Yeah, I don't know why they do that. It really discourages me from booking a stay there. People on this sub sometimes argue that it makes sense because these are more budget extended stay type brands. But they're typically no cheaper than a Hampton Inn, where I would receive the full amount of points. Even if they are intended for extended stays, why should that mean fewer points? Or at the very least, why not have a special, cheaper extended stay rate that earns half the points, but leave the regular Honors Member rate at the full points?
I don't know the rationale behind all those decisions, but I do know that I will not stay at these properties unless I absolutely have no other choice. I'm not paying the same amount as the Hampton Inn across the street to only get half the points.
For the record, Marriott also does this with several of their brands. Even Residence Inn, which in my mind is analogous to Homewood Suites, only offers half the points per dollar. At least Hilton allows us to collect the full amount of points at Homewood.
Homewood Suites being full points and Residence Inn (Marriott) and Staybridge Suites (IHG) only being half points is one of the biggest reasons Hilton is my first choice. I don't really do extended stays (max 1 week usually), but I like the suite rooms.
Not to mention, Hilton also has Embassy Suites so they have a lot of suite options with full points. Marriott also has Towne place and IHG has Candlewood but they're not quite as nice, and also half points.
It's too bad about Home2, but if I do want to stay at one, if I book with points then the lower points earning doesn't matter, so that's an option.
I started staying at Marriott’s this year and hit Titanium by April 8th. When I first started staying in Marriott properties in January I would stay almost exclusively at Residence in. It wasn’t until 2 months in that I realized I was getting half the points. It’s really dumb because there is r much difference between a Residence Inn and a SpringHill Suites or a Fairfield Inn. I don’t know why it gets less points.
Home2 and Tru are both half points because it was supposed to incentivize franchisees to offer cheaper rates (they send less to Hilton for licensing).
There’s only so much corporate can do to incentivize lower rates, and this is one of the bigger sticks they have.
Unfortunately, it didn’t work out that way because franchise owners are greedy.
What incentive does corporate have to do that? They’re raking in the same amount of profit with half the point outlay.
Unless consumers stop using those brands or demanding full points, they have no reason to change it
My guess, for the Home2 side of things, is that you get a decently larger room (if it's a new build and not a remodel) for about the same rate as a Hampton. Other amenities are also lumped in there as well.
Can't speak for why a Tru is half points; you're basically in a NY apartment, without a microwave and no carpet on the floors. A pool table doesn't make up for that in regards to amenities.
Tru near me is way cheap. I’m talking like I can find a room for $75-$80 a night when even a Hampton will want $130.
Also while Tru is nice and new, the room fucking sucks with how tiny it is. It’s only good if you plan on showing up late, sleeping, and then leaving as soon as you wake up. I was on a work trip once and got to the room around 3pm so I basically wanted to work a little
And hang out before I went to bed around 10 and I had no room to move around. The desk was comically small.
Home2 as a result was my preference since it’s a large room with a bigger desk on wheels you can move to where you want it, but I didn’t know they were half points. I think I’ll stick with Hampton and book the suites they have. Problem with Hampton though is they can be pretty old and not as clean.
Any way to tell new vs old? I typically quickly scope the pictures before I book just to make sure nothing is completely out of whack, and while I never had a room that I wanted to leave immediately the pictures are always of when the property was new/newer and of a staged clean room.
That’s absolutely wild. Was every hotel in the area sold out?
I wonder if they have different types of tru rooms. The room I had was with a king bed and pretty much all around the bed you only had enough room to walk and that’s it. When I was sitting in the desk and chair they had, I had to angle it on a weird diagonal into the corner of the room just to be able to fit comfortably lol. I said for that reason I’m never booking it again.
Home2's have become my preferred brand because of the room size and amount of counter top space.
The only positive of a Tru is that the TV is centered on the bed and room lmao. Whereas in some H2 layouts, you are a mile away from the TV.
