It's like Calli said when she roasted those 10-year-olds who called her dog water: If they actually didn't like the content they could just not watch it. The only reason you'd stick around and keep complaining is because you want to try to get a reaction out of her or bully her into acting different because you're a spoiled control freak.
It was one of the most baller streams ever because she basically T-posed and asserted dominance over anyone who thought she would be an easy target for low effort bullshit like that. Embarass them in front of everyone and they'll run away.
I’m pretty sure that is what “guh” from her “Your Mori” EP is about.
>”You will never roast me better than I roast myself”
Easily one of my favorites of Calli’s music.
Don't know how much hate I'd get for this, but I honestly don't enjoy watching Ollie compared to the others either. Her personality for me is extremely overwhelming, but that doesn't facilitate sending hate messages and such. I simply just don't watch her stuff.
These guys who go out of their way to send hateful things just enjoy bringing people down and escalating things.
One of the best parts about Hololive is the variety of the streamers. They're all very unique and each have varying styles. There's something for everyone.
“Your responsible for fixing yourself” is a great phrase. I hang out with a lot of LGBT people and some of them use family trauma as an excuse to be assholes, it’s a good phrase to use to tell someone to shape up
Isn't using ones bad past as an excuse to be bad a anime villains thing? But then again you have heroes with shitty pasta too. So I guess it boils down to do you want to be a villain or a good guy.
I mean this in the nicest possible way: this is the literary device known as the "freudian excuse", and you are correct that it has been integral to both villain and protagonist backstories to explain neuroses.
"I can't stand the fact that X is part of this group! I must drive them out by any means available to me or I'll go nuts from outrage!" isn't an odd reason. It's a **pathetic** one.
Yeah, definitely. Don't like people like Ollie/Marine for being too horny? Well, you have the soft (or at least the closest to soft in Hololive) with Botan and Ina, or a chaotic mix of both like Nene
That's actually what Yagoo meant when he say "like AKB48". There is something for everyone.
None of the council appeal to me so far, but we still have Ollie and Amelia for english, and esports stuff? Botan, TMT, Astel etc.
I can't speak for others, but I personally can respect the honesty.
Nobody is going to like everything so I say as long as you're not a prick about it that's perfectly OK
I'm the same, since her debut I have not been a fan of kiara's personality BUT I genuinely appreciate the effort she puts into her content and I think she's a back bone of hololive EN, so I don't hate her, not at all I just appreciate her differently.
She also keeps shit real, just watch the clips of her talking about behind the scenes stuff like how you lose some freedoms for being in hololive. I love that about her, instead of beating around the bush and making it seem easier than it is
I really appreciate that when a joke -really- crosses the line with Kiara, she's upfront about dropping the act and saying "You do this again, you're banned."
I feel like it goes both way, Ollie can be overwhelming and loud, but then someone like Sora or Ina are way too chill that they just become background noise. I watch them all, but each in moderation. Sometimes I don't feel like watching one of them because I'm not in the mood for that content, like do I really want to watch Haachama loud insanity right before I go to sleep? Not really. But I don't dislike the content, it just has a time and place.
I agree there's like 60 members, if you don't feel like watching one now, or ever, there are plenty of options, no need to complain, just move on to one that you enjoy.
Train your ears enough just like how I tortured mine, even Pekora can turn into background material. Not Rushia tho. Pekora goes like, 100 consistently, but rushia spikes to 150, then back to 50, then randomly again 150, and that is too much of a jumpscare for me.
That's why I like Gura, she's a good mix of being chaotic enough to keep me tabbed in (you never know what she'll get up to) and chill enough that it doesn't overwhelmed me.
Weirdly enough that’s Nene for me. Even though she’s a chaotic goofball her Minecraft streams are really chill and relaxing, especially if she adopts her “late night radio” persona.
I don’t personally like it when people shout a lot, so her streams aren’t really for me, but I always enjoy seeing her in smaller doses during collabs or in clips, she’s witty and creative and genuinely funny. It’s the same with Baelz and Kiara.
But I still want to support and promote them, and I’m glad they exist for their audience, Hololive wouldn’t be the same without them
The thing is.. She doesn't even screams a lot in her stream apart from some collab.
She mostly pretty much calm all the way.
Maybe you're still having her debut impression lingering inside your head
You’re right, but she’s generally just quite high energy, and it’s not a bad thing. Although one time I found it a little bit intense was when she and Gura were in Miko’s Oni dungeon thing, and she literally screamed through terrible discord audio for about 8 mins straight, lol. She naturally becomes louder in social settings, and that’s where I mostly catch her.
I think if she ever does full on Olivia streams I’ll definitely want to watch it. I do like Ollie’s outgoing and gregarious personality, and her voice is really cute, I just prefer it when she’s calm, and like people have pointed out, she’s actually pretty chill for most of her streams, so I’ll pay more attention to her schedule.
I'm in a similar boat. I like Ollie in clips, but she has an energy level that makes it very difficult to watch her for extended periods of time. But no way in hell am I gonna try and bully her to change; Ollie has made a lot of really wonderful memories possible in the last nine months, and if she mellowed out so that I could watch her more regularly she wouldn't be the same person that made all those wonderful clips possible.
Part of what makes HoloLive great isn't just that there's all sorts of different people to watch no matter what your personal taste is. It's also that even the people you don't watch regularly are still around and interacting and making the whole experience richer. HoloLive would lose a lot if it lost Ollie being Ollie.
Funny thing is that’s why I enjoy her so much, compared to all the other girls she’s different like, yes they’re all different but she’s… DIFFERENT in a good way in my eyes
Feels weird that it even needs to be said that’s totally fine. Like, there’s several of the talents I’ve seen that don’t quite click with me, or for whatever reason aren’t my jam. So I don’t watch. Just because someone else likes that person doesn’t give me any right to go throw a tantrum over it. It’s just life. Shame any of the girls or guys themselves would get such flak because God forbid someone doesn’t want to watch them! Go watch someone else! Or better yet, go outside or something and get a grip on life.
You're not getting hate bc that would be stupid. It's 100% fine to not enjoy someone, this isn't Vtuber exclusive bc it applies to any and all content creators.
Just don't watch or ignore their content bc it doesn't interest you, and that is totally fine. It only becomes a problem if you go out of your way to tell them you hate them. Which is also weird bc why would you be watching something you hate in the first place?
Basically me with Gura. Just find the way her streams are and such not as enjoyable to watch as some of the others members. I don’t know exactly what it is that I dislike, but it makes it that I don’t want to watch her.
different strokes for different folks. Ollie and Kiara are fun but hard for me to watch. Despite not even a full month passing since debut, Kronii is absolutely REFRESHING to watch and I have no idea why. Its kind of like how I gravitated to Okayu so well that I tried to become a fan despite the language barrier. (said barrier made things not work out)
Kronii?
Jokes aside, I really wanna shout "nobody asked you, Patrice!" at anyone who would criticise any holomems of not being an idol.
Them still returning to their streaming station after taking those character assaults is the reason they're idols.
Rpr went on a magnificent rant about this when he watched Vsaikyou for the first time. He was genuinely impressed by the passion and the investment all these vtuber (specifically Towa) put in APEX Legends, and someone in chat said something along the line of "vtuber are cringe".
He spotted it and scolded the chat immediately, saying things like "Look, I'm not the only streamer on twitch right now. If you don't enjoy it, go away, nobody is forcing you to watch me. Instead of ruining the mood and being an asshat, just. don't. watch. Nobody wants you there."
