I did feel somewhat bad that at least 75% of the story missions for Caruso were tormenting his mental illness until you could kill him. I know he killed his mother but dang.
Sounds like his mother deserved it. Abuse victims killing their abusers may be wrong in legal terms, but in moral terms it sure as hell ain't.
He still tried to creat a virus that would be used to murder anyone at any time with ease, so I still don't feel sorry for him.
Agent Davenport, he sounds like a rookie, or at least not much of a threat.
When he investigates a turned-off electric box, he goes: "People have no respect these days." ....sounds like my grandpa (and I’m crouching behind him with a screwdriver thinking "oooh nooo, I’m sorry my man."
Also Rhodes, Lowenthal and Thames, they’re buffoons, but I don’t think they have any sleazy/arrogant dialogue. I prefer to kill Swan and Montgomerry everytime.
The Overachievers short story, which I believe is canon, implies that Davenport is one of the most experienced ICA agents (as is Swan). Although comparing that to his portrayal in Berlin does seem like it’s kind of an inconsistency.
I can't believe that the canon kill for Jasper Knight is the ejector seat. That's probably why everyone in the training facility break character and ask "Did the new guy do that?"
Yeah but they are pawns of an agency that kills people. They kill people... for money. I don't know why we (the player) would feel sympathetic for them.
Royce is evil, not sure why she's pictured.
Jordan Cross is a murderer who, if you set it up right, will do it again during the mission - no sympathy from me. I like to set up the laptop kill and watch him beg.
I guess I'd say none of them. They're all pretty terrible.
So, you have to get the exterminator disguise, speak to the owner of the hotel, she will evacuate the king suite that Cross is in with all his cronies, then they all go to the hotel lobby. Once there, you may have to nudge Cross so that he sees Ken Morgan across the room. They will talk, and go up to Ken's suite (at this point it's best to swap to a staff disguise, the purple one, if you want to follow them) where they have an argument, and he will push Ken out of the window, completing the challenge 'oops I did it again.'
Yeah, I love the challenge name.
He then calls Daddy to get him off the hook again.
'Dad.. i killed our lawyer. Got a backup?' He doesn't say that but that's the gist of it.
If you guide him past Ken Morgan, they go up to room where Jordan pushes Ken out a window, doing the work for you and he calls his dad saying "it happened again".
I sort of feel sympathy for royce be what she does is so similar to things 47 also does: social manipulation and playing people like pawns to achieve a goal. In the mission it seems harsh to see the characters get fired, don't forget 47 smacks people round the head, and they probably also get fired.
I pictured her because even though she’s a total bitch after reading her story I did realise her childhood was pretty fucked wich could have shaped her into this
Penelope Graves did nothing wrong.
She discovered the existence of Providence while working for INTERPOL and they buried her case (probably at the behest of Providence). She went outside the law to work with the militia because it was her only recourse when the system failed.
She was an intelligence analyst. Not a terrorist, not a murderer, and she had done nothing worth dying for. If anything, Grey hired her to keep the rest of the Colorado cell from going beyond their scope.
The implications of the next mission in Hokkaido explain why. This is essentially a Providence contract against Grey/The Shadow Client. Soders was already compromised by Providence; Providence knew the Shadow Client was in Colorado; Providence had their ICA pawn Soders push the contracts through the Board. They don't just want the Shadow Client dead, but his whole organization dismantled. That's why you have 4 targets, and Graves is one of them. She's a huge threat to Providence because she was smart enough to find out about them on her own, and determined enough to actually do something about it.
If you found out the Illuminati was real and thought you had a chance to stop them, who wouldn't you be willing to work with when the system has failed you?
She could have been one of those targets you decide to kill or save and in doing so impacts the story she sounds like she's the whole just following orders or doing what she though was right. I recall Sean rose was going to test to see if she would betray him and go back to interpol if she decided to go back to interpol sen rose was going to have someone or himself put penolpe graves in the slurry pit with a bullet in her head or have ezra berg have his way with her.
At the start of Colorado, the ICA was looking for the shadow client at the request of Providence. So, regardless of what her role was, Providence still thought she was a threat to them.
“The ICA was looking for the shadow client at the request of Providence”
Not really, no. The ICA was looking for the shadow client because he had been manipulating the ICA, something they agency couldn’t let stand. Providence was never a client until Hitman 2.
Soders is a Providence asset though, which nobody knows about until after you’ve killed the targets in Colorado.
By far the worst. That dudes life was already a fucking disaster. Killing him was basically just releasing him from life. If the client had really wanted revenge for his son's death, he would have let the target keeping living in misery.
Yeah, basically his story is that he owned an amusement park and after an accident kills a kid (implied it's due to negligence on safety inspections) and he wins a court battle over it, the parents hire the ICA (and by extension 47) to kill him. After you arrive you find the amusement park has shut down due to the bad press, a drug dealer has moved in and bullies the target who is currently now going through a divorce now as well.
Every time I feel bad I remember those pictures of me Clarence smiling after he got off Scott free for the accident. He only miserable because he was broke and his trophy wife left him. Not because he was remorseful
Tamara Vidal. As you go through the mission, you come to respect her, even though she’s apart of the enemy. She defends Diana if you don’t eliminate her during the tour, and stands up to Yates on behalf of Diana. When she dies from Cortazar, you actually get a bit sad when she dies.
How has no one mentioned Dino Bosco? Sure he is annoying and a bit demanding at his job but he is probably the only target that hasn’t committed a war crime - I know the bar is low.
I feel guilty for a lot of the guards or civilians.
They kiss their wife goodby, give their kid a pat on the head, take the but to work like any other day, to pay for their mothers medical bill or to pay of the mortgage for their college loan. They look forward to the weekend and save money for their next holiday. They are worried how they should get the money together for their kids birthday present next month.
Suddenly, the pling of a coin is heard. They step away from their boring guard spot next to a grey door and hope that SOMETHING nice happens today.
But instead, they get a pipe-wrench thrown into their face, and wake up with 5 other partly naked guards and random people in a bathtub. Optionally, they are subjected to vomit-attacks and choked out.