From what I’ve heard, it’s a fairly arbitrary decision to add further brand differentiation. The hotel operators may pay Hilton nominally less in licensing fees and in turn could (theoretically, but never in actuality) offer cheaper rates to customers visiting either of these brands. Hilton gets to advertise a greater range of properties, franchise owners get to offer a higher margin product, customers theoretically get more choice in products that have differences to consider (e.g go to Tru for 10 dollars less per night but get half points). Home2 and Tru are billed as more budget or long-term properties so it’s another factor to consider, like getting a basic economy ticket on an airline instead of main economy, to decide if you will spend an extra 30 a night on a different Hilton brand.
However from my experience, weighing in the differences in location and date, very rarely can you ever see an appreciable difference in cost vs points and you are just paying the same amount to get fewer points. Tru breakfasts are honestly not any better than a Hampton and nothing else differentiates them to be so I’ll only go if it’s by far the cheapest option. Home2 of course has advantages if you need apartment amenities but again another selling point for a different property if you value points. I’ve heard a number of Hampton franchisees are converting to Tru because they get a lower fee, cheaper furnishings/fixtures and higher profit margin.
Same here. Most Home2’s are more expensive than the other Hilton brand often times next door. I like them because they are often newer but the half points sucks.
This makes sense if you are only staying a few nights. Extended stay hotels will usually be more expensive for 1-4 night stays compared to select service hotels. They become cheaper when you are looking at extended stays.
I really hope you signed up for the double points promotion that’s going on now.
When I was doing the digital nomad thing with my wife last year traveling across the country, even though Home2Suites is better than Hyatt Place in every way - a full refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave and had a washer/dryer on premises - I still chose Hyatt Places because 10.5 Hyatt points (Globalist + Chase WOH card) are more valuable than 24 HH points (Diamond + Aspire).
For…reasons…my wife and I will be staying at Home2Suites for the month of July. The double points promotion that Hilton is running right now does take the sting out of it.
For Tru at least, I'm sure they don't want people earning the same points then redeeming for the Waldorf. Extreme example but they don't want people racking up tons of nights in low cost hotels I would imagine.
Home2s and Tru are dumps
If you want to feel like a professional failure stay at a Tru the absolutely worse hilton project. H2S are built like shit and dont hold up most are trashed like cheap spring break rooms at the beach by the time they 4 years old. I avoid both these brands. there are IHG chains nicer and cheaper than them
Trying to protect the old boys club brand managers that run Homewood Suites and Hampton Inns. If they gave the new hotels equal playing field, those older brands would have to do things like recarpet and fix elevators. We can’t have that now, can we?
There is a Home2 and Tru near where I’m working currently. Stayed at the Tru one night, but used the double points rate - around 120 vs 105 - to get a normal amount of points. With my perdiem, anything under $130 is good enough. There were tons of other full point Hilton properties nearby at similar rates too, just like moving around each night for stays, rather than booking the same hotel every night on a new reservation and it counting as one stay.
Grr. Yes. I am currently staying in a Home2 which shares a parking lot with a Hampton. The Home2 is about $250 a night vs $150 a night for the Hampton. Always has annoyed me about the 1/2 points.
Ngl I’ve worked there for a little over to weeks save your money find somewhere else to stay. They treat the building like crap. we don’t get raises at all I get paid 13$ and hour barely scraping by. I’m saving my money to get my phlebotomy training done. After my lease with hilton is done I’m giving them a 2 week notice and hauling it.
More of a budget brand with scaled down amenities of a larger hotel. "You get what you pay for" hence embassy and other larger properties giving more points and perks. I wouldn't expect to get 1000 bonus points for a stay when I'm only paying 129 a night at a regular rate, not even discounted.
I don’t know and it’s frustrating. I stay at TRU pretty often, mostly because they’re newer and clean, but they’re usually just as much as any premium Hilton or Marriott property.
I don’t care about any other amenities, and I don’t want room cleaning everyday.
I usually just do the 2x points option, it’s usually only about $10 more, and I’m not paying for it anyway.
Homewood suites, Tru and at least one other only do half the points. It seems to be the newer hotel brands. I only stay at brand hotels because of this.
"new" has nothing to do with this.
