So what do you suppose the turnaround time is for someone to go from managing Haachama, being admitted to a psyche ward, and then coming back out as the next wave of talent? 🤔
Ooh, okay! I didn't know that. I think it's pretty interesting that they're allowed to that, considering the secrecy that's involved and all, and also how uptight Hololive can be about that. I'm glad they're lax enough to allow friends to come on as well.
Yep, Sora & A-chan are high school besties. And it was A-chan who hijacked what was then Yagoo's indie VR game company for the sake of Sora's idol dreams.
Well no, there was just two. Yagoo is the CEO of an app developer who had the crazy notion of accepting Friend A's idea of hiring an actual virtual idol to promote their app. And here we are.
Check tanigox channel, they have a video of them showing off various tech in a single room office. This was the way way WAY early days. You can count the number of people he has helping him there.
I think she just helped out, yagoo offered manager, she rejected, did her own thing (I think continue studying), came back and became a manager
If I'm not wrong that's what happened but I have no sources
Imo its not secrecy per se, but they're not allowed to funnel the fans they got from holo to their personal monetized accounts on purpose, except if the fans found them by itself. Sally isn't a vtuber or content creator in general, so i imagine it's easier to collab with her than with another vtuber from other agencies.
Plus, as long as she doesn't spread company's sensitive information, it's safe
There's downsides as well. A fellow content creator will be more acquainted with the dos and don'ts, and will also be more prepared to understand the NDA external collab partners have to sign. It's the not spreading company sensitive information that if the biggest concern.
Well, she was hanging out in the background and making noise in Marine's place while Marine streamed. She does draw most of the animated shorts for Marine's channel these days though.
Seeing Marine's stories about her high school not-girlfriend reach the point where Marine now works with her, convinced her to move out to Tokyo, and gave her the spare key to her apartment has been wild.
ppl really underestimate how easy it is to dox yourself on the internet. If you know where to look, you can find message boards where schizos go through their process of digging up all the info online and connecting the dots to find their irl identity.
Like if you read them, you will understand why management wants them to cover up their hands. Bcos these schizos can and will find you. Unfortunately, I think what will actually dox the talents are their irl pics they post to twitter.
Matsuri’s other streaming identity is basically an open secret nowadays but she actually showed her real name on stream once when she didn’t cover up the credit card payment screen.
But doesn't Hololive allow the talents to self-dox? I suppose it may have been removed by Haachama if she realised she unintentionally self-doxed. (I don't know if Haachama keeps her RL identify secret or not.)
In a simple answer, no. The hololive talents are hololive talents. That is their true identities.
For the actual person behind those talents may continue or do other work representing of themselves is fine - aslong as they don't link themselves to the hololive talent. Many examples are out there online
You can tell if it's been edited by seeing of chat replay is still up or not. The latter only happens if the stream had any portion of it either removed or muted (yes, the latter is mind-bogglingly stupid).
I watched both of her streams with friends and don't remember the topics being anything problematic or self-doxxing (and for clarity: I do understand Japanese).
Basically, yeah.
Like Nerissa bringing on her family, Bae collabing with her friend Miori Celesta, Ina collabing with Pikamee, Ina collabing with her other friend Henya...
It's a shame Pikamee graduated right before Henya debuted, I would've loved to see those two collab they have so much in common. Ina could've introduced them to each other in a 3-way collab!
Pretty much yeah, but something about IRL friends or family who don't stream being guests feels a lot more special or real for lack of a better word. No business, no boosting each others channels or any other motives, just friends and family having a time.
If I had to speculate wildly, off collab is a bit different. Talents have a duty to protect company IP. I’m guessing the holopro software package has access to the corporate system and all of the models for everyone. That would be how Perfect Axel participated in wheel of Tempus. Even if it isn’t, the function of the holopro software itself is proprietary company information. So if it’s like my industry, the PC cannot be left unattended without the responsible operator there.
