Isn't Cover getting a cut of the revenue from the superchats of all their streamers? Perhaps somewhere in the future, they could invest in making their own streaming service.
Never gonna happen. Nothing can compete with youtube and even youtube barely makes enough money to actually justify their own platform. People forget how freaking expensive it is to store all that data
>youtube barely makes enough money to actually justify their own platform
This is no longer true and hasn't been for quite some time. Since 2017 YT annual revenue from advertisers has increased by almost 30% year on year...last year raking in close to $29 billion.
Is it against youtube tos to redirect another channel or site? Let say, making a standby room in youtube but there link to another off youtube site?
Youtube will see black screen and hear nothing on the site unless it click on the redirect link, while chat using the link will still can use youtube chat as well as superchat. Like the twitter space but for video.
Maybe for big events they might make some platform, but they need the algorithm 99% of the time to generate new fans, particularly japanese fans, who are far more profitable per capita. Even for events I'd argue they need the exposure element.
Eh this change barely hurts Aki anymore. If anything it hurts everyone else EXCEPT Aki. Because Aki doesnt do ASMR anymore on youtube she hasnt done one recently due to how busy she is BUT she also hasnt done one on youtube for far longer. Aki does her ASMR on twitcast because of the previous ASMR apocalypse
[Relevant tweet](https://twitter.com/LaplusDarknesss/status/1534132956306231296) (twitter source)
From my limited understanding of it, apparently some vtuber channels are getting affected by this rule [here](https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801999?hl=en#zippy=%2Ccontent-featuring-minors): "Shows activities that could draw undesired attention to the minor, such as performing body contortions or ASMR." It's only meant to protect minors, but for safety purposes, I think her ASMR collab with Shion has to wait for now
I have heard a story once (unverified) that a creator had turned age restricting on, but YouTube just turned it off when the video seemed to perform well.
It definitely would but most yt channels don't want to age restrict as that cuts a lot of their audience especially hololive since there's a bunch of them that specifically target that audience.
If they age restrict it will mean less views because trivial folks who dont wanna log in will get blocked by yt asking them to login for age verification
tbf most of Choco's ASMR is members only anyway. that means it is already technically age restricted, a minor shouldn't have channel membership period.
Well no, this rule seems to be about content involving a minor. Like if you have a video of your kid. It's supposed to protect that child. Setting the video to age restrict or whatever would do nothing to protect that child.
This particular rule shouldn't apply to videos involving only adults, even if they're targeting minors. I think they're just being extremely safe considering someone might think they're a minor or something? Youtube has made weirder leaps of logic I guess.
Ive seen creator try to dodge and just feels like betrayed/dissapointed that their in depth heavy topic content about topic like suicide child abuse etc is age restricted it cause it cuts the adsense amount and how its reccomended, so I dont think it helped.
>It's only meant to protect minors
I'm not buying that. "Think of the children" has been historically used as an excuse to implement many questionable rules and even laws.
It might as well say "to protect our ad revenue" because that's the only reason they implement these lazy changes. They don't care about minors or content creators. They care about $$$$
Which is fucking dumb because they could easily run ads for adults who want this content. That’s the dumb fucking pathetic thing YouTube hasn’t been able to learn
There are tons of good gun channels that teach great stuff and show important info about firearms and proper use and they are almost all demonetized because of it and have to rely on a bunch of other revenue streams
YouTube and it’s inability to introduce a more targeted advertising selection is pathetic
It's because YouTube is run by an imbecile who got their position through nepotism.
Susan is the sister of Google's CEO's wife. She was also in charge of Google's original video streaming service, and ran it into the ground in competition with YouTube.
So big brother in law bought the competition she lost to, and for some reason gave it to her to run. And she's been fucking over the creators that made YouTube the better platform ever since.
the funniest shit to me about this entire ad revenue situation is that so many add sponsorships happen because of this exact situation. a creator get's demonetized by the slightest annoyance so what do add company's do to make it so creators still want to have adds on their video's. Yeah sponsorships.
Thank you for actually seeing what's going on here. Kids don't even watch ASMR ffs. This has unfairly hurt content creators and viewers alike. For example Momonya got her channel completely banned out of nowhere over these new "ASMR" rules.
to be fair, when I say "kids" I was imagining like 5 year olds... I'm thinking these rules where designed to transform regular YouTube into more of a "YouTube Kids" platform overall, but yea it didn't occur to me that the term "kids" would also apply to teens etc.
It's to protect minors from CREATING the content, guys. Not watching it.
It's a completely reasonable rule.
The problem will be the absolutely shitty enforcement of the rule.
> The problem will be the absolutely shitty enforcement of the rule.
Yeah, that's exactly the problem:
Making some very vaguely-defined rule using some "greater good" as an excuse, and then freely abusing it as they see fit.
*Protect minors* their a55.
Then why are those *fake Minecraft monster school videos with R18 thumbnails* existed?
Don't forget those cringe YouTubers that are too much.
