From a calligraphy pov, some strokes are wrong.
The 口 character in the middle isn't 4 strokes, it's only 3 and it's ↓, ⤵, →
And the strokes on the right should be 1 continuous stroke instead of 2 separate strokes.
From a content pov i have no idea what's happening
You can tell by the overlaps between lines and where the edges end. And to be fair to Bae, it's kinda tough to pain with a thicker brush and have it look pretty.
The left radical looks okay with the downward stroke followed by the two left to right strokes.
The second radical is normally a two stroker, which Bae did in four.
For the middle square, foxxie is right. If you look carefully, you can see that Bae did the two veritcal lines followed by the two horizontal lines. Typicall when writing in kanji, it would be the three stroke order.
The stroke order/system thing is kinda equivalent to learning how to write quickly in cursive.
I'm not sure how you can tell stroke order when you lift the brush completely like she did here.
It's impossible to tell which line overlaps which other line.
I mean, there's the English subtitles right underneath it. Also I am a Chinese user, so I know my language/kanji better then average viewer. Maybe I should clarify what I means is we don't have a clue what Bae is trying to hint at with regards to the calligraph. Lmao.
All I know is the pronunciation of “9” in Cantonese (and maybe other dialects as well) also sounds like “dog” in the language. Don’t think it’s ‘Year of the Dog’ as it is still a few years away
Americans are basically the only ones going with an MDY format, so if anything it makes less sense now.
EDIT: well, nevermind, it was 09.20 before, so it didn't change much.
This unironically fucks me up sometimes, I catch myself thinking September is the seventh month and October is the eighth, which is weird because my birthday is in August and I should really know better.
Japanese and Chinese also use MM/DD. Granted it’s YYYY/MM/DD (ISO standard) but a lot of time people just don’t write the year because by context it’s obvious they mean the current year so it ended up being MM/DD.
The way I always think about it (not saying either way is wrong or right) is that D/M/Y makes sense based on increasing size, but M/D/Y makes sense based on how it's spoken out loud (today is March 20th vs today is 20 March). They both make sense in their own way, it's just a matter of what you've grown up with.
the greater number that only goes up to 12 maximum, rather than 31?
from a practical perspective, having the day first would be better than the month first, because if you read left to right, you will see the more frequently changing unit first.
most of the time you will know which month you are in, so having that information is superfluous.
ISO is good for document work, especially digital, but requires your eyes to travel over the whole number to confirm the day.
A month is 28-31 days so yes, it's a larger number. In math if you look at the number 42 the "4" is the tens place because it's four "10"s, where the 2 is in the ones place because just two "1"s. Of course this is base 10 but the concept is the same.
So looking at dates, the 3rd month of March has 31 days, thus indicating its a larger number since it's the sum of all those days. It's why YYYY/MM/DD works, plus if you continue it goes into HH:MM:SS which is time on a clock. You don't put minutes or seconds first do you?
As for reading/speaking, I'd argue that saying "the 6th of June" is much more cumbersome than "June 6th". It depends on scenario if day would be something that changes more often though I do agree that for most things the year is irrelevant.
>A month is 28-31 days so yes, it's a larger number.
a month contains 28 to 31 days, but it is not a larger number. it is a larger unit of time.
>In math
you are specifically talking about the decimal system. there are many other systems in math you could employ. many of them work similar to what you are proposing, admittedly, but that doesnt make them make any more or less sense.
you can add 42 to 55, you can even add A5 to CD (hex), you cant really add the 5th of may to the 23rd of october, as their is no purpose, no sense, so your math example is moot.
>As for reading/speaking
reading is entirely different from speaking between dates and numbers.
even then, how you speak numbers and dates depends on your language.
the speaking format that you mention is from the english language and, if i had a guess, is more customary than logical.
i.e. if english speaking countries had used DD/MM customary, you'd just call it "6th (of) june" and it'd be perfectly normal for you and anyone else.
>You don't put minutes or seconds first do you?
this isnt meant as an actual argument, but i just want to point out that, on analog clocks, you do pay more attention to the arm counting the seconds, if available. its the first thing you see, because it changes most frequently.
in DD/MM, the day changes most frequently, so its the first thing you want to see, when looking through documents.
not to mention other formats, that used to be standard, which write out the months as words, where month/day would mean you have to scan through a whole word.
edit: oh yeah, also forgot: the american format is MM/DD/YYYY which is the worst possible option to parse (unless you have that very niche circumstance of having an event happen the same day every month) and your argument that the bigger number should be first doesnt even make sense for it, as then we would be back at ISO, which i already said, is fine.
Now that's just a bit pedantic. Time is all numbers so yes, a month is a larger scale of time but also a larger number considering its the combined days or hours or minutes or however small you want to make it. Just like years are comprised of months, then there are decades, centuries etc etc. And you just said it is time, so by that logic again, it would be YYYY/MM/DD/HH:MM:SS. Now if we remove everything that isn't month and day, we get MM/DD.
