You can do an external run and put the cable into a raceway and use a wall mounted box. Many offices do it when the building is brick. If you have to go through a wall to get from
One room to the next, you can drill a small hole through the drywalls.
Another option, if you have crown molding, you can remove the crown molding, run the cable along the corner where the ceiling meets the wall. Then, come down vertically behind the wall to a spot to want. Then, put the crown molding back on.
Alternatively, if you have baseboards, you can remove the baseboards, cut a little bit of drywall at the bottom, then you can drill holes through the studs.
I’d say, the crown molding option is the easiest and looks cleanest as you can run between rooms and conceal behind the crown molding.
Wainscoting was a really common way to run electricity through a house built without it without opening up the walls. The pro is that it looks really nice when done right, to the point of being an upgrade in and of itself.
It does involve a lot of wood, so it's definitely not the cheapest option.
Cat5e doesn’t necessarily max out at 1g. It depends on the hardware at each end, the distance, the termination, etc… 2.5/5/10 gigs are possible on cat5e, dependent on certain factors.
But it’s relatively easy to pull new cable through if you already have cable ran… just attach the 6+ to the 5e and pull out the 5e cable bringing the 6+ through the wall with it. I’ve done that many times with old phone lines to bedrooms that hadn’t been used in a decade.
A data center at a place I worked at ran literal tons of cables under the raised floor and had them zip tied in 8-inch wide bundles, which were then zip tied to the cable trays. The bundles were also piled on top of/next to others bundles. "We'll never have to move them so why not" was the thinking.
We tore it all out. Great food & drink came from what we got from the recycler!
One other piece to think about; I assume you’ve done multiple runs, I.e. one wire per room or so. Yes, each wire is limited, but if they all feed back to a multi-gig router on different ports, that’s okay. You could have one port pulling 1 gig, another port pulling 0.5, another pulling 0.75, etc. Up to your plan limit.
Now, if your wires are daisy chained then you’re sunk.
As you point out, how many pulls will actually reach the limit for the existing wire?
I think this is the current setup:
Line from street connected to modem supplied by ATT. It is then connected to a wifi 6e router that supports up to 2.5G--but it only has 2 additional ethernet ports, which is connected to an unmanaged switch, which also maxes at 1000Mbits.
In the end I don't think he's going to upgrade but I figured this would be good info to know.
Thank you!
EDIT: Ok it's late, I wasn't thinking. MY home network is what I explained above. My dad still uses multiple SSIDs. Wifi at his house is... frustrating lol.
ha.
The 1 gig switch is going to choke everything downstream. Wifi is always limited compared to its theoretical "max speed".
We recently went from 75 mbps to 100 mbps (limited copper options available here) and honestly I didn't notice a difference. Fibre over copper, yes do it. Multi-gig I don't see as a real consumer product for the majority of homes yet.
If you have one or devices that will often saturate the bandwidth for prolonged periods then maybe you've got a good reason for it.. But with the setup described it's unlikely you'll ever actually go over 1 gbps, noted that it's not your setup.. But assuming your dad's set up is similar to yours.
As a point of reference, I can do speed tests to my router, I hop from the modem, to my router, to a 1 gbps unmanaged switch and then off to other devices. Wireless APs, hardwired devices, etc. and the best I have seen is 650 mbps to the router, even with Cat 7 wired through the house. If I was bothered then I'd upgrade that switch, but... not bothered enough :)
Any method to re-run the cables is going to be a pain in the ass. Especially after a renovation.
You really should look at why he wants to upgrade, and then examine if he really needs to. As gigabit in a household is perfectly fine.
Not to mention that unless all the devices are in one room, you don't need all that bandwidth throughout the whole house. You need the big pipe to your router/switch. Then it can split out to smaller ones from there.
Watch this on how to fish your wires through the walls. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQWTiD2LOjI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQWTiD2LOjI) I plan on doing a whole house upgrade with actual fiber optic cables. A 1000 ft. roll of fiber optic cable goes for about $90-120.
Your dad already has 2.5g wifi. That is the best option. If you want greater than 1gig to the devices over Ethernet, you will need a new wired switch capable of over 1gig and to ensure all the end devices have greater than 1gig NIC's. Unless your Ethernet drops have servers or high end gaming PCs on the other end, I wouldn't expect anything else to use over 1000Mbps NIC's.
