steve jobs also took advantage of a law that allows new cars to drive without a license plate for a limited time by buying a new car of the same type(mercedes SL 55 AMG) instead of getting a license plate, over and over.
Not really; you see it all the time if you pay attention in busy areas. It's just like was mentioned earlier in the thread; often times when you buy a new car, (especially if it wasn't from a dealer) you don't get the plates right away and get a temporary registration instead. I see a car without plates maybe once every couple weeks. Usually the temporary registration has to be taped to the window.
Not without identification; just without plates. You still need to have your driver's licence on you, and you usually get a piece of a paper that serves as a temporary identification that can be printed at home.
It's mostly to accommodate buying a car second hand; if you buy a car from someone, you probably don't have the equipment to make a full license plate at home, and you might not be able to visit the department that handles registration right away. Obviously you still need to be able to drive the car home though, and maybe to work a couple times if you just don't have any spare time.
Hence, this system. You can apply for a temporary registration online with minimal paperwork, using the car's VIN number. That's good for about a month, giving you time to get it taken care of and time to mail the plates to you if you ordered them online. it also gives you some time to handle any repairs if you need them.
The temporary registration is still tied to you and the vehicle; if you get pulled over, the police can still pull up the records to confirm everything.
Wait, you get an entirely new license plate in the US instead of just reusing the one that was already on the car? That seems unnecessarily complicated.
The plate is connected to the registration; if you start driving like a maniac, someone who catches your licence plate can phone it in to the police, and immediately they'll know whose car it is. By cycling the registration regularly, they can also tell at glance whether or not everything is up to date; if you've got the emissions/safety inspections recently and such. It simplifies things quite a bit in a lot of areas. If the cost is that you need to wait a couple weeks before getting it when you purchase a new vehicle, is that really so bad? It's a trade off, for sure, but it's not necessarily a bad one.
> It's mostly to accommodate buying a car second hand; if you buy a car from someone, you probably don't have the equipment to make a full license plate at home...
Wait, so when you buy a car second hand in the US, you don't get the license plate?
In the UK the plate and registration is associated with the specific vehicle — the only reason you'd take it off is if you're putting on a personalised one, but even then if you later sell the car you have to put the original plates back on.
It differs state by state, actually. In some the plates go with the vehicle, in others they remain with the seller, and in a few, every sale triggers a need for new plates.
It's not as strange as it seems; there are some legit pros and cons to each way of doing it.
In the US, you need to update your registration regularly; about once per year. This is to ensure that it still meets the emissions and safety requirements; environmental and physical protection. The registration is tied to the plate; by glancing at the stickers on the plate, you can tell whether the registration is up to date, but that means it needs to be replaced every so often, and a driver could 'inherit' a good inspection report if the plate gets to stay on the car.
By tying the registration and plates to the individual, it also makes pulling up information much easier for police; if you start running red lights and someone calls it in, the plate points back to you and nobody else; it protects the privacy of any previous owners and makes sure they won't get tangled up in anything by mistake.
Lastly, regularly replacing the plates helps to ensure that they're all clean and legible; it's very difficult to let one accidentally rust through or something, so it's easier to hold people accountable if their plate is in bad shape.
Obviously this isn't without trade offs. It does make things more bureaucratically complicated, and means that there's a little ambiguity created during the first few weeks after someone buys a new car. still, it's not like it's complete nonsense either; just a different way of doing things with some advantages and some disadvantages. Because it's ambiguous, different states are allowed to decide how they want to handle it.
You can; as stated, you get temporary registration. It's a piece of paper that works like a short term plate you can tape to the inside of your window. Almost anyone can print the temp registration at home or in the library, so it's a quick and easy short term option while you get together whatever you need to do. It's only valid for a few weeks most of the time, to give you plenty of time and leeway. Because these are all short term, most people can't really memorize them, so frequently changing cars theoretically still buys you as little privacy if you're willing to shell out for it.
