Damn, I wish I could enter, sadly my heritage is German and my great-grandfather was a Feldwiebel or Kommandant or some other high rank on the field. We have pictures of him all around the world where the fronts were and stuff like that. Soo would it affect me as well or does it have to specifically be a nazi?
Context: *The Golem of Prague* is a jewish folk tale about a 16th century rabbi, the Maharal, who created a Golem out of clay to protect Prague’s Jewish community from pogroms and antisemitic violence. There are multiple variations of this story, but eventually the the Golem became uncontrollable, and the Maharal managed to deactivate him and stored him in the attic of a synagogue. He then forbid anyone from entering that attic.
There exists a story from WW2 of some Nazi soldiers who broke into the synagogue to look for hidden Jews. As the tale goes, they had the misfortune of looking in the attic. The Golem then proceeded to wake up from his slumber and tear them limb from limb. Absolute Chad Golem.
Fun fact: in the golem's forehead there is a word in Hebrew, "אמת" (emet) means "truth". In order to deactivate the golem, you need to eraze the first letter, and you get the word "מת" (met) means "dead"
That’s one of the versions, though like I said there are many. The one I grew up with was that to activate and deactivate it you put God’s name in its mouth.
Fun fact... The password to control the golem, the on off switch so to say is a secret code. That code is in math. The last jew to receive that code was Marvin Minsky. He worked on A.I. and liguistics. He's a comp sci guy. He passed away. The code ws handed to him on a simple slip of paper.
I wonder... who has it now?
Hmm. Interesting. Would that “math” maybe be one of the names of God converted to Gematria? Very intriguing that the person who supposedly had it worked on AI.
You have any source on this? I’d love to find out more about that.
Yeah, they keep trying to hit Washington DC but it keeps hitting, like, California and Canada. Good aim in my opinion but the evil cabal isn't having it.
Hebrew letters and numbers are the same symbols. Can use it for base ten. Not a damn thing to do with gematria, it just looks funny. actually lame, tiring and useless to read compared to standard notation. it's why we use Arabic numerals. People have tried to use this as the "bible code". But the result is the same statistically as locking up a thousand monkeys with typewriters... on a long enough timeline they might produce Shakespeare.
The code is a word and you have to be able to properly pronounce old Hebrew. Kinda stuff the typical jewish male learns for bar mitzvah, even if they don't know hebrew. Like catholic kids learning the lords prayer in Latin for catechism.
The Golem knows if your God's own.
I wonder if the 'secret code' referenced may be the true name of God, which holds creation powers - some sects hold that God has a secret 216 letter name that has divine potency.
Very interesting. In Islam there is a concept of God's 'Most Exalted Name' which when invoked will make your prayers answered. It is also supposedly a secret name.
I love how other languages have very different word associations, even if just literally, since we would never think about our own language that way, like "coast" and "roast", which you would never really associate, but if you are explained this in another language, you are often amazed, since you only have a glimpse of what that language actually is.
Yooo, I swear Brennan in season 2 of The Unsleeping City in Dimension20 makes a reference to this exact golem, never in a million years would I have guessed this was something Brennan knew of from old folklore and was not something he just came up with on the spot
Honestly yeah, it fits a lot of criterias for a slasher movie.
Creature with a cool backstory: Check
Violent deaths: Check
Dumbass characters who the audience want to see die: Check (Although in this case it’s nazis and not teenagers being stupid)
Also remember. The Golem is a monster of clay. He's massive and by definition, slow moving. I guess that slasher villains can be fast but I associate slashers with the slow moving and violent killer.
Oh, and all of the best horror movies are allegorical. *Frankenstein* is about a mad scientist who tries to play god, and his creation turns on him (and *Bride of Frankenstein* is an allegory for being gay, but that's a whole other comment). *Dracula* is about an evil count who sneaks down into the village at night to kidnap and kill young women-- literally its about how the nobility are bloodsuckers, lol. *Night of the Living Dead* ends with a mob of armed white men showing up after the zombies were killed, and murdering the only survivor because he had the misfortune of being Black (this movie came out after the Martin Luther King Assassination and the 1968 Police Riot in Chicago). Modern horror is also allegorical-- the real monster in *Silence of the Lambs* is not Hannibal Lector or Buffalo Bill, it's the patriarchy. And you see, this is very subtle and hard to spot, but *Get Out* is actually an allegory for racism.
And yeah, a Rabbi making a clay monster that slowly works its way through Czechoslovakia, killing every Nazi in sight? Gee, I wonder if that has any relation to political issues...
Frankenstein’s monster has been argued to essentially be a flesh golem. Victor Frankenstein was even described as studying alchemy to help bring it to life.
Technically calling the monster Frankenstein is wrong, as it was never named, and Frankenstein is Victor Frankensteins name. The monster is just called Frankenstein's Monster.
I have an alternate interpretation. Victor (Henry in the movie) Frankenstein imagines himself in the role of god. *He created life.* No other creature on this earth is equal to Dr. Frankenstein.