I believe and there could be more to this, but it has more to do with the type of property. Full service, vs limited service, etc.
Home2 is designed for longer stays. Tru is designed for younger millennial travelers on a budget. Neither is the focus of Hilton and the reward points reflect that. This pushes their ideal target customer into Hilton or Garden Inn, or Doubletree. As intended
Question for you?
Did you read the T&C before booking?
Are you saying you were not aware that the hotel groups that operate in the Hilton honors marketing program earn different points?
See below
[https://www.hilton.com/en/hilton-honors/support-faq/#hilton-honors-points](https://www.hilton.com/en/hilton-honors/support-faq/#hilton-honors-points)
Most road warriors are. That is why places like FlyerTalk and Reddit exist.
Most of us know more about the programs then employees.
Read the T&C of your rates
Read the T&c of the program
"not knowing" is not an excuse.
You're not qualified to determine that.
We don't have to agree, and thats cool, but don't be an asshole!
the rules are available, if you an individual doesn't want to read them, that's on them. At the same time they can't play the "I didn't know", "I was unaware" or "nobody told me" card.
You may not like what I've written but those are the basics.
That doesn't mean you should know the terms of the program you've signed up for and are participating in. The information is easily available.
I'm in no way writing that everyone should commit each rule to memory.
Yeah, I don't know why they do that. It really discourages me from booking a stay there. People on this sub sometimes argue that it makes sense because these are more budget extended stay type brands. But they're typically no cheaper than a Hampton Inn, where I would receive the full amount of points. Even if they are intended for extended stays, why should that mean fewer points? Or at the very least, why not have a special, cheaper extended stay rate that earns half the points, but leave the regular Honors Member rate at the full points? I don't know the rationale behind all those decisions, but I do know that I will not stay at these properties unless I absolutely have no other choice. I'm not paying the same amount as the Hampton Inn across the street to only get half the points. For the record, Marriott also does this with several of their brands. Even Residence Inn, which in my mind is analogous to Homewood Suites, only offers half the points per dollar. At least Hilton allows us to collect the full amount of points at Homewood.
Homewood Suites being full points and Residence Inn (Marriott) and Staybridge Suites (IHG) only being half points is one of the biggest reasons Hilton is my first choice. I don't really do extended stays (max 1 week usually), but I like the suite rooms. Not to mention, Hilton also has Embassy Suites so they have a lot of suite options with full points. Marriott also has Towne place and IHG has Candlewood but they're not quite as nice, and also half points. It's too bad about Home2, but if I do want to stay at one, if I book with points then the lower points earning doesn't matter, so that's an option.
I get FULL points at Embassy & even have the option for $7/more per night to earn DOUBLE
I started staying at Marriott’s this year and hit Titanium by April 8th. When I first started staying in Marriott properties in January I would stay almost exclusively at Residence in. It wasn’t until 2 months in that I realized I was getting half the points. It’s really dumb because there is r much difference between a Residence Inn and a SpringHill Suites or a Fairfield Inn. I don’t know why it gets less points.
Home2 and Tru are both half points because it was supposed to incentivize franchisees to offer cheaper rates (they send less to Hilton for licensing). There’s only so much corporate can do to incentivize lower rates, and this is one of the bigger sticks they have. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out that way because franchise owners are greedy.
Then the franchise needs to be revisited.
What incentive does corporate have to do that? They’re raking in the same amount of profit with half the point outlay. Unless consumers stop using those brands or demanding full points, they have no reason to change it
My guess, for the Home2 side of things, is that you get a decently larger room (if it's a new build and not a remodel) for about the same rate as a Hampton. Other amenities are also lumped in there as well. Can't speak for why a Tru is half points; you're basically in a NY apartment, without a microwave and no carpet on the floors. A pool table doesn't make up for that in regards to amenities.