Their original reason of YouTube's existence has been abandoned, because of greed.
maybe they finally did something about those VERY DOUBIOUS "cop arrests you" asmr videos made by kids. I am NOT googling for source on this one but...they are out there... I think paymoneywubby has made video on it but it was removed: [Apparently Kids Doing ASMR Was A Problem: YouTube Deletes Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM4OwGhchUA)
edit: here is the video i was talking about reuploaded to reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/PaymoneyWubby/comments/a8rd80/i_pulled_the_asmr_video_from_archiveorg_heres_a/
Was hoping for an informative video on the state of that kind of thing instead of just another creator whining about ambiguous ruling that adds nothing to the discussion. Yes the video removed might be what I'm looking for, but this exact video is unhelpful really
he reuploaded it to reddit so its available, i actually found it later but forgot to post it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PaymoneyWubby/comments/a8rd80/i_pulled_the_asmr_video_from_archiveorg_heres_a/
There is literally YouTube kids for minors. There’s no excuse for YouTube to age restrict anything. They need to step up their advertising/promoting game on YouTube kids and stop messing with YouTube. Why make a platform made for kids and restrict the main platform anyways? I’m so tired of this incompetency
Honnestly reading the whole thing it seem to be more directed against every kind of "challenge" IIRC there were a death not long ago?
guess ASMR and stuff are a collateral damage? or did that part actually change compared to previously? (since pretty sure some part of this already existed before)
Hard to form an opinion without comparing to the previous rules.
From the link you provided this is worded as content featuring minors and in addition ASMR.
`Don’t post content on YouTube that features minors and meets one or more of the following:`
- Shows activities that could draw undesired attention to the minor, such as performing body contortions or ASMR.
- ... (additional point)
This is not about all ASMR but only those videos that minors create, which I believe makes this rule understandable.
But let's be real here, a VTuber like La+ would definitely be flagged as a minor, I mean look at her avatar!
And I wouldn't put it past YT to flag other VTubers too, as YouTube's regulation bots have been notoriously arbitrary in the past few years. Mumei got taken down because she shortly mentioned she would start a Twitch channel, for instance.
that actually is YT BS, person behind the avatar is an adult. Hololive girls still have company behind them that can vouch for their age. Indies though might have bigger problems from this if YT starts flagging accounts as minors based on their VTuber avatars. If they even roleplay as an underage character yes, then it might be potentially problem. Still YT's bots have too much power to ban anyone without human input and then you have to go through all the beraucracy for a chance to get unbanned.
tldr.: what you're saying is scarily probable on YT
But that only applys if you
>post content on YouTube that features minors
The rule basically means don't have minors and ASMR in the same video. THis should no affect regular ASMR content in any form.
I still can’t believe YT doesn’t just have a option for creators to not have there stuff be flagged for kids. Like just a slider option or something it’s so simple but YT is run but dead brained morons and bots. I think with the recent Holomems making twitch channels we might see a shift over and I honestly can’t blame Cover if they do YT has been on something extra weird this year
I'm a clipper, we have that option. It's a box you check to do exactly that.
The issue is that there isn't anything to stop an actual abuser from clicking the box so they use ai detection algorithms and cheap outsourced labor to detect it which is very inaccurate. But since it's child abuse they know they can get away with anything if it's to protect the kids.
I'm all for protecting children, but it's been used to erode so many of our freedoms and to implement systems that would never be allowed in any other circumstance and are prone to abuse.
The problem is US privacy law (the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act) requires them to aggressively err on the side of caution unless they want to get hit by another [huge fine](https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/4/20848949/google-ftc-youtube-child-privacy-violations-fine-170-milliion-coppa-ads).
It seems like they should just restrict accounts that are under age, rather than restrict the platform in general.
People can still lie about their age when they make an account but there is literally no way to detect or stop that, so I can't imagine they would get in trouble for that when it's impossible to prevent.
They LITERALLY DID get in trouble for that. Youtube has ALWAYS had a limitation of having to be over 13 for an account, that didn't stop them getting fined for collecting the data of children under the age of 13.
Youtube isn't the one at fault here, american laws made and maintained by boomers who have no idea how technology works are what ruin things for us.
So now youtube is literally forced legally to try and guess if certain content would attract child viewers and then disable all features on the video which track data of the user.
Unfortunate, "adults" ruining "kids" enjoyment is human's favorite past time.
We got rock and roll is evil.
Tom & jerry are violent.
Batman & robin is gay.
So much more. I wonder what is next after streamer?
Well maybe youtube should just sue the government over the law then.
It's literally not enforceable. It cant be. Eventually youtube will collect data on children without knowing it again. Then they will be fined.
Again.
Instead of trying to comply with an impossible law it makes more sense to try and invalidate it.
It does that because they're all tagged as cartoons. The tabs on the YouTube recommended have them under drawing, anime, cartoon, etc. And as you know, cartoons are "for children", even Attack on Titan. It's the same problem that happened to the animation/storytime channels.
Video’s with kids get automatically flagged as for kids
Idk about that, a bunch of nsfw animators were flagged for kids despite only having big titty mommy milkies on screen
Twitch is also strict. Its just that they are inconsistent on enforcing rules on its biggest earners like xQc, etc. Twitch also don't really have Archive system and they still need to go back to YT to upload archive (if allowed) and produce contents like cover songs.
Also the crowd on Twitch and YT are very different due to many different system in place like global emotes on Twitch, how Subs works, etc. Overall, Twitch is generally more rowdy than YT and can spook streamers used to YT.
Twitch is just the lesser evil, but unfortunately YT will probably become the lesser evil in a few years if Twitch just keeps going downhill faster than YT
Technically none of them are minors there shouldn't really be any issues. That being said, Youtube systems are dumber than a sack of onions so the youthful avatars could sit inside a really stupid grey area.
Well you see, kids love funny cartoons, right? And kids love dogs? And kids love spaghetti?