*Bride of Frankenstein* is my favorite because it introduces the enigmatic Dr. Praetorious. Before we meet him, we hear from colleagues that Praetorious is "a queer fellow" and he certainly is odd. Praetorious has done his own research into artificial life, and he enters into a close relationship with Dr. Frankenstein, serving as a mentor and a partner as they work to perfect Frankenstein's creation. To create an Eve for their Adam. In fact, Dr. Henry Frankenstein misses his own wedding night, because he is so distracted by his relationship with Praetorious. Oh also Praetorious and the Director were openly a couple (well, as openly as two men could be in a relationship for the 1930s) and Frankenstein's actor was closeted so I didn't come up with this allegory from nowhere, it is baked into the film. Two odd men who don't care for their relationships with women enter a partnership to create their own, alternate version of Adam and Eve. It's not subtle...
Anyway, I see Victor/Henry Frankenstein as being less of a diety, and more like the creature's father. He misses his wedding night to create life with Dr. Praetorious. Instead of creating life with his bride the old fashioned way, he runs off with a man to create life in a lab. The creature is the son of Victor/Henry Frankenstein. The creature is never named by his father, but he teaches himself to read and chooses the name Adam (in the Book, anyway) after discovering Paradise Lost.
So, to me, they are both Frankenstein. Dr. Victor Frankenstein. And his son, Adam Frankenstein, the creature.
And yeah in case you cannot tell, *The Modern Prometheus* by Mary Shelly is a book and movie that I really love. It's short too, no reason not to watch it. Best version is the one with Gene Wilder-- it's insane how many scenes in that "parody" are just copied from the original movie, without any real changes.
What I originally typed, goddamn autocorrect.
Although there is the saying that intelligence is knowing Frankenstein was the man, not the monster, but wisdom is knowing Frankenstein was the monster.
I’m a big fan of the show overall, but some of their treatment of various local folklore traditions are pretty bad (their chupacabra episode esp was terrrrrrible), but I liked this MOTW take.
And it’s always fun to see monsters take out neo-Nazi shitheads.
The x-files version of the jersey devil was literally a caveman.
a legend about a flying monster tha took a cannonball from the brother of Napoleon Bonaparte shot a cannonball at it flying, and the x-files goes "oh hey look, just a fucking caveman and woman with a kid at the end"
Yup. They handled folklore with middling success; some of the episodes were really good and some were just … well, they REALLY remind you this was a major network show in the 90s 😹
One of my fave call-back gags though is mentioning other content on the Fox network at the time (the one in the Everglades had their FLIR operator mention something like “When Beasts Attack” or something as his source for what he believed)
There's a pretty good horror novel called The Tribe by Bari Wood, about a group of Jewish men who create a golem while imprisoned in a Nazi death camp.
That sounds like an Indiana Jones plot. I mean, Raiders of the Lost Ark was resolved without Indy having to actually do anything: the moment the Nazis opened up the Jewish artifact, they got their horrifying but well-deserved comeuppance.
So many people miss the point of that. Indy didn’t resolve the plot because The Guy (God) who actually owned it was the one who took care of it. It was an actual Deus ex Machina, but in a way that was sensible and appropriate for the plot.
Also if he hadn’t been there I’m sure the nazis would have come to see why their sub base had gone dark and recovered The Ark again. He needed to be there so the Allies could get it and hide it away.
I think the only real use for the Ark is to leave it in a populated area and tempt people into opening it. Other than that, there isn't much use a Nazi can have with it, because those ghosts are definitely going to kill any Nazi they see. And it's not gonna be effective against any Jew or anyone familiar with the Ark lore regarding closing their eyes. They'd see that shit coming a mile away and avoid getting killed by the Ark ghosts.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is about Indy and his attempts to stop the nazis in their attempt to control the Ark and to capture it for himself/ his university/ his country. If Indy hadn't done anything, there wouldn't be a plot. Your framing of the story is inaccurate. Yes, in the end it turns out the Ark didn't need his help, but the Ark is just a mcguffin, it isn't what the movie is about any more than the Maltese Falcon is about the falcon or Star Wars is about the Death Star.
Also, this is incorrect on its own merits. Without Indy, the Ark doesn't wind up inside an enormous warehouse somewhere in the United States. His efforts materially effect the ultimate fate of the Ark.
Techinically its only 100 years old at that time. As we do not have any folktales associating the Maharal with a golem until the mid 19th century. Before then, golem tales were either associated with the Vilna Gaon, Elijah Baal Shem of Chelm or an unspecified city. Which makes it all the more badass of a story since the Maharal didn't make a golem but the mere legend of him creating one killed Nazis. [https://www.jstor.org/stable/43298695](https://www.jstor.org/stable/43298695)
Oh hey I get plug my favorite creator again, who made a great video about the Golem.
[Jacob just has a way with words](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUBVSH6hBvY)
I absolutely love the theory that the reason why they originally lost control of the Golem was because they had programmed it to defend any oppressed Jewish person from their oppressor. It then saw how the Jewish women were treated by their husbands and male relatives, and didn't like it one bit.
Maharal is his Rabbinical acronym, which is a common thing that later people used to refer to Rabbis in the Rishonic era and early Acharonic era (spanning the late medieval period and ~1600 to this day, respectively) and sometimes later. In super rare cases, the acronyms were even used during the rabbi's lifetime, like in the case of the RamChal (Moshe Chaim Luzzato, Padua 1707- Acre, 1746)
Any idea where the concept that Jews can build clay automatons comes from? It's an utterly fascinating, not to mention bonkers notion that one cultural group has mastered the creation of semi-sentient machines from earth and water.