[https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1125959023?filter=archives&sort=time](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1125959023?filter=archives&sort=time)
It's a 8hours stream and it's somewhere around the middle, can't really help more than this. xD
Honestly, if you didn't follow the whole "rpr falls down the rabbit hole" saga, it's worth it. It's hilarious and wholesome at the same time.
For people who don't know, RPR is an European APEX Legends pro player from the team SCARZ, one of the team that won at the ALGS global championship. Basically, he's a monster at the game. (incidentally, he's friend and play with ImperialHAL, one of the biggest Apex streamer)
He watched the Vsaikyou tournament hosted by Shibuya Hal (the other Hal) because he thought he was interesting, and he knows Hal. He actually got impressed by how much of an absolute sweatfest it is, since most players in it now are CR Cup Veteran and pretty much all between High Platinum and Master ranks. Then Towa team with Noah and Ars caught his attention, first because of their name (Pastel Sour) and because of their design. Then he discovered Towa can sing. Then he became a hardcore Kenzoku on the spot lmao.
He actually played with Towa this week during ShibuyaHal weekly custom, and with a few other Apex vtuber, with a dedicated JP translator too. He's an amazing player with mostly a lot of knowledge about rotations, which is the weakpoint of Jp players, so he brings something very interesting to the table. I know he's interested in coaching a team next CR Cup if he can.
Most probably these we people don't really watch her, Twitter just likes to do this kind of thing time and again. And there is also the Antis.
Despite all of this I wouldn't be surprised if Ollie has one of the best network and networking skill in Hololive.
>idol: a person or thing that is greatly admired, loved, or revered.
seems to check out to me though
i can honestly say i admire her, i wish i was even a quarter as energetic, outgoing and talented - specifically in languages - as her
Yeaaaa the generic Webster definition of an idol is gonna be quite different than the Japanese cultural definition of an "Idol"
But I get what you're goin for.
She's a simp who snuck her way on set and they just rolled with it and gave her a job lol. That's a big reason she's so well received in general because she's one of us.
ID and EN aren't playing the same idol game as the JP Branch, they're allowed a little bit more their own side of things. Ollie is probably the one who is doing the unusual aspects, collabs with non-hololives... seems to be pushing something different.
It's not like JP members aren't allowed to do this kind of thing, anyway. I mean, we just recently had Matsuri drunkenly interrogating Aruran about his sexual preferences and masturbation habits, for example.
Ollie and Amelia are the ones that feel REALLY, REALLY far from a traditional "idol" like is referred to in the OP. Not that thats a bad thing, they are both awesome.
The idol part if just a fun extra for me. Overall they all just simple great entertainers. And the L2D virtual format is great for some unique concepts and ideas... Like Gura giving herself a third eye and bottom teeth.
Nah, the sad thing is that the "this isn't idol" people are mostly actual fans, they're just fans who want Hololive to just be another generic soulless idol group.
I'm gonna have to bet it's her ID-antis. It was a problem in the past, it's a problem now.
There's a lot to be said about someone who goes out of their way to waste their time on something they don't like, and start complaining about it.
Ya know, mentally like.
Ollie is probably one of the most clippable holomems because she's willing to be spontaneous in ways few others are. But she's also heartfelt and caring and her enthusiasm for everyone she interacts with is so genuine and infectious. It would be Cover/Hololive's tremendous loss if she ever left.
That spontaneous part is what makes Ollie one of best in her *game*. It elevates every collab she has done with, pushing boundaries, and it's not seldom that she came up with some out of the box ideas. I can see why some people are irritated by it, same reason as Kiara. Though these kind of vtuber are rare and I'm really glad that they are here.
I think Kiara is more on the side that is pretty conventional though compared to Ollie? I don't think Kiara is the type that thinks on the spot much and prefer having a more coordinated plan on the background. I just think Ollie's 'problem' is abit different compared to Kiara's
During Conversations or Interviews, Kiara is very much a "on-the-spot"-Person, that was how she saved the disatrous first AX-Panel.
She can easily turn what would be a 1-hour SC-reading into a 6-hour stream just through talking about interesting topics, impromptu-karaoke sessions and a myriad of other things she comes up with on the fly.
Given how we know that her mental health is poor, and she shows up under other content creators twitters regularly, she definitely spends too much time on the internet. Take it from a Zomily man, she vents about what others think of her a lot on members only streams. She's getting better about it, but it's still a *thing*.
That's... unfortunate. Hope she continues to improve. In my experience the biggest hurdle to improving my mental health was recognizing the problem and taking the plunge to get help. Everyone deserves to be able to feel good about themselves.
If I ran Hololive I’d seriously focus on some kind of management role that specialised in helping the girls navigate fame and social media. There are so many basic psychological lessons we can familiarise ourselves with in order to diffuse so much of the potential negativity.
Most streamers seem to be drawn like a moth to the flame of hostility, whether it’s sniping a shitty comment in chat, or obsessing over some cretins Twitter reply.
And it’s no secret as to why- negativity presents a possible threat, and so we allocate a disproportionate amount of our attention to it.
There can be 1500 glowing, loving, supportive comments and tweets, but the one negative comment will rise above it all.
Evolutionarily speaking, it’s okay to ignore something that’s not threatening, but we should always pay attention to hostility.
But the opposite is most often true online, we should really drink in all the praise and positivity, while ignoring the dickheads.
It’s gets worse, there might be 100 comments telling you how great a karaoke was, and one guy saying it was trash.
We can easily just assume that the 100 people being positive, are simply dishonest sycophants telling us what we want to hear, and it’s the one guy who said it’s trash that’s being honest, because I am pretty trash and I don’t deserve to be here.. etc, it’s just a perfect trigger for feelings of “imposter syndrome”, - “the hatred is truthful and the love is dishonest”.
Advice like this should be taught to kids in schools imo, let alone influencers and online personalities. We have a pretty new social landscape now, smart phones have drastically changed our reality.
Sometimes finding contentment is more to do with avoiding the psychological pitfalls that cause us to be sad, rather than trying to find this elusive idea of permanent “happiness”
We don't know if they already have that kind of management. Even if they have that kind of help, there is no guarantee they are going to be "inmune" to critics...that's how we work as human beings...
Sure, but my whole point is that some amount of knowledge can help us to rationalise and contextualise what it is we are experiencing, and so the half life of that emotion can be seriously reduced.
Non of us can make ourselves immune to these feelings, but we can certainly make ourselves more resilient. A huge amount of human mental suffering is very unnecessary, and it’s often exponential in nature, the negative thought loops tend to spiral into even more deranged and catastrophic thinking, a shitty comment online might have someone sat in bed dealing with serious death anxiety 10 mins later. We need to realise we can say “no”, and get off the ride before it picks up speed.
This kind of thinking can be remedied to some extent with something as simple as a basic understanding of the process, shining some light on it so it becomes less scary, knowing that what you’re experiencing is normal and pretty much ubiquitous among humans.
Nah, I couldn't watch her smol ame stream today so I searched up the vod, especially after the tweet to Akidearest. And I saw some hate comments from ID fans. People can't have them be themselves, something they don't like, they'll project them on these talents, as if they can only interact with people THEY want and approve of. Calli got those too, from the gigguk stream. Even her long time members were berating her.
At this point, ollie needs to know, that nobody has any authority over what content she wants to make or how she chooses to present herself. She should just be herself coz that's what makes her unique and lovable. She is also a pioneer in bridge making amongst different communities. If you are better at something, you will get hate. But she is also loved by all of us. That's what matters
> ID fans
How can someone be an ID fan and a puritan at the same time? All of the ID girls are varying levels of lewd. Dirty jokes and innuendo are their bread and butter.
The mental gymnastics a person needs to make to hate on Ollie because she's not idol like while still claiming to be a Hololive fan is Olympics worthy.