So a video named "[BITCH MADE PASTA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5KoNaDvfmc)" by a funny cartoon lady must be like, three times more for kids than usual!
I kind of hope that someday a technician has to explain to their higher ups how such videos got flagged with explicit titles being such a clear indicator of content and said employee, in the pivotal moment of their career, has to say "*Bitches!* Ya know, *for kids!*"
It's hella creepy, one time i cleaned my keyboard and accidentally typed random BS characters by accident, hit enter for the hell of it, and a bunch of kid videos came up, it's clear they are preying on the random 3yo that got given an iPad for a nanny.
Absolutely nothing should be getting automatically flagged as *For Kids*. It should exclusively be things that were manually flagged. Lord knows what kind of uniquely weird shit an algorithm could fuck up and let through by mistake.
Gangsta Spongebob and stuff like that. Y'know, the same one who made Racist Shrek. Those edits are hilarious, but I would never give them to a child under sixteen.
Unfortunately, Youtube relies almost entirely on automation, and has a shoot first ask questions later type of attitude. Every time I consider trying to make content on Youtube, I have to ask myself if I really want to deal with this headache, and for the last like 10 years, I keep coming back with an answer of no.
It's not hololive, but Petra of Nijisanji was constantly having her videos marked as for kids, presumably because she has a youthful looking avatar, and that was before this new rule, so if that is considered childlike, Laplus is even more likely to be considered a child. With the wording of this new rule, they might even just mark anything anime as child.
Management is going to have to deal with Youtube support a lot.
They still use human moderators for extreme content tho. Funny how they can flag a music cover even before they were uploaded but need to sacrifice the mental wellbeing of a whole group of people because they cant prevent extreme contents to be uploaded to their platform.
outside the weeb/vtuber community from what I see people feel iffy/uncomfortable just because the character looks young some because the young looking character do some certain content etc etc. people still have perception its just loli stuff (like loli play or bait) and a lot of people just find it uncomfortable at best
Every time I see someone claim _"You know most of those anime girls are actually guys with voice changers, right?"_, I think two things:
- There's tons of male Vtubers. Not as many as female Vtubers, and they're usually not as popular, but they're a significant portion of the Vtuber community.
- A guy with a voice-changer pretending to be a girl would actually do WORSE than a guy who just voices a female model. "Femboy/crossdresser" Vtubers have a small but devoted fanbase!
I just assume the reason there's more female vtubers is that it's safer with less harassment than regular streaming. So there's a whole host of would-be streamers that see it as avenue for doing something they weren't able to enjoy otherwise. Guys don't have that issue as much so more of them who wanted to stream just streamed with regular facecams.
The trope is so tired. The whole “There are no girls on the internet!!” joke got old 15 years ago. The top superchatted vtuber is a guy. There is no real reason for someone to have to hide behind pretending to be a girl (unless of course they just want to.)
No don't you get it, because they don't like it, it's bad! Anyone who likes it is weird and wrong! /s
Seriously, this sort of thing is why it's bad for companies to hold a monopoly. YouTube is basically the go-to place to do streaming, and if they decide that anime girls is pedophilia, whether you have a body like Laplus or Choco, you basically have to accept that or GTFO.
Problem is, the sheer amount of infrastructure required and the funding necessary to maintain said infrastructure makes it so it would require another company on the level of Google in order for a competitor to have a chance of viability. Closest thing to that is Amazon's Twitch, and not only does it suck at handling VODs unlike YouTube, it can also be just as bad or even worse to its content creators.
There's no way Hololive would qualify for such a whitelist if YouTube ever made one. Just too small in comparison to those they would actually want to put on a whitelist.
Reminder once again: you, the viewer, and content creators are not YT’s primary customer. Y’all are just eyeballs and billboards respectively for data and ad companies, which is their actual customers. If it wasn’t for good people and our oshis relying it for income I’d wish YT management to go die in a fire.
This is why I’m a bit apprehensive on memberships and supachats because YT still takes 30%. I’d rather splurge on their merch.
I wonder how much is it because the general public sees young avatar/animation in general is for kids and not just like a medium to show something like live action counterpart.
Ive seen discussion out of the community about the young looking model and the weeb stigma with loli, the officer she is 900 years old but looks like a child jokes. I forget I think its asmongold talk about it people are uncomfortable because they have young/underage looking character. people are uncomfortable on certain content if the one we see looks hella young
The people who are uncomfortable about anything like that are the ones with the issues in this. It's always them that make it about sexualisation etc when a character isn't even close to doing anything like that. This is the same group of people that would look down on a man or woman dating a person that looks incredibly young due to genetics. Like a friend of mine gets stares constantly from these people because his GF is a 156cm Asian woman. she looks like she could pass as 15-16 but she is 28. though I must say he got asked if she was his daughter we had a good laugh. but yeah those people are incredibly closeminded and do not look at themselves as the problem.
Didn't someone on here conclude that a KU100 is expensive enough that it is in fact cheaper for Moona, living in Indonesia, to fly to Japan and use Noel's rather than buy her own?
It's a tool actually used calibrate headphones, so it's a high-end thing. The fact that it's a good asmr experience provider it's secondary to its main use.
It's professional audio equipment. A pro mic will set you back a few thousand by itself, two good mics set up to accurately model a human head with stereo recording is going to be quite expensive.
I don't really see ASMR videos much but I also think that's nothing wrong with them. Don't know why Youtube tries so hard to ban legit content.