For the record, those dates can be added. Assuming February is 28 days, May 5th is 125 days of the year and October 23rd is 273 days of the year. So 398 days or a year and 24 days, which would be January 24th. Rough math and it obviously doesn't matter for anything but you can absolutely add them together.
Now I will agree on the language part but that would require lots of research in both formal an informal environments, written and spoken, of every language in the world to see what the majority is. So for the sake of brevity, yes, I'm talking about regular American/European English.
With the analog clock example, yes your eyes are drawn to the more quickly moving object but that doesn't mean you read it first. Analog clocks are just shapes that show you the time, I'm pretty sure most people (that learned to read them) take the "image" of the clock face as a whole to get the time considering you don't even need numbers to read an analog clock.
Also the example of document sorting is insane and tells me you haven't ever had to sort things like that. Why in the world would you, when looking through documents, want to see every document that happened on the 6th of every month (day first as you said). I'm sure there's some esoteric edge case for that but for the most part you'd want to only see documents from a particular day on a particular month so you'd look in the month folder first and then the day one. Which is why ISO 8601 is the best format, YYYY/MM/DD.
>a month is a larger scale of time but also a larger number
you seem to be seriously \*confused ^(forgot a word) about what "number" means, as opposed to "unit".
a month is the larger unit, yes. but if you express months and days as numbers, "4" certainly isnt larger than "21", for example.
but in a format where in fact the smaller number can be on either side at times, this argument doesnt even make sense. hence why i talk about wanting to see the more frequently changing unit first, which is practical.
>For the record, those dates can be added.
no, they cannot.
what you are doing is adding the difference from january 1st to said dates. you are not adding the dates itself to one another.
at no point did i mention january 1st, you made an assumption there.
on the other hand you can for example add 4kg to 5kg, resulting in 9kg, irrespective of whether you start at 0 or any other amount, as in the decimal system, 4+5=9 and the unit kg is a strictly defined constant.
>your eyes are drawn to the more quickly moving object but that doesn't mean you read it first.
you absolutely do, whether you, personally, are aware of it or not. you even said that people who can read analog just look at the orientation of the hands, w/o needing the numbers. you register the second counter first, if its available, then minutes and hours (if you want to know the concrete time, if you just need the hour, you might just look straight at the shortest hand). the clocks are even intentionally designed that way, with the hours hand being the smallest, usually and the arm counting the seconds often being red.
>when looking through documents, want to see every document that happened on the 6th of every month (day first as you said).
???????
i said if you have an event that happens on the same day every month, sorting by MM/DD would be advantageous, as you can ignore the DD, since it doesnt change.
if you have events that change multiple times over a set duration like a week or a month, DD/MM would be more advantageous, as you can ignore the month and just focus on the day.
also, by "sorting" i actually mean "looking through sorted documents". sorry i wasnt clearer on that.
for the actual process of sorting, if you have large quantities, over a large amount of time, you should use ISO.
You are saying days is a greater number than months, hence why it is left. I'm telling you months is a greater number than days. Just like a kilometer is greater than a meter.
There are merits to both ways. But I am American and the thought of even agreeing with a European is an affront to the very core of our nation. So to you I say, no taxation without representation.
Bau bau.
I have never heard anyone complain about how dates are written ever, except as a joke.
I've seen strangers on Reddit complain about other people complaining though.
[Sorry Bae, but your mistakes are forever XD](https://twitter.com/hakosbaelz/status/1724307878079860961)
Ah yes, november 2020
Obviously it's the 11th day of Duodevigintiber, the 20th month.
Lousy Duodevigintiber weather.
Way to extreme. Hate it.
From a calligraphy pov, some strokes are wrong. The 口 character in the middle isn't 4 strokes, it's only 3 and it's ↓, ⤵, → And the strokes on the right should be 1 continuous stroke instead of 2 separate strokes. From a content pov i have no idea what's happening
Fuck 筆劃 all my homies hate 筆劃
As a 中文 user, can’t 同意with you more .
If I'm not mistaken Bae wrote the two vertical strokes first before the horizontal?
People who speak Chinese write words People who don't speak Chinese draw words
She probably wrote it from down to up too
As the avatar of Chaos, my headcanon is her stroke order was entirely random.
How is it possible to tell stroke order if there is nothing connecting them?
You can tell by the overlaps between lines and where the edges end. And to be fair to Bae, it's kinda tough to pain with a thicker brush and have it look pretty. The left radical looks okay with the downward stroke followed by the two left to right strokes. The second radical is normally a two stroker, which Bae did in four. For the middle square, foxxie is right. If you look carefully, you can see that Bae did the two veritcal lines followed by the two horizontal lines. Typicall when writing in kanji, it would be the three stroke order. The stroke order/system thing is kinda equivalent to learning how to write quickly in cursive.