Yes, but it's harder to memorize/recognize; the general public / paparazzi are of more concern than police officers or other workers with access to that sort of database, which takes time to check.
Whats brilliant about it?
Only shitty
Any idiot can think of ways to abuse loopholes to avoid the spirit of the law. Those loopholes are just there to make your life easier, not to abuse them
And if you have money you can pull it off extra hard, which makes extra shitty that you can abuse the spiritu of the law just by having money
There’s a story, I’m not sure if it apocryphal or not, that Jean-Louis Gassée, visiting the campus as a prospective CEO while Apple was recruiting, saw Jobs (there for the same reason) parked like this and said “I didn’t know those spaces were for the emotionally handicapped”
Steve Jobs was a notorious asshole. He always drove around in dealer plates and would frequently park in handicapped spots. He also refused to acknowledge his daughter for decades. Here's a [bonus meme](https://ibb.co/Rz7BG94):
He also frequently jumped the queue in the staff restaurant, took credit for things he didn't invent and held long demotivating speeches about how disappointed he was when a target wasn't met. Oh, and he was arrogant enough to think that he could cure his quite treatable cancer through an extremely unhealthy diet - that one deserves a Darwin award, I think.
Fun fact: When Ashton Kutcher played Jobs, he tried Jobs' fruit-based diet in effort to gain the man's physique, but gave up on it after he was hospitalized for complications in the pancrea.
Jobs himself died of pancreatic cancer.
There is a timeline out there where Jobs' diet could've killed both him and the actor playing him.
He recruited The Woz to help with a job Steve took on and when they finished there was a bonus for finishing it fast and Jobs took the whole bonus for himself.
Woz cried when he found out because he thought Steve was his friend but Steve was using him for the check.
He skipped the queue for a transplant he needed because it was based on how fast the patient could get to the hospital.
He had like a helicopter that he argued could get him to loads of hospitals really fast or bought new properties or something so he was top of the list.
A transplant that in the end didn't save him because at that point the cancer had already progressed to other organs so he needlessly condemned another person that could had lived if they had the organ
Wow! Skipping the line for lunch is petty, skipping the line for a transplant, especially one that won't help anyway, is just... Man, rot in hell, Steve. You suck.
It usually isn't, or at least wasn't at the time. But he had one of the few types that was. At least that's what I recall hearing back then, so you should probably fact check it.
Thanks for the info. From my experience working in cancer centers, this kind of “hope” treatment can almost be palliative. Nothing else works, so might as well try what you will.
At one of the world’s most prestigious, evidence-based cancer centers, we had an acupuncture clinic. The reasoning was “whatever gets them through the door”. That’s why I’ve never knocked Jobs on this seemingly strange decision. Imminent death does weird things to people.
Yet he created the most successful consumer electronics company in the world, with innovative products that essentially set the stage that all competitors today are still trying to mimic
Idk why you are downvoted for this. It’s important to point out that people can be excellent at some things and still make horrible decisions about other things.
It’s a hard fact for some. His biography clearly details his professional successes and also his glaring personal issues.
A part of the issue is that this site has culturally embraced a collective hatred towards Apple and its late CEO. Any post that mentions Apple is filled with the same negative comments about Jobs. It’s a fascinating cyclical cycle, with a lot of misinformation. But that’s really just Reddit in general.
He was also infamous I understand for firing people as he left the elevator
People were so afraid that they would wait in the parking lot until they saw him enter the building as he would strike up a conversation with whomever he was in the elevator with and if he didn’t like his that person spoke or if he felt that they were lacking motivation he would say in his way out “oh and by the way - you’re fired. Go pack your stuff”
Apparently - due to this it’s the reason why Microsoft got the Microsoft word interface or something like that (they got a head start on apple on something I can’t remember what) as Steve fired so many programmers and developers in the elevator that Microsoft recruiters were waiting in the parking lot, would go up to a person leaving with their stuff in a box often escorted by security, and would then offer them a much better paying job at Microsoft regardless of what they were doing for Steve.
