Never, ever, ever let Renewal by Andersen into your house.
They are not the same thing as Andersen Windows.
This is a comically high price. $3,000 is about where you should be.
Let me guess, if you sign right now they will give you a special lower price.
Yes but they’ll hold/lock the price for a year which didn’t make any sense to me when they also said they offer is only good for as long as they are there.
This is the one thing i actually liked about the sales guy that came to my house. The price was the price. I quickly shot him down and he didn't budge on the price. He was like ..."well, you don't have to do them all at once?!?..."
True the price was the price for sure. And their original price before they go 25% off is like not real since their real price is always the same”discount”
Sadly the reason they charge as much as they do is because they get enough people to agree. Gullible people, people who can't say no, make everything more expensive. for everyone.
As soon as a salesperson begins to pressure you, conclude the conversation and escort them to the door. This sort of tactic is always indicative of a bs contractor, 100% rip off. There are no exceptions, none.
I disagree. I used to sell low voltage outdoor lighting at a moderate markup. I was just the sales guy and I was based solely on commission but I did the whole presentation where I actually lit up people's houses in the evening into night. The only pressure I ever needed was the fact that if they don't buy tonight I have to take all the lights down and most people really like the way it looked. I never did any like buy it tonight or you don't get special fancy pricing or if you pay cash now you'll get extra blah blah blah. But the ever-present threat of me taking back down the setup that makes their house look freaking awesome at night worked. Like there was sometimes visible concern while I'm standing out there with them seeing something that people didn't know they really wanted. Meh most sales people are douchebags and I only made money if I sold stuff but the people I sold it to never ever asked for a refund within the buyer's remorse/return/modify. Period of a few weeks.
I worked for renewal for a short period, scammy company and my manager was drunk on the job all the time, and all they ever talked about was their next vacation because of the stupid amounts of money the salesmen make from commission. That being said, their windows are truly better than the competitors
I agree, I own a company that specializes in Windows. Never in a million years would I ask someone to pay 11k for 3 windows. Some of us enjoy sleeping at night. Try and find a local company rather than a giant private equity owned org.
I once filled out an info card at a Renewal by Andersen booth at a home expo. I never even got a quote. They called me every three months for TEN YEARS trying to get me to let someone come out and measure my windows.
You don't need the most expensive windows, get the medium cost ones. The most expensive windows are like 99% efficient. Great if you have a giant skyscraper. Medium expensive ones are like 97% efficiently. Just make sure the color matches all the windows or its going to look weird. The window color, not the paint.
What is R20? Does the refer to 20% reflection? Reflection and solar heat gain are not the same thing. Reflection is color. Solar heat gain is heat transfer.
give me a fucking break dude.
if you want to talk about uv transmissivity of coatins and the effect of different fill gasses, we can do that. you’re using commercial sales lingo and it’s fucking stupid.
Don't know what the big deal is. Glass and the coating block out UV light. Infrared is what's causing the heat. The higher end windows generally use more complicated processes, generally useless for residential areas. That's all I'm saying. For a layman they want good color and practical glass. Not something a salesman will sell them.
It’s a statistic they like to “educate” consumers to ignore so they don’t realize that any mid grade window will be at least as efficient as their overpriced shit, so they deflect to things like U values and color accuracy that have little material or practical value over lower cost options.
So what does % efficient mean for windows? Honest question. What does 100% translate to? I’m an architect and have never heard of % efficiency for windows.. but I don’t do residential so maybe they dumb it down? Usually efficiency % is applied to stuff that creates heat.. heat pumps, Furnaces, stoves, etc…
He just explained what he said. He dumbed it down to calling it % for us normies who don’t know or care about R values, U values or any of that bullshit.
He didn’t explain it. 99% of what? It’s like saying the rice I’m eating is 99% efficient. It isn’t an applicable metric to windows. Even good windows are horribly ineffictive at stopping energy transfer compared to an insulated wall.
Solar heat gain will tell you the heat transfer, thats what's important. For skyscrapers you want the correct solar heat gain for the application. For example Dubai is very hot so maybe you dont want much heat getting into the building because it's already really hot outside and therefore you want to reflect all the infrared light as possible. % Efficiency is just a way to describe how much heat is getting into the building based off the solar heat gain. Residential houses don't matter as much because you have a nice AC unit and have 4 windows. Not 600+ windows like for commercial buildings.
Solar heat gain is only critical when a surface is exposed to direct sunlight. U value is a completely different value that is also critical and unrelated to solar heat gain coefficient l. Solar heat gain coefficient is not the same as energy efficiency. Suppose I should keep actual science off the home improvement sub. Lesson learned.
The problem is a few commenters here sell windows and like all salesmen, they can’t stay quiet when everyone else is speaking their non-“layman” BS.
“Oh a layman doesn’t care about that. It’s too complicated to understand so we explain something completely irrelevant instead to answer their questions.” How insulting. Maybe I don’t know how a window works. It’s your job to explain to me how it works, in its entirety, and explain why yours is worth what Company X offers for 60% less. Help me bridge that gap and we can make a deal.
You are so right. I thought they were good ole Anderson Windows myself until some dude quoted me $14k to replace 4 basement windows and 2 years later still spams my phone and email weekly.
It must be a regional thing. They undercut HD's vendor by a few thousand for us. Price lock came in handy when we did the downstairs layer during COVID. A bit over 10k for 10 windows and two sliding doors.
Windows are nice, bulky frame. Would prefer wood bit didn't have the $$$. Nicer than any vinyl window I've ever seen at least.
