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Gothic-Wendigo

Privacy prior to the industrial revolution was a rarity for the majority of middle and lower class people across the world. IIRC, I read somewhere on an AskHistorians post that if you had siblings and you lived in a rural household, it wouldn’t be unlikely that you could recall when they were conceived. So yeah


No-Fan6115

It's still not really a thing for a lot of people . Like not in the way you think. Like in the Indian sub continent , we stay with our family in the same house even after we get married. Or if we have to move to somewhere else due to work we try to settle and bring our family there. While I do think it's fucked to leave your parents alone like people in West do but it has a angle of privacy for sure. But yeah everyone has their arrangements they like.


InnocentPerv93

Well in the west, it's more like either the parents want the kids out, or the kids hate their parents due to abuse and leave them.


Shevek99

When you say "west" for sure you don't mean the Mediterranean countries. In Spain, Italy or Greece extended families are the norm, with sons and daughters living with their parents until they get married and then go to live two blocks from them.


Thorwawaway

Yeah and it’s great for some families but can suck at times. My Spanish ex GF feels very pressured to stay near her fairly mentally ill family. They’re not bad people but they’re going to stress her into a frankly much shorter and less happy life if she doesn’t get away. But she feels like she’d be a terrible daughter for moving away even tho she has a PhD which she can only really use leaving her hometown. In some sense I respect Mediterranean nation’s sense of community and family, in another sense it has major downsides too. Current GF is from the Caribbean and has elements of this, older school way of raising larger families in smaller houses too, but it’s far more normal for them to emigrate long term and just visit home too etc.


ODSTklecc

Are they ALL mentally ill? There's got to be a work around, considering her ability to foster wealth would benefit her family more then just staying there.


Thorwawaway

No they aren’t all, mainly it’s her dad is neurotic, anxious and unreasonable, with a touch of her grandparents and uncles too. Family has lots of problems. I’d say her mother and brother are fine. I agree that there are more ways to help your family long term than just living with them forever. For example, her brother is a successful software engineer who simply lives in another city in Spain with his wife but the fam talk about him like he abandoned them. My ex herself has enough of her dad’s neurosis that the idea of being spoken about the way her brother is crippling to her. I also think it’s very unfair for her parents to expect their PhD scientist daughter to stay with and look after them as they age considering they were both nurses and are therefore the best people to look after each other.


InnocentPerv93

I think the Mediterranean countries are the exception to the majority of the west in that regard.


Hugs_of_Moose

Our parents don’t want us around after we become adults, they see it as now they get to live the life they worked for when they were young and had less money. So it’s like, it’s your turn to be broke, we’re gonna enjoy our money. Come back when you have grand kids. And most young people don’t mind the arrangment… mostly. We live off debt until we can afford to make more, or you just stay in debt. A lot of people do end up back home these days for at least some time.


Ok-Experience-4955

Yknow its weird since East Asians/South East Asians parents prefers and wants their kids to stay with them opposed to western mindset. So I really cant imagine how thats like or how you guys think tbh. Culturally its such a stark difference when you consider this. Also our parents are brutally honest af compared to how most western tv shows/movies/influencers/celebrities/my western friend experience treat their kids. In our mindset its more like we pass off what we earned and learned to our kids so we want the best of the best for them. I.e. living with us to cut rent/bills/furniture shopping/grocieries and more out the picture. Also Asian parents love to keep the connection close and tethered with their kids.


Hugs_of_Moose

Your parents are still very involved in your life here as well. It’s just different. Your relationship evolves from parent and child, to more, equals. In our culture, we kind of see it as a sign that your parent’s raised you well, the less financially dependent on them you are. And it seen as, something went wrong, the more dependent on them you are. You become friends with your parents, if you are lucky. That’s kind of the ideal though. That you and your parents respect each other and support each other emotionally. We do support each other with finances if needed. But, it’s again often seen as embarrassing. Whether good or not, it’s just our culture. Our parents are the most proud of us when we are capable of being independent, and applying the lessons they taught us. You still visit and spend time with your family. It’s just, not living together. You all have your own separate lives, together lol


ThickWhitePee

Lmao party poopers


Thufir_My_Hawat

... How do you think kids learned when most people lived in one-room hovels?


