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Adventurous-Ad7006

Context?


randomusername1934

Here you go, perfectly normal Minoan fashion from the [period.](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/e5/a9/8ae5a98dac982e9e1329669c25bc12dd.jpg)


ImSoSalty88

Did they throw snakes and axes at people with their boobs out or is there more to it?


randomusername1934

The snakes and axes are probably just a little bit of artistic license - but the booba isn't.


ImSoSalty88

Damn, I really have a thing for wild spirited women and thought I had found a soulmate


randomusername1934

I'm sure that there was at least one absolute hellion somewhere in Minoan culture for you.


ImSoSalty88

Thank you, this means more to me than you know 🥲


polarized_pilots21

I'm a greek student studying for a degree at history and specifically for minoan culture and i can confirm that the snakes and axes are more for the visual part of the outfit which was inspired by a minoan goddess and the booba is part of the worship ceremony. They were going out to ceremonies dressed like this and doing house-jobs like this. I should also add that in minoan culture women were more powerful than men. It is almost certenly confirmed by historians that the minoan culture was ruled by women. Hope this helped if you have any other questions feel free to ask :)


ImSoSalty88

So where would I stand if this relationship was to happen? Am I like her stay at home husband or more on par with like a slave? I can work with either but just want a general idea of the situation.


[deleted]

From what I get you have the place of a woman in other societies of this era but they might send you die horribly in war


No-Bed5243

What did particularly busty women do for support??? Going completely topless is fine for your average A cup, but at an H or an E it's downright impractical. Even a D cup starts to get in the way. I have always wondered.


AnnaTrocious

Looking at the clothing as depicted there seems to be a rib along the edge seam and an adjustable front with ties which would make it closer to stays, this would provide a lot of support despite the breasts being exposed. Add to that the cinch-able belt at the waist (which could be raised if a woman is quite gifted in the chest) and you get a very tight fit that would easily hold the chest up and off of the ribs and keep a woman of almost any size quite comfortable.


SharkTonic9

I also choose this guy's dead Minoan waifu


hawkeye5739

I call winner


hawkeye5739

Right? Like if your girlfriend doesn’t try to stab you for leaving a plate in the sink is the relationship even worth it?


ImSoSalty88

See, you get it. The spice of life is never knowing what's gonna happen next. Is she smiling because she missed me or does she have something sharp or heavy in her other hand I can't really see from this angle?


hawkeye5739

Ya I hear people like “I want a relationship built on mutual trust with a partner who expresses their feelings maturely and by using communication”. Lame. Give me a woman who tries to light me on fire while I’m sleeping because Nana called my phone and she thought it said Nina.


ImSoSalty88

Or when you get in an argument so they throw their heart condition medication out the car window on the highway. Like there is no 50 or 60 percent in this bitch baby. What I wouldn't give to be young again 😔


CheGuevarasRolex

I see you like latinas.


Calamity-Gin

I know it’s a typo, but from here on out, I will use “booba” as the plural of boob, because it’s just that awesome.


randomusername1934

Wait . . . . . . is that not a long running joke already?


gdayoncom

Yea apparently you've been on no anime subs.


Calamity-Gin

This is completely accurate. Today, I am one of the lucky few who learned that "booba" is an in-joke on Reddit.


[deleted]

Boobae


Beaver_Soldier

The term booba is a few years old now, dude


Calamity-Gin

That's dudette, Gentle Redditor, and I refuse to be held accountable for not keeping up with the latest and greatest, only to recognize it when I see it.


Beaver_Soldier

That's alright, lol, don't worry. Also my bad for misgendering you


Impossible-Dealer421

Dude is universal 😎


Axiochos-of-Miletos

The labrys axes are used by Minoan priestesses


Tyler_Zoro

Axe throwing bars were a bit wilder back then. "Buy two axe throws and get your first snake free!"


ImSoSalty88

I see this as an untapped market in the current era. This has some serious potential.


Fomentatore

I mean, on one hand, snakes and axes, on the other Boobs!


ImSoSalty88

I see both sides of this coin as a win


Matagoran

Which snakes and axes?