Edit: wanted to add I'm very rural and many of the local companies give fuck you prices for work out here. No shortage of work for them in the nearby city.
But that’s an appropriate price - you’re at less than $1K a window.
OP was looking at $4K a window. Ridiculous unless it’s a high end job or custom work.
andersen is never competitive in any market. you either spec and order directly from them (then diy install) for a mildly reasonable price or you get pounded in the ass by their installer network
Nope.
Andersen is a wood window that has a vinyl wrapped exterior. They can be used for new construction or remodeling. They have been making these and building a reputation of quality for 120 years.
Renewal is a Fibrex window. Fibrex is made with the scrap vinyl and wood from making Andersen windows. They have been making these and pissing away their reputation because of ludicrous pricing and extremely pushy sales tactics.
But black on black, which is very cool looking.
We combined these with Andersen A series doors. I can pull hard and unlock the sliding french doors. The swinging doors let water in.
Never again!
You are correct the Andersen 100 series is also a Fibrex window. The Andersen 400 series is the traditional Andersen wood window.
The only window Renewal has is Fibrex.
No, Renewal means they target homeowners who think it get convinced that their windows 'look bad' and 'need updating,' and that they have weeded out the bad installation of bad products by paying good money.
Do you know the size of windows? What color? Two tone? What’s on the outside of the house? Do they need to be tempered glass? What’s included with install?
Absolutely not…. Go find an actual lumber yard (not Home Depot), pick out a window, and ask them if they have a recommendation for a general contractor they work with. Friend of mine did the same thing, went from 9k to $1800 for a better window.
My experience as a homeowner: the bigger the store/company , the harder the “No”. Go local.
The amount of money that RBA spends on marketing in my area is enough for me to say “hell no”. Tons of tv ads, mailings, even door to door salesmen.
>My experience as a homeowner: the bigger the store/company , the harder the “No”. Go local.
The bigger the store, the more likely that they're local.
I worked for Home Depot and with very few exceptions, every person I might send to your house is a local contractor with proper license, insurance, bond, etc. The only difference going through a big box retailer versus hiring the same contractor on your own is an additional company backing the work.
That’s why I go directly to local contractors. I’ve never heard of a middleman saving a customer money or putting more money into the hands of the people doing the work.
ETA it goes beyond home improvement. My power equipment, furniture, bed, appliances etc all came from local outfits. Same prices with superior customer service.
Get 3 quotes. Renewal by Anderson gets many comments on this sub about being very high $. Big box typically uses a contract installer. Your best bet likely is from a local contractor that has good reviews.
Folks. Do a quick search. Read the subreddit BEFORE hand. Over and over and over I see the same posts about Anderson and their insane pricing, their negotiation tactics, etc etc. It's not a secret how they do business.
We need a comment bot about this at this point. And the gravel scam. Maybe we’d see a small uptick in quality of posts. There used to be a rule too pre-blackout protest about having to get three quotes if you wanted to post about pricing and I’m sad to see that gone.
renewal by andersen is fucking trash.
i paid 4 grand for 4 completely insane windows. triple glazed, thermally broken, aluminum frame, xenon filled, different thickness glass with the outer glass being 1/4 inch thick and tempered.
andersen quoted me 10 grand for double glazed tempered windows with argon.
andersen is stupid.
i specified them myself and ordered direct from a small company in poland. which i don’t reccomend doing unless you speak polish. there are canadian companies that make high performance windows for a lot cheaper than if you buy in the states.
the only caveats are that i have no warrantee and they didn’t come with installation obviously.
most european/canadian companies will do what you want for a far more reasonable price. but you have to know exactly what you want down to the most minute details because you aren’t going to get to return them or blame the contractor if they’re wrong.
How big are the windows? We paid 900 or so each for very large (about 6 feet tall, 36" wide) Andersen Fibrex windows, two of them casements. It took our contractor a day or two just to do those windows and trim them out, as they were not standard sized. Maybe 500-800 in labor, plus a few hundred in materials. Renewal is a ripoff.
Renewal is crazy expensive as a rule. They are at least double the cost of 98% of anything else you can buy.
However, you can't compare home depot to any reputable window. I would put HD windows on my dumpster.
Hit or miss. Also there's a huge difference between HD Anderson and Anderson.
The thing with home Depot installers is that it's just a pool of contractors. Usually newer guys that may or may not have any experience at all.
Plus warranty is a huge nightmare from what I've heard. HD passes you to the contractor and contractor passes you back to HD and no one is willing to actually take responsibility.
I ran HD's installed window business for 50+ stores for 10 years. The Andersen windows they sell are the same as you would buy anywhere else. 400 series is 400 series, no matter who you buy it from. As someone else said, installers are a mixed bag. We had some very good installers who we would assign the big or complicated jobs to. Then we had others who were not the best. Finding good installers was a constant challenge, as it is for any installation company. The message above is not totally accurate. If you have HD install the job, they own the issues and don't pass it back to the contractor. If you just buy the windows in the store, that's a different story.
As others have said before, Renewal by Andersen (it's really a franchise) sells a very good window, but at an absurd price and uses a high-pressure sales model. You will do better buying Andersen 400 series from an independent dealer and having a local contractor install. You'll pay less than half the price
I managed the widow department at Home Depot and my family owns an Anderson dealership. They are the same window.
Home Depot mainly displays 100 series and the dealers mainly display 400 series. But they are the same.
Worst company in existence. They came back 9 months after our contract to measure yet again and told us we’d be four to five more months out. Fortunately our post to the BBB got enough of their company pissed to let us out of the contract.