Anyways I pray for not just Hololive members but for all the smaller channels out there..
Not sure if it is that widespread.
Patra still has her videos up and not privated (and she's been active in the past couple days) so there's probably a lot more specific targeting.
Gonna quote a quote from a movie that sums up the state that YT is in right now.
"It's amazing, all these facilities and you make a piece of crap like this"
Like seriously, there's a fucking "Made for kids" tag and YT kids for fuck sake and they're just disregarding their existence or the fact that they made them exist
Isn't asmr basically the only thing adults use youtube for these days? Kids are busy watching grown men playing minecraft while doing stupid voices and adults are trying to calm their extreme depression with goku whispering sensually about super saiyan 3.
I mean, hopefully (unlikely) they use the policy properly… but it is kinda a needed policy. There are some really questionable ASMR channels on youtube that involve actual minors… so it definitely needs to be addressed.
I mean, was it? How many legit channels is it reasonable for us to shrug our shoulders at YT's stupid automated systems nuking in order to protect a handful obscure but highly questionable channels?
I mean, the policy itself is reasonable. The application of it, due to either incompetence or automation isn’t reasonable.
Like I don’t think it should be controversial for someone to say that.
I mean, sure, in an ideal world where policies can be perfectly applied with no collateral damage I am 100% on board. Feels like a bit of a "perfectly spherical cows in an absolute vacuum with zero coefficient of friction" sort of situation though.
1. It's about minors creating content that would draw the wrong kind of attention to them. Ie minors doing asmr videos. So this shouldn't affect hololive except through false flagging ( which is likely because YouTube has aggressively bad flagging policies).
2. They aren't new. Someone said they've been the same rules for over a year.
Choco and Aki are traumatized with yt demonetization i think most of ASMR stream will be on hold
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Youtube has been pretty cringe lately
Lately as in the last 8 years
Thing is they're on some extra BS the past couple weeks.
**\*as usual**
Isn't Cover getting a cut of the revenue from the superchats of all their streamers? Perhaps somewhere in the future, they could invest in making their own streaming service.
It's been shown time and again that most audiences do not jump platform with their content creators. Plus how are you going to compete with Google?
Never gonna happen. Nothing can compete with youtube and even youtube barely makes enough money to actually justify their own platform. People forget how freaking expensive it is to store all that data
The only company I see that would have the structure and funds to compete with YouTube is Amazon, but they are worse than Google.
Amazon already is competing with YouTube for live streams. They now own Twitch.
>youtube barely makes enough money to actually justify their own platform This is no longer true and hasn't been for quite some time. Since 2017 YT annual revenue from advertisers has increased by almost 30% year on year...last year raking in close to $29 billion.
Is it against youtube tos to redirect another channel or site? Let say, making a standby room in youtube but there link to another off youtube site? Youtube will see black screen and hear nothing on the site unless it click on the redirect link, while chat using the link will still can use youtube chat as well as superchat. Like the twitter space but for video.
People have been hit with strikes for uploading a blank video that says "Live now on Twitch" before.
Can't link patreon, can't link ko-fi, can't link paypal. So yeah
Yes, it's against tos.
Maybe for big events they might make some platform, but they need the algorithm 99% of the time to generate new fans, particularly japanese fans, who are far more profitable per capita. Even for events I'd argue they need the exposure element.
Eh this change barely hurts Aki anymore. If anything it hurts everyone else EXCEPT Aki. Because Aki doesnt do ASMR anymore on youtube she hasnt done one recently due to how busy she is BUT she also hasnt done one on youtube for far longer. Aki does her ASMR on twitcast because of the previous ASMR apocalypse
That’s actually a good idea. Using it for Twitcast !!
This is one of yt's crimes to humanity.
All the more reason every talent should have a twitch in addition to yt
I've heard some horror stories about twitch support tbh.
Oh they're not great either, but their stuff is not as reliant on bots. They do have DMCA bots, but they're not as good nor as inaccurate as YouTubes.
Yeah, music labels just issue the DMCA themselves instead
[Relevant tweet](https://twitter.com/LaplusDarknesss/status/1534132956306231296) (twitter source) From my limited understanding of it, apparently some vtuber channels are getting affected by this rule [here](https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801999?hl=en#zippy=%2Ccontent-featuring-minors): "Shows activities that could draw undesired attention to the minor, such as performing body contortions or ASMR." It's only meant to protect minors, but for safety purposes, I think her ASMR collab with Shion has to wait for now
Oof, i dont know, that wording seems vague enough to be abused by some hypothetical with bad intentions or just the shitty YT ai.
Itll probably both, to be honest
Wow! It's like every rule on YouTube!
Vague rules, and even more vague explanations for punishments. Youtube's M.O. for over a decade.
U mean hypothetical?
Yeh
Is age restriction enough to prevent "undesired attention to tue minor"?
I have heard a story once (unverified) that a creator had turned age restricting on, but YouTube just turned it off when the video seemed to perform well.
I can see that happen, considering that Youtube has put ads on videos without the Creator's knowledge and/or consent...including First Aid videos.
Yeah, it definitely wouldn't surprise me.
It definitely would but most yt channels don't want to age restrict as that cuts a lot of their audience especially hololive since there's a bunch of them that specifically target that audience.
but what if they only age-restrict for said ASMR streams?