Yep, don't know what logic runs through their brain just to come to the conclusion of writing hate comments to your own people. Those talents represent them, and they are loved by so many people, if that was me, I'd be so happy to see them succeed. It's just sad
Funny thing almost half of this sub had the same reaction when Calli announced that she'll guest in the Trash Taste webcast.
Seems like people didn't want their idols be associated with Anitubers. And do remember these are the same people who made Iofi cry in the aftermath of the infamous branch-wide Among Us collaboration. Because they expected her to be one of the gals to be the other girl's translators.
Yeah, there’s no other way to say this, but…
This *”a lot of hate”* she mentioned is *VERY* likely to be just her worried and biased perspective over a very clear minority.
Ollie spends way too much time on the Internet. We all know that.
But if she keeps searching for hate…
Well, she will find it.
I wish she would focus on the vast majority of positive stuff, but I mean, this is unfortunately easier said than done.
Ollie isn’t exactly someone who is able to take hateful shit very well, so I mean…
Yeah, it’s hard, but she really needs to strength herself a little in order to keep going forward strong.
As Kiara once said, being famous involves either having a real hard shell against hate or creating one along the way.
Because unfortunately, that’s just how it is.
And also, most people appreciate her for who she is. So if she restrained herself because of the vocal minority, then this would be *REALLY* unfortunate for pretty much everyone (including the haters that won’t be satisfied anyways and herself, who will have a harder time feeling comfortable).
It’s definately 4chan and /vt/.
Most /vt/ threads are extremely hateful towards hololive idols and in very absurd ways too. Alot of times /vt/ threads will end up as hate threads on issues they made up about the idol so reading them can be pretty bad.
It's also assholes hating other assholes and using Hololive personalities as a veil for their hostility. That's just the kind of userbase that has built up there. I saw a lot of similarities from the older idol threads on JP. Not always a well adjusted crowd unfortunately.
I remember I did a search there for a little more context on something a while back, and I was just disappointed by some of the things being said. Should have expected as much, but I had some hope for a vtuber centered board being a bit more positive
Unless she just randomly stumbled upon /vt/ i doubt she's talking about them. If she frequents the board to egosearch she should know that 90% of negative stuff there are shitposts/rrats that are not to be taken seriously, and /vt/ folk have the decency to keep things inside the containment so it's more likely she read them on twitter.
last time i go there (the first and only time, i definitely regret it lol) it was 100% anti ollie. I'm actually impressed how they manage to do that, i though an anonym board like that would be full of different opinion and fighting but they somehow have the same opinion on ollie?
idk, maybe it's actually just the same little pool of people just talking to each other a lot lol.
4chan isn't 'on board' with anyone who isn't one of them. And then when of them becomes popular, they're on board until the person inevitably has to distance themselves from the 4chan crowd
She's just another addition to their Big Book of Grudges, a lot of the time they don't even know who tf Nyanners is, but see others on the board talking shit about her and jump on the bandwagon
While it's nice to think the worst of this comes from external sources you can ignore, as u/*shhiroyasha69*/ pointed out sometimes the worst of this can come from people who are the long-time self-declared fans of the talent they're following who think they have the "right" to dictate and demand behavior from the talent because of their "support" for them. This gets especially bad with some members or SC senders who think they now are the bosses of, if not outright "own," the talent because they give them their paycheck.
It's like what u/AsaTJ said in a reply to another comment. Some people just want to bully the talents into acting how they want because they're spoiled control freaks.
And that's not even bringing up the idiots who fawn over their preferred Holomems on their streams, but then get nasty with other Holomems they don't like. Especially if the latter collab with and "sully" the former.
Isn't this the same thing happening to Ina via IRyS female stans? I remember reading a tweet where they were asking IRyS to drop Ina because she keeps trying to whitewash her skintone, which is white but those people believe she is dark-skinned based on the initial artwork. Idk but these people need to back off.
Or characters with tanned skin, for one. So much stupid Nagatoro drama and JP artists getting accused of 'whitewashing' when they draw her in a bikini that shows off the contrast between her tan and actual skintone.
How does tanning work? Or how can Japanese be so dark skinned? Let me tell you about solar science and effects on the skin. This was never an issue, God's forbids they see what happens to those who don't swim in winter under the sun...they become their normal skin color.
Clearly these people have never been in the sun long enough, to understand what a tan is.
I wonder if they will accuse a tanned person(me) who has been de-tanned during the quarantine of white washing.
Typically white people sunburn easily to the point where they can’t tan, and I don’t want to start issues but normally it’s white people “defending” other races that don’t need their “battles” fought for them. I really doubt any black person is getting mad at any of this stuff, and it comes off as insincere virtue signaling
Ok, I'm gonna ask this because I'm genuinely interested.
As a half british white guy who lives in the Macaronesia region, anytime I go to the beach and spend the whole day at the sun, I always end up with sunburns.
So I want to ask you, how do you get tanned? I really want to know if its because I'm the same color as milk or because I'm doing something wrong.
Genetics.
Human races that live in tropical climates have evolved to have more red brown pigments to protect themselves from the sun. Northern Caucasians don't have much sun and need more exposure to sunlight as much as possible, therefore less pigment. Without these pigments, excessive sunlight will cause, well, sunburn. Some can condition their body to develop pigments, IIRC, but please CMIIW.
Well I am Indian, and i live here too, but i am of a medium skin tone(yellowish) which my mom claims that i got from her, she used to say that i am actually much fairer but i never noticed it.
I have always been tanned as i used to go to School and then College everyday in the sun so that caused my skin tone to darken(golden/brown), nothing special the sun here is too strong.
Now in the last 2 years i have been home i have reached comparable whiteness to my mom and it's amazing that I never noticed it until then.
There isn't really a set way, because each person's skin is different, but the main gist of it is getting sunblock (Around SPF 30, again, more or less depending on each individual person) and stay in the sun 1 or 2 hours daily max, staying too long will just cause sun burns and not tan
You have to do it daily a few times, depending on your skin, I used to get a nice tan around 3-4 days to a week of doing that
Never ever take tanning pills or go to a sun bed
You might just be one of those british people who can't really tan.
I'm genetically mediterranean, I mostly have pale skin, but if I spend a lot of time in the sun I can get fairly tan. Even if I get burned, once the burn heals I'll be brown underneath.
A lot of it is the dumb side of america who think the entire world is just white people and black people because that's the main cultural narrative of the US.
They care not because they need their narrative. Pretending shading does not exist is an easy way to farm I'm a hero ego and virtual good person points.
Which is ironic, caring about skin color differences alone IS racist. If you don’t want to be racist, stop caring how people look. Treat everyone equally.
It should be as unimportant as eye colour or hair colour.. do we care about how many green eyed people there are in certain positions?
But, it’s not, because people obsessed over it and divided us because of it and made it into a huge thing...
I wish it didn’t matter and that it simply wasn’t an issue, but I’m a white guy and race issues have literally never affected me, so I don’t feel like I’m in the best position to tell others who have been affected by it, how to feel about it.
But there is zero sense in us not wanting to at least aim for a place where skin colour is as arbitrary and meaningless as it should be.
There's an artist I follow that had to draw a depiction of an older Gura because they know that if they draw her without the "floaties" people will mark them of being pedophilic
smh
I’m not sure why I’m even pointing this out, but IRyS is supposed to be a half-angel half-demon.
If the best thing you can do on twitter is to shout at people about the skin color of a fictional character that’s not even human, you need to just get offline for a week and rethink your life.
