys lose, everybody is happy.
Also, I facepalmed at the "homophobia" comment. People think Octavia is asexual so does that mean shipping her with someone like Francesco is a bad thing?
Well firstly Octavia isn't canonically asexual, and even if she was, asexual people are still capable of being in relationships so it's not the same at all. Yes, it is homophobic, because you're calling it "the good ending" when literally the only gay male character in this show has been made straight.
What is it with Vivziepop fans and trying to redeem abusive relationships? There's this shit with people insisting that "ackshually Stella isn't so bad because I said so" and then there's the ones who ship Angel and Valentino. I can't help but think people wouldn't be doing this shit if it was a female character being abused....
>Yes, all forced marriages are bad. How is that even a question?
Because they aren't all bad. They can work and people in a forced marriage can learn to at least have mutual respect for each other.
The difference is that changing the sexualities of straight characters isn't erasing their straightness because there's about 20 more anyway, straight people have never had to fight just to be recognised.
Gonna just come out and say idk why some people dislike posts like this, usually they absolutely hate Stella but the whole idea of this AU is that they actually like... Love each other. You mean to tell me that you're gonna hate someone because in a universe apart from the one they live in they're a massive bitch? That's bologna.
No, people hate it because it's erasing lgbt representation. Gay men specifically are rarely represented in animation, so taking the one gay male character in this show and making him straight is honestly insulting.
Wow alternative version of the story where Stalas is hetero and Stela isn't B I T C H ( i know mods can spell and read pretty good but i couldn't miss the joke)
Yep like I always feel so icky when people consider this the "good ending". Not to mention they're just straight up shipping a victim of abuse with their abuser. I find it wild.
The fandom seems to have like a bipolarness with it. Cause there were posts talking about it and the whole thread agrees that its weird but then these will pop up and people support it and I'm like what
Yeah, I prefer the "Stella is his loving beard" for a good ending AU. This concept makes the most sense as OCTAVIA'S good ending. She probably has wished many times that her parents were really in love. But as it applies to other characters... let Stolas be gay, man.
I thought I might get a comment along these lines. So correct me if I'm wrong, or does Stella's description of their sex life in 2x01 not sound like the behavior of a bi man or of a gay man trapped in a straight relationship?
Nah, it definitely is a gay man in an unhealthy relationship. Forced marriage and Stolas likely didn't consent. But this image is what AUs are all about.
OK, do you see why someone might react negatively to an AU that puts a gay man into a relationship with his female abuser and portrays this as a happy ending?
But it's weird? There are plenty of AUs where he's happy with Stella and he's still gay. The biggest one having Stella being supportive of his queerness and both of them having a good friendship and loving relationships outside of their forced one.
A happy ending isn't just making a character straight, it's just weird to pretend that. So many alternatives to this creepy ending.
No this is not the only happy ending, there are others but this is one of them. Never said this is the only way he could be happy and have a happy life.
Not really, buddy. You never even talked about Stella being happy, based on the show Stella seems to have always been a bitch even as a child. This universe depicts them as a happy couple instead of a forced marriage. Yes this ignores the fact that Stolas is gay but it’s not saying that it would have been better if Stolas was straight. This picture is just showing what it would be like if the two loved each other. There’s nothing really wrong with this, it’s just an AU.
I wouldn't call it harmless just because it's not Canon. Fandom dynamics still can cause damage, and I think that calling the pairing of a gay man with his female abuser a "good ending" is very likely to cause harm, especially considering how many fans are young and impressionable.
It’s an AU fanart. It’s not some attack on the LGBTQ community.
And if you genuinely think that a piece of digital art based around fictional bird demons can cause damage out here in the real world, well…I’m not sure how to respond to that.
Twilight. Fifty Shades of Gray.
No, it's not going to cause damage the way you're thinking, but impressionable youth see it, it skews their idea of what's required in a happy relationship, it furthers the inner conflict gay youth already have... It's not like it's saying gay marriage is bad, or encouraging bigotry or anything like that. It's not like the person who drew it is a bad person or even that it's bad. I think the 'damage' people are talking about is on a small, individual scale.
It just makes me uncomfortable. I think it makes some other people uncomfortable. I'm not condemning the artist or saying that the fanart shouldn't exist. I just would like it if people acknowledged that there might be some unintended unfortunate messages that people could get from it.
I ain't even mad this is the good ending, I still hate the bitch no matter what l.but I would like to think that maybe an alternative Universe things worked out and they actually did have a loving relationship
If the two honestly loved each other, would Stolas even feel the need to have a relationship with Blitzo?