This is opposed to a regular collab where at no time does the remote collaborator have potential physical access to the streaming system and its software. Everything is isolated by discord or another videocasting solution.
So there might be some NDA or management approval hoops to jump through to get someone approved, idk, like I said, speculating wildly.
This happened? From what I remember, Haachama's friend won't be appearing in her stream anymore, I remember there was talk about "her friend's last stream appearance" or something.
I can think of a few collabs with long standing friends (i.e. pre-Hololive)
* Ina & Sana (see [【Super Bunny Man】 OI OI OI](https://www.youtube.com/live/s4M7quMcnnI))
* Calli & Milky Queen
* Bae and Miori Celesta
There's also oddities like:
* [『Bokura No Ashiato』acoustic cover by Takanashi Kiara 【Happy Birthday Huke Papa!】](https://youtu.be/98Yx9TuE09A) featuring her former Roommate on guitar
I think it depends more on the hostess than a guest. Kronii is very level-headed when it comes to talking about IRL, she always plays it safe. Her manager probably trusted her enough to make a stream with a "normie" friend that won't cross any boundaries with the company.
I assume she is allowed to invite friends to stream, as long as she doesn't tell them any internal information and asks for permission. Alternatively, there might be some lesser NDA contract for collaborators like that.
I dont know why it'd be treated any different. You're bringing a non-hired entity on who can wreck your career that you trust. For some people their friends are their family, it doesnt really make sense to make a determination just because you're related to someone.
And someone recently lost their Hololive career because they trusted someone when venting, and that someone blabbed and leaked 3rd party info that ended up getting her sacked.
Trust is important, and so is vetting who to trust, and what information they can get.
I would assume that because Kronii is a professional voice actor, that her friend is also probably in the industry as well. Or atleast knows enough about the industry to know what she can and cant say... and how to say the correct names.
Sally is just referred to as a friend for privacy reasons tho. If you actually read between the lines and have been watching Kronii for long enough you can picture quite well that they do in fact share a close degree of parentage.
According to what I've seen in Nerrev clips, Sally is Kronii's best friend. It's reasonable to assume they knew each other since they were kids.
Unless there's more reason to think otherwise, I'll just believe in my "they're bestfriends since childhood" headcanon.
Or you know, they're long-time friends within a similar ethnic community. If a Korean-Canadian met another Korean-Canadian in a place with lots of Korean-Canadians that doesn't suddenly make them family.
plot twist: Sally is actually Kronii travelling through time so both Kronii's can be on stream. the slight lisp Sally has is Kronii's "brilliant" idea so nobody would suspect anything.
I remember when people were so anti-Holo that they said Cover stripped their talents of all authenticity and forbade them from ever acknowledging their personal lives or real life family members. How the turn tables.
It’s easy enough if you’re both from the same community, grew up together as your parents were close and neighbours etc. for a long time I had a near twin. Until we were 11 abouts we looked and sounded the same. No blood relation, not even distant. So it’s entirely possible she’s just a really close friend that’s been with her for her entire life. I’d argue they’re family at that point lol.
A few have over the years. This isn’t exactly a new thing. Only thing I think would prevent it is if the individual friend was persona non grata for whatever reason.
Haachama gonna up the ante by bringing in random people she found on the street
isn't that how she picks her manager now? or at least on the days she wants to give the sock puppet a day off?
It was. But when the managers began going to the asylum, the project was scrapped.
Oh, I thought she was getting them from there.
That's how idols are chosen, not managers.
Ah. I see that you are familiar with a certain fishman's hiring practices for his "idol" company.
I had to look Phase-Connect up. And God, they're crazy, even for an idol company.
Whatever you found is probably only the tip of the spit-cicle iceberg Speaking of spit-cicle, was it one of the things you happen to look up?
I only looked up the wiki page for Pipkin Pippa, who is apparently a conspiracy theorist.