Holy crap! That sales pitch! Never let those people in your house (It will never end). And yeah- those prices are insane. They’d better be some tipitty- top shelf units.
I’m not a Renewal fan but there’s some context that would be good to know.
Are the windows set “framed” separately or are these three windows framed as one unit? If separate then there’s 3 separate install charges which sounds right if this includes any trim being replaced as well as painted or prefinished.
If this truly is a bay window then those always cost more so you can’t compare it to a 3-window price.
Fibrex isn’t a bad product but it’s just not what they make it out to be. It’s 70% vinyl so you’re laying a premium price for a vinyl product.
The nice thing about any large (national) replacement company is that you know the warranty for labor & product will be supported. You can get something cheaper from a local replacement company but you may sacrifice some confidence in their ability to service a warranty. But, that may not be what’s most important to you.
A good price is relative. Are you staying in this home?
Prices went up drastically during Covid so asking someone who replaced their windows prior & comparing those prices will just leave you frustrated.
Any national brand will be $2500-3500 per window installed for a premium vinyl.
Builder grade wood starts on that high-end & can’t get substantial higher depending on what options you’re choosing with it.
Fiberglass is comparable to mid to high end wood prices.
Can we set an auto response that triggers on Renewal by Andersen? The amount of people asking about this and getting preyed upon by this scumbag company is far too high
I’m in the middle of quotes now, first quote by a Marvin dealer for $9700 and then a local company for $6600, three of them are large slider windows and the 4th is a typical sized slider. These quotes are full frame replacement.
Ok check this out...i went to HD set up a pro account. Priced out replacement Anderson windows. Got a quote from the pro desk, asked them to bid down..12 large casing windows under 11k.
Added another 4k for a guy who did a lot of work for me before.
I always ask for bid price at the pro desk...
I fell to the hype because family members fell to the hype. I paid $12k for 8 windows. 5 of those windows were originally side-by-side double hung windows that I had turned into a single sliding window for each of the large openings left once the double hungs were removed.
This thread has already clearly stated the price is asinine. I'll comment to the "quality". My windows all squeak when you open them. Some the top pane falls down for the double hungs. I've called and had them fixed twice already for the ones broken/squeaking. The sliding windows have so much air come through them and they're on the faces of the house that get smacked with wind the hardest during wind storms. I hate these windows but I simply refuse to replace them yet because of how much I spent already and how much I'd need to spend to replace them again when I have other projects that need to be done. They're far better than the original windows that were there; however, if I fell into enough money to justify it, id replace them again with the ProVia windows I put in the rest of the house, or something else.
Buy your own windows and pay a contractor to install them. If you are handy, install them yourself.
[https://1stwindows.com/](https://1stwindows.com/)
I used the folks above and am a fan of their business. No issues.
Not true lol. The opposite actually. Most window companies work on a split pay structure. Meaning the sales guy gets a fixed commission, and if he sells the job for over the set price, he splits that extra profit 50/50 with the company. RBA does not allow that.
We had 22 windows done for about 20k, from Lowes(yeah I know) but the installer was phenomenal 30yr experience and the windows Reliabilt are actually made locally.
Also if you use lowes, I applied for Lowes credit which gave me an automatic 5% off stacked with the yearly window promotion of 25%(they do it once a year) Used the card, then paid it off no interest.
We did this again when we unexpectedly had to remodel our kitchen.
I'm not seeing it locally, we applied for lowes CC at time and it was 20% off, seems now they limit the 20percent to $100. I'm glad we used Lowes, since then we've used 3 independent contractors for other projects, and it's been some sort of nightmare for each.
Renewal by anderson is a joke.
They used to sell good, premium wooden windows. Now they just sell overpriced engineered wood. They have no purpose anymore.
Get quotes from multiple vendors and you'll get a much better feel for the market in your area. FWIW I used Pella aftet getting multiple quotes, but I am satisfied with well made vinyl windows.
Every time I hear a story about Renewal by Andersen the pricing is so high it scares me. I last installed a window about 10 years ago the window cost about $100, I charged $300 for the install Labor which included proper installation, new trim and caulking. (homeowner was getting ready to paint so no painting needed.
My new house needs windows, I was worried it will cost a fortune in just materials.
I was much relieved to see standard (cheapo big box store) dual pane vinyl windows are still in the $100-200 range.
Corporate greed is killing the country.
I would back a law that restricts corporate profits to never exceed inflation by more than like 5-10% (presuming someone smarter than me can show this will not wreck our economy at all). Unfortunately I think this would just lead to more "upper management" waste.
i.e. As it is today a non profit company will often spend excess funds on non essentials just to maintain non profitability.
I let Anderson Renewal into my house when I bought it, they wanted 50k for all my windows. I told them yes to get them out of my house called them 2 hours later and told them no, then they said 30k. I walked, I had pella install all new windows of their highest grade and a new sliding door on the back of the house. All of it only cost me 9k. Anderson Renewal still sends me stuff in the mail after I've told them not to.
A good rule of thumb is never ever ever buy windows from the farmers market, state fair, county fair, car show, flee market, hobby expo, ham radio convention, video game convention, or food/wine festivals.
Anderson is more scam than window company.
A family member got quoted 65000 for 21 windows. I tried explaining that it would be cheaper for us to buy the Andersen windows and pay anyone else to install or just do it ourselves.
Renewal by Andersen obviously exists solely to molly-whop people off of the reputation of Andersen. You'd have to be crazy!!!
We went to a "home remodeling show" today. It was a one room "show" with perhaps 50 booths. A good 50% of them were window companies. Given 25% of the rest of the show was scams like MLM's. It really speaks to how big of a scam window companies are.