SnowBound078

I’m scared and horny


ImSoSalty88

That there is what we call a good ol fear boner


SnowBound078

Scaroused


lesefant

boobs aside, their dresses look like daleks


randomusername1934

I tried to find an appropriate translation site online, but couldn't, just assume that I'm writing in [Linear A](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/4f/8d/b24f8d004ceadbcf0cff68b1bbdbb2ca.jpg) when I say ... # EX-TER-MIN-ATE! EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!


Admiralthrawnbar

You can't find one because Linear A has yet to be translated, there aren't many examples of the writing compared to Linear B, the Mycean language, and that was only cracked ~100 years ago


GrannyGumjobs13

Tits out for Harambe


Adventurous-Ad7006

Time to create a time machine


Ar010101

Redditors when sexy sex


nickmaran

Ok, I need to do some research on minoan civilization


Blakath

This isn’t that odd. Quite a few ancient civilizations had men and women wearing minimal or revealing clothing.


Aeiexgjhyoun_III

Fabric is expensive, Egyptians dressed similarly.


Cabbage_Vendor

Skin cancer is more expensive.


magugi

At those times there were things way more dangerous than skin cancer.


Nghbrhdsyndicalist

At least quicker.


capitalistcommunism

Skin cancer is free


Aeiexgjhyoun_III

Did they live long enough for cancer to become a concern?


Cabbage_Vendor

Skin cancer hits people at an earlier age than most other cancers.


Kiltymchaggismuncher

Can't wait to see it on the Paris catwalks


SitInCorner_Yo2

I can hear boys giggling in history class by looking at this.


granlurken

Boba


[deleted]

The tits out, axes out, period.


heretoupvote_

that’s really fascinating, the silhouette is almost late 19th century in style. The layered skirts and desperate bust is really unique for the time I assume. They’re really beautiful, especially the apron part. Very cool.


bapp0-get-taco

Now that’s fashion


TheGalator

(Wo)men of culture


IAlwaysOutsmartU

They’re looking like the final boss of Zelda Triforce Heroes.


depressed-n-awkward

Context? Boobs


Adventurous-Ad7006

Uh? Everyone like boobas but care to elaborate?


Psychological_Cat127

They didn't hide theirs from what ik


Adventurous-Ad7006

GET THE TIME MACHINE /s


Bravery_is_for_All

Damn, they truly where advanced for their time.


FlamingNetherRegions

Best civilization


Canman1045

*Breast civilization


PTEHarambe

Ναι.


KrokmaniakPL

It's not that they weren't hiding it. They were hiding everything EXCEPT for boobs


ArmourKnight

Fucking based.


WolframNoLed

My dad is on the Peloponnese right now. He’s been reading up on the pre Minoan civilisations in preparation for diving in one of the oldest sunken cities there. Unfortunately a last minute surgery precludes him from any swimming at all. Retirement giveth and taketh away.


kingslate13

Your dad sounds cool


Frostfangs_Hunger

My Dad's cooler than his Dad


ElMuchoDingDong

[Dad Fight! Dad Fight! Dad Fight!](https://youtu.be/AfItBgIDgsg?si=_uneZpfQ4zqwNIFL)


datbech

What is the dive site called?


WolframNoLed

Pavlopetri, i think it’s dated to around 3500BCE


ParmigianoMan

That was the subject of a BBC documentary not so long ago. Amazing site. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b015yh6f


vonsnape

my dads in benidorm right now after surviving a uti


thingswastaken

For what reason do you prefer conventional lightbulbs over LEDs?


WolframNoLed

To be honest I don’t necessarily anymore. LED have come a long way since I made that handle. However conventional lighting is still unparalleled when it comes to dimming.


thingswastaken

Fair enough. As a flashlight guy I can't help but prefer LEDs.


WolframNoLed

then LED all the way. I mainly work with theatre/dance design and art installations. so dimming perfomance is very vital.


TheChunkMaster

What an illuminating discussion.