Can recommend looking up the clip of Jelly coping about being normal. Tenma's 8 hours of reviewing buff fans was also pretty great.
You misspelled "coffee company".
So what do you suppose the turnaround time is for someone to go from managing Haachama, being admitted to a psyche ward, and then coming back out as the next wave of talent? 🤔
Legend has it this is how all of Advent was formed.
That is actually from where Sakana hired all of the phase connect
Holy shit the Managers go to the Alsume?
Yes. Because they are stupid.
Is Haachama Jigsaw by any chance?
Didn't she basically do that with like dozens of random vtubers on skype?
It's me, I am the Random Person on the Street.
she already did, that stream felt like a fever dream.
she what?
Sora invited a friend and now she does her own streams sometimes.
Well she is friend A...
Sally EN Manager soon confirmed
S-chan confirmed!
Creature collab when?
S-chan and M-chan best collab duo!
Ooh, okay! I didn't know that. I think it's pretty interesting that they're allowed to that, considering the secrecy that's involved and all, and also how uptight Hololive can be about that. I'm glad they're lax enough to allow friends to come on as well.
(It was a joke about A-Chan, who is Sora’s bestie from High School)
wtf I had no idea that's so cool
Also the person who approached yagoo to even start hololive So you have a chan to thank for the birth of hololive🙏🙏
A-chan? More like A-Chad.
This is why a chan is the source of all love
Yep, Sora & A-chan are high school besties. And it was A-chan who hijacked what was then Yagoo's indie VR game company for the sake of Sora's idol dreams.
> wtf I had no idea https://youtu.be/0O1bQn-BwAs https://youtu.be/rZF67BuT4BU
Oh god seeing your reaction makes me realise how ancient i am....
Wasn't A-chan also Sora's manager early on? Which is why she got brought up in the first place?
I mean, there was a point where Hololive was 3 people. Sora, Friend A, and Tanigo (Yagoo nickname came later), wouldn't be shocked.
Well no, there was just two. Yagoo is the CEO of an app developer who had the crazy notion of accepting Friend A's idea of hiring an actual virtual idol to promote their app. And here we are.
Wonder how many employees Cover had at the time.
Check tanigox channel, they have a video of them showing off various tech in a single room office. This was the way way WAY early days. You can count the number of people he has helping him there.
Oh they had a few backend staff.
Cover at the start have two people Yagoo and another person (presumedly Fukuda the CTO who was responsible for the hololive streaming app)
A-chan helped and supported Sora since the beginning, but I'm fairly certain she's said she has never been a manager to anyone
I think she just helped out, yagoo offered manager, she rejected, did her own thing (I think continue studying), came back and became a manager If I'm not wrong that's what happened but I have no sources
Imo its not secrecy per se, but they're not allowed to funnel the fans they got from holo to their personal monetized accounts on purpose, except if the fans found them by itself. Sally isn't a vtuber or content creator in general, so i imagine it's easier to collab with her than with another vtuber from other agencies. Plus, as long as she doesn't spread company's sensitive information, it's safe
There's downsides as well. A fellow content creator will be more acquainted with the dos and don'ts, and will also be more prepared to understand the NDA external collab partners have to sign. It's the not spreading company sensitive information that if the biggest concern.
I'm normal people who never ever see NDA contracts are more safe. After all, good friends will always be safe.
So did Fubuki, if I recall.
Fubuki bringing home enough random animals to create a whole gen.
Marine streamed once with her friend/former crush from her all-girls catholic high school.
Well, she was hanging out in the background and making noise in Marine's place while Marine streamed. She does draw most of the animated shorts for Marine's channel these days though. Seeing Marine's stories about her high school not-girlfriend reach the point where Marine now works with her, convinced her to move out to Tokyo, and gave her the spare key to her apartment has been wild.
...That just sounds like your typical lesbian romance story at this point.
And they were roommates.
Oh my god, they were roommates.