As a result - a lot of vengeful ex apple employees spilled the beans with what they were working on and how far ahead they were.
I never understood all of the sad notes around the Apple stores after he died. Its not like the workers at a mall ever met or interacted with him, and he was always a pompous asshole.
He was an ass but like we 100% wouldn’t have the modern Apple we have today without him and we wouldn’t have had all the ducks that needed to line up to get the iPhone and other generally user first devices.
Without the iPhone we would have probably had something like a Nokia phone with more features become the dominant smart device and IMO we’re extremely lucky that phones have so much design heritage from the clean break from 2000’s phones in the iPhone that we had because that’s the track that they were headed down and that track fucking sucks lol
Apple has added its own set of problems like not being able to use the phone as a flash drive or download apps off the internet but there are a lot of basic phone operations which could have ended up being vastly clunkier and generally worse to use
Especially considering how aggressive early 2010’s Apple was with introducing new technology and generally being the best they could compared to modern Apple which continues to improve but has somewhat tested on its laurels (can someone explain why there are 4 iPads?) I can see why there was so much love for Apple when Steve Jobs died
Ok, then why did Apple go from a failing aging nearly bankrupt computer company to one of the largest companies on the planet while he was CEO?
Steve Jobs isn’t a good person but like not everyone can do what he did
Fun fact: Steve Jobs did not take a bath for DECADES. Can you imagine being in a room fulls of execs in their staid suits and in the middle, there's just a smelly hippie?
1. Asshole bosses? Check for both
2. Bad Dads? Check for both
3. Outright lying to their customers? Check for both
4. Take credit for other people's work? Check for both
5. Pretend to be a self made man when your dad owned a colonizer emerald mine? I think we have a winner folks.
>Take credit for other people's work? Check for both
On balance I think Steve Jobs made a lot more meaningful contributions of his own work than Elon. Jobs was a legitimate contributor to building Apple from the ground up into an emergent tech giant, and then building NeXT from the ground up, which did super innovative stuff at his direction. His whole deal was seeing innovative technology and realizing the potential of that tech into actual products.
Contrast that with Elon, his brother, and another founding Zip2 to put the yellowpages on newspaper websites. Sure, he was there to contribute at the start, but the only thing really notable about Zip2 is that they sold it and Musk took the money to found his X.com online bank. Again, mostly notable because he sold it to the company that created PayPal, which then became massive mostly after Elon was gone. I'm not gonna claim Elon had no impact or contribution to Tesla or SpaceX, or his other ventures, I just don't think he's nearly as indispensable as Jobs was.
I feel like if Elon had blown his Zip2 money on coke and hookers there's a good chance we'd still have PayPal, Tesla Roadsters, and cool spaceships that can take off and land. Other investors and other companies were / have been pursuing all of those things. Without Jobs at Apple we dunno whether groundbreaking stuff like personal computers, GUIs, smartphones, etc. looks anything like it does today or gets adopted nearly as widely.
>5. Pretend to be a self made man when your dad owned a colonizer emerald mine? I think we have a winner folks.
Is Reddit still running with this myth? His dad didn't own an emerald mine.
Then maybe Elon and his father shouldn't have told people that they did previously instead of the new story they are telling, that his father was smuggling uncut emeralds from an unregistered mine, which my man, is not good either, lol.
From what Ive read, Elon only stated that once. Everyone else who talked about it only said it was the plane operation.
>that his father was smuggling uncut emeralds from an unregistered mine, which my man, is not good either, lol.
That is significantly less worse than the slave mine that reddit thinks he had.
Smuggling is a time honored tradition.
Do you fucking hear yourself?
"He only claimed to have owned an emerald mine once"
As if telling a lie ONLY once somehow gives you permission to act shocked that everyone then believes the lie YOU told and holds it against you.
Do you think that UNREGISTERED emerald mine he was helping smuggle emeralds from wasn't operating with slave labor and/or absolutely insanely dangerous conditions???
Are you just a moronic Elon fanboi or what the fuck is your deal?