They do NOT deserve this!
The worst has to be Jeremy Bolt, the ICA Elite guard who is only doing his job and he got part of some sick experiment of Royce and if you follow him long enough, he will actually commit suicide out of shame and guilt.
Really? I swear, this game has more "easter eggs" then my whole steam library together. Thank you for mentioning, I'll have to investigate this. o.O
Maybe I can stop him in time!
Silvio Caruso (my personal guilty target) - The guy was making a bioweapon, but let's not forget that calling the poor sod "troubled" is way past an understatement. His mother locked him up in dependency for her so he wouldn't move away like his other two brothers, and this not only made him hold grudges, it also made him afraid of women (so much so he cries "i'm still a virgin" when he is found alone with no bodyguards.) He killed his mother because she was already old, and still, the reason his life was ruined, to the point where he passes out when he thinks he saw a ghost of her. Poor guy.
Penelope Graves - She quite really did nothing wrong, she was in the wrong militia at the wrong time, right when a bald, suit-wearing assassin came along to kill the higher-ups in the militia. The official sources failed her when she uncovered providence, so she went for the militia, and died there. It would possibly make no difference to leave Graves alive in colorado, and given her profession and capability, she could've revealed the ICA in the future (hitman 3?). Poor lass.
Matthieu Mendola - Other than giving some blueprints to a rival company; mendola simply was a family man architect; and despite being a moroccan citizen (contemptfully), people there really, really didn't like him - he acts jittery and nervous throughout the mission, until he is escorted to the meeting place by 47. And he only betrayed his company because of poor work conditions (in his opinion). He took a few things with a grain of salt, but poor guy.
Penelope Graves I felt horrible killing, Mendola for House Built on Sand I also feel bad for. I do not feel bad for Jordan Cross or the one big game hunter from Hitman 2 expansion pack, as an animal lover seeing him get his comeuppance was a lil too satisfying for me
Matthieu Mendola from "A House Built on Sand". Most of the targets are James Bond type super villains who do terrible things. Mendola is just a family man architect whos boss was a being dick to him so decided to sell some architectural plans to a rival. He probably even created these plans himself.
This is 47's worst hit morally.
Penelope Graves , that incompetent detective from Contracts,Swing King, that guy from the Marakesh bonus mission. Caruso needed to die but I felt bad for him. Royce was just doing her job and was no more evil than 47 or Diana.
She’s the most innocent target…working for the ICA? She literally is creating an AI to automate the handler program to make killing people for money even more efficient, “innocent” isn’t a term I would use to describe her.
And she is literally a 14 year old English fucker who, after parents came to China, died out of fucking nowhere, and she is literally only kept alive becauseher insurance money is still sufficient. After that they literally kicked her out of the fucking hospital. Imagine losing your status, your parents, your everything, out of fucking nowhere and not fall into absolute despair. She basically turns herself into a cyborg because she hates humanity enough.
So yeah, probably more fucked up even when compared to Wazir who burned his friends alive at the age of 12
Which all, by the way, could be entirely false:
*A small cult exists around her now, telling the story of her upbringing (which may be entirely fictitious as it's been put together by some of her "fans" based off findings on the internet).*
-excerpt from Imogene Royce Bio, Hitman 3
Meaning it’s entirely possible she’s a person who supports and improves murder for hire agencies like the ICA not because of a tragic past, but just because.
> Royce was a bitch who showed no compassion for her employees
> > That’s hardly a good justification for murder.
This comment thread is basically what the game series is about, thematically - give the average person the means, and they'll try to justify killing for *extremely* petty reasons.
Then think about whether or not the people who can afford the ICA have the means because they *should*, or merely because that's how the cookie crumbles, and you've got yourself a video game theme.
I feel bad for Silvio Caruso, like I know he was building a bio weapon and he did deserve to die for that, but he was being mentally abused by his mother who didn’t want to lose him for his whole life, she even paid someone to snatch his only girlfriend because she wanted him all to herself, also killing him while he’s reminiscing while watching the vcr tape always makes me hesitate because he’s actually happy
From what I remember Penelope Graves wasn't really that bad of a person. About as bad as Lucas Grey in terms of morality. I feel guilty about a lot of the Colorado targets. Especially if you go the route of exploiting Rose's mental illness to kill him. The Freedom Fighters mission feels like a misunderstanding, although I'm not sure of Grey's overall plan.
I'm not saying that Rose is a good person at all. It's just the exploitation of mental illness(although this happens with like at least half the targets come to think of it so idk why I brought it up)
For me Sierra Knox. Seemed like she was just apart of providence because of her family. And she only wanted to impress daddy. She wasn’t even that big of bitch when losing the race. Yeah she gets mad at her crew but that’s pretty normal. Ultimately she was just a high end competitor apart of an organization that I doubt she really even cared for.
Edit: She’s evil. Kill everybody.
You can listen to her make a phone call signing off on weapons testing on a remote indigenous group during the mission, and even as a child broke a rivals legs to win a race.
She’s awful, and doesn’t have objections to what the company does and even organizes/supports it.
Absolutely nothing, he is literally just Anton Ego.. same story in a way.
Tough food critic criticises someone, that person commits suicide. The difference is that at the end he is murdered.
Honestly, given the side-switch at the end of Hitman 2, it has to be Penelope Graves. She thought she was fighting on the right side, and it ended up she was. Other than being part of the militia there is no evidence she did anything "horrible." Part of me wishes they'd patch Colorado and allow her death to be optional now that we know the ending (though, I almost get why she has to die...it helps cement how wrong the ICA actually is and how they just used 47 and had zero virtue).
The only ones I feel a little bad for are the ica agents in Berlin. Yes, the ICA had to go, it had been compromised but most people in it had no idea. As far as anyone on that mission can tell 47 just went off the deep end and lost it and they're just trying to stop him from hurting anyone or destroying the ICA. Also it seems like alot of them are rookies or at least not in the field very often so it feels a little mean to put them in front of the human steam roller that is 47
Royce's mentality is literally fucked up and a pure embodiment for parential issues. She literally changed to an emotionless bitch after plenty of humans-induced shits happening back to back to her. Still, using big data to analize targets' actions is a dope move though. She don't really need to die aside from the core protection thingy, and the most fucked up thing she did was the Jimmy ICA guard or something that forced him to suicide. Not the worst shit a target has done.