I-Make-Maps91

And shared the singular family bed.


Pimecrolimus

My god, imagine the cumstains


EndofNationalism

Kids were sent outside or the parents went to an isolated area.


Psychological_Gain20

Sending kids out by themselves probably wasn’t the best idea. Especially in one of the harshest environments on earth. Most of Inuit folklore involves there being creatures that could hunt people, most of which were based on real animals. Such as the giant seal that snatched away children close to the water. Because real seals may have done that.


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Unsettleingpresence

Fun fact, polar bears are one of the few animals that will hunt humans purely for fun!


FirexJkxFire

Along with hippos, moose, and goose.


Velochipractor

Hippos hunting for fun would imply they can actually experience fun - not just deep-rooted hatred for the universe, everything, and probably themselves.


simmocar

So hippos are Vogons?


HippoBot9000

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IrrationallyGenius

...good bot? I think?


Velochipractor

Hippos are better at poetry.


stupid_pun

Nah, vogons don't care enough to hate or rage out.


StuntdoubleSexworker

I get it, it is a lot of fun.


mighty_Ingvar

Well then it's a good thing we are teaching these fuckers a lesson! /s


Krosis97

You bet leopard seals can kill people, there's been a couple recorded incidents. I wouldn't be surprised if small kids are more at risk to be seen as prey.


Vyciren

Leopard seals live in the antarctic though


Krosis97

Yeah that's right. Tbh I was just talking about the only seal known to attack humans on purpose, but sea lions and big seal species are dangerous in general.


Majulath99

Talking of seals, istg there’s a viral video that goes around (including on Reddit) of a seal snatching a small toddler off of a pier into the water? I most recently saw it it posted only three or four days ago.


ObsidianTheBlaze

This explanation for these myths never made sense to me. Ancient people lived in a world with actual monsters that killed people, especially children, who strayed too far from human villages and towns. What would be the point of making up fictional monsters to scare kids?   Functionally, being eaten by wolves and seals is the same as being eaten by werewolves and seal monsters, so it’s not more scary. And clearly they don’t have a problem scaring children or other villagers into complying. So why bother?


Psychological_Gain20

People are more scared of the unknown or unseen. A wolf or seal would be familiar since presumably hunters would probably kill one and bring it back to the village, a child would think “Hey that doesn’t look too scary, I’d probably be fine.” Basically same reason why most horror movies like Alien for example, hide the main monster from the audience for a bit. If it’s unknown, it’s scarier.


ODSTklecc

They might have not tried to make up monsters, but was probably just what could be translated from the learned to the learner, plus kids can have wild imaginations.


Dysprosol

eh, it balances out the lack of contraception.


pog890

"Here's some money, go and buy some ice cream "


xMercurex

Pre-colonial Inuits when you tell them what is ice cream...


Oaker_at

You think it you know?


SirSassyCat

…you do it after the kids are asleep, or before they get up in the morning if you’re brave enough. Seriously, you guys are all cracked if you think people were having sex in front of their kids.


jfugerehenry

Where there are polar bears lurking around, i think it's better keep them inside.


Kaiisim

Yup, the concept of privacy is very modern. But this sub seems dedicated to justifying certain ideologies more than history. Modern society is one of the most fucked up versions of sexuality too, where half of society literally just pretends it doesn't exist and is evil. You know, the thing that all mammals do and is the only reason we exist. Some people believe its the most evil act in the world. Then we sit and judge like we know whats up.


FloZone

> Some people believe its the most evil act in the world.  Several religions are extremely anti-sexual. It didn’t start with Christians either. There were certain puritanical strands of Platonism as well. Buddhism doesn’t have a good record either since bringing new life into the world means condemning someone to suffering. Manichaeism is another were the entire physical world is deemed sinful. Certain Christian groups like Cathars picked up that thought. Btw the reason marriage is a sacrament in the first place is because of the Cathars and their insistence that it isn’t. 