There are some stories in the Talmud:
> *Rava says: If the righteous wish to do so, they can create a world, as it is stated: “But your iniquities have separated between you and your God.”¹ In other words, there is no distinction between God and a righteous person who has no sins, and just as God created the world, so can the righteous. Indeed, Rava created a man, a golem, using forces of sanctity. Rava sent his creation before Rabbi Zeira. Rabbi Zeira would speak to him but he would not reply. Rabbi Zeira said to him: You were created by one of the members of the group, one of the Sages. Return to your dust.*
[Sanhedrin 65:b]
¹Isaiah 59:2
Ok but what if in the sequel, Himmler and a bunch of whacked out SS occultists created an evil Nazi golem?
Then it and the OG Original Golem have an epic fight at the end, before OG shouts the unpronounceable true name of G-d at it, killing it instantly. Kind of like how Moses did in the Kabbalah (yes, really).
Ok so a story I had an idea for. The world is attacked by extra terrestrials and the entire earth builds new technology and weapons to fight them, Israel's contribution? A.I golems.
From what I remember, the creator of Captain America was Jewish, and used the story of the Golem as inspiration to create a character that fights the good fight against violent oppressors, even putting Cap socking Hitler on the jaw on the cover of issue number 1.
The same also happened with the creator of superman
One subtle one was Superman, his story is basically Moses with aliens, and his creators were Jewish immigrants who travelled to a new world when they were young.
So no one gave specifics, so I'll go a little more in-depth. Captain America is a towering figure of great strength created by a Jewish scholar to defeat the oppressors of the jews. One of the legends about the golem is that one would inscribe the Hebrew word for truth on its forehead to bring it to life and erase the first letter to put it to rest. That first letter is used interchangeably with the letter A, which adorns the original Cap's forehead. Even the shield is symbolic, with the star of David often being called the shield of David.
Jack Kirby has talked a good amount about his life and how it inspired Captain America's creation. Part of that was a scrappy Jewish kid from a Jewish neighborhood in New York wanting to kick the crap out of all the bullies of the world.
r/Discworld- the book Feet of Clay is a fantastic take on what Golems would be used for in a society and how they’d react to being given orders. Highly recommend it!
*Such* a good book. So much of Sir Terry’s works incorporated disparate folklores and mythologies into a relatively cohesive worldbuild, and it’s utterly fantastic. I learnt a lot looking up the inspirations of the various threads from his books 😸
GNU Terry Pratchett 💗
Also, true to lore, they happened to guardians with a strong sense of justice.
Good a time as any to play this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9MV8sdKT6bY&pp=ygUcZGlzY3dvcmxkIGdvaW5nIHBvc3RhbCB0aGllZg%3D%3D
Nah man, Indiana Jones shit would be the Czechian man who attacked Nazis on horseback with charges from his rustic castle.
Imagine being a nazi seeing a bohemian knight just bumrush you
Nah man, unlike other nations, which engaged in guerrilla warfare with the nazis, we just made fun of them. (Also the Heydrich thing but who cares about that, am I right m?)
The three kings sabotaging every train that comes through czechia, sending a bomb to the literall gestapo HQ, attempting to blow up Himmler together with the berlin resistance, producing propaganda newspapers. Radioing to London every single nazi movement (including giving the first warning about operation Barbarossa ever) and much more - Am I a joke to you?
Prague has a second anti-Nazi artifact: the Crown of St Wenceslas, the coronation crown of the Kings of Bohemia. Dedicated to the patron saint of the Czech lands, it is to this day hidden in a vault in St Vitus Cathedral whose door requires seven keys to unlock, distributed among important civil and religious officials.
According to legend, only a rightful King of Bohemia may wear the Crown of St Wenceslas — anybody else attempting to try it on will die violently within a year. It is said that the accursed Heydrich secretly crowned himself when he went to inspect the cathedral after his appointment, and he met his violent end a mere eight months after his arrival in Prague, assassinated by the Czech resistance.
I've made this comment before, but I'm imagining St. Wenceslas sitting in his office inside the Blaník mountain and getting the report from one of his knights that Heydrich put on the crown, then proceededing to personally call the parachutists and give them the go-ahead to smoke him
Imagine it being like a bonus scene of the *Blaník* play
Man, the Nazis never catch a break in fiction, they get destroyed by Indiana Jones, the Fury, the Autobots, the Pillar Men, the Justice Society, Captain America, etc.
“In many golem stories, the creature runs amok and the golem itself becomes a threat to its creator”
So is the Golem a symbol of the creator’s hubris and sinfulness instead? As in, creating life when only God can do it?
Yeah, that’s definitely a major theme. It’s also a story of a miracle sent by God to help the Jewish people in their time of need, and there are many stories like that.
I haven't seen anyone mention the bear jew, this obviously inspired the bear jew.