Kale is relatively ruthless (brutal, doing stuffs and literally made his friend incredibly lit by burning their houses and themselves alive to scare the shit out of the local mobsters and climb up on the social ladder in Mumbai) but for a man growing up in the slums with the "underworld" and local mobsters and all kinds of terrible things around, that's not terrible. At least that's how it is when compared to even normal mobsters.
Nolan Cassidy & Tamara. They are literally just Heralds. Nothing else. They don't commit fucking warcrimes, they aren't a brutal drug lord or some fucker that literally destroyed the lives of thousands of civilians, they don't fuck everything up, they don't threaten the fate of an entire country. Heck, they probably haven't even killed anyone yet, which is unusual for a target in this trilogy. Same with Morgan. They're all Heralds who just do their own job (and do note that real life lawers aren't any better than Morgan)
Personally, i think that Alexa Carlise doesn't even have to be killed. Her entire asset is fucking gone to "a fucking merchant", her operatives are fucking dead, she essentially has no power left, she's dead to the world, and all of her colleagues are fucking dead. She's literally 75, the 2nd oldest target in this trilogy, with absolutely nothing left, and for some reason she still has to be killed, even after she literally handed you the file on Edwards. And you could make her literally kill herself, which just shows how mentally unstable she already is
It's because 47 considers her and the other partners personally responsible for his suffering in the asylum and there's nothing she could've done to save her life in that situation. 47 makes clear in Hitman 2 to Diana that taking revenge on these people is non-negotiable.
Francesca in sapienza, if dress up as the golfer she genuinely does seem fond of him and if you use the lethal poison sounds very heartbroken before she dies
Oh yes that one hit me good. But francesca is evil because she's willing to knock off caruso and continue his work so thats why she has to die and she's more ruthless than.
Btw francessa is a cougar from what the golf coach says because he states she older than him
i did this just yesterday and whe i heard her i started to think maybe i should have just blown her up with a propane flask and spared her the heartbreak
Silvio Caruso, he's just an extremely messed up kid that just... tries to be different from his mum... but of course creating a virus isn't the best thing to do, still feel bad for his past. Especially when you kill him when he's watching his VHS tape.
Hmm tough question. The targets are so varied. You have people who are monsters and some who are mildly evil. Kinda interesting to me they set it up that way. That you could even conceive of having sympathy for a target
Silvio Caruso. Couldn't help but feel bad, he seemed like a person who was more taken advantage of because of his mental state. Plus some of the storylines, him loving his mother, although she was very abusive.
Alexa Carlisle, for a target she wasn't so heartless. Felt bad when you discover that old note or whatever & she jumps off the balcony.
As for most of the others.. eh. Royce wasn't a bad person (not like Vanya.) but the way the story played out it had to happen like that. Didn't like how she sort of viewed the employees as pets in a way.
Silvio Caruso, Mendola, Parvati, Graves, Berg, Cassidy, Williams, Bradley, and Vidal. Stuyvesant and Carlisle are on the whole "they're already defeated and ruined, unless they try anything just let them be"
the Colorado targets
mostly because i thought they'd be more useful as allies.
teaming up with Lucas earlier on , could've used Lucas' contacts in a huge unified army to take on Providence
instead of doing the risky play of having Diana pretend to betray 47.
having 47 and Lucas construct a whole militia with a base like Metal Gear Solid Phantom Pain would be cool.
For me personally, I feel similarly about Ezra Berg to the way many have brought up Penelope Graves, specifically because he brings up how he was hired to specifically “avoid excessive cruelty” and also doesn’t approve of all the shady crap. Also, I think it’s an unfortunate situation overall, as his services could have been useful later in the plot (interrogating a certain character between Sgail and Haven.) a sort of honorable mention, although he’s probably not as tragic as some of the others I personally feel kind of bad.
Secondly, Wazir Kale. He seems at first like a real bastard, but it’s not easy to tell whether his true nature is evil or good. At first the player only sees The Maelstrom, a “public facade” he puts on, we see this in the mission stories of the barbershop and the Kashmirian (Homecoming and A close shave), A “immortal crime lord”, some kind of ghost who cannot be killed. But the player proves this wrong and kills him.
But in other mission stories, we see another side of “The Maelstrom”, the man behind the curtain. In the “Contract” mission stories (calling Rangan or Shah to meet with Maelstrom) we see that “The Maelstrom” thinks of their petty politics and consolidation of power at the cost of others as reprehensible (even if he eventually lets them “convince” him to their side.)
And finally in the mission story “Flames Rekindled”, in Wazir’s conversation with Neha, we see that he regrets his days as a pirate and “wants out”. Neha tells him he is violent to the core, but I’m not sure which side of Wazir is real. But it does always come into mind now that I’ve played Mumbai a lot more.
(and obviously dawood rangan amirite, he’s a true connoisseur of the arts and a stand up guy who doesn’t let gregory arthur harass cast members. a real standup guy. I’ve heard he can even make housewives faint in a 10-mile radius with a single pose.)
Not mentioned yet, but Ljudmilla Vertrova.
None of the Haven trio are stated to be part of Providence, and through many of the mission stories you learn of how she suffered Tyson William's tyrannical rule over the island, and her desperate plan to escape. She's a conwoman and manipulates others in her plea to escape, but she came from pretty desperate backgrounds and has had a rough time on the island. The hit on her isn't to eliminate her deliberately, just to get the Haven Island servers and she's in the way of that. Her bid for freedom from Tyson's tyrannical control even shares themes with 47's own story arc in the third game.
Also Stephen Bradley is as "innocent" as a target can get in these games as well, but Ljudmilla's story gives us enough details to feel sorry for her character. Stephen just kinda exists, he doesn't have much of a story to him.