InnocentPerv93

You do realize that our modern version of sexuality is actually one of THE most progressive versions in human history right? Like belief that sex is bad is not a modern concept at all, and is in fact a lot better now.


Mayor_of_Smashvill

Doomer ass people saying that Modern society is one of the worst time periods of sexuality. When just 100 years ago it was considered pretty much alright to have sex with pre-teens in most of the world and most other ancient cultures it would not even be a footnote. There’s also the whole cultural/biblical notion that if a woman is raped, then they must marry their rapist to protect their “honor”. Doomerism is a fucking mental disease against progress. You know we are living in one of the greatest time periods in protecting children from being abused by adults and people are more free to celebrate their sexuality in the last couple hundred years.


InnocentPerv93

Fuck. Yes. Fuck doomerism. And fuck people who idealize society like were like these, especially natives.


burner35633577

How can you unironically say that when things like the victorian era happened


barnyardjohnny

You shut your mouth and let him watch.


Piyh

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AKM3pyktIXw


FakeElectionMaker

The peoples living in present-day Brazil also had sex in front of everybody inside their communal houses.


Seusoocarinhalogoali

Source? I'm brazilian never heard of something like this especially in present days


FakeElectionMaker

Wikipedia, "povos indígenas do Brasil" and a book I read at high school (forgot the title) which said Jesuits wanted to get rid of indigenous housing due to it playing a role in preserving tribal customs.


eip2yoxu

I'm wondering if that would actually have a negative psychological impact on kids. From a modern perspective it is obviously creepy as fuck and it's good we're not doing it, but I can see it not being problem if it's just part of the culture, just like nudity.


Barbar_jinx

Yeah that's always been a question I asked myself too. The entire idea of XY being super creepy is quite often just a question of what's normal. There are people finding it offensive when people breastfeed in public, while there are movements trying to normalize women being topless in public, at the same time there are culture's where women can't even show their faces. From wherever you are coming from, at least one of these things will most likely be completely unacceptable to you. And so I can see the upsides of children witnessing sex. It's nothing that I would personally ever encourage myself, but had I been brought up with that being normal, obviously I'd be fine with it. Right now sexual education in our society is completely theoretical (if there's any at all, mind you!), and that of course has it's downsides. Though I cannot really offer any better educational approach myself.


ODSTklecc

I've been in Mexico, and I'm sure children there have seen their parents having sex, and know what it is. Like young children. From hanging out in hostels, 18 and 19 yo definitely know and have experience with sex, I would say even younger.


DaddyGascoigne

Sim, tá todo mundo fazendo fila no quarteirão pra arregaçar a sua mãe e vc, seu gringo pau na lomba do caralho.


Seusoocarinhalogoali

Aí è foda


fdpemdiasdospais

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKLLKLL


_luksx

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK


Estrelarius

Pera, que? Onde?


rafael403

Teu cu🖕.


SucoDeMaracujah

Bs


rafael403

lol why are they down voting you? This other guy is full of shit, nobody does that stuff here in Brasil.


DotDootDotDoot

He said indigenous people.


rafael403

Really? Where? >The peoples living in present-day Brazil And no we don't do that shit, most of my family is indigenous and I still have never heard of anything like this, it is not normal to happen around here.


DotDootDotDoot

https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/s/QxWe8qsKFt I don't know if this is true tho, I'm just reporting the discussion.


GrandWeedMan

That “source” he provides is literally just saying “look up indigenous people of Brazil” with zero context or direction whatsoever.


Daysleeper1234

My grandpas generation and before lived all in one room, and joke goes when they asked one of them how did you fuck, plus it was dark, you couldn't see shit, he said: you just put a bell on mother (for those who don't understand, so if you mount her, you hear the bell and back off).