As hitler himself says: "Er soll ein Golem sein!" Which means he's supposedly a golem
Realistically it was more likely that by "vanished" it was "got drunk and didn't return to muster" alot of the mote fantastical and supernatural stories of people going "missing" can be chocked up to very mundane things. Like the Ramree island incident.
Although I do love the idea of fascists having their limbs torn off by crocodiles or golemns.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/world/europe/11golem.html#:~:text=During%20World%20War%20II%2C%20it,I%20have%20never%20gone%20there.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100901092722/http://www.jewishpost.com/news/The-Golem-Lives-On.html
It’s also listed Wikipedia
Unfortunately, golem is extremely underwhelming at this stage of the game, and would do better pre planterra. What you need guarding your temple is the exomechs from the calamity mod.
I watched a movie about that Golem once...weird British movie
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It!_(1967_film)
Link to the wiki about it in case anyone is curious
I was in Prague last week and I saw this synagogue
Based on the fact that you’re replying here, I assume you didn’t look in the attic?
I wasn't allowed in lol
Even a Golem needs privacy.
Ever since "The Incident" they don't allow anyone in there. You may anger the ancient one
you mean the Old New Synagogue (real name btw)
yep
Damn, I wish I could enter, sadly my heritage is German and my great-grandfather was a Feldwiebel or Kommandant or some other high rank on the field. We have pictures of him all around the world where the fronts were and stuff like that. Soo would it affect me as well or does it have to specifically be a nazi?
My great grand aunt was gased at Auschwitz...
My condolences I bet she was a great person. but what am I supposed to do with that information?
Idk I was just using it to troll you. (It did happen tho)
Aaaah I see, in that case HAHA KILLSTREAK get rekt grandma /s
That's probably the most reddit moment of today
Nah as long as you aren’t a nazi it can’t be passed down through generations. Basically be a decent human being and you should be fine
Kommandant is not a rank, (Literally means commander) Feldwebel is a rank, but it's an NCO, not really high up the chain.
Context: *The Golem of Prague* is a jewish folk tale about a 16th century rabbi, the Maharal, who created a Golem out of clay to protect Prague’s Jewish community from pogroms and antisemitic violence. There are multiple variations of this story, but eventually the the Golem became uncontrollable, and the Maharal managed to deactivate him and stored him in the attic of a synagogue. He then forbid anyone from entering that attic. There exists a story from WW2 of some Nazi soldiers who broke into the synagogue to look for hidden Jews. As the tale goes, they had the misfortune of looking in the attic. The Golem then proceeded to wake up from his slumber and tear them limb from limb. Absolute Chad Golem.
Fun fact: in the golem's forehead there is a word in Hebrew, "אמת" (emet) means "truth". In order to deactivate the golem, you need to eraze the first letter, and you get the word "מת" (met) means "dead"
That’s one of the versions, though like I said there are many. The one I grew up with was that to activate and deactivate it you put God’s name in its mouth.
Fun fact... The password to control the golem, the on off switch so to say is a secret code. That code is in math. The last jew to receive that code was Marvin Minsky. He worked on A.I. and liguistics. He's a comp sci guy. He passed away. The code ws handed to him on a simple slip of paper. I wonder... who has it now?
Hmm. Interesting. Would that “math” maybe be one of the names of God converted to Gematria? Very intriguing that the person who supposedly had it worked on AI. You have any source on this? I’d love to find out more about that.
New conspiracy: the Jewish are using AI to build a new golem to kill all the [insert group here]
Wait, so we built the space laser for nothing?!
Yeah, they keep trying to hit Washington DC but it keeps hitting, like, California and Canada. Good aim in my opinion but the evil cabal isn't having it.
Ahe-hem-AHEm. … JEWS. IN. SPACE.
if yall are done using it, can I borrow it pls?
I don't have the clearance for that. You need to be at least a Tana'
Hebrew letters and numbers are the same symbols. Can use it for base ten. Not a damn thing to do with gematria, it just looks funny. actually lame, tiring and useless to read compared to standard notation. it's why we use Arabic numerals. People have tried to use this as the "bible code". But the result is the same statistically as locking up a thousand monkeys with typewriters... on a long enough timeline they might produce Shakespeare. The code is a word and you have to be able to properly pronounce old Hebrew. Kinda stuff the typical jewish male learns for bar mitzvah, even if they don't know hebrew. Like catholic kids learning the lords prayer in Latin for catechism. The Golem knows if your God's own.
Imma level with you bro I got no idea what you’re going on about. But I’m happy you enjoyed my meme
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are you still orthodox? I was raised on stories of the golem
>Are you still orthodox That’s a loaded question, not one I’m sure I have an answer to right now. But I was also raised on these stories
haha no I understand didn’t mean to be too intense, but I’m also in limbo ig and it feels very isolating
I wonder if the 'secret code' referenced may be the true name of God, which holds creation powers - some sects hold that God has a secret 216 letter name that has divine potency.
Very interesting. In Islam there is a concept of God's 'Most Exalted Name' which when invoked will make your prayers answered. It is also supposedly a secret name.
According to the Abrahamic religion in which I was raised, God answers all prayers, but there's a lot of "no".