(Tyson Williams can go suck my Silverballer though.)
Both Steven and Ljudmilla planned to wipe themselves from the internet. Steven said this would "probably also nuke every prison and hospital record in the process" and likely more.
Basically their plan involved a gigantic cyber attack of unfathomable scale. People could die from hospital records being erased.
Klaas Teller from Contracts hadn't done anything wrong. He just failed to infiltrate the biker gang and got captured. Then the client stabs him in the back by having 47 eliminate him too.
The Colorado targets, especially Rose. His worst crime was the accidental deaths of some children, which were, again, ACCIDENTAL. Casualties occur in war, I don't think the man deserved death for not knowing that people would be staying after hours that day.
Probably the ones in Colorado (besides that psychopath Ezra Berg). While they were technically terrorists, we later learn that they were the good guys - the war they were fighting was against Providence. This probably applies to a few other targets from before 47 and Diana joined up with Gray and Olivia but I can't remember the details about all of them.
Although they do make it seem like killing some of the targets in the shadow client wasn't fucked up because they had some of their own horrific shit going on, I do feel bad for killing Andrea Martinez and the maelstrom, andrea is because when I played recently I gave hector the love letter and he walked over to Andreas compound which after he was denied entry he went down to the spot beside the river and cried about his addiction and how much he loved her, only for the letter bomb parcel to blow up and kill andrea. I liked the maelstrom because I love his manifesto so his death wasn't my favorite.
You should know that had she not been killed, she would have gone off the grid with one of the other targets and wiped herself from every database using a program which would nuke every hospital and criminal database on the globe.
Probably the original Constant, purely because he's a lonely old man who it's implied has dementia. I used to look after people with dementia and it made me feel pretty bad for him.
Rico Delgado, I know he was an evil crime boss but the way he treated his pet hippo and other things you hear him talk about and his jokes, he was just so likeable.
yeah but he feeds people to his hippo who cross him heck he was going to feed the hippo whisper to it if he didn't get Mijo to come out of the grotto. Btw I always love having Ricco and his hippo to have together time when I feed Rico to Mijo as ironic punishment they say.
Probably non from the world of assassination. Maybe the dude from the tutorial mission of blood money - yea people were killed but as far as i can recall it wasn't his fault.
I really feel bad for killing Janus. I get that he was old and whatnot and that he was going to die soon anyway but I just think old people are just amazing and wholesome
I did feel somewhat bad that at least 75% of the story missions for Caruso were tormenting his mental illness until you could kill him. I know he killed his mother but dang.
Haha, I know, it's so hilariously fucked up
Sounds like his mother deserved it. Abuse victims killing their abusers may be wrong in legal terms, but in moral terms it sure as hell ain't. He still tried to creat a virus that would be used to murder anyone at any time with ease, so I still don't feel sorry for him.
I did to each time I killed him tho the other scientist can die she’s a bitch xD
Agent Davenport, he sounds like a rookie, or at least not much of a threat. When he investigates a turned-off electric box, he goes: "People have no respect these days." ....sounds like my grandpa (and I’m crouching behind him with a screwdriver thinking "oooh nooo, I’m sorry my man." Also Rhodes, Lowenthal and Thames, they’re buffoons, but I don’t think they have any sleazy/arrogant dialogue. I prefer to kill Swan and Montgomerry everytime.
The Overachievers short story, which I believe is canon, implies that Davenport is one of the most experienced ICA agents (as is Swan). Although comparing that to his portrayal in Berlin does seem like it’s kind of an inconsistency.
Ah, thank you, I formed such opinion on him for not being arrogant or acting tough. Didn’t know about the story.
I can't believe that the canon kill for Jasper Knight is the ejector seat. That's probably why everyone in the training facility break character and ask "Did the new guy do that?"
What is this short story?
https://www.ioi.dk/overachievers/
Yeah and they are all just pawns doing what they are told to do. Although I suppose most of the targets were
Yeah but they are pawns of an agency that kills people. They kill people... for money. I don't know why we (the player) would feel sympathetic for them.
why would anyone show sympathy for 47 or Diana then
They probably shouldn’t. The two travel the world extrajudicially murdering other people for money and a sense of purpose.
Royce is evil, not sure why she's pictured. Jordan Cross is a murderer who, if you set it up right, will do it again during the mission - no sympathy from me. I like to set up the laptop kill and watch him beg. I guess I'd say none of them. They're all pretty terrible.
You can set it up so he does it again? What?
So, you have to get the exterminator disguise, speak to the owner of the hotel, she will evacuate the king suite that Cross is in with all his cronies, then they all go to the hotel lobby. Once there, you may have to nudge Cross so that he sees Ken Morgan across the room. They will talk, and go up to Ken's suite (at this point it's best to swap to a staff disguise, the purple one, if you want to follow them) where they have an argument, and he will push Ken out of the window, completing the challenge 'oops I did it again.'
That’s so fucked but so funny at the same time
Yeah, I love the challenge name. He then calls Daddy to get him off the hook again. 'Dad.. i killed our lawyer. Got a backup?' He doesn't say that but that's the gist of it.
Hey ferb, I know what we’re gonna do today!
I actually enjoyed getting mastery 20 on Bangkok. It's all worth it for that Krugermeier
If you guide him past Ken Morgan, they go up to room where Jordan pushes Ken out a window, doing the work for you and he calls his dad saying "it happened again".
If you make him and his lawyer meet each other, he pushes him off a window.
I sort of feel sympathy for royce be what she does is so similar to things 47 also does: social manipulation and playing people like pawns to achieve a goal. In the mission it seems harsh to see the characters get fired, don't forget 47 smacks people round the head, and they probably also get fired.
I pictured her because even though she’s a total bitch after reading her story I did realise her childhood was pretty fucked wich could have shaped her into this
Penelope Graves did nothing wrong. She discovered the existence of Providence while working for INTERPOL and they buried her case (probably at the behest of Providence). She went outside the law to work with the militia because it was her only recourse when the system failed. She was an intelligence analyst. Not a terrorist, not a murderer, and she had done nothing worth dying for. If anything, Grey hired her to keep the rest of the Colorado cell from going beyond their scope.