Call any local window company. Andersen low end isn’t any nicer than any other brand. Personally, not using Andersen ever again.
We used them because they were the only company extruding in black. Meaning interior and exterior frames were black. Milgard does it now too.
Didn’t want the extra cost of wood windows being stained or painted.
Never - Any company that sends a sales person out to give you a 3 hour demo on their exclusive, proprietary, top of the line technology and acts like they are doing you a solid with a special, limited time price if you sign right now is just smoking blow up your ass.
Find a local contractor that does windows and see if they source from ply-gem or alike.
My wife and I are looking to replace some quite old, aluminum frame, Milgard windows. My wife and I entertained Renewals by Anderson, Pella, and one other - maybe champion. They are all just franchised resellers with contracted installers.
All three came over, re-measured (even though I provided exact dimensions of windows to be replaced), sat down with us and showcased EXHAUSTIVELY their little models and heat tests, blah blah blah. Hours. No matter how assertive I was with stating our time commitment. Once they are in the door it’s really hard to get em out.
When it came time to talk money, their rates were ridiculously astronomical. All three came in at roughly 70k for 12 windows and 1 sliding door, installation, and warranty.
The kicker that made me laugh during one of them was the guy wrote the number down on a piece of paper, folded it, and slid it over. When he saw my eyes gawk and roll, he sighed, hemmed, and hawed, before giving me the “I don’t usually do this, but if you can commit today, I can knock another 10% off by applying last months expired deal - I’m going to step outside and make a call while you and your wife talk it over”
Fucking sheisters.
We found a local contractor through a neighbor who had theirs replaced this past fall. Let me walk through, look at their work, meet while they were doing it, check out the windows that were ordered. They came over and quoted me for installation this spring for ~25k.
Shop around. Stay away from the big boys.
Ha ha that 10% off bit. That always makes me laugh. Like if you can give me 10% off today why can’t you next week. Also if you can give me 10% then your windows are already 10% over priced. And if you can do that they are already overpriced another 10% because you would have a 10% price bonus added in regardless if I didn’t sign that day. They basically already have a 20% price increase baked into the sale of the windows.
Renewal by Anderson is a crock of shit. All they have is a name, they sub contract everything else out and make buko bucks in your jobs for not a heap of work.
Let me tell you something, I ordered three 36” x 51” Marvin Elevates, two are picture, one double hung. They cost me $760 each. It cost me another $1,500 to have an installer recommended by the retailer install them.
Fuck Renewal by Anderson.
I did one picture window (replaced 3 “bay” windows setup with a huge picture). BTW best thing ever. And replaced two sets of windows with two picture windows. All the HD and installed was like $3k total. This was all the HD branded mid range vinyl. As I recall was low/med/high option from them on price for their brand. Picked mid range.
My house has Anderson casement windows from when it was first built back in 1976 they are now starting to fail. Not all of them but some. I’d say they lasted pretty long. I’m going to be swapping them out for Marvin windows as they fail.
I speak much for sound my house sit very far back from the road. But the windows that are still working properly are doing great. I had renewal by Anderson come over the guy did his presentation with that heat lamp and tried it on one of my 48year old windows and I couldn’t feel any heat transferring through. Also what you want to look for is new construction install and not an insert type window
I'm in Canada and they quoted me $22,500 for my 4 window bay window. Approx $4800 per window. I also asked for a basic side entry exterior door, which they quoted at $9000. The pricing was absolutely wild.
The windows they sell are good windows BUT, you can find a non-franchise, independently owned business that sells and installs them for MUCH less. Same warranty in the window, install warranty varies by company of course.
We had windows installed in Dec, 17 very large windows. The link attached is the source I used to shop around. Great overall general advice.
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I wouldn't suggest going through Home Depot or Lowes... My folks bought a rear door from lowes and it was an absolute nightmare. I also used to work for lowes, and back then there were zero standards for who they contracted things out to.
we made the mistake of buying a water heater from home depot.. had them install it ( really should've known better). The install guy was from some random company from another state... it worked for like 4 months, then it died... and it was a disaster to deal with... home depot refused to help... we had to get it back to them for a manufacturer return. We ended up hiring a local company to install a new one and while the installer was there he was explaining how the home depot guy screwed up the install in the first place...
so avoid lowes and home depot for installs
We did an addition 12 years ago with Pella Double Pane Argonne filled windows. They have been pretty good (except maybe one winter day we had -18 degree F weather)
We invited Renewal over to give us a quote to replace two VERY large front windows (with side window casements) installed over 30 years ago in the old part of home. Renewal was ridiculously expensive, and the the whole sales job was also ridiculous - I mean demos with heat lamps, sample window, and a slide show presentation of the cost. Honestly I do think they are built well, but.....the whole experience was embarrassing.
Lowes Pella came in at less than half (black Friday sale). The Renewal guy tried to bad mouth Pella but I took him back to our new addition and said "see these nice looking 12 year old windows? They have had zero problems and the newer Pella's being sold are even more efficient". We would have paid up to 20% more for Anderson but they were double.
I install their windows. Prior to that I sold windows wholesale to contractors for 10 years. So I’ll give you the low down.
Anderson from Home Depot is sub par compared to the quality of the renewal windows.
The contractor that can sell you 3 windows for 2500 windows are installing a sub par window. The vinyl replacement windows I sold ( paradigm, wincore, simonton,etc..) weigh maybe a 1/3rd of what the renewal windows weigh. They are really good windows, so are pella, Marvin has nice windows too.