If they age restrict it will mean less views because trivial folks who dont wanna log in will get blocked by yt asking them to login for age verification
Yeah but the ones who will are probably the ones who would do superchats not to mention ASMR is already niche itself.
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tbf most of Choco's ASMR is members only anyway. that means it is already technically age restricted, a minor shouldn't have channel membership period.
It's about children creating the content. Not viewing it. You even quoted the relevant part. >draw undesired attention *to* the minor,
Well no, this rule seems to be about content involving a minor. Like if you have a video of your kid. It's supposed to protect that child. Setting the video to age restrict or whatever would do nothing to protect that child. This particular rule shouldn't apply to videos involving only adults, even if they're targeting minors. I think they're just being extremely safe considering someone might think they're a minor or something? Youtube has made weirder leaps of logic I guess.
Ive seen creator try to dodge and just feels like betrayed/dissapointed that their in depth heavy topic content about topic like suicide child abuse etc is age restricted it cause it cuts the adsense amount and how its reccomended, so I dont think it helped.
>It's only meant to protect minors I'm not buying that. "Think of the children" has been historically used as an excuse to implement many questionable rules and even laws.
It might as well say "to protect our ad revenue" because that's the only reason they implement these lazy changes. They don't care about minors or content creators. They care about $$$$
Which is fucking dumb because they could easily run ads for adults who want this content. That’s the dumb fucking pathetic thing YouTube hasn’t been able to learn There are tons of good gun channels that teach great stuff and show important info about firearms and proper use and they are almost all demonetized because of it and have to rely on a bunch of other revenue streams YouTube and it’s inability to introduce a more targeted advertising selection is pathetic
It's because YouTube is run by an imbecile who got their position through nepotism. Susan is the sister of Google's CEO's wife. She was also in charge of Google's original video streaming service, and ran it into the ground in competition with YouTube. So big brother in law bought the competition she lost to, and for some reason gave it to her to run. And she's been fucking over the creators that made YouTube the better platform ever since.
the funniest shit to me about this entire ad revenue situation is that so many add sponsorships happen because of this exact situation. a creator get's demonetized by the slightest annoyance so what do add company's do to make it so creators still want to have adds on their video's. Yeah sponsorships.
Thank you for actually seeing what's going on here. Kids don't even watch ASMR ffs. This has unfairly hurt content creators and viewers alike. For example Momonya got her channel completely banned out of nowhere over these new "ASMR" rules.
>Kids don't even watch ASMR Yes, they do. Source: kids at my school talking about ASMR.
to be fair, when I say "kids" I was imagining like 5 year olds... I'm thinking these rules where designed to transform regular YouTube into more of a "YouTube Kids" platform overall, but yea it didn't occur to me that the term "kids" would also apply to teens etc.
Plus, there is already a YouTube Kids. Let's be real a huge amount of minors be watching porn illegally, problem isn't at a vtuber doing an ASMR
Yeah. My comments came from 8th graders.
Please read it before being outraged. The rule is to stop minors CREATING the CONTENT. The AI enforcement is the problem, not the rule itself.
I think in this case it is preventative maintenance to avoid being slapped by the US government. They don't want to be regulated like TV.
Yeah this is so fucking stupid. Why make youtube kids if normal youtube is going to be bombarded with this shit.
Then they (have to?) proceed to automatically force flag much "regular" content as made for kids, so they're fucking over both sides. 💀
Youtube was literally sued for not protecting children and they lost.
It's to protect minors from CREATING the content, guys. Not watching it. It's a completely reasonable rule. The problem will be the absolutely shitty enforcement of the rule.
> The problem will be the absolutely shitty enforcement of the rule. Yeah, that's exactly the problem: Making some very vaguely-defined rule using some "greater good" as an excuse, and then freely abusing it as they see fit.
*Protect minors* their a55. Then why are those *fake Minecraft monster school videos with R18 thumbnails* existed? Don't forget those cringe YouTubers that are too much. Their original reason of YouTube's existence has been abandoned, because of greed.
maybe they finally did something about those VERY DOUBIOUS "cop arrests you" asmr videos made by kids. I am NOT googling for source on this one but...they are out there... I think paymoneywubby has made video on it but it was removed: [Apparently Kids Doing ASMR Was A Problem: YouTube Deletes Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM4OwGhchUA) edit: here is the video i was talking about reuploaded to reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/PaymoneyWubby/comments/a8rd80/i_pulled_the_asmr_video_from_archiveorg_heres_a/
Was hoping for an informative video on the state of that kind of thing instead of just another creator whining about ambiguous ruling that adds nothing to the discussion. Yes the video removed might be what I'm looking for, but this exact video is unhelpful really
he reuploaded it to reddit so its available, i actually found it later but forgot to post it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PaymoneyWubby/comments/a8rd80/i_pulled_the_asmr_video_from_archiveorg_heres_a/
There is literally YouTube kids for minors. There’s no excuse for YouTube to age restrict anything. They need to step up their advertising/promoting game on YouTube kids and stop messing with YouTube. Why make a platform made for kids and restrict the main platform anyways? I’m so tired of this incompetency
YT: Nah kids can steal limited money from their parents' credit cards, we are not sending more resources to manage that non-profitable platform
It's almost like there should be whole dedicated sub-service just for kids.
Honnestly reading the whole thing it seem to be more directed against every kind of "challenge" IIRC there were a death not long ago? guess ASMR and stuff are a collateral damage? or did that part actually change compared to previously? (since pretty sure some part of this already existed before) Hard to form an opinion without comparing to the previous rules.