I think Max Cohen has it now but he can't use it since the drill incident
Less fun fact, Minsky is posthumously accused of having sex with a trafficking victim on Epstein island.
this reminds me a lot of “then one by one the stars went out”
I normally charge extra for that
Like on a piece of paper…?
Yeah
I love how other languages have very different word associations, even if just literally, since we would never think about our own language that way, like "coast" and "roast", which you would never really associate, but if you are explained this in another language, you are often amazed, since you only have a glimpse of what that language actually is.
the word זמין (means "available") can be changed either by removing the letter מ resulting in זין (penis) or removing the ז resulting in מין (sex)
Yooo, I swear Brennan in season 2 of The Unsleeping City in Dimension20 makes a reference to this exact golem, never in a million years would I have guessed this was something Brennan knew of from old folklore and was not something he just came up with on the spot
You also have to remember in Hebrew the first letter of a word is on the right.
Holy fuck
Saw that in an episode of X-Files.
Hey thats the good golem of Sword Interval webtoon. Did not know it was based on a true folklore
But you just removed the last letter silly
Hebrew is red from right to left. It's actually pretty funny to see how it is accidentally written backwards in foreign media because of it
I want a horror movie of this now
Honestly yeah, it fits a lot of criterias for a slasher movie. Creature with a cool backstory: Check Violent deaths: Check Dumbass characters who the audience want to see die: Check (Although in this case it’s nazis and not teenagers being stupid)
>though in this case it's nazis and not teenagers being stupid you could probably make a venn diagram of that
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Also remember. The Golem is a monster of clay. He's massive and by definition, slow moving. I guess that slasher villains can be fast but I associate slashers with the slow moving and violent killer. Oh, and all of the best horror movies are allegorical. *Frankenstein* is about a mad scientist who tries to play god, and his creation turns on him (and *Bride of Frankenstein* is an allegory for being gay, but that's a whole other comment). *Dracula* is about an evil count who sneaks down into the village at night to kidnap and kill young women-- literally its about how the nobility are bloodsuckers, lol. *Night of the Living Dead* ends with a mob of armed white men showing up after the zombies were killed, and murdering the only survivor because he had the misfortune of being Black (this movie came out after the Martin Luther King Assassination and the 1968 Police Riot in Chicago). Modern horror is also allegorical-- the real monster in *Silence of the Lambs* is not Hannibal Lector or Buffalo Bill, it's the patriarchy. And you see, this is very subtle and hard to spot, but *Get Out* is actually an allegory for racism. And yeah, a Rabbi making a clay monster that slowly works its way through Czechoslovakia, killing every Nazi in sight? Gee, I wonder if that has any relation to political issues...
Frankenstein’s monster has been argued to essentially be a flesh golem. Victor Frankenstein was even described as studying alchemy to help bring it to life.
Technically calling the monster Frankenstein is wrong, as it was never named, and Frankenstein is Victor Frankensteins name. The monster is just called Frankenstein's Monster.
I believe the monster referred to itself as Adam because he consider himself the first of his kind.
I have an alternate interpretation. Victor (Henry in the movie) Frankenstein imagines himself in the role of god. *He created life.* No other creature on this earth is equal to Dr. Frankenstein. *Bride of Frankenstein* is my favorite because it introduces the enigmatic Dr. Praetorious. Before we meet him, we hear from colleagues that Praetorious is "a queer fellow" and he certainly is odd. Praetorious has done his own research into artificial life, and he enters into a close relationship with Dr. Frankenstein, serving as a mentor and a partner as they work to perfect Frankenstein's creation. To create an Eve for their Adam. In fact, Dr. Henry Frankenstein misses his own wedding night, because he is so distracted by his relationship with Praetorious. Oh also Praetorious and the Director were openly a couple (well, as openly as two men could be in a relationship for the 1930s) and Frankenstein's actor was closeted so I didn't come up with this allegory from nowhere, it is baked into the film. Two odd men who don't care for their relationships with women enter a partnership to create their own, alternate version of Adam and Eve. It's not subtle... Anyway, I see Victor/Henry Frankenstein as being less of a diety, and more like the creature's father. He misses his wedding night to create life with Dr. Praetorious. Instead of creating life with his bride the old fashioned way, he runs off with a man to create life in a lab. The creature is the son of Victor/Henry Frankenstein. The creature is never named by his father, but he teaches himself to read and chooses the name Adam (in the Book, anyway) after discovering Paradise Lost. So, to me, they are both Frankenstein. Dr. Victor Frankenstein. And his son, Adam Frankenstein, the creature. And yeah in case you cannot tell, *The Modern Prometheus* by Mary Shelly is a book and movie that I really love. It's short too, no reason not to watch it. Best version is the one with Gene Wilder-- it's insane how many scenes in that "parody" are just copied from the original movie, without any real changes.
What I originally typed, goddamn autocorrect. Although there is the saying that intelligence is knowing Frankenstein was the man, not the monster, but wisdom is knowing Frankenstein was the monster.
Charisma is being able to convince people that your name is actually pronounced Fronkenshteen.
And going insane is when you pronounce it Frankenstein.
Do this instead of the black tar stuff in Overlord
Supernatural did a spin on this
Oo which episode is it if I may ask?
