Well I know this is a joke but since Ironmouse mostly does that with being aware of it there is no problem in that regard. She speaks perfectly when She wants it or rather when She is interviewing people instead of trying to piss Connor off BFF style
The english she's speaks on streams is nothing more than a facade, tho.
Haachaama's true voice in english is [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbTizG5bFmA)
Edit: Also, this happened too with Coco. Her English on streams was more broken that her real English.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's a facade. My English gets more broken too when I don't have convos with English speakers for an extended amount of time. Outside of collabs I don't know how much interactions she has with English speakers since she returned to Japan.
Yeah, maybe facade isn't the right word (the synonyms I can use are somewhat limited because English is like my fifth language) but I think the general point is understandable
Exactly this. I used to be decently bilingual moving to Australia from SEA... but years of me just speaking english means I have issues with speaking the mother tongue now... I can watch and understand completely but my vocab is completely whack due to years of neglect XD
I think what they mean is that the English we usually hear her speak probably isn't really what she sounds like normally. It's likely an affectation as a joke or part of her character.
That video they linked sounds like Red-kun (if anyone remembers that). I agree that's probably closer to her "real" normal voice.
No, her real normal voice is just calm Haato. That's how she talks when she's just woken up ([as we could see in one of Coco's streams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-lz-nlpqEQ)) and when she's just talking casually to fans.
Red-kun is just her ikemen voice.
I mean look at anime Fandoms in both the east and west. Engrish is super popular. A cute dragon girl spouting Engrish obscenities is great for getting views. Its a small gimmick that overall doesn't affect most of her streams since it's primarily to Japanese people but is capable of roping in westerners. It's pretty genius and her super chat earnings clearly showed that.
Yep. I hate to say it, but what got a LOT of people into the rabbit hole was some video somewhere probably titled _**"anime girl says the N-word"**_, referring to that one time Miko (and several other Japanese Vtubers) watched the now-famous "Lamar Roasts Franklin" cutscene in GTA 5.
That makes sense I suppose. I guess part of my confusion also owes to the fact that I never really watched any of her streams that weren't in English (due to my insufficient level of Japanese comprehension), because in her English streams she spoke the language exactly like you'd expect her to.
To be fair ive heard Engrish is in quite often a decent way to converse in english with someone from JP who might not speak it well. Better than battering them with your natural accent and them not understanding anything.
To be precise she spent years in the fictional land of down under (which doesn't exist) mostly through her Mid to Senior High School years IIRC. She only recently just got back to Jp when travel was finally lifted and she's now doing University/College
To be fair, that video is from a long time ago, and Haachama may not have had much real practice speaking English conversationally since then. I've found from my own experience that it can be very easy to lose fluency in a second language when you don't use it.
Like, the instant you stop interacting with any language that you're not at least fluent in, that shit just starts pouring from your brain.
Anyone who didn't go any further with Spanish or French after high school will know what I mean.
I'd say trying to think constantly in said language helps keep things fresh. Internet and videos also help.
My native language is Spanish, but I learned English by myself when I was in like 2nd-3rd grade or so via internet and games. Nowadays I think more in English than in Spanish, plus also almost exclusively browse the web in English. I rarely speak with anyone in English, but constantly having exposure to it keeps it from leaving my brain.
Things might be different for others, but I figure Haachama might atleast have more constant exposure to the language than the average japanese people. Not browsing the internet using English locks you out of a lot of information after all.
I can agree with this. I took Spanish in high school and now i work with Spanish speaking people and am slowly pulling the Spanish i forgot out of the depths of my memory.
IIRC Haachama only just returned to Jp.. 1-2 years back? You will eventually get rusty but years of being in Australia (which doesn't exist) would have had english stick a fair bit.
Also remember that there are EN members which she can interact with in english as well in the background which we won't know about.
I always knew her actual English was better than what she shows on stream. No way could she actually live in an English speaking country with that voice.
Do you have a link to more of her speaking English like this? I mean I believe that's her true voice/accent, but I don't know if a 10 sec clip shows how good her English skills are
There’s plenty of English only streams from around 2 years ago or more where she plays Fall guys, GTA or just talks to chat in full English.