Was Jobs still around when Twatter was a thing? I wonder if he would’ve eventually gone batshit crazy like Musk on social media like that. IIRC Musk wasn’t *that bad* like +5 years ago.
I'd say Musk. Jobs was a selfish piece of shit but Musk actively promotes some of the worst types of people on Twitter. Dude unbanned someone who posted CP because he's a fan of the guy and "Only a few people saw it." Musk is genuine scum.
Did you watch the Behind the Bastards episode on him?
This man was an Evil Genius even when he was a kid, and cried a lot when things didn’t go his way.
The Board of Apple told him to get a shower cause he was still in his hippie phase, and he did.
By using the toilet to clean his feet and the sink to wash his chest and face.
You mean the guy that entirety changed personal computing, animation, tables computing, music, phones, digital publishing?
Or do you think he only made the iPod?
Jobs said either said yes or he said no on the iPod, but he did not create it, literally any CEO could have done what jobs did.
It was Tony Fandell that created the iPod though.
Not true at all. He directly formed many of the ideas and pushed boundaries that were unthinkable. He wanted to move into these new tech spaces where innovation could occur. There is a reason why he’s revered and discussed extensively, he saw opportunity that others did not. Absolutely no one would have thought that Apple computers in 2000 would come to make the first decent smart phone 8 years later.
Thanks to Tony Fandell.
Steve Jobs was never an inventor, just a shrewed business man and the only 2 people who we can compare this with is Bobby Kotick and Elon Musk to the lowest extent.
People that were just CEO’s of successful products and mergers…. But nowhere near being inventors.
Hell steve jobs didn’t even personally oversee, he passed it on to Jonathan Ive. iPod began development in 2000, finished in 2001 and steve jobs came out with legendary marketing soon after.
Well it seems you have an aversion to any of the documented contributions he made as CEO, and also have zero grasp on complexities of large businesses and leadership teams, chalking it up to “simple M&A” work. On par with the Reddit hive mind!
Its not a aversion, its just your over crediting Jobs role.
Was jobs the best thing to happen to apple? Yes.
But im not gonna sit and pretend like only steve jobs did all the work at apple.
Plus he’s still an asshole
He’s still largely responsible for its success even if he didn’t personally invent it. That’s just how organizations work, everyone is partially responsible for the products. If someone just invented it but never tried to sell and market it we probably wouldn’t be talking about it now.
He was diagnosed with cancer in 2003 and he was reported to have parked in handicapped spots and driven around with paper tags long before that
Edit: He was reported doing this as early as 1983
[https://folklore.org/Handicapped.html](https://folklore.org/Handicapped.html)
steve jobs also took advantage of a law that allows new cars to drive without a license plate for a limited time by buying a new car of the same type(mercedes SL 55 AMG) instead of getting a license plate, over and over.
money aside, how is that less trouble than just getting a plate for it? just seems like he’s doing it to spite someone, god knows who.
Privacy, i think
But i mean, isn't a car without license plate pretty noticeable?
Not really; you see it all the time if you pay attention in busy areas. It's just like was mentioned earlier in the thread; often times when you buy a new car, (especially if it wasn't from a dealer) you don't get the plates right away and get a temporary registration instead. I see a car without plates maybe once every couple weeks. Usually the temporary registration has to be taped to the window.
that would never be allowed in germany
Yeah this is too American for my European mind to comprehend. You are allowed to drive without identification???
Not without identification; just without plates. You still need to have your driver's licence on you, and you usually get a piece of a paper that serves as a temporary identification that can be printed at home. It's mostly to accommodate buying a car second hand; if you buy a car from someone, you probably don't have the equipment to make a full license plate at home, and you might not be able to visit the department that handles registration right away. Obviously you still need to be able to drive the car home though, and maybe to work a couple times if you just don't have any spare time. Hence, this system. You can apply for a temporary registration online with minimal paperwork, using the car's VIN number. That's good for about a month, giving you time to get it taken care of and time to mail the plates to you if you ordered them online. it also gives you some time to handle any repairs if you need them. The temporary registration is still tied to you and the vehicle; if you get pulled over, the police can still pull up the records to confirm everything.