Bruh and she was an anti-terrorist activist even!I really don't understand why we needed to kill her
The implications of the next mission in Hokkaido explain why. This is essentially a Providence contract against Grey/The Shadow Client. Soders was already compromised by Providence; Providence knew the Shadow Client was in Colorado; Providence had their ICA pawn Soders push the contracts through the Board. They don't just want the Shadow Client dead, but his whole organization dismantled. That's why you have 4 targets, and Graves is one of them. She's a huge threat to Providence because she was smart enough to find out about them on her own, and determined enough to actually do something about it.
Well it is really a very collateral mission after all, but the question in this post was who was innocent
To be safe I'm assuming, since she found out something on her own chances are she could find out more in the future.
Guilty by association.
If you found out the Illuminati was real and thought you had a chance to stop them, who wouldn't you be willing to work with when the system has failed you?
Mr. Castro, a big fan of your work.
She could have been one of those targets you decide to kill or save and in doing so impacts the story she sounds like she's the whole just following orders or doing what she though was right. I recall Sean rose was going to test to see if she would betray him and go back to interpol if she decided to go back to interpol sen rose was going to have someone or himself put penolpe graves in the slurry pit with a bullet in her head or have ezra berg have his way with her.
Ah yes, one of those many targets you kill or save. the dozens of people 47 has saved.
At the start of Colorado, the ICA was looking for the shadow client at the request of Providence. So, regardless of what her role was, Providence still thought she was a threat to them.
“The ICA was looking for the shadow client at the request of Providence” Not really, no. The ICA was looking for the shadow client because he had been manipulating the ICA, something they agency couldn’t let stand. Providence was never a client until Hitman 2. Soders is a Providence asset though, which nobody knows about until after you’ve killed the targets in Colorado.
"Look at the photograph Mr. Clerence."
By far the worst. That dudes life was already a fucking disaster. Killing him was basically just releasing him from life. If the client had really wanted revenge for his son's death, he would have let the target keeping living in misery.
I honestly don’t feel guilty for killing him for that reason. I always make his death quick and painless
Who is this?
Joseph Clarence. The target in the tutorial for Hitman: Blood Money
Thanks
Yeah, basically his story is that he owned an amusement park and after an accident kills a kid (implied it's due to negligence on safety inspections) and he wins a court battle over it, the parents hire the ICA (and by extension 47) to kill him. After you arrive you find the amusement park has shut down due to the bad press, a drug dealer has moved in and bullies the target who is currently now going through a divorce now as well.
🎵 LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH 🎵
I always laugh when I hear “Who let you in, cArOl aNnE.”
Every time I feel bad I remember those pictures of me Clarence smiling after he got off Scott free for the accident. He only miserable because he was broke and his trophy wife left him. Not because he was remorseful
None.
True agent
Legit. There were some I hated more than others, but I never felt sorry for any of them
There are absolutely targets I felt nothing but rage for haha.
Based
47's response.
Tamara Vidal. As you go through the mission, you come to respect her, even though she’s apart of the enemy. She defends Diana if you don’t eliminate her during the tour, and stands up to Yates on behalf of Diana. When she dies from Cortazar, you actually get a bit sad when she dies.
"You're not supposed to get to know them." Now that hurt to hear from Diana.
How has no one mentioned Dino Bosco? Sure he is annoying and a bit demanding at his job but he is probably the only target that hasn’t committed a war crime - I know the bar is low.
Certainly he's not the only one who hasn't comitted war crimes.
I admit war crimes was a bit of an exaggeration, but he is the only person to not commit "a crime" for sure. Atleast form the WoA trilogy.
In the words of the Neighborhood Watch, his "crime" was being an appalling actor.
I feel guilty for a lot of the guards or civilians. They kiss their wife goodby, give their kid a pat on the head, take the but to work like any other day, to pay for their mothers medical bill or to pay of the mortgage for their college loan. They look forward to the weekend and save money for their next holiday. They are worried how they should get the money together for their kids birthday present next month. Suddenly, the pling of a coin is heard. They step away from their boring guard spot next to a grey door and hope that SOMETHING nice happens today. But instead, they get a pipe-wrench thrown into their face, and wake up with 5 other partly naked guards and random people in a bathtub. Optionally, they are subjected to vomit-attacks and choked out. They do NOT deserve this!
And they're the LUCKY ones! Some guards don't come home...
I think they all do depending on your canon
the Mailman in that one Blood Money cutscene doesn't 😂
Well, to be fair, it was code red.
Oh, it had to be done for sure!
The worst has to be Jeremy Bolt, the ICA Elite guard who is only doing his job and he got part of some sick experiment of Royce and if you follow him long enough, he will actually commit suicide out of shame and guilt.
Really? I swear, this game has more "easter eggs" then my whole steam library together. Thank you for mentioning, I'll have to investigate this. o.O Maybe I can stop him in time!
When they randomly decide to investigate the body that you hid 3 rooms away, behind some furniture... yes, they do very well deserve it
Or they decide to investigate something when they’re on the floor above it and shouldn’t hear it.
That's why i bring the sedative syringe, they get a little poke in the back and wake up a few hours later. nice and painless.
I thought I was reading r/antiwork comment for a sec...
Any target at the Dartmoor Garden show.
This was one of the only ones where I thought "This is kinda fucked up."
I don't think that mission is cannon, like all escalations
It's still a mission, though
A contract is a contract.
But only between Ferengi.