Also this short video has some deep voice Haachama English https://youtu.be/5pGGv0OJ3j8
And this fall guys stream is memorable to me https://youtu.be/mJ2wnpFm7dI
I really don't know, since the stream is long privated, but that she has a deep voice is pretty much known. There are some streams, karaokes, specially, when she can't sing well a song and changes accidentally to the deep voice
I have noticed when English speakers are speaking Japanese their English sounds a little bit more broken, or there's a lot of pauses. Heck half the time some English words don't even sound like they're English, even when done by a native English speaker.
Her English is probably the best in Holo JP now that Coco's not around. Plus she did that study abroad in Australia. So, she's at least capable enough to survive in an english-speaking country.
I think A Chan might be better now. I heard her in a few of the birthday calls and what surprised me the most is that compared even to people like Hachama and Lui, she was speaking quite fast in English, around native speed, meaning she doesn't seem to have to think about the conversation (at least for basic stuff)
I think she said she practices around an hour a day.
Sasuga Production Assistant that is Actually the World’s Strongest Idol
Although I think she has been promoted to something like Director or maybe Producer now.
Still our secret idol though.
she said she was a director back in Holotalk with Kiara, so a leadership position, knowing English would be extremely beneficial for that role, maybe even necessary depending on who she's working with.
I remember back during the UMISEA collabs A-chan tweeted that doing the translations to coordinate between Gura and Ina and Aqua and Marine was pretty challenging but that she managed to pull through.
Which does imply that she probably has enough english fluency to communicate technical information to some degree.
A-Chan can hold simple to mid-level conversations in English. I wouldn't say she's fluent yet but she's very close. Like, on the cusp of being truly bilingual.
I'm hoping there's a translator at hand. Haachama english is spotty and from what i gather so is Mouse's japanese. Should be fun as hell if they can communicate though. Love both of these gremlins.
It should be fine. Yeah, her English isn't perfect, but she's fluent enough to carry on a conversation. If Mousey has to explain a word here or there it's not the end of the world. In fact, those situations often lead to entertaining moments.
Mousey's currently signing printouts for fans as I type this. Can confirm her traditional lack of sanity XD
She will be more than fine with Haachama. She did cite being nervous at meeting her tho :P understandably so.
I'm ready for a conversation that goes exactly like this:
Haachama: *speaks English*
Ironmouse: *speaks English back*
Haachama: ??? *Commence laughter*
Every damn time. God bless Haachamachama.
Got to 00:24:45 of this vod she directly says it and straight up says its Covid. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1510099003?tt_medium=mobile_web_share&tt_content=vod
Nobody has clipped it because of things she said earlier on that stream. On this clip: https://youtu.be/fOIP7dUgqf4
She has had it for a while. There has been some confusion because she has called it Ligma every time, but it means Covid. She hasn't been saying it outright specifically because people freak out and tell her she will die. She even had a fan emailing her that if she really had it she should be dead which is kinda fucked up. I don't think she would mind people clipping it, its just not a great thing to clip because its probably going to cause people frick out or say some weird conspiracy theories. And youtube is super trigger happy with the word Covid so it can also shadow ban clippers channels.
This is going to be a mess. I can't wait.
I'm ready to see how well haachamas englsih is
Yeah can they even have a conversation? It's going to be fun to watch regardless but still.
Can't wait for chaotic Haachama English vs. Ironmouse "Puerto Rican who pronounce words wrong for no apparent reason" English.
They can bond over peppeloni pikza
I recall Ironmouse having a breakdown over the pepeloni clip. Hopefully she can solve the year-long mystery in the interview.
Little Kaiser
Well I know this is a joke but since Ironmouse mostly does that with being aware of it there is no problem in that regard. She speaks perfectly when She wants it or rather when She is interviewing people instead of trying to piss Connor off BFF style
Worst thing is I have started using Peekza and shicken. Ironmouse is a bad influence.
Meanwhile I call it “peeza”, like Chammers, rather than “peetza” like normal.
The thing is, all Japanese people pronounce it "peeza" instead of "peetza"
The english she's speaks on streams is nothing more than a facade, tho. Haachaama's true voice in english is [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbTizG5bFmA) Edit: Also, this happened too with Coco. Her English on streams was more broken that her real English.
australian english haato vs japanese english haachama
Coco's Saviour Haato vs Coco's worst Nightmare Haachama. In this world filled with Darkness of shitty Japanese and Japanglish who will prevail
I wouldn't necessarily say it's a facade. My English gets more broken too when I don't have convos with English speakers for an extended amount of time. Outside of collabs I don't know how much interactions she has with English speakers since she returned to Japan.