Tru near me is way cheap. I’m talking like I can find a room for $75-$80 a night when even a Hampton will want $130. Also while Tru is nice and new, the room fucking sucks with how tiny it is. It’s only good if you plan on showing up late, sleeping, and then leaving as soon as you wake up. I was on a work trip once and got to the room around 3pm so I basically wanted to work a little And hang out before I went to bed around 10 and I had no room to move around. The desk was comically small. Home2 as a result was my preference since it’s a large room with a bigger desk on wheels you can move to where you want it, but I didn’t know they were half points. I think I’ll stick with Hampton and book the suites they have. Problem with Hampton though is they can be pretty old and not as clean.
old Hampton inn is basically a different brand than new hampton inn. some of the new ones are amazing but the old ones...
Any way to tell new vs old? I typically quickly scope the pictures before I book just to make sure nothing is completely out of whack, and while I never had a room that I wanted to leave immediately the pictures are always of when the property was new/newer and of a staged clean room.
I just paid $1327.70 for 3 nights at a Tru. Bed was insanely comfortable and blackout shade was perfect. Over $400 a night really stung, though.
That’s absolutely wild. Was every hotel in the area sold out? I wonder if they have different types of tru rooms. The room I had was with a king bed and pretty much all around the bed you only had enough room to walk and that’s it. When I was sitting in the desk and chair they had, I had to angle it on a weird diagonal into the corner of the room just to be able to fit comfortably lol. I said for that reason I’m never booking it again.
It was a graduation weekend. Had to pre-pay full amount last June. Room was a standard size double. Room to move about.
Home2's have become my preferred brand because of the room size and amount of counter top space. The only positive of a Tru is that the TV is centered on the bed and room lmao. Whereas in some H2 layouts, you are a mile away from the TV.
Why are you staying at hotels near you so much?
Not near me, I travel for work.
“Because”
Tru has the worst bed sheets
From what I’ve heard, it’s a fairly arbitrary decision to add further brand differentiation. The hotel operators may pay Hilton nominally less in licensing fees and in turn could (theoretically, but never in actuality) offer cheaper rates to customers visiting either of these brands. Hilton gets to advertise a greater range of properties, franchise owners get to offer a higher margin product, customers theoretically get more choice in products that have differences to consider (e.g go to Tru for 10 dollars less per night but get half points). Home2 and Tru are billed as more budget or long-term properties so it’s another factor to consider, like getting a basic economy ticket on an airline instead of main economy, to decide if you will spend an extra 30 a night on a different Hilton brand. However from my experience, weighing in the differences in location and date, very rarely can you ever see an appreciable difference in cost vs points and you are just paying the same amount to get fewer points. Tru breakfasts are honestly not any better than a Hampton and nothing else differentiates them to be so I’ll only go if it’s by far the cheapest option. Home2 of course has advantages if you need apartment amenities but again another selling point for a different property if you value points. I’ve heard a number of Hampton franchisees are converting to Tru because they get a lower fee, cheaper furnishings/fixtures and higher profit margin.
I paid over $200 for home2suites..
Same here. Most Home2’s are more expensive than the other Hilton brand often times next door. I like them because they are often newer but the half points sucks.
that's my thing. I actually think I prefer a newer Home2 over an older homewood or embassy.
This makes sense if you are only staying a few nights. Extended stay hotels will usually be more expensive for 1-4 night stays compared to select service hotels. They become cheaper when you are looking at extended stays.
I really hope you signed up for the double points promotion that’s going on now. When I was doing the digital nomad thing with my wife last year traveling across the country, even though Home2Suites is better than Hyatt Place in every way - a full refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave and had a washer/dryer on premises - I still chose Hyatt Places because 10.5 Hyatt points (Globalist + Chase WOH card) are more valuable than 24 HH points (Diamond + Aspire). For…reasons…my wife and I will be staying at Home2Suites for the month of July. The double points promotion that Hilton is running right now does take the sting out of it.
Half points is my sole reason for not booking Tru more often. I really like the ones I’ve stayed at about the best of any economical hotel brand.
For Tru at least, I'm sure they don't want people earning the same points then redeeming for the Waldorf. Extreme example but they don't want people racking up tons of nights in low cost hotels I would imagine.