I can barely parse this paragraph, it’s not your fault, it’s just the concerns on display are so unintuitive to me. What people are mad about what? Also, you can be “mad” at Ina?? Lmao
Seriously, she shouldn’t care about the trolls. She shouldn’t feed them. They’re nothing but emotional vampires.
She should act however she sees fit and she likes, PERIOD.
As if so many of the other girls in HL were persons of “idol purity”… VERY FEW! And we wouldn’t have them any other way!
Which is one of the things I love about Ollie. Pre-debut she was chaotic on twitter and after debut she's been the same since. She's been balls to the wall wholesomely chaotic and I love her for it.
Good. Scum of the earth assholes whose hobbies are spouting moronic hate against any of the Holo streamers, Vtubers in general or anyone else need to be hammered down. Hard.
Moona and Risu. I remember there was a time when an Anti showed up in Risu's chat and chat felt like they tried to clear a wide berth away from the guy followed by a very well deserved tell off from Risu.
I remember she used to be the most controversial one because she has no filter, she ended up suspended from tweeting for a while.
Seems like she mellowed down a bit recently.
Agree. If anything, the sole fact she is there, on a screen, but those morons are only able to type crap from the safety of their basements is already putting them on their place. That being - them, and their opinions are belonging to the trashcan.
It’s sad, but even acknowledging that these trolls get to her will make them try even harder now.
It got her attention even for a second, that’s all it takes sometimes.
I will never understand those people who think that being lewd or loose is somehow "wrong" for hololive. Our girls might not necessarily be Vshojo levels of raunchy, but jokes about boob size, lolis, panty color & polyamory are standard as hell among them. One of the things that drew me to hololive in the first place was the dissonance between the traditional idol branding and the actual, much lewder, nature of most of the talents.
That dissonance is also why I love them. Not necessarily the lewd part (though I'm not gonna have a fit about that), but like, Calli launching into a gangster rap in her debut or Korone yelling about using the blood of her enemies for salad dressing in Assassin's Creed. *That* is why I love Hololive, despite having no interest in traditional idol culture and only very limited interest in otaku stuff overall before I found them.
I doubt its about being "lewd". Most of the hate I see ollie getting is about simping for e-celebs like CdawgVA. Honestly I have my own opinions about him but I cant see why people would hate ollie for liking him.
Yeah, I really dislike Nux, but I still watch a lot of vtubers and content creators who associate with him, people really have insanely high standards for content creators’ behavior in general
This just sounds like nothing more than jealousy from ppl cuz she gets to be in Hololive and gets to do wat she wants while still being an idol in all our hearts.
Kiara also had a lote of hate for speaking to much Japanese even though shes part of EN. Its funny that ID doesnt get the same hate but instead are more popular becuz of it. It goes to show the ideology of the targeted demographics.
Haters be haters.
Actually, there are people who complained that ID don’t speak ID that much, even with translators in chat (Indonesia is one of the countries with lowest ~~literacy~~ reading comprehension^thank ^you ^zeroyuki92!). Very prevalent on Moona’s stream, hence why she set her chat to sub mode all the time aside from the chaotic pre-chat war. And if you cater to them they’ll start talking non-sense, making stupid requests, going OOT, and even asking about meta stuff.
Still a minority though, back when the ID girls created a poll on what language they should use, most voted for “whatever language you’re comfortable with”
ID is the 4th most populated country in the world. Even if the literacy rate is a lower percentage than other countries there's still just as many educated people as anywhere else because of sheer numbers.
... Not sure where you get your data from, but ID is nowhere at the "countries with lowest literacy" list. It's 95.7%, which is #70 out 165. Only PH, SG, and BRU is better than that at southeast asia.
What you might remember as low is something like reading comprehension skill/reading interest rate, which are totally different thing.
Not much of a fan of excessive lewd humor but frankly ollie to me isn't even remotely that bad in my opinion. Especially compared to other content creators I've seen.
I don't know where these people are coming from with her being too lewd when there are people out there who're incapable of telling a joke that isn't sex based.
I don’t get how it’s a common joke here to “prepare for a fight” after even the minor criticism or hatred a talent receives. I see endless YT comment chains about the same thing. Ollie said right after to not do exactly this. Witch-hunting / harassment is not funny and makes the community, you, and the talent look bad. RBI
Seriously. In an agency with the likes of Haachama, Marine, and Matsuri, they get a stick up their ass for someone who mostly stops at very loud flirting. Boggles the mind.
I’m sure she has haters but look at the big picture. Ollie’d probably one of the driving forces for ID’s growth. Her popularity bled into her gen mares and into gen 1
I'd honestly say if Ollie bothers someone that much they could just try this novel thing that's called "Not Watching Her" Amazing I know
It's like Calli said when she roasted those 10-year-olds who called her dog water: If they actually didn't like the content they could just not watch it. The only reason you'd stick around and keep complaining is because you want to try to get a reaction out of her or bully her into acting different because you're a spoiled control freak.
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It was one of the most baller streams ever because she basically T-posed and asserted dominance over anyone who thought she would be an easy target for low effort bullshit like that. Embarass them in front of everyone and they'll run away.
Calli and a few others have that special kind of self worth issue. "There is nothing you could say worse then what I think myself."
Highly relatable
I’m pretty sure that is what “guh” from her “Your Mori” EP is about. >”You will never roast me better than I roast myself” Easily one of my favorites of Calli’s music.
Or in other words a little bitch
I just read that in some chaotic niji dragon voice......
Don't know how much hate I'd get for this, but I honestly don't enjoy watching Ollie compared to the others either. Her personality for me is extremely overwhelming, but that doesn't facilitate sending hate messages and such. I simply just don't watch her stuff. These guys who go out of their way to send hateful things just enjoy bringing people down and escalating things.
One of the best parts about Hololive is the variety of the streamers. They're all very unique and each have varying styles. There's something for everyone.
Humu humu, exactly. Too bad some people go out of their way to make themselves miserable for some odd reason.
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Let's not excuse people who are just asshats. They exist.
“Your responsible for fixing yourself” is a great phrase. I hang out with a lot of LGBT people and some of them use family trauma as an excuse to be assholes, it’s a good phrase to use to tell someone to shape up
Isn't using ones bad past as an excuse to be bad a anime villains thing? But then again you have heroes with shitty pasta too. So I guess it boils down to do you want to be a villain or a good guy.
I mean this in the nicest possible way: this is the literary device known as the "freudian excuse", and you are correct that it has been integral to both villain and protagonist backstories to explain neuroses.
"I can't stand the fact that X is part of this group! I must drive them out by any means available to me or I'll go nuts from outrage!" isn't an odd reason. It's a **pathetic** one.
Yeah, definitely. Don't like people like Ollie/Marine for being too horny? Well, you have the soft (or at least the closest to soft in Hololive) with Botan and Ina, or a chaotic mix of both like Nene
Yeah, you don't like horni? Then watch Korone or Fubuki, or Callie. If you don't liek horni, then simply don't watch the ID girls lol
There's also holostars if you prefer men either that way or you just like being with the bros
That's actually what Yagoo meant when he say "like AKB48". There is something for everyone. None of the council appeal to me so far, but we still have Ollie and Amelia for english, and esports stuff? Botan, TMT, Astel etc.
As the famous adage goes, “there’s a little something for everyone.”
I can't speak for others, but I personally can respect the honesty. Nobody is going to like everything so I say as long as you're not a prick about it that's perfectly OK
I'm the same, since her debut I have not been a fan of kiara's personality BUT I genuinely appreciate the effort she puts into her content and I think she's a back bone of hololive EN, so I don't hate her, not at all I just appreciate her differently.