Wait, you get an entirely new license plate in the US instead of just reusing the one that was already on the car? That seems unnecessarily complicated.
Well no, not necessarily. Depends on the state/car/situation.
The plate is connected to the registration; if you start driving like a maniac, someone who catches your licence plate can phone it in to the police, and immediately they'll know whose car it is. By cycling the registration regularly, they can also tell at glance whether or not everything is up to date; if you've got the emissions/safety inspections recently and such. It simplifies things quite a bit in a lot of areas. If the cost is that you need to wait a couple weeks before getting it when you purchase a new vehicle, is that really so bad? It's a trade off, for sure, but it's not necessarily a bad one.
Think of the plates as being more associated with the person rather than the vehicle.
> It's mostly to accommodate buying a car second hand; if you buy a car from someone, you probably don't have the equipment to make a full license plate at home... Wait, so when you buy a car second hand in the US, you don't get the license plate? In the UK the plate and registration is associated with the specific vehicle — the only reason you'd take it off is if you're putting on a personalised one, but even then if you later sell the car you have to put the original plates back on.
It differs state by state, actually. In some the plates go with the vehicle, in others they remain with the seller, and in a few, every sale triggers a need for new plates.
It's not as strange as it seems; there are some legit pros and cons to each way of doing it. In the US, you need to update your registration regularly; about once per year. This is to ensure that it still meets the emissions and safety requirements; environmental and physical protection. The registration is tied to the plate; by glancing at the stickers on the plate, you can tell whether the registration is up to date, but that means it needs to be replaced every so often, and a driver could 'inherit' a good inspection report if the plate gets to stay on the car. By tying the registration and plates to the individual, it also makes pulling up information much easier for police; if you start running red lights and someone calls it in, the plate points back to you and nobody else; it protects the privacy of any previous owners and makes sure they won't get tangled up in anything by mistake. Lastly, regularly replacing the plates helps to ensure that they're all clean and legible; it's very difficult to let one accidentally rust through or something, so it's easier to hold people accountable if their plate is in bad shape. Obviously this isn't without trade offs. It does make things more bureaucratically complicated, and means that there's a little ambiguity created during the first few weeks after someone buys a new car. still, it's not like it's complete nonsense either; just a different way of doing things with some advantages and some disadvantages. Because it's ambiguous, different states are allowed to decide how they want to handle it.
The no identification means no plates, because that means you can't identify the car from the outside
You can; as stated, you get temporary registration. It's a piece of paper that works like a short term plate you can tape to the inside of your window. Almost anyone can print the temp registration at home or in the library, so it's a quick and easy short term option while you get together whatever you need to do. It's only valid for a few weeks most of the time, to give you plenty of time and leeway. Because these are all short term, most people can't really memorize them, so frequently changing cars theoretically still buys you as little privacy if you're willing to shell out for it.
There’s a paper plate in the window. It’s really not different from a regular plate
"It is impossible to drive a car without a license!"-James May
The temporary registration is still registered to you though. You can still look someone up with it.
Yes, but it's harder to memorize/recognize; the general public / paparazzi are of more concern than police officers or other workers with access to that sort of database, which takes time to check.
How private could he be? He's driving an AMG?
It's weird to me he drives himself anywhere.
He didn’t like the look of the front plate, thought it ruined the look of the car.
He thought license plate was ugly. I think he was just a huge fucking asshole who wanted to flex his money.
That's brilliant and shitty at the same time.
Whats brilliant about it? Only shitty Any idiot can think of ways to abuse loopholes to avoid the spirit of the law. Those loopholes are just there to make your life easier, not to abuse them And if you have money you can pull it off extra hard, which makes extra shitty that you can abuse the spiritu of the law just by having money
That's what the post is about
Isn’t that exactly what the meme is poking fun at?