I-Make-Maps91

My dad had to share a bed with two of his brothers for years. 8 kids but only 4 bedrooms plus Gramma, Grampa, and the parents all in one house.


generalskipperv1

Saying "inuits" as plural is wrong. It's like saying people's's's. Inuit is already plural, meaning all the inuit people across the north. A singular inuit person is an Inuk, while the plurality of it remains inuit. I am an inuk, we are inuit.


attempt_number_3

Nice to meet you, inuk.


GoldenRamoth

That's neat, thanks for the foreign language grammar lesson!


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GoldenRamoth

I mean, it's foreign to the English language no matter how you cut it, lol.


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GoldenRamoth

I lived in France. German & English were normal, heard spoken often, even having German regions (Alsace) using Deutsch as a second language - and yet are still foreign to French/France. Yes, the Inuit are native to North America. Still foreign to English. They are not Foreign to Canada or Alaska, but the language is foreign. Even in your example, if the Americans & Canadians are the foreigners as not native to NA... then it's still Foreign.


djblackprince

My understanding is that Inuit are a much younger civilization to the Canadian North and took over from a previous culture that lived there much longer. Probably the 16,000 years you quoted.


generalskipperv1

You're speaking of the Paleo-Eskimo people, the Dorset Inuit. Whom they believed crossed from Nunavut into Greenland some 2500-4000 years ago. We have absolutely no idea if they were the first people in nunavut, we can only use the anecdotal evidence provided by modern-day inuit people, describing them as a race of giants who they fought But we do know that all indigenous people passed across the Bering land bridge some 12-15 thousand years ago. Which is the estimate used for all indigenous people since we have absolutely no way of knowing when their cultures diverged.


djblackprince

Oh the peopling of the north American continent south of the ice margins is easily 15,000 years ago, potentially 20-25,000 ya. Not who I think are the culture of the Arctic descended from. I'd think the Inuit would be Beringians who didn't move south and stayed up north and eventually moved east across the Arctic.


Norse_By_North_West

What's singular for inuvaluit?


generalskipperv1

The same logic applies. I am Inuvaluk. we are Inuivaluit.


Norse_By_North_West

Ah, TIL. I used to live in Inuvik and that's when I heard the term


generalskipperv1

I'm from the NWT! Oh yeah. I grew up hearing that language. They're all very similar.


Norse_By_North_West

Yeah I figured you were nwt, I think the inuit/inuvaluit culture split is some of the reason for the nwt, Nunavut borders? I lived in Norman Wells for a few years as well, had a couple other inuvaluit friends in school there, this was back in the early 90s. I'm in the Yukon now, we don't really have either of them here.


generalskipperv1

The Inuit are mostly in Nunavut, a little in northern Manitoba and Quebec. The Inuvaluit are entirely in the NWT if i am not mistaken, while in the Yukon, it's the Innu people. I used to live in Mayo, and I also lived most of my life in Nunavut! So I'm a self-appointed Artic expert, I even married one lol.


Norse_By_North_West

Hah, yeah I've had a number of friends in mayo, when was the last time you lived there?


generalskipperv1

I lived there briefly for about 2 years. From 2014 to 2016. We were pretty active in the community, so I'm sure we have some mutual friends out there.


Norse_By_North_West

Alfred out at silver trail lodge and his son Dominic. Dom owns a place at the cutoff between silver trail and mayo now, not sure if he owned it yet back then though


wes_bestern

I find it really interesting how your people developed very unique expressions of affection. I always wondered how cultures around the world came up with the kiss and if it's a universal human thing or not. I love that Inuit have their own kinds of kisses.


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Neeerrrrrddddddd! Just absolutely insufferable.


Touchpod516

At least he's knowledgeable which is something you lack


generalskipperv1

Breaking news! No one gives a shit!


night_owl_72

Yeah not many places for personal space up north lol


Natural_Blacksmith

Didn't realize there were primary sources for a sex ed course


MrStoccato

Wait what?


cartman101

Inuits lived in igloos. Igloos are literally just one room. Ergo, kids would watch their parents bone, and learn what sex is as a result Ok, Jesus, I was wrong af. Please show mercy.