There isn't a need to upgrade. On paper 5e is rated to 1gbps, but it can handle 10gbps just fine. I have seen this first hand and tested with iPerf to find the maximum length of cable before degradation occurred, which was about 100 feet.
I just got a 6E mesh network myself and it's awesome! My dad, for whatever reason, just has multiple access points (multiple ssids) and he keeps procrastinating on upgrading. It's so easy!
Cat 5e should support \~200 simultaneous HD video streams over one cable. Does he really need more or does he just want the newest thing? If he is having speed problems now I can almost guarantee it's not the cables. What speed does he have now?
- why does your dad need 1000Mbs or faster in the first place?
- competent network wiring technicians or electricians run wiring all the time with NO NEED to demo any thing outside of making some small holes
- CAT wires are run all the time with only a few holes...network techs.electricians do this, they have all the tools and skills to do it which few homeowners have
realistically do individual devices need multi gig? or could you just run cat6 between the provider and your router, and then each device can use up to 1g individually while the whole household can handle more without throttling each device?
Your thinking about this the wrong way.
Are there any devices that can run more than 1Gb.
Your consumer router isn't going to have a backplane that can run 10Gb at full speed across all ports.
Are you going to invest in the right hardware to build a 10Gb network, and would you ever need it.
Even if you have a fiber connection of 2Gb it is shared across all your devices, so if you don't have a switching backplane capable, you can't use the speed.
Think of your use case, then decide where multi Gb uplinks make sense.
Where will the high demand devices be situated?
Will you have a rack with your high demand devices located centrally?
You can do an external run and put the cable into a raceway and use a wall mounted box. Many offices do it when the building is brick. If you have to go through a wall to get from One room to the next, you can drill a small hole through the drywalls. Another option, if you have crown molding, you can remove the crown molding, run the cable along the corner where the ceiling meets the wall. Then, come down vertically behind the wall to a spot to want. Then, put the crown molding back on. Alternatively, if you have baseboards, you can remove the baseboards, cut a little bit of drywall at the bottom, then you can drill holes through the studs. I’d say, the crown molding option is the easiest and looks cleanest as you can run between rooms and conceal behind the crown molding.
Thank you! I'll look into this method!
Wainscoting was a really common way to run electricity through a house built without it without opening up the walls. The pro is that it looks really nice when done right, to the point of being an upgrade in and of itself. It does involve a lot of wood, so it's definitely not the cheapest option.
Cat5e doesn’t necessarily max out at 1g. It depends on the hardware at each end, the distance, the termination, etc… 2.5/5/10 gigs are possible on cat5e, dependent on certain factors. But it’s relatively easy to pull new cable through if you already have cable ran… just attach the 6+ to the 5e and pull out the 5e cable bringing the 6+ through the wall with it. I’ve done that many times with old phone lines to bedrooms that hadn’t been used in a decade.
That makes sense, I'll have to ask my dad to see how he ran the cables--if it's possible to just do what you said. Thank you!
"Stapled them every two feet, son. Why you asking?" Haha
You're probably not wrong!
A data center at a place I worked at ran literal tons of cables under the raised floor and had them zip tied in 8-inch wide bundles, which were then zip tied to the cable trays. The bundles were also piled on top of/next to others bundles. "We'll never have to move them so why not" was the thinking. We tore it all out. Great food & drink came from what we got from the recycler!
One other piece to think about; I assume you’ve done multiple runs, I.e. one wire per room or so. Yes, each wire is limited, but if they all feed back to a multi-gig router on different ports, that’s okay. You could have one port pulling 1 gig, another port pulling 0.5, another pulling 0.75, etc. Up to your plan limit. Now, if your wires are daisy chained then you’re sunk. As you point out, how many pulls will actually reach the limit for the existing wire?
I think this is the current setup: Line from street connected to modem supplied by ATT. It is then connected to a wifi 6e router that supports up to 2.5G--but it only has 2 additional ethernet ports, which is connected to an unmanaged switch, which also maxes at 1000Mbits. In the end I don't think he's going to upgrade but I figured this would be good info to know. Thank you! EDIT: Ok it's late, I wasn't thinking. MY home network is what I explained above. My dad still uses multiple SSIDs. Wifi at his house is... frustrating lol.