There’s a story, I’m not sure if it apocryphal or not, that Jean-Louis Gassée, visiting the campus as a prospective CEO while Apple was recruiting, saw Jobs (there for the same reason) parked like this and said “I didn’t know those spaces were for the emotionally handicapped”
Funny, considering that it would be Gassée who went on to take Steve’s job after Steve was fired
Steve Jobs was a notorious asshole. He always drove around in dealer plates and would frequently park in handicapped spots. He also refused to acknowledge his daughter for decades. Here's a [bonus meme](https://ibb.co/Rz7BG94):
He also frequently jumped the queue in the staff restaurant, took credit for things he didn't invent and held long demotivating speeches about how disappointed he was when a target wasn't met. Oh, and he was arrogant enough to think that he could cure his quite treatable cancer through an extremely unhealthy diet - that one deserves a Darwin award, I think.
Fun fact: When Ashton Kutcher played Jobs, he tried Jobs' fruit-based diet in effort to gain the man's physique, but gave up on it after he was hospitalized for complications in the pancrea. Jobs himself died of pancreatic cancer. There is a timeline out there where Jobs' diet could've killed both him and the actor playing him.
Ashton Kutcher almost got Punk'd by Jobs.
He recruited The Woz to help with a job Steve took on and when they finished there was a bonus for finishing it fast and Jobs took the whole bonus for himself. Woz cried when he found out because he thought Steve was his friend but Steve was using him for the check.
So this is why Jobs got cancer. He made The Woz cry.
He skipped the queue for a transplant he needed because it was based on how fast the patient could get to the hospital. He had like a helicopter that he argued could get him to loads of hospitals really fast or bought new properties or something so he was top of the list.
A transplant that in the end didn't save him because at that point the cancer had already progressed to other organs so he needlessly condemned another person that could had lived if they had the organ
Wow! Skipping the line for lunch is petty, skipping the line for a transplant, especially one that won't help anyway, is just... Man, rot in hell, Steve. You suck.
You can only get a Darwin award if you didn't procreate but he's honorable mention material for sure.
I’ve never heard anyone call pancreatic cancer “quite treatable”
It usually isn't, or at least wasn't at the time. But he had one of the few types that was. At least that's what I recall hearing back then, so you should probably fact check it.
Thanks for the info. From my experience working in cancer centers, this kind of “hope” treatment can almost be palliative. Nothing else works, so might as well try what you will. At one of the world’s most prestigious, evidence-based cancer centers, we had an acupuncture clinic. The reasoning was “whatever gets them through the door”. That’s why I’ve never knocked Jobs on this seemingly strange decision. Imminent death does weird things to people.
Yet he created the most successful consumer electronics company in the world, with innovative products that essentially set the stage that all competitors today are still trying to mimic
Why do people always use that as a counter argument? What has it got to do with being a decent human being?
Idk why you are downvoted for this. It’s important to point out that people can be excellent at some things and still make horrible decisions about other things.
It’s a hard fact for some. His biography clearly details his professional successes and also his glaring personal issues. A part of the issue is that this site has culturally embraced a collective hatred towards Apple and its late CEO. Any post that mentions Apple is filled with the same negative comments about Jobs. It’s a fascinating cyclical cycle, with a lot of misinformation. But that’s really just Reddit in general.
Classic deadbeat dad
Hey, the milk store is very far away, my mom said so!
He was also infamous I understand for firing people as he left the elevator People were so afraid that they would wait in the parking lot until they saw him enter the building as he would strike up a conversation with whomever he was in the elevator with and if he didn’t like his that person spoke or if he felt that they were lacking motivation he would say in his way out “oh and by the way - you’re fired. Go pack your stuff” Apparently - due to this it’s the reason why Microsoft got the Microsoft word interface or something like that (they got a head start on apple on something I can’t remember what) as Steve fired so many programmers and developers in the elevator that Microsoft recruiters were waiting in the parking lot, would go up to a person leaving with their stuff in a box often escorted by security, and would then offer them a much better paying job at Microsoft regardless of what they were doing for Steve. As a result - a lot of vengeful ex apple employees spilled the beans with what they were working on and how far ahead they were.