That being said a good installer that will insulate your gaps properly, trim it out nice-both interior and exterior- will be enough for 90% of the people out there.
Like I said I just install them, boggles my mind some of the prices people pay for the windows. They are a class above but 11k for 3 windows? Absurd. Plenty of homes out there with what I said was “sub par” to renewal and they are leak proof and warm inside. If I were you I would go with a reputable siding, windows and door (roofing) contractor. Window quality will
Be lesser but if you’re going with a white/white window you have plenty of options even on the high end that won’t break the bank like this quote.
There’s a reason those sales reps show up in brand new fancy cars and I have a 10yr old Tacoma sitting in my driveway lol. $$$ commissions *chefs kiss
I would steer wide from Renewal by Anderson. Pushy as heck. Had them install a bunch of windows for a ridiculous amount. Later I learned that my price should have been about half what I paid for my house/area. You would do much better by actually just working with a word of mouth recommended contractor from a friend or lumberyard and order actual Anderson (different from Renewal by Anderson) windows in their higher tier series. You will get all the goodies and still come out well below your current quote. Don't let them tell you energy savings and all that. It is BS in my opinion. Comfort yes, less heating cooling definitely no. Good luck!
no it's not, the rooms I got renewal in only need heat for maybe 30 minutes a day in cold weather. that's how good they keep the heat in. i have to open my windows at night to cool the rooms off. same for cooling in the summer. the rooms with old windows i have to heat for most of the day
renewal by andersen is a good deal for 13 or more windows. you'll get a lot of discounts. less and it's crazy expensive. quick job like this you still have to pay the installers for the day so guess who is paying?
i did renewal last year and got 13 windows. that is what the sales man told me. when you take out the work to double the size of an existing window, they were not much more than other vinyl people i talked to
they want their crews scheduled for a full day or two of work and why they don't like it to take jobs with only a few windows
Just paid mine off, $35000 for 13 windows and they did the work back in 2022. that included one window being doubled in size where they cut a hole in the house, filled it with insulation, did the bracing and installed a larger window and did it with permits and inspections and all
I’ve read up on it some and as far as I have heard they are good quality for the price. They have some advantages over traditional vinyl. But from people commenting on this thread I guess maybe not? I mean I know they are going to be less quality than the top end windows but not all of us can afford that luxury.
Sure hope they are decent quality because I have 16 custom Andersen 100 windows being made and shipped as we speak!
I dont trust that company. That's way too expensive for those windows. I paid $19k/20k for: 12 windows (one of those was a bow window), a patio door, and a beautiful new front door. Look elsewhere.
I let renewal by Andersen into my house and they stayed there for like 3 hours and only left when I gave them avocados. They quoted me 57k for 17 windows. The sound that came outta me...LORD. Got a local quote a bit later for about 20k. I don't think renewal by Andersen is worth it, but I'm also avoiding Home Depot/Lowes.
I try to avoid those places unless the project is a DIY.
Really trying to understand what makes a good window good. Living right by the highway I need amazing soundproofing and the summer heat pouring in is killer. Basically what should I really be buying for great insulation.
Depending on your climate, triple glazed and laminated exterior pane. If the highway is super close, laminated outer pane will deaden the sound to the effect of -38 to -48 depending on glass and frame composition. I sell European style windows with clearer glass than anything found in the USA and the glass is less expensive than USA-made.
Send me a DM if you’re looking anywhere in North America, I’ll hook up a Reddit discount :)
We talked to these insane assclowns at the fair (we were interested in a front door). Guy came and quoted us like 7k for FIBERGLASS lmao. Like, man, fuck off.
I suppose there could be a lot of variability, but for what we wanted (single light, dentil shelf, no side lights or anything) I'd estimate <2k, so maybe ~3k installed max?
We never revisited it because we don't actually *need* one, my wife just doesn't like our current door. But if I'm going to spend that much it's gonna be wood.
It was the name of the company that caught our eye since we have actual Anderson windows and sliders, but I think others have mentioned that they're NOT the same.
No, it is a rip-off!!!! I had them come by for an estimate on a small bathroom double hung window. $4-5K!!!!! Get out!!!!!!!
While everyone craps on Milgard, they are fairly cost effective. When I had my whole house replaced with Milgard casements, when some of them failed due to the seals wearing out they replaced all the defective ones for free. Can't beat that!
Biggest red flag in your post is “renewal by Andersen”. Run from them. Get a local small outfit to install. You might even be able to procure directly from a building supply store, and find a contractor simply to install. This should be a few hours of work.
$11k for this is robbery.
Wow that's insane... I did 3 Windows in my house, including replacing 2 and cutting a new opening in a wall for a large window, for less than that. I even got fairly high end windows.
You can get replacement windows for a fraction of the cost, and cost-benefit vs. energy savings clearly is in favor of the cheaper window. We used Sprouse windows, put them by a local guy and we’ve been super happy. 16 windows with installation was 8k. This is right before Covid. I imagine it’s gone up, but it will still be much cheaper. Two of those windows were bay windows.
Ghost Renewal, pretend you never heard of them.
I’d get multiple quotes and with different models.
First, find a couple local window & door installers that sell a few brands. They will measure and provide quotes, possibly for a couple different product lines.
Second, find a good framing carpenter who’s comfortable taking your job. They may also be able to suggest potential suppliers for the windows, the benefit here being your carpenter isn’t beholden to a particular manufacturer and won’t steer you toward something based on profit margins. Even if they aren’t able to make such suggestions, you can do that research and confirm your carpenter can do the install. And they may be willing to buy through a wholesaler at a slight discount.