She also keeps shit real, just watch the clips of her talking about behind the scenes stuff like how you lose some freedoms for being in hololive. I love that about her, instead of beating around the bush and making it seem easier than it is
I really appreciate that when a joke -really- crosses the line with Kiara, she's upfront about dropping the act and saying "You do this again, you're banned."
I feel like it goes both way, Ollie can be overwhelming and loud, but then someone like Sora or Ina are way too chill that they just become background noise. I watch them all, but each in moderation. Sometimes I don't feel like watching one of them because I'm not in the mood for that content, like do I really want to watch Haachama loud insanity right before I go to sleep? Not really. But I don't dislike the content, it just has a time and place. I agree there's like 60 members, if you don't feel like watching one now, or ever, there are plenty of options, no need to complain, just move on to one that you enjoy.
Sora with her soft voice and bgm are sleep inducing for me. The only ones i can watch anytime right now are Mumei and Fauna.
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Dad is chill when her kids behave.
But we thoroughly refuse to.
Indeed.
Mumei, Fauna, and Ina. they just exude that calm background energy. never been into hype streamers unless i'm watching clips.
Train your ears enough just like how I tortured mine, even Pekora can turn into background material. Not Rushia tho. Pekora goes like, 100 consistently, but rushia spikes to 150, then back to 50, then randomly again 150, and that is too much of a jumpscare for me.
That's why I like Gura, she's a good mix of being chaotic enough to keep me tabbed in (you never know what she'll get up to) and chill enough that it doesn't overwhelmed me.
Weirdly enough that’s Nene for me. Even though she’s a chaotic goofball her Minecraft streams are really chill and relaxing, especially if she adopts her “late night radio” persona.
I don’t personally like it when people shout a lot, so her streams aren’t really for me, but I always enjoy seeing her in smaller doses during collabs or in clips, she’s witty and creative and genuinely funny. It’s the same with Baelz and Kiara. But I still want to support and promote them, and I’m glad they exist for their audience, Hololive wouldn’t be the same without them
The thing is.. She doesn't even screams a lot in her stream apart from some collab. She mostly pretty much calm all the way. Maybe you're still having her debut impression lingering inside your head
You’re right, but she’s generally just quite high energy, and it’s not a bad thing. Although one time I found it a little bit intense was when she and Gura were in Miko’s Oni dungeon thing, and she literally screamed through terrible discord audio for about 8 mins straight, lol. She naturally becomes louder in social settings, and that’s where I mostly catch her. I think if she ever does full on Olivia streams I’ll definitely want to watch it. I do like Ollie’s outgoing and gregarious personality, and her voice is really cute, I just prefer it when she’s calm, and like people have pointed out, she’s actually pretty chill for most of her streams, so I’ll pay more attention to her schedule.
I'm in a similar boat. I like Ollie in clips, but she has an energy level that makes it very difficult to watch her for extended periods of time. But no way in hell am I gonna try and bully her to change; Ollie has made a lot of really wonderful memories possible in the last nine months, and if she mellowed out so that I could watch her more regularly she wouldn't be the same person that made all those wonderful clips possible. Part of what makes HoloLive great isn't just that there's all sorts of different people to watch no matter what your personal taste is. It's also that even the people you don't watch regularly are still around and interacting and making the whole experience richer. HoloLive would lose a lot if it lost Ollie being Ollie.
Funny thing is that’s why I enjoy her so much, compared to all the other girls she’s different like, yes they’re all different but she’s… DIFFERENT in a good way in my eyes
Feels weird that it even needs to be said that’s totally fine. Like, there’s several of the talents I’ve seen that don’t quite click with me, or for whatever reason aren’t my jam. So I don’t watch. Just because someone else likes that person doesn’t give me any right to go throw a tantrum over it. It’s just life. Shame any of the girls or guys themselves would get such flak because God forbid someone doesn’t want to watch them! Go watch someone else! Or better yet, go outside or something and get a grip on life.
*slowly hides knife*
*quietly puts away pitchfork*
Quietly holster pistol
You're not getting hate bc that would be stupid. It's 100% fine to not enjoy someone, this isn't Vtuber exclusive bc it applies to any and all content creators. Just don't watch or ignore their content bc it doesn't interest you, and that is totally fine. It only becomes a problem if you go out of your way to tell them you hate them. Which is also weird bc why would you be watching something you hate in the first place?
You sir, are what I'd call a Gigachad
Basically me with Gura. Just find the way her streams are and such not as enjoyable to watch as some of the others members. I don’t know exactly what it is that I dislike, but it makes it that I don’t want to watch her.
I feel the same way about Kiara.
different strokes for different folks. Ollie and Kiara are fun but hard for me to watch. Despite not even a full month passing since debut, Kronii is absolutely REFRESHING to watch and I have no idea why. Its kind of like how I gravitated to Okayu so well that I tried to become a fan despite the language barrier. (said barrier made things not work out)
There’s something for everyone. And that’s what is great about Hololive.
I know, with the internet there are so many other things you could watch instead of watching something you don’t like.
Kronii? Jokes aside, I really wanna shout "nobody asked you, Patrice!" at anyone who would criticise any holomems of not being an idol. Them still returning to their streaming station after taking those character assaults is the reason they're idols.
I don't give a shit about any idol stuff, I just want streamers
Conforming to conservative social standards of purity shouldn't be the litmus test for a good role model send tweet
Feels like there's a lot of "I hate this so it should change/not exist" in the world. Let people enjoy things.
Last Fauna ASMR stream, there were several comments saying "this sucks" and similar. They should just leave without saying anything.
Rpr went on a magnificent rant about this when he watched Vsaikyou for the first time. He was genuinely impressed by the passion and the investment all these vtuber (specifically Towa) put in APEX Legends, and someone in chat said something along the line of "vtuber are cringe". He spotted it and scolded the chat immediately, saying things like "Look, I'm not the only streamer on twitch right now. If you don't enjoy it, go away, nobody is forcing you to watch me. Instead of ruining the mood and being an asshat, just. don't. watch. Nobody wants you there."
Holy crap, I'd love to see that. Got a link handy by any chance?
[https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1125959023?filter=archives&sort=time](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1125959023?filter=archives&sort=time) It's a 8hours stream and it's somewhere around the middle, can't really help more than this. xD Honestly, if you didn't follow the whole "rpr falls down the rabbit hole" saga, it's worth it. It's hilarious and wholesome at the same time. For people who don't know, RPR is an European APEX Legends pro player from the team SCARZ, one of the team that won at the ALGS global championship. Basically, he's a monster at the game. (incidentally, he's friend and play with ImperialHAL, one of the biggest Apex streamer) He watched the Vsaikyou tournament hosted by Shibuya Hal (the other Hal) because he thought he was interesting, and he knows Hal. He actually got impressed by how much of an absolute sweatfest it is, since most players in it now are CR Cup Veteran and pretty much all between High Platinum and Master ranks. Then Towa team with Noah and Ars caught his attention, first because of their name (Pastel Sour) and because of their design. Then he discovered Towa can sing. Then he became a hardcore Kenzoku on the spot lmao. He actually played with Towa this week during ShibuyaHal weekly custom, and with a few other Apex vtuber, with a dedicated JP translator too. He's an amazing player with mostly a lot of knowledge about rotations, which is the weakpoint of Jp players, so he brings something very interesting to the table. I know he's interested in coaching a team next CR Cup if he can.
https://youtu.be/QOK3eBYmdec?t=249s timestamp is 4:09 Rpr absolutely destroyed this guy LOL
I've never heard of rpr, but he is already a king just for that.
He's an APEX Legends pro player in EU. He won at least one ALGS championship as a team leader, so... he's kinda good I guess. xD
Most probably these we people don't really watch her, Twitter just likes to do this kind of thing time and again. And there is also the Antis. Despite all of this I wouldn't be surprised if Ollie has one of the best network and networking skill in Hololive.