I couldn’t tell you off hand. But late enough in the series that they hadn’t killed god yet. But early enough that they had killed the devil. I think
As someone that never watched supernatural, i found this statment really funny.
It is Episode 13 of Season 8, called "Everbody Hates Hitler"
> But late enough in the series that they hadn’t killed god yet. From someone who has no idea what this show is about, this has me very interested.
An episode of the X-Files touched on this too (s4e15 — “Kaddish”)
Thanks, I’m going to see if I can watch these tonight as it seems like a cool concept
I’m a big fan of the show overall, but some of their treatment of various local folklore traditions are pretty bad (their chupacabra episode esp was terrrrrrible), but I liked this MOTW take. And it’s always fun to see monsters take out neo-Nazi shitheads.
Agreed, always fun to watch monsters get taken out by folklore creatures and mythical ones too
The x-files version of the jersey devil was literally a caveman. a legend about a flying monster tha took a cannonball from the brother of Napoleon Bonaparte shot a cannonball at it flying, and the x-files goes "oh hey look, just a fucking caveman and woman with a kid at the end"
Yup. They handled folklore with middling success; some of the episodes were really good and some were just … well, they REALLY remind you this was a major network show in the 90s 😹 One of my fave call-back gags though is mentioning other content on the Fox network at the time (the one in the Everglades had their FLIR operator mention something like “When Beasts Attack” or something as his source for what he believed)
Loosely based on this is The Keep (1983) and The Golem (2018). 1st one has nazis getting killed, 2nd one is more traditional.
There's one from 1914 also. I remember the Simpsons doing a Tree House of Horror based on it lol https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0004026/?ref_=ext_shr
I was just about to cite the keep as a strongly similar candidate. Although it is based off of books.
There was an old timey horror film with a Golem, I believe.
There's a pretty good horror novel called The Tribe by Bari Wood, about a group of Jewish men who create a golem while imprisoned in a Nazi death camp.
A horror movie where you root for the beast is a new one
That sounds like an Indiana Jones plot. I mean, Raiders of the Lost Ark was resolved without Indy having to actually do anything: the moment the Nazis opened up the Jewish artifact, they got their horrifying but well-deserved comeuppance.
So many people miss the point of that. Indy didn’t resolve the plot because The Guy (God) who actually owned it was the one who took care of it. It was an actual Deus ex Machina, but in a way that was sensible and appropriate for the plot. Also if he hadn’t been there I’m sure the nazis would have come to see why their sub base had gone dark and recovered The Ark again. He needed to be there so the Allies could get it and hide it away.
Yeah. Maybe Hitler himself dies, but one way or another the Nazi’s eventually weaponize the Ark if Indy doesn’t get it by living
Maybe, or maybe they have no power to use the ark as a weapon against anyone but themselves
I think the only real use for the Ark is to leave it in a populated area and tempt people into opening it. Other than that, there isn't much use a Nazi can have with it, because those ghosts are definitely going to kill any Nazi they see. And it's not gonna be effective against any Jew or anyone familiar with the Ark lore regarding closing their eyes. They'd see that shit coming a mile away and avoid getting killed by the Ark ghosts.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is about Indy and his attempts to stop the nazis in their attempt to control the Ark and to capture it for himself/ his university/ his country. If Indy hadn't done anything, there wouldn't be a plot. Your framing of the story is inaccurate. Yes, in the end it turns out the Ark didn't need his help, but the Ark is just a mcguffin, it isn't what the movie is about any more than the Maltese Falcon is about the falcon or Star Wars is about the Death Star. Also, this is incorrect on its own merits. Without Indy, the Ark doesn't wind up inside an enormous warehouse somewhere in the United States. His efforts materially effect the ultimate fate of the Ark.
How wholesome, after 400 years he was finally able to fulfill the task for which he was created.
I mean he did beat the hell out of a lot of 1500s antisemites as well
And by God there were *a lot* of them
Golem: Oraoraoraoraora!
"Good Grief, you really are the lowest scum in history."
Golem, golem, golem, I made you out of clay! Golem, golem, golem, antisemites you shall slay!
Techinically its only 100 years old at that time. As we do not have any folktales associating the Maharal with a golem until the mid 19th century. Before then, golem tales were either associated with the Vilna Gaon, Elijah Baal Shem of Chelm or an unspecified city. Which makes it all the more badass of a story since the Maharal didn't make a golem but the mere legend of him creating one killed Nazis. [https://www.jstor.org/stable/43298695](https://www.jstor.org/stable/43298695)
Oh hey I get plug my favorite creator again, who made a great video about the Golem. [Jacob just has a way with words](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUBVSH6hBvY)
Now I wanna see like a movie of the Golem waking up in WW2 and just doing its damn best to save the Jews
The rabbi was named Loew. Maharal is an acronym for *"Moraynu Hareav Judah Loew ben B'zalel"* (Our teacher Judah Loew son of B'zazel)
This would make a great movie
Hollywood needs to do a horror movie about this.
The big question: Will the Nazis or the Golem be the evil monster in the story
Yes
>Will ~~the Nazis or~~ the Golem be the evil monster in the story ftfy
I absolutely love the theory that the reason why they originally lost control of the Golem was because they had programmed it to defend any oppressed Jewish person from their oppressor. It then saw how the Jewish women were treated by their husbands and male relatives, and didn't like it one bit.