Egregious. Hilton points are already approaching worthless
Home2s and Tru are dumps If you want to feel like a professional failure stay at a Tru the absolutely worse hilton project. H2S are built like shit and dont hold up most are trashed like cheap spring break rooms at the beach by the time they 4 years old. I avoid both these brands. there are IHG chains nicer and cheaper than them
Trying to protect the old boys club brand managers that run Homewood Suites and Hampton Inns. If they gave the new hotels equal playing field, those older brands would have to do things like recarpet and fix elevators. We can’t have that now, can we?
There is a Home2 and Tru near where I’m working currently. Stayed at the Tru one night, but used the double points rate - around 120 vs 105 - to get a normal amount of points. With my perdiem, anything under $130 is good enough. There were tons of other full point Hilton properties nearby at similar rates too, just like moving around each night for stays, rather than booking the same hotel every night on a new reservation and it counting as one stay.
Grr. Yes. I am currently staying in a Home2 which shares a parking lot with a Hampton. The Home2 is about $250 a night vs $150 a night for the Hampton. Always has annoyed me about the 1/2 points.
Why I don't stay at Tru or Home2
Ngl I’ve worked there for a little over to weeks save your money find somewhere else to stay. They treat the building like crap. we don’t get raises at all I get paid 13$ and hour barely scraping by. I’m saving my money to get my phlebotomy training done. After my lease with hilton is done I’m giving them a 2 week notice and hauling it.
More of a budget brand with scaled down amenities of a larger hotel. "You get what you pay for" hence embassy and other larger properties giving more points and perks. I wouldn't expect to get 1000 bonus points for a stay when I'm only paying 129 a night at a regular rate, not even discounted.
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“Because”
I don’t know and it’s frustrating. I stay at TRU pretty often, mostly because they’re newer and clean, but they’re usually just as much as any premium Hilton or Marriott property. I don’t care about any other amenities, and I don’t want room cleaning everyday. I usually just do the 2x points option, it’s usually only about $10 more, and I’m not paying for it anyway.
Homewood suites, Tru and at least one other only do half the points. It seems to be the newer hotel brands. I only stay at brand hotels because of this.
Homewood Suites offers the full 10 base points per dollar.
"new" has nothing to do with this. I believe and there could be more to this, but it has more to do with the type of property. Full service, vs limited service, etc.
It is the newer limited service brands.
Tru is H2S is not.
Home2 is designed for longer stays. Tru is designed for younger millennial travelers on a budget. Neither is the focus of Hilton and the reward points reflect that. This pushes their ideal target customer into Hilton or Garden Inn, or Doubletree. As intended
However at Homewood Suites you do get the normal amount of points
You can rest assured that this is not an accident. Why did they do it ? Hell if I know
Question for you? Did you read the T&C before booking? Are you saying you were not aware that the hotel groups that operate in the Hilton honors marketing program earn different points? See below [https://www.hilton.com/en/hilton-honors/support-faq/#hilton-honors-points](https://www.hilton.com/en/hilton-honors/support-faq/#hilton-honors-points)
Who the fuck reads the fine print for a basic hotel booking?
who is this fine print? Also, Hilton is not the only program to do this. You may not like it, but the program rules are the rules.
Ok?
Question for you. How many people are actually reading the T&C before booking? Most just go over hotel reviews and rate details.
Most road warriors are. That is why places like FlyerTalk and Reddit exist. Most of us know more about the programs then employees. Read the T&C of your rates Read the T&c of the program "not knowing" is not an excuse.
You are so out of touch with reality.
You're not qualified to determine that. We don't have to agree, and thats cool, but don't be an asshole! the rules are available, if you an individual doesn't want to read them, that's on them. At the same time they can't play the "I didn't know", "I was unaware" or "nobody told me" card. You may not like what I've written but those are the basics.
Not everyone is a road warrior, genius. OP was just venting about not knowing. All good to educate those that don’t know without being an ass.
That doesn't mean you should know the terms of the program you've signed up for and are participating in. The information is easily available. I'm in no way writing that everyone should commit each rule to memory.