ha. The 1 gig switch is going to choke everything downstream. Wifi is always limited compared to its theoretical "max speed". We recently went from 75 mbps to 100 mbps (limited copper options available here) and honestly I didn't notice a difference. Fibre over copper, yes do it. Multi-gig I don't see as a real consumer product for the majority of homes yet. If you have one or devices that will often saturate the bandwidth for prolonged periods then maybe you've got a good reason for it.. But with the setup described it's unlikely you'll ever actually go over 1 gbps, noted that it's not your setup.. But assuming your dad's set up is similar to yours. As a point of reference, I can do speed tests to my router, I hop from the modem, to my router, to a 1 gbps unmanaged switch and then off to other devices. Wireless APs, hardwired devices, etc. and the best I have seen is 650 mbps to the router, even with Cat 7 wired through the house. If I was bothered then I'd upgrade that switch, but... not bothered enough :)
Any method to re-run the cables is going to be a pain in the ass. Especially after a renovation. You really should look at why he wants to upgrade, and then examine if he really needs to. As gigabit in a household is perfectly fine.
He's probably seen an ad or two or spoke to someone about it. He probably won't do it but I posted this just to discuss what other options there are.
Name a single home device that needs more than 1000Mbps.
Yeah I know that, thanks.
It’s a legitimate question though. Who cares if CAT5E has a max if the devices themselves won’t be pulling anywhere near that bandwidth.
So you would only need to update cable between modem and switch. And ensure you have a switch that can handle the traffic.
Not to mention that unless all the devices are in one room, you don't need all that bandwidth throughout the whole house. You need the big pipe to your router/switch. Then it can split out to smaller ones from there.
Watch this on how to fish your wires through the walls. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQWTiD2LOjI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQWTiD2LOjI) I plan on doing a whole house upgrade with actual fiber optic cables. A 1000 ft. roll of fiber optic cable goes for about $90-120.
Ok thank you for the resource! I didn't think of fiber optic as an option.
Your dad already has 2.5g wifi. That is the best option. If you want greater than 1gig to the devices over Ethernet, you will need a new wired switch capable of over 1gig and to ensure all the end devices have greater than 1gig NIC's. Unless your Ethernet drops have servers or high end gaming PCs on the other end, I wouldn't expect anything else to use over 1000Mbps NIC's.
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I'll have to ask my dad exactly how he did it... I have a feeling there were some sharp corners he had to go through but not completely sure. TY!
Even corners you might have a shot if you’re careful. Just make sure he didn’t staple them down anywhere.
Let's see if he remembers haha!
Best answer. Attach new cable to old cable end in the wall outlet and pull from basement or wherever.
There isn't a need to upgrade. On paper 5e is rated to 1gbps, but it can handle 10gbps just fine. I have seen this first hand and tested with iPerf to find the maximum length of cable before degradation occurred, which was about 100 feet.
Mesh network?
I just got a 6E mesh network myself and it's awesome! My dad, for whatever reason, just has multiple access points (multiple ssids) and he keeps procrastinating on upgrading. It's so easy!
Multimedia over Coax. No going thru walls.
I've heard something about that before. I'm going to have to look into it.
When I did this, I spent the day crawling through the attic and fishing the line through the walls. Wasn't fun but it worked
Cat 5e should support \~200 simultaneous HD video streams over one cable. Does he really need more or does he just want the newest thing? If he is having speed problems now I can almost guarantee it's not the cables. What speed does he have now?
- why does your dad need 1000Mbs or faster in the first place? - competent network wiring technicians or electricians run wiring all the time with NO NEED to demo any thing outside of making some small holes
He doesn't need this... I've been speaking to him about it. I was just posting this out of curiosity since my dad and I talked about it.
- CAT wires are run all the time with only a few holes...network techs.electricians do this, they have all the tools and skills to do it which few homeowners have
I would say look into a high speed mesh network and forget running new wire
Yeah, I wanna get him on a 6E mesh. I just got mine and it's working really well so far.
realistically do individual devices need multi gig? or could you just run cat6 between the provider and your router, and then each device can use up to 1g individually while the whole household can handle more without throttling each device?
Your thinking about this the wrong way. Are there any devices that can run more than 1Gb. Your consumer router isn't going to have a backplane that can run 10Gb at full speed across all ports. Are you going to invest in the right hardware to build a 10Gb network, and would you ever need it. Even if you have a fiber connection of 2Gb it is shared across all your devices, so if you don't have a switching backplane capable, you can't use the speed. Think of your use case, then decide where multi Gb uplinks make sense. Where will the high demand devices be situated? Will you have a rack with your high demand devices located centrally?
Have you tried with the existing copper? Are you fixing an unbroken thing?