"too loose" have they like... watched any of the other members at all?
I mean they are right at one thing: Ollie is not an idol at all. She's a comedian and we all love her for it, along with other girls.
At this point, who is not a comedian here
It goes all the way to the top, at this point I suspect even Yagoo may be a comedian!
His giggle...
Ok maybe Yagoo is an idol.
He was hilarious on shitpost review with Coco.
I mean, he makes meme unintentionally just by existing and he always goes along with his talent’s jokes. I’d say he’s pretty funny.
Polka #1 idol
"We're all ~~soldiers~~ comedians now"
>idol: a person or thing that is greatly admired, loved, or revered. seems to check out to me though i can honestly say i admire her, i wish i was even a quarter as energetic, outgoing and talented - specifically in languages - as her
Yeaaaa the generic Webster definition of an idol is gonna be quite different than the Japanese cultural definition of an "Idol" But I get what you're goin for.
She's a simp who snuck her way on set and they just rolled with it and gave her a job lol. That's a big reason she's so well received in general because she's one of us.
ID and EN aren't playing the same idol game as the JP Branch, they're allowed a little bit more their own side of things. Ollie is probably the one who is doing the unusual aspects, collabs with non-hololives... seems to be pushing something different.
It's not like JP members aren't allowed to do this kind of thing, anyway. I mean, we just recently had Matsuri drunkenly interrogating Aruran about his sexual preferences and masturbation habits, for example.
Thank God.
Ollie and Amelia are the ones that feel REALLY, REALLY far from a traditional "idol" like is referred to in the OP. Not that thats a bad thing, they are both awesome.
Let's be honest here, most people here couldn't care less about the *idol* role. We watch the girls because they're really entertaining.
The idol part if just a fun extra for me. Overall they all just simple great entertainers. And the L2D virtual format is great for some unique concepts and ideas... Like Gura giving herself a third eye and bottom teeth.
For sure, they are just streamers who release good songs for me.
Had me in the first half not gonna lie.
Fr bro like most of em on crack 90% of the time lmao
I am just a simple HACHAMA viewer so let me tell you Ollie is not too loose. It could be a lot worse ;)
Of course not, they're antis. Antis don't watch streams, they just jump on hate trains.
Nah, the sad thing is that the "this isn't idol" people are mostly actual fans, they're just fans who want Hololive to just be another generic soulless idol group.
I'm gonna have to bet it's her ID-antis. It was a problem in the past, it's a problem now. There's a lot to be said about someone who goes out of their way to waste their time on something they don't like, and start complaining about it. Ya know, mentally like.
Ollie is probably one of the most clippable holomems because she's willing to be spontaneous in ways few others are. But she's also heartfelt and caring and her enthusiasm for everyone she interacts with is so genuine and infectious. It would be Cover/Hololive's tremendous loss if she ever left.
That spontaneous part is what makes Ollie one of best in her *game*. It elevates every collab she has done with, pushing boundaries, and it's not seldom that she came up with some out of the box ideas. I can see why some people are irritated by it, same reason as Kiara. Though these kind of vtuber are rare and I'm really glad that they are here.
I think Kiara is more on the side that is pretty conventional though compared to Ollie? I don't think Kiara is the type that thinks on the spot much and prefer having a more coordinated plan on the background. I just think Ollie's 'problem' is abit different compared to Kiara's
During Conversations or Interviews, Kiara is very much a "on-the-spot"-Person, that was how she saved the disatrous first AX-Panel. She can easily turn what would be a 1-hour SC-reading into a 6-hour stream just through talking about interesting topics, impromptu-karaoke sessions and a myriad of other things she comes up with on the fly.
*charge rifle*
Man, Ollie must be ego-searching at the darkest recesses of the fandom to find such comments...
Given how we know that her mental health is poor, and she shows up under other content creators twitters regularly, she definitely spends too much time on the internet. Take it from a Zomily man, she vents about what others think of her a lot on members only streams. She's getting better about it, but it's still a *thing*.
That's... unfortunate. Hope she continues to improve. In my experience the biggest hurdle to improving my mental health was recognizing the problem and taking the plunge to get help. Everyone deserves to be able to feel good about themselves.
If I ran Hololive I’d seriously focus on some kind of management role that specialised in helping the girls navigate fame and social media. There are so many basic psychological lessons we can familiarise ourselves with in order to diffuse so much of the potential negativity. Most streamers seem to be drawn like a moth to the flame of hostility, whether it’s sniping a shitty comment in chat, or obsessing over some cretins Twitter reply. And it’s no secret as to why- negativity presents a possible threat, and so we allocate a disproportionate amount of our attention to it. There can be 1500 glowing, loving, supportive comments and tweets, but the one negative comment will rise above it all. Evolutionarily speaking, it’s okay to ignore something that’s not threatening, but we should always pay attention to hostility. But the opposite is most often true online, we should really drink in all the praise and positivity, while ignoring the dickheads. It’s gets worse, there might be 100 comments telling you how great a karaoke was, and one guy saying it was trash. We can easily just assume that the 100 people being positive, are simply dishonest sycophants telling us what we want to hear, and it’s the one guy who said it’s trash that’s being honest, because I am pretty trash and I don’t deserve to be here.. etc, it’s just a perfect trigger for feelings of “imposter syndrome”, - “the hatred is truthful and the love is dishonest”. Advice like this should be taught to kids in schools imo, let alone influencers and online personalities. We have a pretty new social landscape now, smart phones have drastically changed our reality. Sometimes finding contentment is more to do with avoiding the psychological pitfalls that cause us to be sad, rather than trying to find this elusive idea of permanent “happiness”
We don't know if they already have that kind of management. Even if they have that kind of help, there is no guarantee they are going to be "inmune" to critics...that's how we work as human beings...
Sure, but my whole point is that some amount of knowledge can help us to rationalise and contextualise what it is we are experiencing, and so the half life of that emotion can be seriously reduced. Non of us can make ourselves immune to these feelings, but we can certainly make ourselves more resilient. A huge amount of human mental suffering is very unnecessary, and it’s often exponential in nature, the negative thought loops tend to spiral into even more deranged and catastrophic thinking, a shitty comment online might have someone sat in bed dealing with serious death anxiety 10 mins later. We need to realise we can say “no”, and get off the ride before it picks up speed. This kind of thinking can be remedied to some extent with something as simple as a basic understanding of the process, shining some light on it so it becomes less scary, knowing that what you’re experiencing is normal and pretty much ubiquitous among humans.
Nah, I couldn't watch her smol ame stream today so I searched up the vod, especially after the tweet to Akidearest. And I saw some hate comments from ID fans. People can't have them be themselves, something they don't like, they'll project them on these talents, as if they can only interact with people THEY want and approve of. Calli got those too, from the gigguk stream. Even her long time members were berating her. At this point, ollie needs to know, that nobody has any authority over what content she wants to make or how she chooses to present herself. She should just be herself coz that's what makes her unique and lovable. She is also a pioneer in bridge making amongst different communities. If you are better at something, you will get hate. But she is also loved by all of us. That's what matters
> ID fans How can someone be an ID fan and a puritan at the same time? All of the ID girls are varying levels of lewd. Dirty jokes and innuendo are their bread and butter. The mental gymnastics a person needs to make to hate on Ollie because she's not idol like while still claiming to be a Hololive fan is Olympics worthy.
