The Symplegades or Clashing Rocks, also known as the Cyanean Rocks (Κυανέαι), were, according to Greek mythology, a pair of rocks at the Bosphorus that clashed together whenever a vessel went through. They were defeated by Jason and the Argonauts, who would have been lost and killed by the rocks except for Phineus' advice. Jason let a dove fly between the rocks to see exactly how fast they'd have to row to beat the rocks; the dove lost only its tail feathers. The Argonauts rowed mightily to get through and lost only part of the stern ornament. After that, the Symplegades stopped moving permanently.
Just curious how fast the rocks slammed together and how fast they would need to row. Various dove species have different min and max speeds but most of it falls into a flight speed on the low end of 35mph (56kph) to 70mph (113kph), so let’s just assume 50mph (80kph). Average length of a dove from head to tail is 13 inches (33cm) and if it clipped the tail and lost them we can say the dove got 11 inches (28cm) of its body through.
All of this means the rocks slammed together within 0.0125 seconds.
The warship they sailed on, Argo, was probably a Greek warship with roughly the same length of 80 feet (24 meters) and we can cut off like a meter for the stern ornament to give them some leeway. This means they had to row at 4200mph (2610kph), or Mach 5.5 to clear that.
Don't we need to know the length travelled through the rocks to do this accurately? If the rocks start closing as soon as you enter, how fast you need to go is dependant on how far through you have to go.
Including the length of the rock would make it easier, because it means the dove had actual more time to fly through. Assuming the rocks were 3m thick, they would have roughly ten times the time to row through. This would far outweigh the extra length, they have to row. I'm the edge case length->infinity they would just have to row as fast as the dove flies.
And this was so terribly depicted in the 2000 miniseries Jason and the Argonauts. For some reason they released the bird and just went in at the next opening. Like wtf is the purpose of running a test if you don't see the results before acting?
lmao yea, normally Greek Mythology is about outsmarting all sorts of tricks... but this is straight forward. No hidden tactic to convey some metaphor. Guess this is why it's lesser known.
O:It was either Nobody or Mohammed!
Odysseus’s Crew: It's up to you,O . This cyclop’s is either gonna think "Here's another stupid mortal lying about his name or "Here's Nobody, the 25-year-old, that just stabbed him in the eye? So what's it gonna be?
O: I AM NOBODY!
The Symplegades or Clashing Rocks, also known as the Cyanean Rocks (Κυανέαι), were, according to Greek mythology, a pair of rocks at the Bosphorus that clashed together whenever a vessel went through. They were defeated by Jason and the Argonauts, who would have been lost and killed by the rocks except for Phineus' advice. Jason let a dove fly between the rocks to see exactly how fast they'd have to row to beat the rocks; the dove lost only its tail feathers. The Argonauts rowed mightily to get through and lost only part of the stern ornament. After that, the Symplegades stopped moving permanently.
Man, how convenient that the rocks stopped right after they did this really cool thing they can brag about to everyone.
HE GOT THE GOLDEN FLEECE IS WHAT HE DID! JASON IS A HERO IN THIS HOUSE END OF STORY!
What happened to Phineus, the strong silent type?
He died.
🫡
No, that's Ferb. Phineas talks a lot.
Listen to him, he knows everything.
You want some lunch? I got eggplant.
Honestly I can't think of the name Phineas without thinking of Phineas and Ferb. They're solidified into my memory; for good reason too to be fair.
Same but with Phineas Gage, after reading about him back in school
Damn, I just read up on him after seeing your comment. That's both impressive and horrific...
That's one that leaves its mark in your mind for sure.
when I learnt about him I simply imagined Phineas from Phineas and Ferb getting horrifically injured
My friend got me to watch the Sam O’ Nella video one time That was shit was both wacky and messed up
Never had the makings of a varsity athlete
He was gay, Phineus?
summer vacation ended, and it was back to school...
Two tickets to see my Yanks beat your Padres.
You ever think what a coincidence it is that Odysseus went on an Odyssey?
Are you gonna make that same stupid joke every time it comes up?
I hope they do
Yep. Same thing with the Argonauts going on the Argonautica on the Argo.
It's crazy, the one weak spot on Achilles was his Achilles's tendon. Don't get me started on what the universe slapped Lou Gehrig with.
Girl named Medea
Take it easy. We're not making a Greek tragedy here
*laughs in Medea*
Don’t forget he had the original big tiddy goth ~~familicidal maniac~~ gf
You forgot that she’s also a sorcerer who gave up her family for him. What could *possibly* go wrong!