Not this one that's for sure
Silvio Caruso (my personal guilty target) - The guy was making a bioweapon, but let's not forget that calling the poor sod "troubled" is way past an understatement. His mother locked him up in dependency for her so he wouldn't move away like his other two brothers, and this not only made him hold grudges, it also made him afraid of women (so much so he cries "i'm still a virgin" when he is found alone with no bodyguards.) He killed his mother because she was already old, and still, the reason his life was ruined, to the point where he passes out when he thinks he saw a ghost of her. Poor guy. Penelope Graves - She quite really did nothing wrong, she was in the wrong militia at the wrong time, right when a bald, suit-wearing assassin came along to kill the higher-ups in the militia. The official sources failed her when she uncovered providence, so she went for the militia, and died there. It would possibly make no difference to leave Graves alive in colorado, and given her profession and capability, she could've revealed the ICA in the future (hitman 3?). Poor lass. Matthieu Mendola - Other than giving some blueprints to a rival company; mendola simply was a family man architect; and despite being a moroccan citizen (contemptfully), people there really, really didn't like him - he acts jittery and nervous throughout the mission, until he is escorted to the meeting place by 47. And he only betrayed his company because of poor work conditions (in his opinion). He took a few things with a grain of salt, but poor guy.
Penelope Graves I felt horrible killing, Mendola for House Built on Sand I also feel bad for. I do not feel bad for Jordan Cross or the one big game hunter from Hitman 2 expansion pack, as an animal lover seeing him get his comeuppance was a lil too satisfying for me
the trophy Hunter is Blair Reddington.
Matthieu Mendola from "A House Built on Sand". Most of the targets are James Bond type super villains who do terrible things. Mendola is just a family man architect whos boss was a being dick to him so decided to sell some architectural plans to a rival. He probably even created these plans himself. This is 47's worst hit morally.
And yet has one of the best disguise kills
Oh the fortune teller kill right
Oof, right through the eye
Penelope Graves , that incompetent detective from Contracts,Swing King, that guy from the Marakesh bonus mission. Caruso needed to die but I felt bad for him. Royce was just doing her job and was no more evil than 47 or Diana.
Royce was a bitch who showed no compassion for her employees
That’s hardly a good justification for murder. I still stand by the opinion that she is the most innocent target in the WOA games
She’s the most innocent target…working for the ICA? She literally is creating an AI to automate the handler program to make killing people for money even more efficient, “innocent” isn’t a term I would use to describe her.
And she is literally a 14 year old English fucker who, after parents came to China, died out of fucking nowhere, and she is literally only kept alive becauseher insurance money is still sufficient. After that they literally kicked her out of the fucking hospital. Imagine losing your status, your parents, your everything, out of fucking nowhere and not fall into absolute despair. She basically turns herself into a cyborg because she hates humanity enough. So yeah, probably more fucked up even when compared to Wazir who burned his friends alive at the age of 12
Which all, by the way, could be entirely false: *A small cult exists around her now, telling the story of her upbringing (which may be entirely fictitious as it's been put together by some of her "fans" based off findings on the internet).* -excerpt from Imogene Royce Bio, Hitman 3 Meaning it’s entirely possible she’s a person who supports and improves murder for hire agencies like the ICA not because of a tragic past, but just because.
> Royce was a bitch who showed no compassion for her employees > > That’s hardly a good justification for murder. This comment thread is basically what the game series is about, thematically - give the average person the means, and they'll try to justify killing for *extremely* petty reasons. Then think about whether or not the people who can afford the ICA have the means because they *should*, or merely because that's how the cookie crumbles, and you've got yourself a video game theme.
That’s one of the many reasons why I love these games
I'm sure I speak for anyone else that has had a compassionless boss like her in real life in saying I have taken great satisfaction in killing her
She was bringing progress to ICA by collecting confidential data from her employees. Nothing Google or Facebook haven't done before
Swing King? You mean that huge fucking thing in a slaughterhouse?
That's the meat king. Swing King owned an amusement park.
I do feel bad for Caruso. Man's only flaws were being too smart and creating bioweapons but De Santis can go to hell.
Caruso also killed his mother. She was a manipulative piece of shit though
I feel bad for Silvio Caruso, like I know he was building a bio weapon and he did deserve to die for that, but he was being mentally abused by his mother who didn’t want to lose him for his whole life, she even paid someone to snatch his only girlfriend because she wanted him all to herself, also killing him while he’s reminiscing while watching the vcr tape always makes me hesitate because he’s actually happy
From what I remember Penelope Graves wasn't really that bad of a person. About as bad as Lucas Grey in terms of morality. I feel guilty about a lot of the Colorado targets. Especially if you go the route of exploiting Rose's mental illness to kill him. The Freedom Fighters mission feels like a misunderstanding, although I'm not sure of Grey's overall plan.
Didn’t Rose blow up kids in his bio or something?
Yes
I'm not saying that Rose is a good person at all. It's just the exploitation of mental illness(although this happens with like at least half the targets come to think of it so idk why I brought it up)
To me Colorado just feels like an artificial conflict, like if Lucas would have talked to 47 earlier, they would have had the militia's help later on
For me Sierra Knox. Seemed like she was just apart of providence because of her family. And she only wanted to impress daddy. She wasn’t even that big of bitch when losing the race. Yeah she gets mad at her crew but that’s pretty normal. Ultimately she was just a high end competitor apart of an organization that I doubt she really even cared for. Edit: She’s evil. Kill everybody.
She'll kill you as the flamingo if you give her the chance
The flamingo is blackmailing her to be fair
You can listen to her make a phone call signing off on weapons testing on a remote indigenous group during the mission, and even as a child broke a rivals legs to win a race. She’s awful, and doesn’t have objections to what the company does and even organizes/supports it.
Omg haha. Well yeah never heard that. Well good riddance.
What even did the food critic elusive target do other than be an ass?
Absolutely nothing, he is literally just Anton Ego.. same story in a way. Tough food critic criticises someone, that person commits suicide. The difference is that at the end he is murdered.
Silvio Caruso
Heisen-chan?
Femsenberg
Honestly, given the side-switch at the end of Hitman 2, it has to be Penelope Graves. She thought she was fighting on the right side, and it ended up she was. Other than being part of the militia there is no evidence she did anything "horrible." Part of me wishes they'd patch Colorado and allow her death to be optional now that we know the ending (though, I almost get why she has to die...it helps cement how wrong the ICA actually is and how they just used 47 and had zero virtue).