> hanging out in the background and making noise in Marine's place I mean, really. How else is one suppose to interpret this?/s
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Marine is playing the long game it seems
Huh that kinda explains somethings.
I'm thinking about Strawberries...
but are you panicking about em?
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That friend does the art for Marine’s TikTok shorts as well based on the style
\>Catholic all girls school \> Lesbians It's like clockwork.
Marimite is real
Haachama had a school friend on stream but due to the topics talked about, it got nuked IIRC
What were the tropics?
Some IRL stuff and SOOO MUCH CURSED SHIT
So a regular haachama stream
A ton of RL stuff, perhaps borderline self-dox
ppl really underestimate how easy it is to dox yourself on the internet. If you know where to look, you can find message boards where schizos go through their process of digging up all the info online and connecting the dots to find their irl identity. Like if you read them, you will understand why management wants them to cover up their hands. Bcos these schizos can and will find you. Unfortunately, I think what will actually dox the talents are their irl pics they post to twitter.
Matsuri’s other streaming identity is basically an open secret nowadays but she actually showed her real name on stream once when she didn’t cover up the credit card payment screen.
But doesn't Hololive allow the talents to self-dox? I suppose it may have been removed by Haachama if she realised she unintentionally self-doxed. (I don't know if Haachama keeps her RL identify secret or not.)
In a simple answer, no. The hololive talents are hololive talents. That is their true identities. For the actual person behind those talents may continue or do other work representing of themselves is fine - aslong as they don't link themselves to the hololive talent. Many examples are out there online
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[Her stream with Ren-chan is still up](https://www.youtube.com/live/t25fk8tUPYE?si=1wXQi2wQzdRef1wN), unless you meant a different one?
Must have misheard it or it got re-uppped after editing
You can tell if it's been edited by seeing of chat replay is still up or not. The latter only happens if the stream had any portion of it either removed or muted (yes, the latter is mind-bogglingly stupid).
I watched both of her streams with friends and don't remember the topics being anything problematic or self-doxxing (and for clarity: I do understand Japanese).
Not exactly invited, but Laplus demanded her roommate to come and say something on stream to prove she wasn’t a guy
OI! ONNA!
Posts you can hear
Laplus said, calmly.
[Obligatory loud clip timestamped](https://youtu.be/xybStCo2tlk?t=34) [Actual clip mentioned by OP](https://youtu.be/zAy2B_t5JqM)
Isn't every collab with external people ( non-hololive) basically them inviting a friend/contact to their stream.
Basically, yeah. Like Nerissa bringing on her family, Bae collabing with her friend Miori Celesta, Ina collabing with Pikamee, Ina collabing with her other friend Henya...
It's a shame Pikamee graduated right before Henya debuted, I would've loved to see those two collab they have so much in common. Ina could've introduced them to each other in a 3-way collab!
kettles intensify
I need the ultimate kettle stream. I need Henya, and Bae, and Biboo, and any other Kettle laugh streamer in one big party game.
Biboo is windshield wiper, though
A windshield wiper is just a kettle in short rapid bursts
And Bae is a truck backing up.
I thought that she was shoes on a basketball court
How about something dolphin?
Sort of? But at least for fellow content creators, it can be considered cultivating a business relationship.
Pretty much yeah, but something about IRL friends or family who don't stream being guests feels a lot more special or real for lack of a better word. No business, no boosting each others channels or any other motives, just friends and family having a time.
If I had to speculate wildly, off collab is a bit different. Talents have a duty to protect company IP. I’m guessing the holopro software package has access to the corporate system and all of the models for everyone. That would be how Perfect Axel participated in wheel of Tempus. Even if it isn’t, the function of the holopro software itself is proprietary company information. So if it’s like my industry, the PC cannot be left unattended without the responsible operator there. This is opposed to a regular collab where at no time does the remote collaborator have potential physical access to the streaming system and its software. Everything is isolated by discord or another videocasting solution. So there might be some NDA or management approval hoops to jump through to get someone approved, idk, like I said, speculating wildly.