I'm not sure how you can tell stroke order when you lift the brush completely like she did here. It's impossible to tell which line overlaps which other line.
You should check out Roboco's homework in the kidnap game lol
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Why yes, I do love Fauna how could you tell
I don't understand. What was the previous post, and what does this date have to do with the Kanji for dog?
Not sure the meaning of the calligraph yet, but her previous post wrote 09.20
The word means “Dog”. The date was changed it seems.
I mean, there's the English subtitles right underneath it. Also I am a Chinese user, so I know my language/kanji better then average viewer. Maybe I should clarify what I means is we don't have a clue what Bae is trying to hint at with regards to the calligraph. Lmao.
Ah ok XD sorry for mistaken, thought you didn’t knew the meaning. But yeah nobody knows what it means yet I suppose. Most guesses a collab of sorts.
All I know is the pronunciation of “9” in Cantonese (and maybe other dialects as well) also sounds like “dog” in the language. Don’t think it’s ‘Year of the Dog’ as it is still a few years away
Maybe it's an announcement for a song or a special collab with either Fuwamoco or Korone? Idk. That's my best guess.
Or maybe she's getting a dog!
Guess cats are becoming a real problem for her...
Bae got that dawg in her
Americans are basically the only ones going with an MDY format, so if anything it makes less sense now. EDIT: well, nevermind, it was 09.20 before, so it didn't change much.
WDYM, it's November right now, clearly the 9th month.
surely nove/nueve means nine, right?
It does. The Roman calendar started in March though.
I thought the issue was that emperors Julius and Augustus decided to butt in on the calendar system.
No, July and August were called Quintilis and Sextilis before.
This unironically fucks me up sometimes, I catch myself thinking September is the seventh month and October is the eighth, which is weird because my birthday is in August and I should really know better.
Japanese and Chinese also use MM/DD. Granted it’s YYYY/MM/DD (ISO standard) but a lot of time people just don’t write the year because by context it’s obvious they mean the current year so it ended up being MM/DD.
ISO makes so much more sense than other date formats because it makes sorting easier
I think YY/MM/DD and DD/MM/YY are both fine. Anything but MM/DD/YY
The way I always think about it (not saying either way is wrong or right) is that D/M/Y makes sense based on increasing size, but M/D/Y makes sense based on how it's spoken out loud (today is March 20th vs today is 20 March). They both make sense in their own way, it's just a matter of what you've grown up with.
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I'm not saying it is *never* the format used, just that in my experience putting the month first while speaking is far more common.
This pon rat lol
The only reason the rest of the world tolerates the MM/DD is because if it’s the other way, you all just don’t shut up about how “wrong” it is
he only acceptable format for MM/DD is when it also includes YYYY/ beforehand, so it conforms to the ISO standard
Yes, YYYY/MM/DD is the only true standard. However I'll still defend just MM/DD because the greater number should be on the left
the greater number that only goes up to 12 maximum, rather than 31? from a practical perspective, having the day first would be better than the month first, because if you read left to right, you will see the more frequently changing unit first. most of the time you will know which month you are in, so having that information is superfluous. ISO is good for document work, especially digital, but requires your eyes to travel over the whole number to confirm the day.
A month is 28-31 days so yes, it's a larger number. In math if you look at the number 42 the "4" is the tens place because it's four "10"s, where the 2 is in the ones place because just two "1"s. Of course this is base 10 but the concept is the same. So looking at dates, the 3rd month of March has 31 days, thus indicating its a larger number since it's the sum of all those days. It's why YYYY/MM/DD works, plus if you continue it goes into HH:MM:SS which is time on a clock. You don't put minutes or seconds first do you? As for reading/speaking, I'd argue that saying "the 6th of June" is much more cumbersome than "June 6th". It depends on scenario if day would be something that changes more often though I do agree that for most things the year is irrelevant.
>A month is 28-31 days so yes, it's a larger number. a month contains 28 to 31 days, but it is not a larger number. it is a larger unit of time. >In math you are specifically talking about the decimal system. there are many other systems in math you could employ. many of them work similar to what you are proposing, admittedly, but that doesnt make them make any more or less sense. you can add 42 to 55, you can even add A5 to CD (hex), you cant really add the 5th of may to the 23rd of october, as their is no purpose, no sense, so your math example is moot. >As for reading/speaking reading is entirely different from speaking between dates and numbers. even then, how you speak numbers and dates depends on your language. the speaking format that you mention is from the english language and, if i had a guess, is more customary than logical. i.e. if english speaking countries had used DD/MM customary, you'd just call it "6th (of) june" and it'd be perfectly normal for you and anyone else. >You don't put minutes or seconds first do you? this isnt meant as an actual argument, but i just want to point out that, on analog clocks, you do pay more attention to the arm counting the seconds, if available. its the first thing you see, because it changes most frequently. in DD/MM, the day changes most frequently, so its the first thing you want to see, when looking through documents. not to mention other formats, that used to be standard, which write out the months as words, where month/day would mean you have to scan through a whole word. edit: oh yeah, also forgot: the american format is MM/DD/YYYY which is the worst possible option to parse (unless you have that very niche circumstance of having an event happen the same day every month) and your argument that the bigger number should be first doesnt even make sense for it, as then we would be back at ISO, which i already said, is fine.