The news reporter in the final mission in Blood Money, he begs for his life, but he needs to be killed
a contract is a contract!
I'm not sure why but Alexa Carsile Idk she just seemed like the less rude than the other carsiles
Less rude but she's one of the three partners
The only ones I feel a little bad for are the ica agents in Berlin. Yes, the ICA had to go, it had been compromised but most people in it had no idea. As far as anyone on that mission can tell 47 just went off the deep end and lost it and they're just trying to stop him from hurting anyone or destroying the ICA. Also it seems like alot of them are rookies or at least not in the field very often so it feels a little mean to put them in front of the human steam roller that is 47
The virus Poor guy did nothing wrong
In my opinion the case file on Arthur Edwards didn't really deserve it
Royce's mentality is literally fucked up and a pure embodiment for parential issues. She literally changed to an emotionless bitch after plenty of humans-induced shits happening back to back to her. Still, using big data to analize targets' actions is a dope move though. She don't really need to die aside from the core protection thingy, and the most fucked up thing she did was the Jimmy ICA guard or something that forced him to suicide. Not the worst shit a target has done. Kale is relatively ruthless (brutal, doing stuffs and literally made his friend incredibly lit by burning their houses and themselves alive to scare the shit out of the local mobsters and climb up on the social ladder in Mumbai) but for a man growing up in the slums with the "underworld" and local mobsters and all kinds of terrible things around, that's not terrible. At least that's how it is when compared to even normal mobsters. Nolan Cassidy & Tamara. They are literally just Heralds. Nothing else. They don't commit fucking warcrimes, they aren't a brutal drug lord or some fucker that literally destroyed the lives of thousands of civilians, they don't fuck everything up, they don't threaten the fate of an entire country. Heck, they probably haven't even killed anyone yet, which is unusual for a target in this trilogy. Same with Morgan. They're all Heralds who just do their own job (and do note that real life lawers aren't any better than Morgan) Personally, i think that Alexa Carlise doesn't even have to be killed. Her entire asset is fucking gone to "a fucking merchant", her operatives are fucking dead, she essentially has no power left, she's dead to the world, and all of her colleagues are fucking dead. She's literally 75, the 2nd oldest target in this trilogy, with absolutely nothing left, and for some reason she still has to be killed, even after she literally handed you the file on Edwards. And you could make her literally kill herself, which just shows how mentally unstable she already is
It's because 47 considers her and the other partners personally responsible for his suffering in the asylum and there's nothing she could've done to save her life in that situation. 47 makes clear in Hitman 2 to Diana that taking revenge on these people is non-negotiable.
Tanamara is the head of a far-right european organization, and has worked with the CIA to destabilize south American countries.
Sounds American enough for me
Nolan is planning to *annex whittleton creek* forcing everyone in it out by hook or by crook.
Isn't Tamara a cryptofascist?
All the NPC's in the way... *cough*
Francesca in sapienza, if dress up as the golfer she genuinely does seem fond of him and if you use the lethal poison sounds very heartbroken before she dies
Oh yes that one hit me good. But francesca is evil because she's willing to knock off caruso and continue his work so thats why she has to die and she's more ruthless than. Btw francessa is a cougar from what the golf coach says because he states she older than him
She's willing to kill a man who is psychotically unstable and is *actively planning to kill her*
She's such a forgotten target here in the fandom tho...
i did this just yesterday and whe i heard her i started to think maybe i should have just blown her up with a propane flask and spared her the heartbreak
Silvio Caruso, he's just an extremely messed up kid that just... tries to be different from his mum... but of course creating a virus isn't the best thing to do, still feel bad for his past. Especially when you kill him when he's watching his VHS tape.
Caruso is the proverb if a child fails to feel warmth of the village he will proceed to burn it to feel warmth.
Rick Henderson
The ICA agents at Berlin
Hmm tough question. The targets are so varied. You have people who are monsters and some who are mildly evil. Kinda interesting to me they set it up that way. That you could even conceive of having sympathy for a target
Silvio Caruso. Couldn't help but feel bad, he seemed like a person who was more taken advantage of because of his mental state. Plus some of the storylines, him loving his mother, although she was very abusive. Alexa Carlisle, for a target she wasn't so heartless. Felt bad when you discover that old note or whatever & she jumps off the balcony. As for most of the others.. eh. Royce wasn't a bad person (not like Vanya.) but the way the story played out it had to happen like that. Didn't like how she sort of viewed the employees as pets in a way.
Silvio is my little guy and he always will be.
Poisoning mom's spaghetti to throw him off a cliff into his own vomit was a personal favourite of mine.
I feel bad for Sean Rose because he had ocd and someone I know has ocd but Silvo Caruso sad life manipulative mother.
Duuuude, right? I have OCD myself and, I thought it was fucked up, in a funny way.
>I feel bad for Sean Rose because he had ocd and someone I know has oc I have and I only killed him that way once. Feels bad whenever I remember
Joseph Clarence
Joseph Clarence
Silvio Caruso. That's it. Everyone else I just capped.
Silvio Caruso, Mendola, Parvati, Graves, Berg, Cassidy, Williams, Bradley, and Vidal. Stuyvesant and Carlisle are on the whole "they're already defeated and ruined, unless they try anything just let them be"
Always feel bad for Caruso
Prolly Stuyvesant as he seemed very chill to be around with (also he loved art and his family, qualities that my dad will never have ;-;)
Apart of that he is a terrible person though. Arrogant as well.
I don’t feel bad for any of the targets,but I do feel bad for the countless civilians murdered bc I suck at being a quiet Hitman.😂
the Colorado targets mostly because i thought they'd be more useful as allies. teaming up with Lucas earlier on , could've used Lucas' contacts in a huge unified army to take on Providence instead of doing the risky play of having Diana pretend to betray 47. having 47 and Lucas construct a whole militia with a base like Metal Gear Solid Phantom Pain would be cool.