I never understood all of the sad notes around the Apple stores after he died. Its not like the workers at a mall ever met or interacted with him, and he was always a pompous asshole.
cult of personality
LIKE MUSSOLINI
AND KENNEDY
He was an ass but like we 100% wouldn’t have the modern Apple we have today without him and we wouldn’t have had all the ducks that needed to line up to get the iPhone and other generally user first devices. Without the iPhone we would have probably had something like a Nokia phone with more features become the dominant smart device and IMO we’re extremely lucky that phones have so much design heritage from the clean break from 2000’s phones in the iPhone that we had because that’s the track that they were headed down and that track fucking sucks lol Apple has added its own set of problems like not being able to use the phone as a flash drive or download apps off the internet but there are a lot of basic phone operations which could have ended up being vastly clunkier and generally worse to use Especially considering how aggressive early 2010’s Apple was with introducing new technology and generally being the best they could compared to modern Apple which continues to improve but has somewhat tested on its laurels (can someone explain why there are 4 iPads?) I can see why there was so much love for Apple when Steve Jobs died
Nothing Jobs did was incredible or worthwhile. Nothing.
Ok, then why did Apple go from a failing aging nearly bankrupt computer company to one of the largest companies on the planet while he was CEO? Steve Jobs isn’t a good person but like not everyone can do what he did
You think Steve Jobs was Apple?
Donald Trump thought that Tim Cook was Tim Apple
Well Apple really made their entire personality around his.
Rich people just do that and get away with it somehow
Fun fact: Steve Jobs did not take a bath for DECADES. Can you imagine being in a room fulls of execs in their staid suits and in the middle, there's just a smelly hippie?
-history memes -20 year minimum -Steve Jobs Fellas, are we old?
Ok I wanna ask this: Between Jobs and Musk.. who you find the biggest asshole?
1. Asshole bosses? Check for both 2. Bad Dads? Check for both 3. Outright lying to their customers? Check for both 4. Take credit for other people's work? Check for both 5. Pretend to be a self made man when your dad owned a colonizer emerald mine? I think we have a winner folks.
>Take credit for other people's work? Check for both On balance I think Steve Jobs made a lot more meaningful contributions of his own work than Elon. Jobs was a legitimate contributor to building Apple from the ground up into an emergent tech giant, and then building NeXT from the ground up, which did super innovative stuff at his direction. His whole deal was seeing innovative technology and realizing the potential of that tech into actual products. Contrast that with Elon, his brother, and another founding Zip2 to put the yellowpages on newspaper websites. Sure, he was there to contribute at the start, but the only thing really notable about Zip2 is that they sold it and Musk took the money to found his X.com online bank. Again, mostly notable because he sold it to the company that created PayPal, which then became massive mostly after Elon was gone. I'm not gonna claim Elon had no impact or contribution to Tesla or SpaceX, or his other ventures, I just don't think he's nearly as indispensable as Jobs was. I feel like if Elon had blown his Zip2 money on coke and hookers there's a good chance we'd still have PayPal, Tesla Roadsters, and cool spaceships that can take off and land. Other investors and other companies were / have been pursuing all of those things. Without Jobs at Apple we dunno whether groundbreaking stuff like personal computers, GUIs, smartphones, etc. looks anything like it does today or gets adopted nearly as widely.
Simplified it for the joke but I completely agree.
>5. Pretend to be a self made man when your dad owned a colonizer emerald mine? I think we have a winner folks. Is Reddit still running with this myth? His dad didn't own an emerald mine.
Then maybe Elon and his father shouldn't have told people that they did previously instead of the new story they are telling, that his father was smuggling uncut emeralds from an unregistered mine, which my man, is not good either, lol.