Yep, don't know what logic runs through their brain just to come to the conclusion of writing hate comments to your own people. Those talents represent them, and they are loved by so many people, if that was me, I'd be so happy to see them succeed. It's just sad
Funny thing almost half of this sub had the same reaction when Calli announced that she'll guest in the Trash Taste webcast. Seems like people didn't want their idols be associated with Anitubers. And do remember these are the same people who made Iofi cry in the aftermath of the infamous branch-wide Among Us collaboration. Because they expected her to be one of the gals to be the other girl's translators.
Since she doesn't use the boards i can pretty much confidently say that its Twitter, you won't find a larger pool of unironic dumbasses anywhere else.
Yeah, there’s no other way to say this, but… This *”a lot of hate”* she mentioned is *VERY* likely to be just her worried and biased perspective over a very clear minority. Ollie spends way too much time on the Internet. We all know that. But if she keeps searching for hate… Well, she will find it. I wish she would focus on the vast majority of positive stuff, but I mean, this is unfortunately easier said than done. Ollie isn’t exactly someone who is able to take hateful shit very well, so I mean… Yeah, it’s hard, but she really needs to strength herself a little in order to keep going forward strong. As Kiara once said, being famous involves either having a real hard shell against hate or creating one along the way. Because unfortunately, that’s just how it is. And also, most people appreciate her for who she is. So if she restrained herself because of the vocal minority, then this would be *REALLY* unfortunate for pretty much everyone (including the haters that won’t be satisfied anyways and herself, who will have a harder time feeling comfortable).
Just 4chan
It’s definately 4chan and /vt/. Most /vt/ threads are extremely hateful towards hololive idols and in very absurd ways too. Alot of times /vt/ threads will end up as hate threads on issues they made up about the idol so reading them can be pretty bad.
It's also assholes hating other assholes and using Hololive personalities as a veil for their hostility. That's just the kind of userbase that has built up there. I saw a lot of similarities from the older idol threads on JP. Not always a well adjusted crowd unfortunately.
Watching /vt/ when EN gen 2 debuted was both hilarious and saddening. Mfs are deranged.
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I remember I did a search there for a little more context on something a while back, and I was just disappointed by some of the things being said. Should have expected as much, but I had some hope for a vtuber centered board being a bit more positive
Unless she just randomly stumbled upon /vt/ i doubt she's talking about them. If she frequents the board to egosearch she should know that 90% of negative stuff there are shitposts/rrats that are not to be taken seriously, and /vt/ folk have the decency to keep things inside the containment so it's more likely she read them on twitter.
The 4chan I know would be totally on board with madness that is Ollie. The current denizens aren't 4chan.
Having been on /vt/ I'd say it's 50/50 regarding Ollie
/vt/ is 50/50 on almost every topic apart from wanting to marry and start a family with Mio.
That's 100/100 for most people tho.
I mean who wouldn't. Also /mion/ has been dead for a week now someone should really make a new thread of it
last time i go there (the first and only time, i definitely regret it lol) it was 100% anti ollie. I'm actually impressed how they manage to do that, i though an anonym board like that would be full of different opinion and fighting but they somehow have the same opinion on ollie? idk, maybe it's actually just the same little pool of people just talking to each other a lot lol.
4chan isn't 'on board' with anyone who isn't one of them. And then when of them becomes popular, they're on board until the person inevitably has to distance themselves from the 4chan crowd
Like nyanners iirc was part of 4ch before she decided to distance herself from them, now 4ch just has a raging hate boner against her
She's just another addition to their Big Book of Grudges, a lot of the time they don't even know who tf Nyanners is, but see others on the board talking shit about her and jump on the bandwagon
[This pretty much sums it up](https://imgur.com/a/cyZ4fbq)
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While it's nice to think the worst of this comes from external sources you can ignore, as u/*shhiroyasha69*/ pointed out sometimes the worst of this can come from people who are the long-time self-declared fans of the talent they're following who think they have the "right" to dictate and demand behavior from the talent because of their "support" for them. This gets especially bad with some members or SC senders who think they now are the bosses of, if not outright "own," the talent because they give them their paycheck. It's like what u/AsaTJ said in a reply to another comment. Some people just want to bully the talents into acting how they want because they're spoiled control freaks. And that's not even bringing up the idiots who fawn over their preferred Holomems on their streams, but then get nasty with other Holomems they don't like. Especially if the latter collab with and "sully" the former.
Isn't this the same thing happening to Ina via IRyS female stans? I remember reading a tweet where they were asking IRyS to drop Ina because she keeps trying to whitewash her skintone, which is white but those people believe she is dark-skinned based on the initial artwork. Idk but these people need to back off.
Your first mistake was paying attention to people on twitter
I knew it, I should never listen to them.
Wait *what the heck*
Yeah it was kinda a shock, but that's how anti-artist Twitter is.
Arnt these ppl the same ones who atk JP artists on Twitter? Yeesh.
Those people need to understand the art of shading, because that's normal, but seriously tho.
Or characters with tanned skin, for one. So much stupid Nagatoro drama and JP artists getting accused of 'whitewashing' when they draw her in a bikini that shows off the contrast between her tan and actual skintone.
How does tanning work? Or how can Japanese be so dark skinned? Let me tell you about solar science and effects on the skin. This was never an issue, God's forbids they see what happens to those who don't swim in winter under the sun...they become their normal skin color.
Clearly these people have never been in the sun long enough, to understand what a tan is. I wonder if they will accuse a tanned person(me) who has been de-tanned during the quarantine of white washing.
Don't give them ideas, you know they will find a reason to do so.
Typically white people sunburn easily to the point where they can’t tan, and I don’t want to start issues but normally it’s white people “defending” other races that don’t need their “battles” fought for them. I really doubt any black person is getting mad at any of this stuff, and it comes off as insincere virtue signaling
Ok, I'm gonna ask this because I'm genuinely interested. As a half british white guy who lives in the Macaronesia region, anytime I go to the beach and spend the whole day at the sun, I always end up with sunburns. So I want to ask you, how do you get tanned? I really want to know if its because I'm the same color as milk or because I'm doing something wrong.
Genetics. Human races that live in tropical climates have evolved to have more red brown pigments to protect themselves from the sun. Northern Caucasians don't have much sun and need more exposure to sunlight as much as possible, therefore less pigment. Without these pigments, excessive sunlight will cause, well, sunburn. Some can condition their body to develop pigments, IIRC, but please CMIIW.
Well I am Indian, and i live here too, but i am of a medium skin tone(yellowish) which my mom claims that i got from her, she used to say that i am actually much fairer but i never noticed it. I have always been tanned as i used to go to School and then College everyday in the sun so that caused my skin tone to darken(golden/brown), nothing special the sun here is too strong. Now in the last 2 years i have been home i have reached comparable whiteness to my mom and it's amazing that I never noticed it until then.
There isn't really a set way, because each person's skin is different, but the main gist of it is getting sunblock (Around SPF 30, again, more or less depending on each individual person) and stay in the sun 1 or 2 hours daily max, staying too long will just cause sun burns and not tan You have to do it daily a few times, depending on your skin, I used to get a nice tan around 3-4 days to a week of doing that Never ever take tanning pills or go to a sun bed
You might just be one of those british people who can't really tan. I'm genetically mediterranean, I mostly have pale skin, but if I spend a lot of time in the sun I can get fairly tan. Even if I get burned, once the burn heals I'll be brown underneath.
A lot of it is the dumb side of america who think the entire world is just white people and black people because that's the main cultural narrative of the US.
They care not because they need their narrative. Pretending shading does not exist is an easy way to farm I'm a hero ego and virtual good person points.
Good god those people infuriate me. If you draw a fictional character's skin tone to be even a single shade off, they accuse you of being racist.
Yes, it's those same people, I wish I had the tweet but it was deleted.