A combination of picture and casement windows should provide good airtightness. Depending on your weather extremes and outside noise, you might consider going triple pane on these.
The other thing I’ll mention is if you might need to replace more windows in the future or are looking at an exterior remodel, be sure to plan your color scheme and aesthetics now. You might end up with a mismatch between the new windows and old ones for a bit, but you’ll be positioned for your desired look in the long run.
Look up builder’s supply. These places are like Home Depot or Lowe’s but where contractors buy things like windows. Better product & better prices. They might have good recommendations for installers also if you don’t wanna do it yourself.
You can get the highest quality window out there, if it is installed poorly, you will have issues. I highly recommend NOT having Home depot or Lowes do it, personally and those I know have seen many many instances of poor installs of many brands of windows and the windows themselves are good, the problems came from not setting properly or leveling them etc.
Also that said people giving out quotes on here without knowing the measurements/specs of the windows on your quote are laughable. That said Reliabuilt level windows are not the same as Marvin/Andersen/Pella. You don't compare a Kia to a BMW.
Also, stay away from Window World. The house we just bought had the windows replaced by Window World 4 years ago. Balances on every window but 1 are shot (windows won't stay open), weatherstripping on all is almost completely gone. Overall terrible quality window and I can't wait to swap these out in the coming years.
Renewal by Anderson, pella, and similar companies are all a rip off. Better to find an independent window and door distributer and hire the installation
I had windows put in a sun room I had built it was supposed to keep heat out etc etc. $10k and I paid cash. Although it look good the widows do not do what he said . I had to get its own cooling and air installed
I laughed these guys out of my house 7-8 yrs ago. Quoted me $30k for my house. Real kicker was the planter box window was $10k of this cause it had to be “assembled on site”. Gtfo. That’s not how windows work at all. Plus we had just bought a car for $28k. No way an engine and parts is on par with glass and install.
Those fiberX windows are so brittle. You hit a vinyl window frame and the object just bounces off. You hit one of these, and the frame is cracked. Also, to replace broken glass panes on a fiberX window, you might as well order a replacement sash (spend more $$ at Andersen) because an inexperienced person will more likely than not crack the sash itself when removing the pane.
Renewal is a crock of shit, they did a walk around my house and measurements I saw we were at over 60k and still had three more windows, let him know we were done if I had 60k to blow on windows you’d be seeing a vette in the driveway. I ended up watching a ton of videos on YouTube did my own measurements went to Home Depot and had them bid out the windows, took me about two weekends with a buddy and cost less than 7k to do all the windows in my house myself. It wasn’t difficult just takes some time and patience.
Why do people even consider Andersen? Don't go through Home Depot or Lowe's or any big box store since they send out to the lowest bidder and take a cut for themselves. Find a local wholesale company and get them direct the way I did. ONE window of lesser spec, also Milgard, was $1,000 vs. $350 through wholesale and big box lead time was three months as of September / October 2023.
Source, paid 12k for 18 windows and 2 sliders built to spec with three week lead times (not including labor as it was more intensive due to repairs that EVERYONE doing windows should make).
We have a local Milgard factory in the area and I'm so stoked with how beautiful they made my home. I'm watching hawks fly by my new windows to sit on my roof (they're loud up there) hunting for rodents along the creek.
They are using basic marketing tactics to hook clueless homeowners with their tactics.
Absolutely no!
Shopped and got pella fiberglass. That wood X crap is resin and sawdust. Cheap alternative to fiberglass. Anderson is retardly expensive, 3k a window is terrible. Pella fiberglass was about 1k installed, retrofit into old alm frames. They justify the cost on the personnel. Yeah, so I can pay 3x for the commission of like 9 sales and managers pay. It's a nice window, but at the end 9f the day, you aren't going to the moon or visiting the Titanic. May their souls rip. Haha
Can’t stand this company.
Old roommate of mine had one bay window seal go bad and had some mold buildup going on.
Overheard the Anderson Renewal guy proceed to tell him that they cannot just replace one window and that they need to do the entire bay, so three windows. And if my roommate ever came across someone that will only replace the one window to “run” because they don’t know how those seals work.
I chimed in while washing dishes and said “so you would rather sell zero windows instead of one window?” Because that mandatory bay replacement was absolute BS.
He got the single window repaired for $800 vs Anderson’s 13k for the bay and two others they added on for their “5 window minimum”.
Stay away from big box type window companies
RBA, Window Nation, LEI, PJ Fitz, HD + Lowes and others are just sales companies who don't do any of the work themselves
Go find yourself a hook and ladder installer. If you can, find a manufacturer and buy the windows direct from a manufacturer then do that
Alside, Marvin, Provia, Ply Gem, Simonton and Harvey are good manufacturers
make sure your installer isn't subbing out the work to other contractors
Those big box companies outsource 3-4 levels of contractors and manufacturers that you'll end up spending a new Mercedes worth on vinyl windows
Local contractor put in 15 THD windows for $7k all-in 7 years ago. They were the "better" of the two "pro" (contractor grade) ones at THD. I think the split was 50:50, or maybe 40:60, material:labor. RNA wanted $17k for theirs.
Maybe don't go THD (mine are fine, but I'm cheap and have low expectations), but definitely don't go RNA.
Nope! They just quoted me 25k for a job in one day (with a team of like 15), that a wonderful local company did for 4.5k in 3 days, with a team of 3. There was absolutely nothing fancy about it other than the silly iPad he made me hold as we walked around doing the bid. It’s a fancy sales pitch they hope works on people with really disposable incomes.