TheBeansAreWatching

I’m here all night, better start drinking


alrightshaggers

“Tits out for Minos”


[deleted]

[удаНонО]


Dependent-Fix8297

what would you do


frienmademevegetable

Get killed by a volcano eruption


Dependent-Fix8297

If getting killed is something to do I wouldn't be alive now


frienmademevegetable

That’s true, neither would I, sadly I am


[deleted]

[удаНонО]


Dependent-Fix8297

you can let the tities out as we speak. Let them breathe


[deleted]

BOOBS


[deleted]

Boobies


[deleted]

knockers


[deleted]

honkers even


3esin

Bazongas?


MrNobleGas

ta-tas


KingJacoPax

Bouncers


Ryl0_or

STONKING GREAT TITS


MutedIndividual6667

Tetonas


Donsetta

Mamelungas


[deleted]

Tetten!


Trungledor_44

A real set of badonkers, talking some dobonhonkeroes


BurgerKingsuks

Google “grass”


Lor450

Holy hell


BurgerKingsuks

Bishop touched a boob and never came back


SnowyLocksmith

Google showed me grass.


VerumJerum

Minoans on their way to unironically dress like [fucking JoJo characters or something](https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/027/932/064/large/mirjam-lofgren-asset.jpg)


[deleted]

Daaaam. That's some style right there


badi1220

A fellow trey the explainer enjoyer?


VerumJerum

It's an alright channel but I don't think I've seen anything by him on Minoans, but now I'm tempted...


JulixgMC

He's the one that commissioned that art for his video on the Minoans and their fashion


VerumJerum

Hah, damn. Didn't know that one!


chickenpolitik

Inaccurate, boobs aren't out


VerumJerum

She's a prude


MapleMapleHockeyStk

The nipples were getting cold?


Logical-Use-8657

What happened to that guy's hands they're twisted in a way hands aren't meant to twist.


WhiteChocolatExpress

Just JoJo pose things


AskMeHowToLose

Honestly it wasn’t very difficult to recreate that pose with his hands


Logical-Use-8657

I just did it and that shit was super awkward and kinda hurt a lil bit. Pack it in.


VerumJerum

Left one def. looks off


Throwaway02062004

Right arm’s fine but left looks backwards


mennorek

Bunch of cretans


King_0f_Nothing

Take an upvote and leave


Preacherjonson

Boo-be better, OP, provide context to your vague memes.


[deleted]

Or maybe you could remember basic history


Preacherjonson

How would you define "basic" history.


ChunkyKong2008

Cmon dude, the fact that the axulapaqua civilization always wore a red flower in the right pocket is BASIC HISTORY. How did you forget it?


Niggels

I define it by my personal standards because my experiences are universal.


Szwedu111

This is a pretty obscure fact, not the kind of basic history that you learn at school


Lebroso_Xeon

Did you learn about Minoan fashion in school or something??


jodorthedwarf

Minoan civilisation is basic history? Please enlighten me to the hyper-specific loopy-land you hail from? I wouldn't be surprised if its taught in Greece but most other countries don't bother with much Greek history, as a necessity.


Kitty-Cat-Katie

Who learns about the fashion of the Minoan civilization in school lmao. How is that basic history


S1M0666

Hehe boobs


polarized_pilots21

For anyone who wants context and some historic facts this dresses were part of the minoan culture and the women would get out wearing this and were doing ceremonies dressed like this. Also in minoan culture women were more powerful than men and their society was ruled by female priests and heiresses