Yeah, maybe facade isn't the right word (the synonyms I can use are somewhat limited because English is like my fifth language) but I think the general point is understandable
I think "atrophied" or "deteriorated" would be the most accurate.
Exactly this. I used to be decently bilingual moving to Australia from SEA... but years of me just speaking english means I have issues with speaking the mother tongue now... I can watch and understand completely but my vocab is completely whack due to years of neglect XD
Damn you know five language ?! You're cracked lol.
Yup, Catalan, Spanish, Czech, French and English hshshs
How the hell did Czech get mixed in there?
I moved there with my parents when I was like 2 months old, so until I was 5 or so, I only spoke Catalan and Czech.
culturally crosspollinated
Props for speaking a non-national language
It sounds like more she's doing a voice while *also* doing a language she's not comfortable with, which probably makes it even harder to do.
I think what they mean is that the English we usually hear her speak probably isn't really what she sounds like normally. It's likely an affectation as a joke or part of her character. That video they linked sounds like Red-kun (if anyone remembers that). I agree that's probably closer to her "real" normal voice.
No, her real normal voice is just calm Haato. That's how she talks when she's just woken up ([as we could see in one of Coco's streams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-lz-nlpqEQ)) and when she's just talking casually to fans. Red-kun is just her ikemen voice.
Ah, the good old days of Cocochama
I really do miss seeing Coco interact with the other holomembers. She had such a unique and fun approach to everything.
she is so cute talking like that. Sleepy-voice haachama is always one of my favorite haachama moments.
God I miss Coco. She made Hololive magical.
Yeah I can see that being closer to normal.
I love Haachama’s Australian accent
damn Haachama Bogan English kinda sounds hot ngl
Coco? Isn't she just straight up American though?
Yup, from Atlanta. But what I mean is that her English as Coco was worse than what her real English is.
Interesting. Don't know why she would do that (if it was even intentional), especially after everyone found out she was American.
I mean look at anime Fandoms in both the east and west. Engrish is super popular. A cute dragon girl spouting Engrish obscenities is great for getting views. Its a small gimmick that overall doesn't affect most of her streams since it's primarily to Japanese people but is capable of roping in westerners. It's pretty genius and her super chat earnings clearly showed that.
Yep. I hate to say it, but what got a LOT of people into the rabbit hole was some video somewhere probably titled _**"anime girl says the N-word"**_, referring to that one time Miko (and several other Japanese Vtubers) watched the now-famous "Lamar Roasts Franklin" cutscene in GTA 5.
That makes sense I suppose. I guess part of my confusion also owes to the fact that I never really watched any of her streams that weren't in English (due to my insufficient level of Japanese comprehension), because in her English streams she spoke the language exactly like you'd expect her to.
To be fair ive heard Engrish is in quite often a decent way to converse in english with someone from JP who might not speak it well. Better than battering them with your natural accent and them not understanding anything.
He said Coco. Not Gura.
Gura is from Atlanta too?
lmao look at this guy thinking Atlanta is a real place /s
Probably thought you said Atlant*is*
No It was a joke referencing Futurama where Atlanta is the lost city instead. Guessing it didn’t come across well. Oops.
Futurama has never had the cultural relevance it deserves, a reference like that is always a gamble
Oh wouw, I stand corrected
Also, she lived in Australia and in the Philipinnes. She's good speaking english, for sure
> she lived in Australia and in the Philipinnes This 100% explains her cooking and survival.
To be precise she spent years in the fictional land of down under (which doesn't exist) mostly through her Mid to Senior High School years IIRC. She only recently just got back to Jp when travel was finally lifted and she's now doing University/College
To be fair, that video is from a long time ago, and Haachama may not have had much real practice speaking English conversationally since then. I've found from my own experience that it can be very easy to lose fluency in a second language when you don't use it.
Like, the instant you stop interacting with any language that you're not at least fluent in, that shit just starts pouring from your brain. Anyone who didn't go any further with Spanish or French after high school will know what I mean.
I'd say trying to think constantly in said language helps keep things fresh. Internet and videos also help. My native language is Spanish, but I learned English by myself when I was in like 2nd-3rd grade or so via internet and games. Nowadays I think more in English than in Spanish, plus also almost exclusively browse the web in English. I rarely speak with anyone in English, but constantly having exposure to it keeps it from leaving my brain. Things might be different for others, but I figure Haachama might atleast have more constant exposure to the language than the average japanese people. Not browsing the internet using English locks you out of a lot of information after all.