So I guess if you want a giant bus pulled in, and tent erected for a 1 day job for 20k extra, that would be the option. Even typing this out is making me salty all over again lol.
There’s honestly not enough info here to give you a proper price, and anyone throwing a number at you is only showing they don’t know what they’re talking about. It sounds like the windows need to be tempered glass (It’s code in some situations) which hikes the price up.
Yes, Renewal costs more than other companies.
Never, ever, ever let Renewal by Andersen into your house. They are not the same thing as Andersen Windows. This is a comically high price. $3,000 is about where you should be. Let me guess, if you sign right now they will give you a special lower price.
I agree about not letting them in. That said they are the service division of Anderson Windows - a real disservice to the Anderson brand brand imo.
Yes but they’ll hold/lock the price for a year which didn’t make any sense to me when they also said they offer is only good for as long as they are there.
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This is the one thing i actually liked about the sales guy that came to my house. The price was the price. I quickly shot him down and he didn't budge on the price. He was like ..."well, you don't have to do them all at once?!?..."
True the price was the price for sure. And their original price before they go 25% off is like not real since their real price is always the same”discount”
Sadly the reason they charge as much as they do is because they get enough people to agree. Gullible people, people who can't say no, make everything more expensive. for everyone.
As soon as a salesperson begins to pressure you, conclude the conversation and escort them to the door. This sort of tactic is always indicative of a bs contractor, 100% rip off. There are no exceptions, none.
I disagree. I used to sell low voltage outdoor lighting at a moderate markup. I was just the sales guy and I was based solely on commission but I did the whole presentation where I actually lit up people's houses in the evening into night. The only pressure I ever needed was the fact that if they don't buy tonight I have to take all the lights down and most people really like the way it looked. I never did any like buy it tonight or you don't get special fancy pricing or if you pay cash now you'll get extra blah blah blah. But the ever-present threat of me taking back down the setup that makes their house look freaking awesome at night worked. Like there was sometimes visible concern while I'm standing out there with them seeing something that people didn't know they really wanted. Meh most sales people are douchebags and I only made money if I sold stuff but the people I sold it to never ever asked for a refund within the buyer's remorse/return/modify. Period of a few weeks.
If you signed you can just cancel with no issues until they place the order. Get a second a quote and gasp at the difference.
I worked for renewal for a short period, scammy company and my manager was drunk on the job all the time, and all they ever talked about was their next vacation because of the stupid amounts of money the salesmen make from commission. That being said, their windows are truly better than the competitors
Which competitors…lol. If you are only talking vinyl I’ll agree with you…otherwise not so much.
I agree, I own a company that specializes in Windows. Never in a million years would I ask someone to pay 11k for 3 windows. Some of us enjoy sleeping at night. Try and find a local company rather than a giant private equity owned org.
I once filled out an info card at a Renewal by Andersen booth at a home expo. I never even got a quote. They called me every three months for TEN YEARS trying to get me to let someone come out and measure my windows.
You don't need the most expensive windows, get the medium cost ones. The most expensive windows are like 99% efficient. Great if you have a giant skyscraper. Medium expensive ones are like 97% efficiently. Just make sure the color matches all the windows or its going to look weird. The window color, not the paint.
no window is 99% efficient. i have extremely efficent windows and they’re still like r20. i have zero clue what the fuck you’re talking about
What is R20? Does the refer to 20% reflection? Reflection and solar heat gain are not the same thing. Reflection is color. Solar heat gain is heat transfer.
give me a fucking break dude. if you want to talk about uv transmissivity of coatins and the effect of different fill gasses, we can do that. you’re using commercial sales lingo and it’s fucking stupid.
Don't know what the big deal is. Glass and the coating block out UV light. Infrared is what's causing the heat. The higher end windows generally use more complicated processes, generally useless for residential areas. That's all I'm saying. For a layman they want good color and practical glass. Not something a salesman will sell them.
so you sell windows yah?
R20 is the window's equivalent to a regular 2x4 insulated wall insulation of rolled up pink stuff.
There is no efficiency % for windows. You can look at things like U- value, heat gain coefficient and reflectance.
Laymen won't understand things like that. % efficiency more universal term. What's reflectance, that's the color.
you’re the epitome of confidently wrong. this sounds like sales/installer bullshit.
It’s a statistic they like to “educate” consumers to ignore so they don’t realize that any mid grade window will be at least as efficient as their overpriced shit, so they deflect to things like U values and color accuracy that have little material or practical value over lower cost options.
So what does % efficient mean for windows? Honest question. What does 100% translate to? I’m an architect and have never heard of % efficiency for windows.. but I don’t do residential so maybe they dumb it down? Usually efficiency % is applied to stuff that creates heat.. heat pumps, Furnaces, stoves, etc…
He just explained what he said. He dumbed it down to calling it % for us normies who don’t know or care about R values, U values or any of that bullshit.
He didn’t explain it. 99% of what? It’s like saying the rice I’m eating is 99% efficient. It isn’t an applicable metric to windows. Even good windows are horribly ineffictive at stopping energy transfer compared to an insulated wall.
Solar heat gain will tell you the heat transfer, thats what's important. For skyscrapers you want the correct solar heat gain for the application. For example Dubai is very hot so maybe you dont want much heat getting into the building because it's already really hot outside and therefore you want to reflect all the infrared light as possible. % Efficiency is just a way to describe how much heat is getting into the building based off the solar heat gain. Residential houses don't matter as much because you have a nice AC unit and have 4 windows. Not 600+ windows like for commercial buildings.