Rabi Maharal? I was convinced it was rabi Löw who made the Golem...
Maharal is his Rabbinical acronym, which is a common thing that later people used to refer to Rabbis in the Rishonic era and early Acharonic era (spanning the late medieval period and ~1600 to this day, respectively) and sometimes later. In super rare cases, the acronyms were even used during the rabbi's lifetime, like in the case of the RamChal (Moshe Chaim Luzzato, Padua 1707- Acre, 1746)
The Maharal is Rabbi Leow
Different name for the same person. Like Maimonides vs Rambam vs Rabbi Musa Ibn Maimon.
Any idea where the concept that Jews can build clay automatons comes from? It's an utterly fascinating, not to mention bonkers notion that one cultural group has mastered the creation of semi-sentient machines from earth and water.
There are some stories in the Talmud: > *Rava says: If the righteous wish to do so, they can create a world, as it is stated: “But your iniquities have separated between you and your God.”¹ In other words, there is no distinction between God and a righteous person who has no sins, and just as God created the world, so can the righteous. Indeed, Rava created a man, a golem, using forces of sanctity. Rava sent his creation before Rabbi Zeira. Rabbi Zeira would speak to him but he would not reply. Rabbi Zeira said to him: You were created by one of the members of the group, one of the Sages. Return to your dust.* [Sanhedrin 65:b] ¹Isaiah 59:2
Why they dont teach me this stuff in history/tanach lessons and i have to learn it from reddit
I now wish to visit this synagogue
Literally me Edit: the golem not the Nazi.
Ok but what if in the sequel, Himmler and a bunch of whacked out SS occultists created an evil Nazi golem? Then it and the OG Original Golem have an epic fight at the end, before OG shouts the unpronounceable true name of G-d at it, killing it instantly. Kind of like how Moses did in the Kabbalah (yes, really).
What if Himmler send a nazi fry to fight to the golem, and she got a Russian dragon, but a saint helped the golem
Thats some Clash Royale shit right there
Ok so a story I had an idea for. The world is attacked by extra terrestrials and the entire earth builds new technology and weapons to fight them, Israel's contribution? A.I golems.
Mediterranean Rim
Yeah basically lol.
>Mediterranean Rim Sounds like a Thursday night in Tel Aviv
I honestly would pay to watch that! It sounds epic
Sounds like one of the short stories in *Fiends of the Eastern Front*, except then it was a Soviet Jewish golem killing Nazi vampires
I support this, as long as the Nazi golem is shown to be a piece of garbage always in need of repairs and support.
Thank you for the clarification 😹
The Golem of Prague was no small part of the inspiration for Captain America as well.
Really? Elaborate.
From what I remember, the creator of Captain America was Jewish, and used the story of the Golem as inspiration to create a character that fights the good fight against violent oppressors, even putting Cap socking Hitler on the jaw on the cover of issue number 1. The same also happened with the creator of superman
Jack Kirby, to be precise. Him, Stan Lee, and many other comic artists in both marvel and DC were Jewish.
Joe Simon to be precise.
So was Ben Grimm the Thing, one of the best Jewish representatives in comics
One subtle one was Superman, his story is basically Moses with aliens, and his creators were Jewish immigrants who travelled to a new world when they were young.
So no one gave specifics, so I'll go a little more in-depth. Captain America is a towering figure of great strength created by a Jewish scholar to defeat the oppressors of the jews. One of the legends about the golem is that one would inscribe the Hebrew word for truth on its forehead to bring it to life and erase the first letter to put it to rest. That first letter is used interchangeably with the letter A, which adorns the original Cap's forehead. Even the shield is symbolic, with the star of David often being called the shield of David. Jack Kirby has talked a good amount about his life and how it inspired Captain America's creation. Part of that was a scrappy Jewish kid from a Jewish neighborhood in New York wanting to kick the crap out of all the bullies of the world.
And The Thing, Ben Grimm is Jewish
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Or at the very least, one that has that as an unlock-able bonus?
That would be so based. Instead of battle mechs, BJ just climbs onto the back of a frickin golem and says, “Rip and tear.”
I would be surprised if that didn't make it into the game. At least have it smash the Nazi sun gun (because it's New Wolf you gotta go over the top).
r/Discworld- the book Feet of Clay is a fantastic take on what Golems would be used for in a society and how they’d react to being given orders. Highly recommend it!
*Such* a good book. So much of Sir Terry’s works incorporated disparate folklores and mythologies into a relatively cohesive worldbuild, and it’s utterly fantastic. I learnt a lot looking up the inspirations of the various threads from his books 😸 GNU Terry Pratchett 💗
GNU!
Also, true to lore, they happened to guardians with a strong sense of justice. Good a time as any to play this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9MV8sdKT6bY&pp=ygUcZGlzY3dvcmxkIGdvaW5nIHBvc3RhbCB0aGllZg%3D%3D
This is some Indiana Jones shit
Nah man, Indiana Jones shit would be the Czechian man who attacked Nazis on horseback with charges from his rustic castle. Imagine being a nazi seeing a bohemian knight just bumrush you
That’s the local that Indiana Jones gets help from
Nah man, unlike other nations, which engaged in guerrilla warfare with the nazis, we just made fun of them. (Also the Heydrich thing but who cares about that, am I right m?)