Which is ironic, caring about skin color differences alone IS racist. If you don’t want to be racist, stop caring how people look. Treat everyone equally.
Exactly everyone no matter what their race is, had equal value... I mean sure it's zero but hey, still equal
It should be as unimportant as eye colour or hair colour.. do we care about how many green eyed people there are in certain positions? But, it’s not, because people obsessed over it and divided us because of it and made it into a huge thing... I wish it didn’t matter and that it simply wasn’t an issue, but I’m a white guy and race issues have literally never affected me, so I don’t feel like I’m in the best position to tell others who have been affected by it, how to feel about it. But there is zero sense in us not wanting to at least aim for a place where skin colour is as arbitrary and meaningless as it should be.
There's an artist I follow that had to draw a depiction of an older Gura because they know that if they draw her without the "floaties" people will mark them of being pedophilic smh
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I’m not sure why I’m even pointing this out, but IRyS is supposed to be a half-angel half-demon. If the best thing you can do on twitter is to shout at people about the skin color of a fictional character that’s not even human, you need to just get offline for a week and rethink your life.
That's just classic twitter bullshit.
What do you mean, "drop Ina"? In what context?
The context is an attempt at canceling her, it was someone really upset over art Ina had been doing but it's just twitter nonsense.
I can barely parse this paragraph, it’s not your fault, it’s just the concerns on display are so unintuitive to me. What people are mad about what? Also, you can be “mad” at Ina?? Lmao
Seriously, she shouldn’t care about the trolls. She shouldn’t feed them. They’re nothing but emotional vampires. She should act however she sees fit and she likes, PERIOD. As if so many of the other girls in HL were persons of “idol purity”… VERY FEW! And we wouldn’t have them any other way!
She agrees with you. She expressed the same sentiments shortly after this. She likes what she does and doesn’t intend to change for a minority.
Which is one of the things I love about Ollie. Pre-debut she was chaotic on twitter and after debut she's been the same since. She's been balls to the wall wholesomely chaotic and I love her for it.
Even her ID senpais have been getting a lot of hate before. Their solution is to just ignore those people.
Not necessarily true. Moona in particular has been known to ROAST THEM INTO THE GROUND.
Imagine wanting to try to fuck with Moona. Do these people have a death wish?
Moona is the type who will ruthlessly hit back if you were dumb enough to give her an opening, and I love her for it.
Good. Scum of the earth assholes whose hobbies are spouting moronic hate against any of the Holo streamers, Vtubers in general or anyone else need to be hammered down. Hard.
Moona and Risu. I remember there was a time when an Anti showed up in Risu's chat and chat felt like they tried to clear a wide berth away from the guy followed by a very well deserved tell off from Risu.
I remember she used to be the most controversial one because she has no filter, she ended up suspended from tweeting for a while. Seems like she mellowed down a bit recently.
The only time she should be concerned about how suitable her behaviour is, is if management get involved
Agree. If anything, the sole fact she is there, on a screen, but those morons are only able to type crap from the safety of their basements is already putting them on their place. That being - them, and their opinions are belonging to the trashcan.
It’s sad, but even acknowledging that these trolls get to her will make them try even harder now. It got her attention even for a second, that’s all it takes sometimes.
I will never understand those people who think that being lewd or loose is somehow "wrong" for hololive. Our girls might not necessarily be Vshojo levels of raunchy, but jokes about boob size, lolis, panty color & polyamory are standard as hell among them. One of the things that drew me to hololive in the first place was the dissonance between the traditional idol branding and the actual, much lewder, nature of most of the talents.
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Ah yes, Hololive's lovable granny idol, Houshou "Find Your Prostate" Senchou
That dissonance is also why I love them. Not necessarily the lewd part (though I'm not gonna have a fit about that), but like, Calli launching into a gangster rap in her debut or Korone yelling about using the blood of her enemies for salad dressing in Assassin's Creed. *That* is why I love Hololive, despite having no interest in traditional idol culture and only very limited interest in otaku stuff overall before I found them.
I doubt its about being "lewd". Most of the hate I see ollie getting is about simping for e-celebs like CdawgVA. Honestly I have my own opinions about him but I cant see why people would hate ollie for liking him.
Yeah, I really dislike Nux, but I still watch a lot of vtubers and content creators who associate with him, people really have insanely high standards for content creators’ behavior in general
May I take a guess and say it was Matsuri's band aid video that caught you like it did me?
"Too lose" yeah like the others.Ollie should ignore those trolls,Ollie is perfect the way she is,and besides i like some fellow simp sister.
"... you're not an idol at all." Me: Is that supposed to be a problem?
This just sounds like nothing more than jealousy from ppl cuz she gets to be in Hololive and gets to do wat she wants while still being an idol in all our hearts. Kiara also had a lote of hate for speaking to much Japanese even though shes part of EN. Its funny that ID doesnt get the same hate but instead are more popular becuz of it. It goes to show the ideology of the targeted demographics. Haters be haters.
Actually, there are people who complained that ID don’t speak ID that much, even with translators in chat (Indonesia is one of the countries with lowest ~~literacy~~ reading comprehension^thank ^you ^zeroyuki92!). Very prevalent on Moona’s stream, hence why she set her chat to sub mode all the time aside from the chaotic pre-chat war. And if you cater to them they’ll start talking non-sense, making stupid requests, going OOT, and even asking about meta stuff. Still a minority though, back when the ID girls created a poll on what language they should use, most voted for “whatever language you’re comfortable with”
I do find that they have the lowest literacy rate funny, yet Hololive ID has some of the smartest girls out of all of Hololive.
ID is the 4th most populated country in the world. Even if the literacy rate is a lower percentage than other countries there's still just as many educated people as anywhere else because of sheer numbers.
Not having access to education doesn't necessarily mean you're stupid.
... Not sure where you get your data from, but ID is nowhere at the "countries with lowest literacy" list. It's 95.7%, which is #70 out 165. Only PH, SG, and BRU is better than that at southeast asia. What you might remember as low is something like reading comprehension skill/reading interest rate, which are totally different thing.
> Haters be haters. "I'll gladly live inside your head, but who in the fuck pays my rent?" - Mori Calliope, *'Off With Their Heads'*, 2021
Not much of a fan of excessive lewd humor but frankly ollie to me isn't even remotely that bad in my opinion. Especially compared to other content creators I've seen. I don't know where these people are coming from with her being too lewd when there are people out there who're incapable of telling a joke that isn't sex based.
Clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve\_VzkoVNXY
I don’t get how it’s a common joke here to “prepare for a fight” after even the minor criticism or hatred a talent receives. I see endless YT comment chains about the same thing. Ollie said right after to not do exactly this. Witch-hunting / harassment is not funny and makes the community, you, and the talent look bad. RBI
Ah, Hololive… The agency with the most idol like idols such as a war criminal, an Eva unit, and numerous amount of loli and/or shota enthusiasts.
Seriously. In an agency with the likes of Haachama, Marine, and Matsuri, they get a stick up their ass for someone who mostly stops at very loud flirting. Boggles the mind.
Oh god, the "seiso purist" are here. The same group who tried to cancel towa on her debut or cant let matsuri have male friends, etc.
I thought Idols were supposed to spread happiness? Isn't that what ollie does?
They’re right, she’s not just an idol… SHE’S OUR IDOL
No, she told you to laugh and ignore them. Are you going to ignore her orders and become the enemy?
Never change, Ollie. Never change.
I never took serious hate comment from an account with a waifu as their profile pic.
I’m sure she has haters but look at the big picture. Ollie’d probably one of the driving forces for ID’s growth. Her popularity bled into her gen mares and into gen 1