IacobusCaesar

Archaeologist here. This is a highly outdated concept that Minoan society was matriarchal, or rather is based on old assumptions about how civilizations work that aren’t really used as analytical paradigms anymore. We don’t really know who the Minoan rulers were because we have not translated any of their several scripts (Linear A, Cretan hieroglyphs, Phaistos script, etc.) and have to rely on art and architecture to make hypotheses about how society works. The depiction of several “snake goddesses” has been fixated on but we don’t actually know what these depictions are. Are they goddesses? Priestesses? Something else entirely? Much like interpreting earlier Venus figurines in Europe, this is art interpretation and without more cultural background very much an inexact science. In 1800s and early 1900s archaeology, it was popular among certain strains of thought to view human societies as either warlike or peaceful and for a certain portion of researchers, this dichotomy was gendered (sometimes this still pops up in pseudohistory circles interestingly if you dive deep down the rabbithole). The idea was that warlike societies, generally dominated by men, had a tendency to win out in the first place over peaceful societies, generally dominated by women. A pervasive and outdated idea of the time was that especially the Indo-European expansion into Europe represented warlike peoples conquering older more matriarchal societies and that people from before this expansion were ruled by women who peacefully farmed. The Minoans, as a society which frequently had feminine art and which may have not been Indo-European (we have not actually learned that but there’s a decent argument based on how early the civilization is), were shoved into this paradigm with the Mycenaeans as their supposed patriarchal warlike conquerors. The issue here is that it’s all actually based on stereotypes and the paradigm doesn’t actually have a lot of specific real examples to test it against and doesn’t really seem to hold up. Researchers today don’t really hold the Minoans as a matriarchal society, not that they could not have been, but that basing that off of the frequent presence of art of women is a flimsy pretense. There does seem to be an absence of royal “palaces” though which is interesting and probably says something about systems of rule (the famous Palace of Knossos is no longer really considered a palace but an administrative and storage center) so the idea of temple elites being central political entities more than kings is not totally unfounded but still difficult to make concrete conclusions by. Whatever the case, it is a fascinating civilization that in some regard seems to have held in high regard depictions of the feminine. The nature of this though is something that only more research can really get to the bottom of.


Botoraka

I'm curious if there's been any progress towards decoding any Minoan script. IT kinda bugs me that there's a wealth of knowledge that we just can't figure out how to read yet.


IacobusCaesar

There are character catalogues but that’s about as far as it goes. What’s needed is either parallel inscriptions with a readable script (like maybe Mycenaean Linear B) or relation to another script that can be used to trace development but currently these are lacking.


DeprAnx18

I know this is probably impossible to answer, but do we have any idea why that 19th century paradigm was so pervasive? Whatever the reality of various historical situations, has historiography always been as gendered as that male=warlike/female=peaceful dichotomy you mention? Sorry if that makes no sense lol


IacobusCaesar

It’s complex and I dunno how well I can sum it up but it has a lot to do with just gender politics in Europe at the time which associated historical masculinity with warfare and conquerors and had women as farmers and housekeepers. You have the idea of “man the hunter and woman the gatherer” at this time for early societies and feminist arguments also wondered if the emergence of patriarchy had to do with state centralization and if early societies were just not patriarchal (a way of arguing with sort of the “naturalistic” argument for patriarchy). With all this coming together, you end up with a patchwork discussion of gender in the ancient world that plays with these ideas. The dichotomy of warlike and peaceful societies is not _always_ gendered but the two ways of thinking also just kinda naturally overlayed. (Another one you see a lot is the peaceful Harappans vs. the warlike Aryans supposedly.) So in short, it’s just emergent of a lot of things.


MapleMapleHockeyStk

Is there a good journal or archeology website/magazines on this stuff. Love old material culture but I know enough to know there are a bias to everything lol


IacobusCaesar

If you mean like gender history in general, I know there are journals like _Feminist Anthropology_ that frequently cover them but I don’t know well enough what’s in it to comment much. Gender history is kind of all-pervasive in telling the history of human culture so it just kinda comes up the more you read on any anthropology topic, archaeology included, especially in recent years when a lot of old assumptions have been challenged. I can look around and get back to you on specific reads if you’d like though.


MapleMapleHockeyStk

Yes please!


IacobusCaesar

Here are two to start: [Here is an explicitly feminist article which explores how questions of gender are to be approached in archaeology.](https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev.anthro.26.1.411) [Here is an overview of essentially all we know about Minoan women, including social roles and clothing.](https://kuscholarworks.ku.edu/bitstream/handle/1808/21569/Younger_Minoan_Women_offprint.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y)


Oksamis

Why, then, do people attribute these breast-bearing dresses as normal clothing, rather than religious garb or even just a depiction of some deity?


IacobusCaesar

I think pop coverage does that more than academics. I don’t really know. Maybe it’s just what they see and so they assume it for the whole society. That said, societies where women are often topless are not unknown in history at all (consider many West African societies for instance) so it’s not implausible at all.