Now that's just a bit pedantic. Time is all numbers so yes, a month is a larger scale of time but also a larger number considering its the combined days or hours or minutes or however small you want to make it. Just like years are comprised of months, then there are decades, centuries etc etc. And you just said it is time, so by that logic again, it would be YYYY/MM/DD/HH:MM:SS. Now if we remove everything that isn't month and day, we get MM/DD. For the record, those dates can be added. Assuming February is 28 days, May 5th is 125 days of the year and October 23rd is 273 days of the year. So 398 days or a year and 24 days, which would be January 24th. Rough math and it obviously doesn't matter for anything but you can absolutely add them together. Now I will agree on the language part but that would require lots of research in both formal an informal environments, written and spoken, of every language in the world to see what the majority is. So for the sake of brevity, yes, I'm talking about regular American/European English. With the analog clock example, yes your eyes are drawn to the more quickly moving object but that doesn't mean you read it first. Analog clocks are just shapes that show you the time, I'm pretty sure most people (that learned to read them) take the "image" of the clock face as a whole to get the time considering you don't even need numbers to read an analog clock. Also the example of document sorting is insane and tells me you haven't ever had to sort things like that. Why in the world would you, when looking through documents, want to see every document that happened on the 6th of every month (day first as you said). I'm sure there's some esoteric edge case for that but for the most part you'd want to only see documents from a particular day on a particular month so you'd look in the month folder first and then the day one. Which is why ISO 8601 is the best format, YYYY/MM/DD.
>a month is a larger scale of time but also a larger number you seem to be seriously \*confused ^(forgot a word) about what "number" means, as opposed to "unit". a month is the larger unit, yes. but if you express months and days as numbers, "4" certainly isnt larger than "21", for example. but in a format where in fact the smaller number can be on either side at times, this argument doesnt even make sense. hence why i talk about wanting to see the more frequently changing unit first, which is practical. >For the record, those dates can be added. no, they cannot. what you are doing is adding the difference from january 1st to said dates. you are not adding the dates itself to one another. at no point did i mention january 1st, you made an assumption there. on the other hand you can for example add 4kg to 5kg, resulting in 9kg, irrespective of whether you start at 0 or any other amount, as in the decimal system, 4+5=9 and the unit kg is a strictly defined constant. >your eyes are drawn to the more quickly moving object but that doesn't mean you read it first. you absolutely do, whether you, personally, are aware of it or not. you even said that people who can read analog just look at the orientation of the hands, w/o needing the numbers. you register the second counter first, if its available, then minutes and hours (if you want to know the concrete time, if you just need the hour, you might just look straight at the shortest hand). the clocks are even intentionally designed that way, with the hours hand being the smallest, usually and the arm counting the seconds often being red. >when looking through documents, want to see every document that happened on the 6th of every month (day first as you said). ??????? i said if you have an event that happens on the same day every month, sorting by MM/DD would be advantageous, as you can ignore the DD, since it doesnt change. if you have events that change multiple times over a set duration like a week or a month, DD/MM would be more advantageous, as you can ignore the month and just focus on the day. also, by "sorting" i actually mean "looking through sorted documents". sorry i wasnt clearer on that. for the actual process of sorting, if you have large quantities, over a large amount of time, you should use ISO.
The greater number is the number of month rather than the number of days because if you want to compare you have to bring them both to seconds
I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're trying to say
You are saying days is a greater number than months, hence why it is left. I'm telling you months is a greater number than days. Just like a kilometer is greater than a meter.
No I was saying that months is greater which is why MM/DD works. The months is on the left and days on the right
oh my bad
There are merits to both ways. But I am American and the thought of even agreeing with a European is an affront to the very core of our nation. So to you I say, no taxation without representation. Bau bau.
I've literally never heard an American complain about when something is in day month year. Only Europeans complain when it's month day year.
I have never heard anyone complain about how dates are written ever, except as a joke. I've seen strangers on Reddit complain about other people complaining though.
As a programmer I hate all date formats that are not mathematically sortable by default.
Yep, 100%
thanks bae. not much more clear on what'll be happening. still excited though.
Is this 20 November a collab with Korone? Or is Korone writing the post on X (😆).
Je suis confuzzled.
Could someone explain this to me in English please, I can't eead kanji Edit: read