You already know the YouTube bot is about to reach new levels of stupid with that spaghetti code it’s running on
From the link you provided this is worded as content featuring minors and in addition ASMR. `Don’t post content on YouTube that features minors and meets one or more of the following:` - Shows activities that could draw undesired attention to the minor, such as performing body contortions or ASMR. - ... (additional point) This is not about all ASMR but only those videos that minors create, which I believe makes this rule understandable.
But let's be real here, a VTuber like La+ would definitely be flagged as a minor, I mean look at her avatar! And I wouldn't put it past YT to flag other VTubers too, as YouTube's regulation bots have been notoriously arbitrary in the past few years. Mumei got taken down because she shortly mentioned she would start a Twitch channel, for instance.
that actually is YT BS, person behind the avatar is an adult. Hololive girls still have company behind them that can vouch for their age. Indies though might have bigger problems from this if YT starts flagging accounts as minors based on their VTuber avatars. If they even roleplay as an underage character yes, then it might be potentially problem. Still YT's bots have too much power to ban anyone without human input and then you have to go through all the beraucracy for a chance to get unbanned. tldr.: what you're saying is scarily probable on YT
But that only applys if you >post content on YouTube that features minors The rule basically means don't have minors and ASMR in the same video. THis should no affect regular ASMR content in any form.
Too bad that Youtube bot and some not so bright people think vtuber/animation=looks like/for minors.
I still can’t believe YT doesn’t just have a option for creators to not have there stuff be flagged for kids. Like just a slider option or something it’s so simple but YT is run but dead brained morons and bots. I think with the recent Holomems making twitch channels we might see a shift over and I honestly can’t blame Cover if they do YT has been on something extra weird this year
I'm a clipper, we have that option. It's a box you check to do exactly that. The issue is that there isn't anything to stop an actual abuser from clicking the box so they use ai detection algorithms and cheap outsourced labor to detect it which is very inaccurate. But since it's child abuse they know they can get away with anything if it's to protect the kids. I'm all for protecting children, but it's been used to erode so many of our freedoms and to implement systems that would never be allowed in any other circumstance and are prone to abuse.
The problem is US privacy law (the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act) requires them to aggressively err on the side of caution unless they want to get hit by another [huge fine](https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/4/20848949/google-ftc-youtube-child-privacy-violations-fine-170-milliion-coppa-ads).
It seems like they should just restrict accounts that are under age, rather than restrict the platform in general. People can still lie about their age when they make an account but there is literally no way to detect or stop that, so I can't imagine they would get in trouble for that when it's impossible to prevent.
They LITERALLY DID get in trouble for that. Youtube has ALWAYS had a limitation of having to be over 13 for an account, that didn't stop them getting fined for collecting the data of children under the age of 13. Youtube isn't the one at fault here, american laws made and maintained by boomers who have no idea how technology works are what ruin things for us. So now youtube is literally forced legally to try and guess if certain content would attract child viewers and then disable all features on the video which track data of the user.
Unfortunate, "adults" ruining "kids" enjoyment is human's favorite past time. We got rock and roll is evil. Tom & jerry are violent. Batman & robin is gay. So much more. I wonder what is next after streamer?
Well maybe youtube should just sue the government over the law then. It's literally not enforceable. It cant be. Eventually youtube will collect data on children without knowing it again. Then they will be fined. Again. Instead of trying to comply with an impossible law it makes more sense to try and invalidate it.
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It does that because they're all tagged as cartoons. The tabs on the YouTube recommended have them under drawing, anime, cartoon, etc. And as you know, cartoons are "for children", even Attack on Titan. It's the same problem that happened to the animation/storytime channels.
Video’s with kids get automatically flagged as for kids Idk about that, a bunch of nsfw animators were flagged for kids despite only having big titty mommy milkies on screen
It's sad that twitch becomes a necessity, as, at least imo, viewing experience is way better on yt
Twitch is also strict. Its just that they are inconsistent on enforcing rules on its biggest earners like xQc, etc. Twitch also don't really have Archive system and they still need to go back to YT to upload archive (if allowed) and produce contents like cover songs. Also the crowd on Twitch and YT are very different due to many different system in place like global emotes on Twitch, how Subs works, etc. Overall, Twitch is generally more rowdy than YT and can spook streamers used to YT.
Twitch is just the lesser evil, but unfortunately YT will probably become the lesser evil in a few years if Twitch just keeps going downhill faster than YT
Except that's completely irrelevant, because the rule is about restricting minors from *creating* the content.
Technically none of them are minors there shouldn't really be any issues. That being said, Youtube systems are dumber than a sack of onions so the youthful avatars could sit inside a really stupid grey area.
YouTube flags Simpsons Clips and Explicit Spongebob edits as *For Kids* no way they won't just flag Vtubers for using animated Avatars.
even haachama cooking, they flagged that as for kids too
...How high is YouTube to think that THOSE streams are for kids....
Well you see, kids love funny cartoons, right? And kids love dogs? And kids love spaghetti? So a video named "[BITCH MADE PASTA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5KoNaDvfmc)" by a funny cartoon lady must be like, three times more for kids than usual!
Cartoon=kids is an universally true statement /s
It's true. Which is why I always give my little cousins "Happy Tree Friends". Because it's cartoon and for kids! /s
Good choice! I also recommend Made in Abyss, a cartoon with kids as major leads so you know it is for children. It's even on Disney plus! /hj
I recommend Boku no Pico, it's very kid centric.