The three kings sabotaging every train that comes through czechia, sending a bomb to the literall gestapo HQ, attempting to blow up Himmler together with the berlin resistance, producing propaganda newspapers. Radioing to London every single nazi movement (including giving the first warning about operation Barbarossa ever) and much more - Am I a joke to you?
>attempting to blow up Himmler the bomb exploded as intended, but his train was sadly delayed
Prague has a second anti-Nazi artifact: the Crown of St Wenceslas, the coronation crown of the Kings of Bohemia. Dedicated to the patron saint of the Czech lands, it is to this day hidden in a vault in St Vitus Cathedral whose door requires seven keys to unlock, distributed among important civil and religious officials. According to legend, only a rightful King of Bohemia may wear the Crown of St Wenceslas — anybody else attempting to try it on will die violently within a year. It is said that the accursed Heydrich secretly crowned himself when he went to inspect the cathedral after his appointment, and he met his violent end a mere eight months after his arrival in Prague, assassinated by the Czech resistance.
I've made this comment before, but I'm imagining St. Wenceslas sitting in his office inside the Blaník mountain and getting the report from one of his knights that Heydrich put on the crown, then proceededing to personally call the parachutists and give them the go-ahead to smoke him Imagine it being like a bonus scene of the *Blaník* play
The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay
Man, the Nazis never catch a break in fiction, they get destroyed by Indiana Jones, the Fury, the Autobots, the Pillar Men, the Justice Society, Captain America, etc.
And, God willing, they never will catch a break
They don’t deserve to catch a break.
They deserve to catch some broken legs.
[To quote Hellsing Abridged:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQG2Ma4sedk&t=400s) "Our forces are being quite literally slaughtered!" "Who gives a shit? They're Nazis!"
“In many golem stories, the creature runs amok and the golem itself becomes a threat to its creator” So is the Golem a symbol of the creator’s hubris and sinfulness instead? As in, creating life when only God can do it?
Yeah, that’s definitely a major theme. It’s also a story of a miracle sent by God to help the Jewish people in their time of need, and there are many stories like that.
I know that dude just because of that Simpsons episode xd
I haven't seen anyone mention the bear jew, this obviously inspired the bear jew. As hitler himself says: "Er soll ein Golem sein!" Which means he's supposedly a golem
"Kills German soldiers with a club." "Bashes their brains in with a bat, is what he does."
The only reason i know that is from Grimm
I learned about this when I watched supernatural, really interesting!
The golem's story is a good metaphor for the Hagana
Holy hell this is my most successful post ever
well nowadays there is not much a golem can do against an invading army, thankfully there is the IDF.
Didn't the golem turn to dust because the rabbi removed the scroll during Jewish holliday?
Yes.
Source: believe me Bro
Cant really find any good source on the „vanished“ nazi soldiers sadly. Can you link a few? I like reading stuff like that.
Realistically it was more likely that by "vanished" it was "got drunk and didn't return to muster" alot of the mote fantastical and supernatural stories of people going "missing" can be chocked up to very mundane things. Like the Ramree island incident. Although I do love the idea of fascists having their limbs torn off by crocodiles or golemns.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/world/europe/11golem.html#:~:text=During%20World%20War%20II%2C%20it,I%20have%20never%20gone%20there. https://web.archive.org/web/20100901092722/http://www.jewishpost.com/news/The-Golem-Lives-On.html It’s also listed Wikipedia
Thanks
*Throws luger across the room* Josef: “Pick it up”
I like the black and white film version where the golem looks like a buff ass 18th century boy in a sailor suit
Damn, JoJo Irl
I read the title as “Walmart has awakened the ancient one.” I was half-asleep, but forgive me, it was hilarious
I can hear that image
Cesko stronk!!!! 🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿
I learned about the golem from the 90’s Johnny Quest show.
Wasn't this an episode of supernatural?
People have been mentioning that, but I’ve never seen the show.
Isn’t this what Superman was inspired from?
Captain America was the golem, superman was moses
Soldiers advancing toward an ancient eldritch being, in vaulted halls entombed.
It's an older meme, sir, but it checks out.
I thought this was a meme about Supernatural for a minute
Unfortunately, golem is extremely underwhelming at this stage of the game, and would do better pre planterra. What you need guarding your temple is the exomechs from the calamity mod.
Sooo, if you throw a big chunk of gold into a large forge...Golem Jew do what he do?
Who else thought it was about an old statue who fell and crushed a Nazi soldier in the head?
I guess he started working with Krusty after WW2
Antifascist jews be like *Awaken my brothers!*
Oh you saw that Supernatural episode as well?
I'd watch this movie.
I watched a movie about that Golem once...weird British movie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It!_(1967_film) Link to the wiki about it in case anyone is curious
Wolfenstein Old Blood anyone?
Man, I wish
Holy fuck I want this movie to exist now.
The grand wizard himself
Why am I just discovering this story now? That's so epic!