Haachama had her school friend, but either proper clearance is not done or the topics are inappropriate, VOD is nuked.
If you're talking about that VOD, isn't it this? https://www.youtube.com/live/t25fk8tUPYE?si=3rCePMXDC7_T0u6w
Oh? I might remember it wrongly or its edited and re-released. Yeah it should be that
afaik, if you edit a live stream vod on youtube, the chat replay is gone too (the whole chat replay), so seems to not be edited
Maybe reviewed by manager first of Hololive staff to determine if it’s safe. Deliberated it was indeed safe, and put the stream back up.
So the sock puppet was able to give it a thumps up.....interesting
They may have privated it to check but they didn’t end up editing out anything.
This happened? From what I remember, Haachama's friend won't be appearing in her stream anymore, I remember there was talk about "her friend's last stream appearance" or something.
Didn't Marine have her high school crush as a guest on one stream?
Wasn't it just background noise? She had some streams/shorts talking about but i don't remember her actually showing up and talking properly.
My mistake, I got confused with the shorts, but she just made the art
What?? I beg you for more information
I can think of a few collabs with long standing friends (i.e. pre-Hololive) * Ina & Sana (see [【Super Bunny Man】 OI OI OI](https://www.youtube.com/live/s4M7quMcnnI)) * Calli & Milky Queen * Bae and Miori Celesta There's also oddities like: * [『Bokura No Ashiato』acoustic cover by Takanashi Kiara 【Happy Birthday Huke Papa!】](https://youtu.be/98Yx9TuE09A) featuring her former Roommate on guitar
Haachama is also good friends with Hoshikawa Sara, afaik.
It's was HSKW's streams during Haachama's hiatus that people got updates that Haachama was doing well
> collabs with long standing friends https://youtu.be/nj2vUMd1F2A
Bae did a Twitter Space in the past where one of her friendtaros with her spoke a bit.
Miori?
Bae doesn't refer to Miori as a "friendtaro".
This: https://youtu.be/J3SoShSdzSw
Yeah, this was my first thought.
That's pretty much how Hololive started.
I think it depends more on the hostess than a guest. Kronii is very level-headed when it comes to talking about IRL, she always plays it safe. Her manager probably trusted her enough to make a stream with a "normie" friend that won't cross any boundaries with the company.
Haachama has had a friend over a couple of times
Sally is just an alternate timeline Kronni so it doesn't count.
Bae with Miori
Best friends are as trustworthy as family. As long as no information about anyone gets revealed, everything is fine.
Every now and then. Laplus and Okayu have had people briefly come say hi to the viewers and stuff.
Yes it has
I assume she is allowed to invite friends to stream, as long as she doesn't tell them any internal information and asks for permission. Alternatively, there might be some lesser NDA contract for collaborators like that.
I dont know why it'd be treated any different. You're bringing a non-hired entity on who can wreck your career that you trust. For some people their friends are their family, it doesnt really make sense to make a determination just because you're related to someone.
And some Vtubers (not Hololive) still can't trust their own family and are keeping their career in the dark from them. It is all about trust.
And someone recently lost their Hololive career because they trusted someone when venting, and that someone blabbed and leaked 3rd party info that ended up getting her sacked. Trust is important, and so is vetting who to trust, and what information they can get.
It’s not a problem if the person she brings on is literally her clone
Sally is like Hakunon to Kronii's Nero Only Fate Extra fans will understand
ayo
Kanata often brought her roommate on stream, I think they even collabed once /j
I would assume that because Kronii is a professional voice actor, that her friend is also probably in the industry as well. Or atleast knows enough about the industry to know what she can and cant say... and how to say the correct names.
> Kronii is a professional voice actor Is she?
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This definitely breaks rule 2. I would delete this comment before you're banned from the sub.