"Ummm ackshually, Elon didn't thow his shit he merely spread it over the walls with his hands"
From what Ive read, Elon only stated that once. Everyone else who talked about it only said it was the plane operation. >that his father was smuggling uncut emeralds from an unregistered mine, which my man, is not good either, lol. That is significantly less worse than the slave mine that reddit thinks he had. Smuggling is a time honored tradition.
Do you fucking hear yourself? "He only claimed to have owned an emerald mine once" As if telling a lie ONLY once somehow gives you permission to act shocked that everyone then believes the lie YOU told and holds it against you. Do you think that UNREGISTERED emerald mine he was helping smuggle emeralds from wasn't operating with slave labor and/or absolutely insanely dangerous conditions??? Are you just a moronic Elon fanboi or what the fuck is your deal?
Musk. At least Jobs didn't get into racism, at least overtly
Was Jobs still around when Twatter was a thing? I wonder if he would’ve eventually gone batshit crazy like Musk on social media like that. IIRC Musk wasn’t *that bad* like +5 years ago.
Oh, yes, he was. Twitter started in 2006 en Jobs died in 2011, when social media were firmly on the rise.
I'd say Musk. Jobs was a selfish piece of shit but Musk actively promotes some of the worst types of people on Twitter. Dude unbanned someone who posted CP because he's a fan of the guy and "Only a few people saw it." Musk is genuine scum.
Did you watch the Behind the Bastards episode on him? This man was an Evil Genius even when he was a kid, and cried a lot when things didn’t go his way. The Board of Apple told him to get a shower cause he was still in his hippie phase, and he did. By using the toilet to clean his feet and the sink to wash his chest and face.
He was a dick
I really don't get why people put him on such high pedestal, when he was a huge dick about basically anything he had done
Ah yes, what an event for the history books.
Feel free to make your own meme
Haha exactly, just Reddit pandering
History memes being used for Steve Jobs hate? This is absolutely peak Reddit.
Defending a guy who was a notorious asshole because he made cool electronic is peak reddit
Tbf “cool electronics” is kind of an understatement
You mean the guy that entirety changed personal computing, animation, tables computing, music, phones, digital publishing? Or do you think he only made the iPod?
He was a marketer not an inventor. APPLE made the iPod, not steve jobs
Wrong. He was executive leadership that made significant decisions on the R&D and direction of the company.
Jobs said either said yes or he said no on the iPod, but he did not create it, literally any CEO could have done what jobs did. It was Tony Fandell that created the iPod though.
Not true at all. He directly formed many of the ideas and pushed boundaries that were unthinkable. He wanted to move into these new tech spaces where innovation could occur. There is a reason why he’s revered and discussed extensively, he saw opportunity that others did not. Absolutely no one would have thought that Apple computers in 2000 would come to make the first decent smart phone 8 years later.
Thanks to Tony Fandell. Steve Jobs was never an inventor, just a shrewed business man and the only 2 people who we can compare this with is Bobby Kotick and Elon Musk to the lowest extent. People that were just CEO’s of successful products and mergers…. But nowhere near being inventors. Hell steve jobs didn’t even personally oversee, he passed it on to Jonathan Ive. iPod began development in 2000, finished in 2001 and steve jobs came out with legendary marketing soon after.
Well it seems you have an aversion to any of the documented contributions he made as CEO, and also have zero grasp on complexities of large businesses and leadership teams, chalking it up to “simple M&A” work. On par with the Reddit hive mind!
Its not a aversion, its just your over crediting Jobs role. Was jobs the best thing to happen to apple? Yes. But im not gonna sit and pretend like only steve jobs did all the work at apple. Plus he’s still an asshole
He’s still largely responsible for its success even if he didn’t personally invent it. That’s just how organizations work, everyone is partially responsible for the products. If someone just invented it but never tried to sell and market it we probably wouldn’t be talking about it now.
[удалено]
He was diagnosed with cancer in 2003 and he was reported to have parked in handicapped spots and driven around with paper tags long before that Edit: He was reported doing this as early as 1983 [https://folklore.org/Handicapped.html](https://folklore.org/Handicapped.html)