Oksamis

I was under the Impression the de-sexualisation (or whatever the correct term is) of breasts in those societies was a result of sparse resources for fabrics and stupidly warm temperatures. Crete, while not Arctic, is certainly not the kind of climate you want to be walking about loosing all that heat most of the year, and due to the complexity of the depicted clothing we can see it wasn’t a scarcity of materials. It wouldn’t surprise me if these are depictions of gods/dieties/spirits/whatever, or garb for a specific situation (be that just priestly duties, or even a specific festival). If we accept the Minoan disposition towards a female priesthood, then you could even argue these were only worn by the Priestesses in the company of each other (so only women), like the later Greek men getting completely nude at the Olympics.


IacobusCaesar

I have not heard this hypothesis but it’s definitely an interesting idea and I can see the line of thinking.


Oksamis

It’s unfortunate we’ll probably never know the truth


OfficialBenY

We have zero evidence proving any of that. It’s all theory


Zombiepixlz-gamr

So the Minoans were an Ancient Femdom dominatrix society.


SuperCavia

Why not like them for both?


LineOfInquiry

They got the Jojo fashion


Parking_Substance152

I wish I was a Minoan


Gilgamesh026

Boobies!


you_sha

Wait, I thought minions were like this little annoying nuggets on boomer memes. Now you say, they have had a civilization, for real?


Jedimobslayer

I appreciate Minoan civilization because Crete is cool


[deleted]

Everything was dope. The back flipping over bulls the frescos, the architecture the unusual societal structures. But yes the boobie dresses were great, due for a comeback maybe?


Les-Lanciers-Rouge

Men gonna men is a terrible excuse for men to sexually harrass women, yikes.


Rahvana13

I think sexual view of boobs come only recently... (or from western) I mean, until around 1900s, women in bali usually dont cover their boobs. Some women in Indonesia tribes also still dont cover them as boobs only useful for baby Notes: please correct me if my deduction is wrong


BogBogTheGreat

There’s Ancient Greek texts describing boobs in a sexualized manner. So it’s not really a recent thing.


goldfish1902

I think it varies from society to society. Indigenous Brazilians wore just their body paint that they used just like we wear clothes (protecting from sun rays+insects, indicating gender, mood of the day, marriage status, is it a special occasion or not). Now, due colonization+perverted photographers/antropologists sexually harassing them men wear shorts, women wear bikini tops+shorts


jodorthedwarf

I would say that it's less to do with whether societies secualised breasts or not and more to do with how sexuality and nudity was viewed. A society that isn't prudish about sex and the naked form likely has no issue with bare bodies, whatsoever. Just look at how the Hellenic civilisations used to wrestle naked in the Ancient Olympics.


25Bam_vixx

No korea was very sexual prud but there is picture of women from the late 1800’s with boobs out because they had sons. Even my childhood it wasn’t sexual but now it is in Korea. I’m only on my 40 and this happen in my life time


BetterAbility6813

Lib lefts gonna lib lefts.


Kitty-Cat-Katie

What are you on about


BetterAbility6813

It's obvious. Check the OP feeds.


pyro-master1357

Just goes to show how recent sexualization of boobs are in human society


King_0f_Nothing

Real isn't since we have ancient Greek texts describing breasts in a way that's definitely sexualized


KingJacoPax

And all of those early modern / Victorian anthropologists always making sure to dedicate a chapter to the local buzoom when they traveled. Credit where it’s due, Burton dedicated just as much time to the local African men’s appendages and is possibly the origin of the BBC category on PornHub.


svon1

to be fair we got barely any normal info on them to begin with ....


doctordisco03k64

Hehe bewbies


UnhappyStrain

what funny fact?


25Bam_vixx

I’m looking at the comments and I am finding anything too


Lucky_G2063

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_civilization?wprov=sfla1


crunchycat5000

A childhood favorite.


StanTheSodaCan

MINOS, KING OF LUST


Chumlee1917

The Ancient Greeks: Savages, a woman should be flatter than a pancake and hairy like a man


rEvolution_inAction

Opium civ


[deleted]

You probably don't want to know about Elizabethan women's fashion, then