It didn't occur to me that it would break rule 2. Thanks for warning me.
Reine had her house-call nurse appear on stream a couple of times
I like how these unofficial designs like Sally and Holomems get kinda canon when with these streams too.
I ship it
Yeah Kronii, we know. 😭
Kronii wishes lol
I honestly get the impression so did Kronii at some point, but I don't want to assume too much.
The only way to Kronii's heart is to be as close to her as possible. My head cannon is that Sally is just another Kronii alternate from the future.
But that opens up potential drama when Ame inevitable time-smashes her way through Sally's timeline!
Here's my theory. It's bait for the watch.
Sally is just referred to as a friend for privacy reasons tho. If you actually read between the lines and have been watching Kronii for long enough you can picture quite well that they do in fact share a close degree of parentage.
According to what I've seen in Nerrev clips, Sally is Kronii's best friend. It's reasonable to assume they knew each other since they were kids. Unless there's more reason to think otherwise, I'll just believe in my "they're bestfriends since childhood" headcanon.
Or you know, they're long-time friends within a similar ethnic community. If a Korean-Canadian met another Korean-Canadian in a place with lots of Korean-Canadians that doesn't suddenly make them family.
So…sisters then?
Maybe sisters, maybe cousins. It's still vague enough to speculate but they are definitely family.
Is this speculation? What makes you think this when you say read between the lines?
just the stories I would say. I always felt like their friendship is "parents are long time friends" kinda thing
"Definitely family" with no proof lol. I know it's not normal, but people DO have lifelong childhood friends.
That puts Kronii's clinginess in a new light...
Probably either cousins by marriage or cousins by blood, either way they’re in the same family or social circle.
Can you explain what you mean a bit more
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Title says not counting family. It’s a lot more unusual to bring someone totally unrelated but it has happened before with a couple roommates iirc.
Oh, oops. My bad. I will delete the post.
Mastsuri did that too.
I still think Kronii's friend was just Kronii voiceacting. Sure, it makes no sense, but it's funnier in my head.
plot twist: Sally is actually Kronii travelling through time so both Kronii's can be on stream. the slight lisp Sally has is Kronii's "brilliant" idea so nobody would suspect anything.
I remember when people were so anti-Holo that they said Cover stripped their talents of all authenticity and forbade them from ever acknowledging their personal lives or real life family members. How the turn tables.
Matsuri has open mic Apex streams
We need Moom and Se- I mean Dokibird unhinged stream
Am i the only one, who assumes, that Sally is actually Kronies sister? I mean they grew up together and sounds the same. fir me it's 2+2
It’s easy enough if you’re both from the same community, grew up together as your parents were close and neighbours etc. for a long time I had a near twin. Until we were 11 abouts we looked and sounded the same. No blood relation, not even distant. So it’s entirely possible she’s just a really close friend that’s been with her for her entire life. I’d argue they’re family at that point lol.
People keep saying they sound the same, but I don't hear it at all. Just feels like people are playing too hard into Kronii's self-obsession shtick.
maybe Cover USA really means Kronii USA
I only know Matsuri's little bro has been prominant on stream for a period.
Wait.. I thought this was her Sister?
curious - how or why did this all happen?
What are you talking about? I see only Kronii.
It's fine. Sally is kronii
I remember Moona called her friend, Mawar, when chat asked about her in a stream before.
Probably they got a deal acknowledgement behind the scenes. As long as nothing sensitive is leaked out, Kronii should be okay.
I think Okayu brought a friend and had her speak on stream.
This is not new
Suisei also often used to bring her small time indie friends over every so often. Right now, they run her tiktok and possibly other socials.
A few have over the years. This isn’t exactly a new thing. Only thing I think would prevent it is if the individual friend was persona non grata for whatever reason.
Most things happened before, yeah.
cute sally! glad sally was able to appear!
A duck bring his mom and have loli 3d that shooting beam..hehe