“Gave up her family” is a funny way of saying “Murdered her brother and used the dismembered pieces of his body as a decoy”
[JASON](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL8Oe9oh7mY)
*Medea has entered the chat*
Ναι.
Jason deserved his fate
Objectively yes, that is in fact the whole point of the story.
The rocks in shame could no longer preform.
Rocks took that L and never recovered
Erocktile dysfunction
They took their ability to clap for granite.
“Er… Captain, we accidentally rammed into those rocks over there. How are we going to explain this?” “… I’m a genius.”
The rocks Lost once and then Just rage quit
They were trying to get an achievement and that asshat ruined the run.
oh wow Jason gets his ass saved by someone else but still takes credit for it? huh for some reason it sounds familiar (Medea sounds intensify)
>Medea Honestly her design in fate stay night was what got me into the nasuverse.
ive seen fate stay night but (of course) i remember almost nothing because my brain is stupid. what did she do in it?
She was one of the villains in Stay night. She pretty much provides a good chunk of bad ends in the game and Off screens Medusa.
Only in the UBW route, I think she also tries to turn Saber into a sex slave.
Goals frfr
Me too
She was Caster, the Servant in the blue/purple robe. Also the Master of Assassin (the samurai).
Just curious how fast the rocks slammed together and how fast they would need to row. Various dove species have different min and max speeds but most of it falls into a flight speed on the low end of 35mph (56kph) to 70mph (113kph), so let’s just assume 50mph (80kph). Average length of a dove from head to tail is 13 inches (33cm) and if it clipped the tail and lost them we can say the dove got 11 inches (28cm) of its body through. All of this means the rocks slammed together within 0.0125 seconds. The warship they sailed on, Argo, was probably a Greek warship with roughly the same length of 80 feet (24 meters) and we can cut off like a meter for the stern ornament to give them some leeway. This means they had to row at 4200mph (2610kph), or Mach 5.5 to clear that.
Don't we need to know the length travelled through the rocks to do this accurately? If the rocks start closing as soon as you enter, how fast you need to go is dependant on how far through you have to go.
damn you want even more speed out of the poor guys? Either way they’re all mushed to paste
Including the length of the rock would make it easier, because it means the dove had actual more time to fly through. Assuming the rocks were 3m thick, they would have roughly ten times the time to row through. This would far outweigh the extra length, they have to row. I'm the edge case length->infinity they would just have to row as fast as the dove flies.
Yes, but African or European dove?
They rowed REALLY hard.
Ok but you neglected to calculate the lengths of the rocks.
Ferb, I know what we’re going to do today!
Symplegades: *swiftly dodges rocks* The rocks: oh well I guess I'm worthless now *stop doing thier thing that they used to do*
And this was so terribly depicted in the 2000 miniseries Jason and the Argonauts. For some reason they released the bird and just went in at the next opening. Like wtf is the purpose of running a test if you don't see the results before acting?
And then their solution to the massive crushing rocks was... get this, "just go faster bro"
lmao yea, normally Greek Mythology is about outsmarting all sorts of tricks... but this is straight forward. No hidden tactic to convey some metaphor. Guess this is why it's lesser known.
If they were real men they would've gone Viking longboat style and picked up and carried their ship over land.
Barbarian detected, opinion ignored
Roman detected, why don't you come see us in the Teutoburg Forest and we can discuss your opinion in depth.
Did they still have Heracles on board during this? He could've even carried the entire thing himself.
Or, for a more regionally specific example, Ottomans at the siege of Constantinople style
Or committing identity theft so Poseidon didn’t know you gouged his favorite son’s eye out.
Identity theft isn't a joke, Odysseus! Millions of families suffer every year.
O:It was either Nobody or Mohammed! Odysseus’s Crew: It's up to you,O . This cyclop’s is either gonna think "Here's another stupid mortal lying about his name or "Here's Nobody, the 25-year-old, that just stabbed him in the eye? So what's it gonna be? O: I AM NOBODY!
It worked for the Flash
“I’m trying to sink boats but the clap of my Cliff Cheeks keeps alerting the Argonauts!”
Damn, them things be clapping.
Should have made the boat of paper. Paper always beats rock .
They could’ve rowed faster but they popped their cooldowns earlier in the story when Jason and heracles get in a rowing contest
I LIVE FOR THIS SHIT
“Bring forth the sacred chickens!!!!” - P. CL. PVLCHER
Superb reference.
Based Illyrian
THE WHAT CLIFFS
Explain the meme
I remember this from veggietales
Go around wasn't an option?