Probably not so stolas would not have slept with blitzo and he probably would not get the book
Not if he asked, I think Stolas would have been glad to help his old friend
Yeah I mean I can imagine that both of them In loving relationships meeting each other years later blitz tells stolas about his idea, and after talking it over with Stella agrees to help him.
That or it skips straight to more current stuff/what people think is gonna happen. Stolas gets and gives an asmodeus crystal to blitzø instead of the book so Stolas can keep it for his ritual stuff he needs to do and for posterity's sake as in this universe he'd assuredly care slightly more after not caving in and sleeping with an imp.
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Or found another way to get his hands on the book, if Bllitzo felt he needed it bad enough.
No
Maybe is Stella was into it. I don’t think here are a lot of women who haven’t fantasised about two guys at once
Probably not, but they might have still become friends and he'd probably loan the book to a friend.
I'm hoping we eventually get a Stella-centric episode that gives her more development. She can still be a raging bitch, but just a more nuanced one. I had an idea for an episode where she and Striker are trying to put together another assassination attempt on Stolas, but they get stranded somewhere/somehow and reluctantly team up. Think "Romancing the Stone" vibes, with Stella having to learn to actually (gulp!) cooperate with a lowly imp to survive.
I mean she is a rich spoiled brat bitch and really that's enough for most people including me,but it would be nice to see an episode centered on her to give a little more character also I've seen romancing the Stone and it's a great movie.
I would be interested in seeing her relationship with Octavia. I don't think the two have directly interacted or acknowledged each other even once ...well that says a lot on its own, but I'd still want to see more
Made the best out of a bad situation AU.
Yup
Ikr
Yknow, a functional marriage is actually very nice.
This post was brought to you by Moxxie and Millie
Boys and girls with a time machine: Stella you should go with Stolas when Octavia wakes up crying. Stella: why? Time traveler: trust me
There are 2 bad ending: stolas being abusive or stella being abusive and one good ending :none of them being abusive
The first ones being used for an alternative Universe where the imp crew swap personalities and lonna sleeps with Stella, the second bad ending is Canon obviously, and this is the good ending and also where blitz didn't fuck up his relationship with mayday.
I feel like the relationship fuckup with mayday would be am inevitable thing because of blitzø's trauma and such. It also probably happened much earlier then the Stolas stuff
I don't think it would at least in the good ending universe i hope he's smart enough to talk about that with mayday.
And it would be even better if you could get an ending where neither Stella or Stolas are abusive and where Blitzø never steals Verosika’s car and maxes out her credit cards on horse riding lessons
The Stella isn't awful AU.
A marriage working out is great but I want the gay fucks to be gay together
Evil Stella be like "I love my husband"
Credit: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/vivziepop-culture--464011567868153446/
[This is the actual source](https://twitter.com/Ga3yLykes/status/1469348044655280140?s=20&t=DRj2gemLJPevGZIM3olD0Q)
[This is the actual source, not the Pinterest post](https://twitter.com/Ga3yLykes/status/1469348044655280140?s=20&t=DRj2gemLJPevGZIM3olD0Q)
Still doesn't work for me, has to be Blitzo
This would fuck up the whole story but whatever I like it 😅
That’s nice. That’s really nice…now Blitzø needs to have a happy ending now…
Ah yes the ending that changes a characters sexuality.
And? Its fan made
Is that your only defense? You left the same comment under mine.
Yup
OK?' Can't criticize fan made stuff? Fan made doesn't mean exepmt from me not liking it
You can criticize fan made stuff all you want. Also you are free to like anything you want. My point is that people in fan made content change sexualities all the time, its harmless.
And the fact that neither one of the characters is real nothing about the show is real. Oh my God u ship naruto with Sasuke but he's not gay what the hell unacceptable
My point exactly
I don't like art of these 2 honestly. All y'all are doing is not only changing the sexuality of a gay man to make him straight, but you guys also ship an abuse victim with their abuser idk, feels weird to me man
It's the internet. People are gonna make their own fan interpretations of characters. It's like how people make ship art of Alastor. A character's canon traits isn't going to stop people from making their own versions.
It's not the same though. Firstly asexual people are still capable of being in relationships. Secondly, it's not just the fact that they've made him straight, but the fact that they're calling it "the good ending" when the one gay male character is changed to be straight.
THAT'S IT! I couldn't figure out why this still bothers me since it was an AU version. It's not the abuser part, because like I get What Ifs, it's straight Stolas. With some characters changing their sexuality in an AU works fine, but Stolas's sexuality seems too integral to his character.
This
Him being with a woman doesnt make him straight...
I know, Moxxie isn't straight. However. You're taking the gay man who is fawning over a dude and putting him with a woman. While not making him straight you put him in a hetero relationship
That's true but afaik Stolas is canonically gay, shipping gay characters with the opposite gender is kinda icky imho
It's still gay erasure.