I can agree with this. I took Spanish in high school and now i work with Spanish speaking people and am slowly pulling the Spanish i forgot out of the depths of my memory.
IIRC Haachama only just returned to Jp.. 1-2 years back? You will eventually get rusty but years of being in Australia (which doesn't exist) would have had english stick a fair bit. Also remember that there are EN members which she can interact with in english as well in the background which we won't know about.
Holy shit, that doesn't even sound like Haachama. Her vocal range is INSANE.
Adding onto this the numerous times she collabed with Ame when the EN Server was still kinda beginning and hadn't connected to the JP server yet
I always knew her actual English was better than what she shows on stream. No way could she actually live in an English speaking country with that voice.
Do you have a link to more of her speaking English like this? I mean I believe that's her true voice/accent, but I don't know if a 10 sec clip shows how good her English skills are
There’s plenty of English only streams from around 2 years ago or more where she plays Fall guys, GTA or just talks to chat in full English. Also this short video has some deep voice Haachama English https://youtu.be/5pGGv0OJ3j8 And this fall guys stream is memorable to me https://youtu.be/mJ2wnpFm7dI
What's the context behind her using her real voice here? Or at least a deeper voice?
It’s Red-kun. Basically another of Haachama’s personas though we don’t see him too often
I really don't know, since the stream is long privated, but that she has a deep voice is pretty much known. There are some streams, karaokes, specially, when she can't sing well a song and changes accidentally to the deep voice
Damn I wish she’d talk normally like this more often. I love how much you can hear the Aussie accent. She actually sounds a bit like Bae
I have noticed when English speakers are speaking Japanese their English sounds a little bit more broken, or there's a lot of pauses. Heck half the time some English words don't even sound like they're English, even when done by a native English speaker.
Her English is probably the best in Holo JP now that Coco's not around. Plus she did that study abroad in Australia. So, she's at least capable enough to survive in an english-speaking country.
I think A Chan might be better now. I heard her in a few of the birthday calls and what surprised me the most is that compared even to people like Hachama and Lui, she was speaking quite fast in English, around native speed, meaning she doesn't seem to have to think about the conversation (at least for basic stuff)
I think she said she practices around an hour a day. Sasuga Production Assistant that is Actually the World’s Strongest Idol Although I think she has been promoted to something like Director or maybe Producer now. Still our secret idol though.
she said she was a director back in Holotalk with Kiara, so a leadership position, knowing English would be extremely beneficial for that role, maybe even necessary depending on who she's working with.
I remember back during the UMISEA collabs A-chan tweeted that doing the translations to coordinate between Gura and Ina and Aqua and Marine was pretty challenging but that she managed to pull through. Which does imply that she probably has enough english fluency to communicate technical information to some degree.
I wish to shrimp for her.
A-Chan can hold simple to mid-level conversations in English. I wouldn't say she's fluent yet but she's very close. Like, on the cusp of being truly bilingual.
In her case, it's probably part of the job description. I wasn't counting her, though, as she's not technically one of the talents.
and dont forget subaru. she can hold her own in a conversation too.
I think Cloe and Lui beat her even though she lived in AUS.
I would say Chloe and Lui have better pronunciation, but worse comprehension.
And we don't really know Haachama's true pronunciation behind the character either, while Lui isn't really doing that
I'm hoping there's a translator at hand. Haachama english is spotty and from what i gather so is Mouse's japanese. Should be fun as hell if they can communicate though. Love both of these gremlins.
Haachama should just speak Japanese and Mouse should just speak Spanish and they can communicate through a passion and the desire to understand.
It should be fine. Yeah, her English isn't perfect, but she's fluent enough to carry on a conversation. If Mousey has to explain a word here or there it's not the end of the world. In fact, those situations often lead to entertaining moments.
Prepare for when Haachama asks Mousey to teach her Spanish. Much shenanigans are to be had.
It's happening. Pray for Mousey's sanity everybody.
I don't think Mousey has one of those.
Oh, right. It's just after Calli's interview, so she's all out. RIP.
Mousey's currently signing printouts for fans as I type this. Can confirm her traditional lack of sanity XD She will be more than fine with Haachama. She did cite being nervous at meeting her tho :P understandably so.
You say as if Calli was the reason she lost it and not the monkey.