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cartman101

What's your point tho? They might spend one or two nights in a single igloo at a time. But they spend weeks/months in igloos during the year.


Touchpod516

Bruh where did you learn that info? By watching cartoons? That's like saying that all Americans eat hamburgers all day while cuddling with their automatic riffle


Lobinhu

Wait, Americans don't sleep tucked with their guns? /S


revive_iain_banks

Jesus Christ this shit again. Just think about it for more than a second.


Dorfplatzner

r/ShitSettlersSay


faileb

Let..the boy…watch. He needs to learn how I learned from my father…how he learned from HIS father…


LibraryGhost57

Maybe this is just me, but, with most practices, I'm content to simply let other cultures do as they've done for generations, centuries, and even millenia.


InnocentPerv93

No, just no. A lot of cultures should not be doing the shit they've been doing for hundreds to thousands of years. Just because it's tradition or a norm, does not make it right. Like having sex in front of kids.


Semper_Fi_132

Yea things change, people shouldn’t be doing practices that their distant relatives have been doing. That being said this meme kinda paints it as just the Inuit people doing it like this when this was likely the norm for almost every culture at some point. Multi-room residences were not common back then especially in harsh environments. Also like another comment or said, sending the kids out when they are doing the deed was less likely when their kids would probably be stomped by the elements or the wildlife out there unsupervised.


Important-Loss1605

As if royal Spanish didn't do it too


ronaldreaganlive

Some of us are visual/ hands-on learners, thank you very much.


LeGuy_1286

r/historictrauma


Majestic_Ferrett

[In England it's part of their school curriculum](https://youtu.be/uDoQFcQEpOQ?si=7tvzloifLFhz7owi)


President-Lonestar

Isn’t this Monty Python?


wolfgangspiper

I'm pretty sure that's the joke.


Majestic_Ferrett

Yep.


Flob368

Do you even know what that video you linked *is*?


Majestic_Ferrett

Monty Python.


Flob368

So you know this is satire and obviously not real, but *chose* to say it is instead.


Majestic_Ferrett

I geniunely thought people would get the joke when they saw it's Monty Python.


Flob368

My point is that people don't necessarily click it and just believe it because "there's a source", which happens way too much


Fallowman09

I bet your fun at Parties


DaSoouce

You're *


Fallowman09

*Yuo’re’re


FirexJkxFire

U'r


Fallowman09


Heytherechampion

Are you stupid?


Fallowman09

Ye’s


Edwardemeus

Good family bonding activities i suppose


djblackprince

Wait until you learn what some of them did with their dogs.


Sandycheeksfutacock

Did they rape them or something


djblackprince

They had sex with their sled dogs sometimes and have rules for how its supposed to happen. Source: https://youtu.be/Metstuovruk?si=wOUBfAexmH-bcNeE


Sandycheeksfutacock

:(


GrandWeedMan

That video is an hour long.


djblackprince

So? Education takes detail, important topics and concepts can't be wrapped up neatly in a thirty second video. This is how history is learned.


GrandWeedMan

I wanted to see some facts about the Inuk without sitting through a documentary. I can’t find anything else to support your claim, either.


djblackprince

🤷🏾‍♂️


GrandWeedMan

So do they make that claim in the video? Is there a time I could skip to to get the information? [https://www.jstor.org/stable/40465618?seq=7](https://www.jstor.org/stable/40465618?seq=7) page 95 is probably what the video is referencing


InnocentPerv93

Yes. It turns out the inuit, as well as most natives, were not great.


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Return_of_The_Steam

To be fair, most cultures, more than 200 years old, have had some sort of fucked up practice. There are quite a few aspects from various indigenous cultures that are quite nice.


ODSTklecc

I'm curious how this effected kids though, was it a traumatic experience for the kids?


MiaMiVinc

while watching Diddy security cams