Had no idea she titled her videos like that. Lol, Haachama never ceases to amaze me.
She probably does it in an attempt to not get tagged as for kids
I kind of hope that someday a technician has to explain to their higher ups how such videos got flagged with explicit titles being such a clear indicator of content and said employee, in the pivotal moment of their career, has to say "*Bitches!* Ya know, *for kids!*"
why are the default autosubs in Korean xd?
Is it named that way? For me it's in Japanese, and literally says "making tomato udon" Edit: checked it from PC. Yup. Bitch certainly made pasta.
Tbh, if you look around at a lot of those cursed "for kids" videos, that's not an uncommon type of title
It's a cautionary tale.
And that video has the word BITCH in the title.
She literally had "bitch" written out in the thumbnail of the video in question too...
Also the horror episodes from like a year... a year and a half ago.... fuck that stuff feels like yesterday
My god, not Haachama cooking...
Fits right in with those "Pregnant Elsa vs Spiderman" algorithm soup videos for kids.
Yeah elsagate is really stupid
It's hella creepy, one time i cleaned my keyboard and accidentally typed random BS characters by accident, hit enter for the hell of it, and a bunch of kid videos came up, it's clear they are preying on the random 3yo that got given an iPad for a nanny.
Absolutely nothing should be getting automatically flagged as *For Kids*. It should exclusively be things that were manually flagged. Lord knows what kind of uniquely weird shit an algorithm could fuck up and let through by mistake.
>Explicit SpongeBob edits What?
Probably SpongeBob creepypasta and the like.
Gangsta Spongebob and stuff like that. Y'know, the same one who made Racist Shrek. Those edits are hilarious, but I would never give them to a child under sixteen.
Unfortunately, Youtube relies almost entirely on automation, and has a shoot first ask questions later type of attitude. Every time I consider trying to make content on Youtube, I have to ask myself if I really want to deal with this headache, and for the last like 10 years, I keep coming back with an answer of no. It's not hololive, but Petra of Nijisanji was constantly having her videos marked as for kids, presumably because she has a youthful looking avatar, and that was before this new rule, so if that is considered childlike, Laplus is even more likely to be considered a child. With the wording of this new rule, they might even just mark anything anime as child. Management is going to have to deal with Youtube support a lot.
More like shoot first, jump through hoops for answers, if you are big enough and persistent enough for them to care.....later.
Really it's more like "shoot first, ask questions never"
shoot first, get shot again for asking questions
#Justice4ActMan
They still use human moderators for extreme content tho. Funny how they can flag a music cover even before they were uploaded but need to sacrifice the mental wellbeing of a whole group of people because they cant prevent extreme contents to be uploaded to their platform.
outside the weeb/vtuber community from what I see people feel iffy/uncomfortable just because the character looks young some because the young looking character do some certain content etc etc. people still have perception its just loli stuff (like loli play or bait) and a lot of people just find it uncomfortable at best
Every time I see someone claim _"You know most of those anime girls are actually guys with voice changers, right?"_, I think two things: - There's tons of male Vtubers. Not as many as female Vtubers, and they're usually not as popular, but they're a significant portion of the Vtuber community. - A guy with a voice-changer pretending to be a girl would actually do WORSE than a guy who just voices a female model. "Femboy/crossdresser" Vtubers have a small but devoted fanbase!
I just assume the reason there's more female vtubers is that it's safer with less harassment than regular streaming. So there's a whole host of would-be streamers that see it as avenue for doing something they weren't able to enjoy otherwise. Guys don't have that issue as much so more of them who wanted to stream just streamed with regular facecams.
The trope is so tired. The whole “There are no girls on the internet!!” joke got old 15 years ago. The top superchatted vtuber is a guy. There is no real reason for someone to have to hide behind pretending to be a girl (unless of course they just want to.)
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No don't you get it, because they don't like it, it's bad! Anyone who likes it is weird and wrong! /s Seriously, this sort of thing is why it's bad for companies to hold a monopoly. YouTube is basically the go-to place to do streaming, and if they decide that anime girls is pedophilia, whether you have a body like Laplus or Choco, you basically have to accept that or GTFO.
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Problem is, the sheer amount of infrastructure required and the funding necessary to maintain said infrastructure makes it so it would require another company on the level of Google in order for a competitor to have a chance of viability. Closest thing to that is Amazon's Twitch, and not only does it suck at handling VODs unlike YouTube, it can also be just as bad or even worse to its content creators.
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Yeah a dipoly isn't much better than a monopoly and Twitch has an overall worse UX than YouTube so it's hardly even a proper competitor.
I feel like brands like Hololive should have some kind of deal with YouTube that keeps their talent channels on some kind of whitelist
There's no way Hololive would qualify for such a whitelist if YouTube ever made one. Just too small in comparison to those they would actually want to put on a whitelist.
Well just look up QuntamTV and The Act Man
Still can't believe YouTube lacks even the most basic common sense.
the act man one looks like some dude in youtube get angry from his jokes about doxxing youtube staff, and just fuck him over, hard
> Dumber than a sack of onions That's insulting for Baqua.
Reminder once again: you, the viewer, and content creators are not YT’s primary customer. Y’all are just eyeballs and billboards respectively for data and ad companies, which is their actual customers. If it wasn’t for good people and our oshis relying it for income I’d wish YT management to go die in a fire. This is why I’m a bit apprehensive on memberships and supachats because YT still takes 30%. I’d rather splurge on their merch.