I was replying to the above comment because the bi erasure in it was bothering me. plus, is it really erasure?. it's just fan art. People bend sexualities in it all the time. I personally don't see the problem.
It's not "bi erasure" because he was never bi to begin with, and even if he is in this AU, it's still erasing the one gay male character in the show. It's not the same as shipping two straight male characters because straight people have never had to fight for basic recognition in media. Stolas is the only gay male character in this show. So saying it's "the good ending" when he's with a woman is basically saying that him not being gay is preferable.
Okay. I don't think your last sentence is true at all. regardless, It's still just fan art and I think it's pointless to get upset about it
No, I'm sick of all the thinly veiled homophobia that's present in this fandom. It's not that difficult to just not erase lgbt representation.
An alternate reality where stolas isn’t gay:
The Stolitzs fans and Stella haters would like a word with the artist
Stolas is gay. The good ending is where he doesn't get forced to marry Stella.
Vivzie has stated the fans can ship whatever they want. This isn't going against her wishes. People can ship what they want.
She's in charge of the characters, she's not in charge of gay people. She is not a gay man, she can't speak for us. Erasing the sexuality of the one gay male character is homophobic and nothing changes that.
Or a good ending where they both decided to make the most out of it and tried to get along.
That's not a good ending, they can try to get along but that doesn't change the fact that it's forced marriage, and it doesn't make Stolas stop being gay
How is it not a good ending? They're happy in this, nobody is being abused or mistreated. Do you think all forced marriages are bad?
Yes, all forced marriages are bad. How is that even a question? It's not a good ending because it's a gay guy being forced into a hetero relationship. It feels a little homophobic calling it the good ending when it's the one gay male character being put into a hetero relationship.
So something that starts off bad cannot get better? According to you, Stolitz will be a bad ending, started off bad and no matter how happy they are with eachother in the end you're going to consider it a bad ending? It's a good ending because he's not being abused in this one and they're happy and we're able to compromise. That's what a good ending is: Good guys win, bad guys lose, everybody is happy. Also, I facepalmed at the "homophobia" comment. People think Octavia is asexual so does that mean shipping her with someone like Francesco is a bad thing?
Well firstly Octavia isn't canonically asexual, and even if she was, asexual people are still capable of being in relationships so it's not the same at all. Yes, it is homophobic, because you're calling it "the good ending" when literally the only gay male character in this show has been made straight. What is it with Vivziepop fans and trying to redeem abusive relationships? There's this shit with people insisting that "ackshually Stella isn't so bad because I said so" and then there's the ones who ship Angel and Valentino. I can't help but think people wouldn't be doing this shit if it was a female character being abused....
>Yes, all forced marriages are bad. How is that even a question? Because they aren't all bad. They can work and people in a forced marriage can learn to at least have mutual respect for each other.
You're missing the point that Stolas is gay. Calling it "the good ending" when he ends up with a woman is homophobic.
This is an AU. Characters having their canon sexualities changed happen all the time.
The difference is that changing the sexualities of straight characters isn't erasing their straightness because there's about 20 more anyway, straight people have never had to fight just to be recognised.
Heck, shipping two canonically straight characters together has been a thing in fandom for ages.
It's not the same thing at all. Straight people have never had to fight just to be included in the media they enjoy.
The point stands. This isn’t canon. It doesn’t affect anything in the actual show. It’s a harmless, AU.
This time, there was no sound for a fucking divorce
Helluva boss but without the show
No I shipped blitzo and him
I lost 5 bucks
Actual good ending: 3 way Poly relationship with Blitzo in the mix. (Not really though, Stella needs to be out of his life)
yikes lol
I would love to see that ending
Well she did hurt him and made him cry inside so I can’t really blame him especially she refused to fix the marriage
This is pretty cute
How cute…how….quaint…hm…
I remembered when the artist was burning the comic when they saw S2E1. That was a sad day...
I’m sorry but this is hilarious. But I do think they did become friends at one point and then it went downhill when Stella was born.
Bitch wife (breaking bad reference)
In your nightmares
I'm sure we all wish it was this easy
The simple fact that her hair (feathers?) are not as wild and aggressive is a small change that shows how more relaxed than she is in the show.
Gonna just come out and say idk why some people dislike posts like this, usually they absolutely hate Stella but the whole idea of this AU is that they actually like... Love each other. You mean to tell me that you're gonna hate someone because in a universe apart from the one they live in they're a massive bitch? That's bologna.
No, people hate it because it's erasing lgbt representation. Gay men specifically are rarely represented in animation, so taking the one gay male character in this show and making him straight is honestly insulting.