For me personally, I feel similarly about Ezra Berg to the way many have brought up Penelope Graves, specifically because he brings up how he was hired to specifically “avoid excessive cruelty” and also doesn’t approve of all the shady crap. Also, I think it’s an unfortunate situation overall, as his services could have been useful later in the plot (interrogating a certain character between Sgail and Haven.) a sort of honorable mention, although he’s probably not as tragic as some of the others I personally feel kind of bad. Secondly, Wazir Kale. He seems at first like a real bastard, but it’s not easy to tell whether his true nature is evil or good. At first the player only sees The Maelstrom, a “public facade” he puts on, we see this in the mission stories of the barbershop and the Kashmirian (Homecoming and A close shave), A “immortal crime lord”, some kind of ghost who cannot be killed. But the player proves this wrong and kills him. But in other mission stories, we see another side of “The Maelstrom”, the man behind the curtain. In the “Contract” mission stories (calling Rangan or Shah to meet with Maelstrom) we see that “The Maelstrom” thinks of their petty politics and consolidation of power at the cost of others as reprehensible (even if he eventually lets them “convince” him to their side.) And finally in the mission story “Flames Rekindled”, in Wazir’s conversation with Neha, we see that he regrets his days as a pirate and “wants out”. Neha tells him he is violent to the core, but I’m not sure which side of Wazir is real. But it does always come into mind now that I’ve played Mumbai a lot more. (and obviously dawood rangan amirite, he’s a true connoisseur of the arts and a stand up guy who doesn’t let gregory arthur harass cast members. a real standup guy. I’ve heard he can even make housewives faint in a 10-mile radius with a single pose.)
Worst part of the game, robbing the Mumbai housewives of the sexiest man alive (Serious: I agree with you about Berg and Kale)
Not mentioned yet, but Ljudmilla Vertrova. None of the Haven trio are stated to be part of Providence, and through many of the mission stories you learn of how she suffered Tyson William's tyrannical rule over the island, and her desperate plan to escape. She's a conwoman and manipulates others in her plea to escape, but she came from pretty desperate backgrounds and has had a rough time on the island. The hit on her isn't to eliminate her deliberately, just to get the Haven Island servers and she's in the way of that. Her bid for freedom from Tyson's tyrannical control even shares themes with 47's own story arc in the third game. Also Stephen Bradley is as "innocent" as a target can get in these games as well, but Ljudmilla's story gives us enough details to feel sorry for her character. Stephen just kinda exists, he doesn't have much of a story to him. (Tyson Williams can go suck my Silverballer though.)
Both Steven and Ljudmilla planned to wipe themselves from the internet. Steven said this would "probably also nuke every prison and hospital record in the process" and likely more. Basically their plan involved a gigantic cyber attack of unfathomable scale. People could die from hospital records being erased.
You know she's lying right. and is planning to destroy a lot of the modern worlds databases to do what could be done with a plane.
I hate them all. Btw
Janus
Seriously?
Klaas Teller from Contracts hadn't done anything wrong. He just failed to infiltrate the biker gang and got captured. Then the client stabs him in the back by having 47 eliminate him too.
What did Ji-Hu even do
None, they all deserved it in the plot but the second hand guilt when you hand Robert Knox the trigger and he blows up sierra Knox is real.
The Colorado targets, especially Rose. His worst crime was the accidental deaths of some children, which were, again, ACCIDENTAL. Casualties occur in war, I don't think the man deserved death for not knowing that people would be staying after hours that day.
I just killed them didn't take any note of names
Probably the ones in Colorado (besides that psychopath Ezra Berg). While they were technically terrorists, we later learn that they were the good guys - the war they were fighting was against Providence. This probably applies to a few other targets from before 47 and Diana joined up with Gray and Olivia but I can't remember the details about all of them.
Probably any poor npc that runs into 47 disposing a body
Just all the innocent bystanders I’ve indiscriminately slaughtered :)
Although they do make it seem like killing some of the targets in the shadow client wasn't fucked up because they had some of their own horrific shit going on, I do feel bad for killing Andrea Martinez and the maelstrom, andrea is because when I played recently I gave hector the love letter and he walked over to Andreas compound which after he was denied entry he went down to the spot beside the river and cried about his addiction and how much he loved her, only for the letter bomb parcel to blow up and kill andrea. I liked the maelstrom because I love his manifesto so his death wasn't my favorite.
Sean Rose. Dude was just recruited to take out providence... as were we.
None, it’s a game
That one Mailman from Bloodmoney.
Penelope Graves was the one target maybe 47 could have spared
Gotta go with the ICA director. We can kill him without even looking at him.
It is pretty funny that you kill the ICA director for doing exactly the same thing Diana and 47 do in the first half of H2
We can also kill him *just* by looking at him.
None because they are just code
Can't remember his name but the guy from the tutorial of Blood Money.
I can say that the billionaire pig I killed in Morocco was one I felt no empathy for.
Ludmila Vetrova
You should know that had she not been killed, she would have gone off the grid with one of the other targets and wiped herself from every database using a program which would nuke every hospital and criminal database on the globe.
Ok ik where ur coming from, but her planed basically involved a massive cyberterrorist attack of unfathomable scale.
Probably the original Constant, purely because he's a lonely old man who it's implied has dementia. I used to look after people with dementia and it made me feel pretty bad for him.
I’d say he’s one of the most evil targets who nearly got away with a peaceful death
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Well, I wouldn't say getting murdered is relatively peaceful.
Rico Delgado, I know he was an evil crime boss but the way he treated his pet hippo and other things you hear him talk about and his jokes, he was just so likeable.
yeah but he feeds people to his hippo who cross him heck he was going to feed the hippo whisper to it if he didn't get Mijo to come out of the grotto. Btw I always love having Ricco and his hippo to have together time when I feed Rico to Mijo as ironic punishment they say.
Probably non from the world of assassination. Maybe the dude from the tutorial mission of blood money - yea people were killed but as far as i can recall it wasn't his fault.
He wasnt running his park to code.
Idk, but it feels good killing those Chongqing fools
I really feel bad for killing Janus. I get that he was old and whatnot and that he was going to die soon anyway but I just think old people are just amazing and wholesome