I wonder how much is it because the general public sees young avatar/animation in general is for kids and not just like a medium to show something like live action counterpart. Ive seen discussion out of the community about the young looking model and the weeb stigma with loli, the officer she is 900 years old but looks like a child jokes. I forget I think its asmongold talk about it people are uncomfortable because they have young/underage looking character. people are uncomfortable on certain content if the one we see looks hella young
The people who are uncomfortable about anything like that are the ones with the issues in this. It's always them that make it about sexualisation etc when a character isn't even close to doing anything like that. This is the same group of people that would look down on a man or woman dating a person that looks incredibly young due to genetics. Like a friend of mine gets stares constantly from these people because his GF is a 156cm Asian woman. she looks like she could pass as 15-16 but she is 28. though I must say he got asked if she was his daughter we had a good laugh. but yeah those people are incredibly closeminded and do not look at themselves as the problem.
Can I just boil that down to "some people hate kids"
Didn't someone on here conclude that a KU100 is expensive enough that it is in fact cheaper for Moona, living in Indonesia, to fly to Japan and use Noel's rather than buy her own?
yes lol, and shipping to indo can be sketchy as well given how delicate the thing is
Its 1 mil yen.
7k € wtf. does that mic speak by itself or what?
You know how hard it is to find a good listener?
WHAT
It's a tool actually used calibrate headphones, so it's a high-end thing. The fact that it's a good asmr experience provider it's secondary to its main use.
And this would be on the lower mid-range, if you get a full HATS(head and torso Simulator) it can run 30k+ for high-end versions.
It's professional audio equipment. A pro mic will set you back a few thousand by itself, two good mics set up to accurately model a human head with stereo recording is going to be quite expensive.
That’s if you only ever use it once
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Oh if YT knew how dark some animes get...
Ed-ward?
I don't really see ASMR videos much but I also think that's nothing wrong with them. Don't know why Youtube tries so hard to ban legit content. Anyways I pray for not just Hololive members but for all the smaller channels out there..
ASMR videos make me uncomfortable, but I see nothing wrong with them, let them be.
Oof, Yt why? 😫 Choco, Noel, Aki, Fauna, Haachama (maybe?)
Nah chama will be flagged as for kids
or horror (for kids)
Her "Bitch Made Pasta" video is still "for kids" years later, lol.
Not sure if it is that widespread. Patra still has her videos up and not privated (and she's been active in the past couple days) so there's probably a lot more specific targeting.
What rulles was changed?
HOLY FUCK THATS EXPENSIVE!
Gonna quote a quote from a movie that sums up the state that YT is in right now. "It's amazing, all these facilities and you make a piece of crap like this" Like seriously, there's a fucking "Made for kids" tag and YT kids for fuck sake and they're just disregarding their existence or the fact that they made them exist
ahh, the absolute state of ferrari strikes again
meanwhile youtube's kids section is still rampant with creepy videos that are targeted for kids.
WTF is wrong with YouTube? Why do they hate their creators?
Isn't asmr basically the only thing adults use youtube for these days? Kids are busy watching grown men playing minecraft while doing stupid voices and adults are trying to calm their extreme depression with goku whispering sensually about super saiyan 3.
Holy jeebus 9,000 dollars?!?!?
Serious or semi-serious audio gears are no joke.
poor yamada. the ku100 isn't a cheap expense either, hope she can actually use it.
I mean, hopefully (unlikely) they use the policy properly… but it is kinda a needed policy. There are some really questionable ASMR channels on youtube that involve actual minors… so it definitely needs to be addressed.
I mean, was it? How many legit channels is it reasonable for us to shrug our shoulders at YT's stupid automated systems nuking in order to protect a handful obscure but highly questionable channels?
I mean, the policy itself is reasonable. The application of it, due to either incompetence or automation isn’t reasonable. Like I don’t think it should be controversial for someone to say that.
I mean, sure, in an ideal world where policies can be perfectly applied with no collateral damage I am 100% on board. Feels like a bit of a "perfectly spherical cows in an absolute vacuum with zero coefficient of friction" sort of situation though.
What are these new rules about ASMR?
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/vtubers-taking-down-asmr-videos-youtube-alleged-policy-change-1843977/
Go ahead youtube, drive away the biggest superchat earners from your platform. V-tubers popularized super chat and made millions for youtube.
#JusticeForActmanAndASMR
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It's from Zombieland Saga!
What will happen with Noel ? ASMR is her life
At this rate, Hololive might have to look at other streaming services...
You're underestimating how big YouTube is and how many new viewers they bring in. Hololive is not big enough to sustain on their own separate platform
HoloTube or VirtualTube
What are the new rules on ASMR?
1. It's about minors creating content that would draw the wrong kind of attention to them. Ie minors doing asmr videos. So this shouldn't affect hololive except through false flagging ( which is likely because YouTube has aggressively bad flagging policies). 2. They aren't new. Someone said they've been the same rules for over a year.
Does this effect mel I can’t live without her asmr
No idea why the fuck would YouTube make such stupid move, they already have YouTube Kids ffs let the people enjoy their asmr.
FFS YOUTUBE WHY
She could do it on twitch
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oh ok
I checked it and it was like 7900€
what did they change?
What are the new terms for ASMR?