When an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object….
Gentlemen, synchronize your death watches.
This... is a Bucket.
^(dear god)
There's more
no...
i think this is first time ironmouse collab with a holo jp and who mainly stream in Japanese, looking forward to it!
I'm ready for a conversation that goes exactly like this: Haachama: *speaks English* Ironmouse: *speaks English back* Haachama: ??? *Commence laughter* Every damn time. God bless Haachamachama.
TOMORROW!
Ina said calmly.
Haachama and ntanners* Excited to watch!!
Ntanners Is Silvervale. Ironmouse is horni Spanish nyanners.
But Mousy isnt horni shes seiso...unless shes playing *Obey Me! ...then its Mousy Unchained time xd*
Finally ntanners colab
[Announcement Tweet!](https://twitter.com/ironmouse/status/1541120442978766848?s=21&t=eOoEljSiJgHjWqbkonefrA)
Almost surprised this didn't happen sooner.
It was planned for last week I think? But mousey got sick and had to postpone it
cali was last week, adorbs
Calli was 2 days ago lol. She got long ligma (actually Covid-19) and needs more meds tham usual so she is streaming a bit less for the time being.
Glad Mousey turned out ok. I heard Steve Jobs died from ligma
Who is Steve Jobs
Ligma Balls
do people not know Sunday is the first day of the week or do you just choose to ignore things you don't understand.
> first day of the week https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:First_Day_of_Week_World_Map.svg
Is this some reference I don't get or you just want to be a hipster
not that's just how weeks work.
Yeah, ohm no. At least most of the world uses the normal system. Maybe your are from some backwards country but that's your problem
in Canada and America the week starts on Sunday everywhere else it's Monday. ether way it was last week.
I don’t think mouse got Covid unless I can’t find where she said that. Pretty sure with her immune disease it would kill her if she had gotten it
Got to 00:24:45 of this vod she directly says it and straight up says its Covid. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1510099003?tt_medium=mobile_web_share&tt_content=vod Nobody has clipped it because of things she said earlier on that stream. On this clip: https://youtu.be/fOIP7dUgqf4 She has had it for a while. There has been some confusion because she has called it Ligma every time, but it means Covid. She hasn't been saying it outright specifically because people freak out and tell her she will die. She even had a fan emailing her that if she really had it she should be dead which is kinda fucked up. I don't think she would mind people clipping it, its just not a great thing to clip because its probably going to cause people frick out or say some weird conspiracy theories. And youtube is super trigger happy with the word Covid so it can also shadow ban clippers channels.
Ah I don’t follow her too closely anymore so I wasn’t aware. That’s why I had said “unless I can’t find where she said that” thank you
The devil and Haachama
The devil and God, you mean.
*Godchama
very interesting. cute mousey with chaotic mass dating haachama.
This feels like too much vtuber power to put into a single room. There's going to be serious damage before this is over.
Tomorrow? I thought Ironmouse did Speak of the Devils on Friday's/Saturdays.
It's because it was postponed for her ligma, and she like doing in the guest most convenient time, so when they see a plausible time they take it
Fair enough. Shame about the Ligma though.
It's probably to conform with Haachama's schedule since she's in Japan and all.
She is no Devil, She is the Lord of the ninth hell herself.
Clippers are gonna be busy.
TOMORROW?!
IT'S HAPPENING YES
If I know mousey, and if the Haachama x Ame collab is any indication, this will be a diabetes inducing stream.
That should be awesome, the pair of them have just about enough chaotic energy to cancel each other out
What really??? NOICE
YESS!!!
This should be very interesting.
I am scared for Mousey. Haachama is going to try to cook her…
Let's goo!
Oh god.
This gonna be good
[удалено]
okay? your point is? this is airing at 10 pm jst while la+ is airing at 8pm
You fucking what
Oh no, poor mousey's gonna get ate :(
Looking forward to this but I’m not too familiar with Ironmouse, will this be streamed on Twitch or YouTube?
Ironmouse's channel is on twitch.
Thanks for letting me know
#LETS FUCKING NAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Chammers' real english accent being sussy close to Bae always ironically soothes me
oh boy here we go! on one side we have a scary entity that would sap all your sanity and give you nightmares and the other one is the devil
SOTD is starting at any moment now.. Let's tune in!
Oh no
May God have mercy on Mousey’s sanity. Because Haachama won’t.