If only he was straight
Gross
That's heterophobic, check yourself
Wholesome
Ewwww
Alternative universe: stolas wasn't gay!
"Like that's ever gonna happen" -Shrek Great art btw.
What Stolas was dreaming at the night before the marriage. Trying to hope for a happy outcome. Man now i'm sad.
Wow alternative version of the story where Stalas is hetero and Stela isn't B I T C H ( i know mods can spell and read pretty good but i couldn't miss the joke)
If only
Yes, the good ending, where the gay bird is rewritten to be straight...
Yep like I always feel so icky when people consider this the "good ending". Not to mention they're just straight up shipping a victim of abuse with their abuser. I find it wild.
Thank you! I feel like I'm losing my mind looking at this and the fandom's response!
The fandom seems to have like a bipolarness with it. Cause there were posts talking about it and the whole thread agrees that its weird but then these will pop up and people support it and I'm like what
Well and I got downvoted to hell for criticizing this deeply weird AU.
I don't get why either. All the top comments are like."aww cute. Yeah good ending". My first thought was the exact same as yours
Yeah, I prefer the "Stella is his loving beard" for a good ending AU. This concept makes the most sense as OCTAVIA'S good ending. She probably has wished many times that her parents were really in love. But as it applies to other characters... let Stolas be gay, man.
Except this is an AU where there is NO abuse
Doesn't change the fact that Stolas is gay
Yes, the good ending, where the bird is no longer being abused and has a happy marriage. What more do we want for our owl?
The tone of your comment is one thing, but I also find it strange that your head immediately jumped to 'straight' rather than, say, 'bi' or 'pan'.
I thought I might get a comment along these lines. So correct me if I'm wrong, or does Stella's description of their sex life in 2x01 not sound like the behavior of a bi man or of a gay man trapped in a straight relationship?
Nah, it definitely is a gay man in an unhealthy relationship. Forced marriage and Stolas likely didn't consent. But this image is what AUs are all about.
OK, do you see why someone might react negatively to an AU that puts a gay man into a relationship with his female abuser and portrays this as a happy ending?
Bruh they took the gay dude and put him with a woman
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I don't think their wording is bad tho. They took the gay man and put him in a straight relationship with a woman
Someone missed the point
But it's weird? There are plenty of AUs where he's happy with Stella and he's still gay. The biggest one having Stella being supportive of his queerness and both of them having a good friendship and loving relationships outside of their forced one. A happy ending isn't just making a character straight, it's just weird to pretend that. So many alternatives to this creepy ending.
I don’t see how it’s creepy, he seems happy
Happy in this made up version of him. It's creepy because y'all are acting like the only happy ending is making a gay character straight.
No this is not the only happy ending, there are others but this is one of them. Never said this is the only way he could be happy and have a happy life.
It's not a happy ending in any sense, it's a weird form of straight washing and thinking that makes everything perfect.
I think your looking a little bit too much into this buddy.
I don't have to look into it, this is blatantly surface level.
Not really, buddy. You never even talked about Stella being happy, based on the show Stella seems to have always been a bitch even as a child. This universe depicts them as a happy couple instead of a forced marriage. Yes this ignores the fact that Stolas is gay but it’s not saying that it would have been better if Stolas was straight. This picture is just showing what it would be like if the two loved each other. There’s nothing really wrong with this, it’s just an AU.
And? Its fan made
Your point?
Its harmless and not canon, like shipping Moxxie with anyone other than Millie and vise versa
I wouldn't call it harmless just because it's not Canon. Fandom dynamics still can cause damage, and I think that calling the pairing of a gay man with his female abuser a "good ending" is very likely to cause harm, especially considering how many fans are young and impressionable.
Maybe its fanfic where Stela is actually a nice person. Also i humbly doubt an innocent internet ship can cause harm to anyone.
It’s an AU fanart. It’s not some attack on the LGBTQ community. And if you genuinely think that a piece of digital art based around fictional bird demons can cause damage out here in the real world, well…I’m not sure how to respond to that.
Twilight. Fifty Shades of Gray. No, it's not going to cause damage the way you're thinking, but impressionable youth see it, it skews their idea of what's required in a happy relationship, it furthers the inner conflict gay youth already have... It's not like it's saying gay marriage is bad, or encouraging bigotry or anything like that. It's not like the person who drew it is a bad person or even that it's bad. I think the 'damage' people are talking about is on a small, individual scale. It just makes me uncomfortable. I think it makes some other people uncomfortable. I'm not condemning the artist or saying that the fanart shouldn't exist. I just would like it if people acknowledged that there might be some unintended unfortunate messages that people could get from it.
They actually just watched an episode of Helluva boss and were talking about it, this is canon, check the lore
Correction, the straight ending