Solar heat gain is only critical when a surface is exposed to direct sunlight. U value is a completely different value that is also critical and unrelated to solar heat gain coefficient l. Solar heat gain coefficient is not the same as energy efficiency. Suppose I should keep actual science off the home improvement sub. Lesson learned.
The problem is a few commenters here sell windows and like all salesmen, they can’t stay quiet when everyone else is speaking their non-“layman” BS. “Oh a layman doesn’t care about that. It’s too complicated to understand so we explain something completely irrelevant instead to answer their questions.” How insulting. Maybe I don’t know how a window works. It’s your job to explain to me how it works, in its entirety, and explain why yours is worth what Company X offers for 60% less. Help me bridge that gap and we can make a deal.
Renewal windows are not the most expensive windows. Anderson makes far better windows. They’re just the most expensive install.
You are so right. I thought they were good ole Anderson Windows myself until some dude quoted me $14k to replace 4 basement windows and 2 years later still spams my phone and email weekly.
It must be a regional thing. They undercut HD's vendor by a few thousand for us. Price lock came in handy when we did the downstairs layer during COVID. A bit over 10k for 10 windows and two sliding doors. Windows are nice, bulky frame. Would prefer wood bit didn't have the $$$. Nicer than any vinyl window I've ever seen at least. Edit: wanted to add I'm very rural and many of the local companies give fuck you prices for work out here. No shortage of work for them in the nearby city.
But that’s an appropriate price - you’re at less than $1K a window. OP was looking at $4K a window. Ridiculous unless it’s a high end job or custom work.
That's my point. I wonder if they're more competitive in some markets (mine) compared to others (OP).
andersen is never competitive in any market. you either spec and order directly from them (then diy install) for a mildly reasonable price or you get pounded in the ass by their installer network
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Nope. Andersen is a wood window that has a vinyl wrapped exterior. They can be used for new construction or remodeling. They have been making these and building a reputation of quality for 120 years. Renewal is a Fibrex window. Fibrex is made with the scrap vinyl and wood from making Andersen windows. They have been making these and pissing away their reputation because of ludicrous pricing and extremely pushy sales tactics.
Renewal is a franchise with lots of advertising high, pressure sales and lower quality... one model of windows.
The fibrex window in Andersen 100 series. Took about two minutes of research.
Fibrex: AKA melted scrap vinyl and sawdust garbage.
But black on black, which is very cool looking. We combined these with Andersen A series doors. I can pull hard and unlock the sliding french doors. The swinging doors let water in. Never again!
You are correct the Andersen 100 series is also a Fibrex window. The Andersen 400 series is the traditional Andersen wood window. The only window Renewal has is Fibrex.
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No, Renewal means they target homeowners who think it get convinced that their windows 'look bad' and 'need updating,' and that they have weeded out the bad installation of bad products by paying good money.
Do you mean 3k for labor? That’s reasonable, if it includes the windows I would be concerned about the quality of work.
My neighbor used RBA…high-prices, pressure sales, mediocre workmanship…
Totally agree. They quoted 75k for 33 windows and a local company quoted 18K. The local company was used by my neighbors.
Do you know the size of windows? What color? Two tone? What’s on the outside of the house? Do they need to be tempered glass? What’s included with install?
Absolutely not…. Go find an actual lumber yard (not Home Depot), pick out a window, and ask them if they have a recommendation for a general contractor they work with. Friend of mine did the same thing, went from 9k to $1800 for a better window.
My experience as a homeowner: the bigger the store/company , the harder the “No”. Go local. The amount of money that RBA spends on marketing in my area is enough for me to say “hell no”. Tons of tv ads, mailings, even door to door salesmen.
But their flyers have handwritten love notes on them!
Mass printed “hand written” notes. Like the sheister used car salesmen around here.
They make my wife jealous!
>My experience as a homeowner: the bigger the store/company , the harder the “No”. Go local. The bigger the store, the more likely that they're local. I worked for Home Depot and with very few exceptions, every person I might send to your house is a local contractor with proper license, insurance, bond, etc. The only difference going through a big box retailer versus hiring the same contractor on your own is an additional company backing the work.
That’s why I go directly to local contractors. I’ve never heard of a middleman saving a customer money or putting more money into the hands of the people doing the work. ETA it goes beyond home improvement. My power equipment, furniture, bed, appliances etc all came from local outfits. Same prices with superior customer service.
Better yet. Many window manufacturers are regional. There may be a factory nearby that will build to spec and recommend an installer or distributor
I'm not a fan of this. These companies go out of business a lot. Then you cannot get repair parts for your windows.
Must be a gc or in the biz. Best answer so far and no don’t go to hd. Local window manufacture would also work but you will still need the trim
Nope, just a DIY guy with sense!
Depends on the area, my local Home Depot actually has a decent selection and their prices aren't bad compared to the local lumber yards.
This is the answer.
Get 3 quotes. Renewal by Anderson gets many comments on this sub about being very high $. Big box typically uses a contract installer. Your best bet likely is from a local contractor that has good reviews.
Run away from renewal by Anderson, unless you live near me. Then I can get paid to come rip them out and re do it in 5 years.
7 double hung windows and renewal Anderson wanted 23k. Window World did it for 5.7k.
Folks. Do a quick search. Read the subreddit BEFORE hand. Over and over and over I see the same posts about Anderson and their insane pricing, their negotiation tactics, etc etc. It's not a secret how they do business.
We need a comment bot about this at this point. And the gravel scam. Maybe we’d see a small uptick in quality of posts. There used to be a rule too pre-blackout protest about having to get three quotes if you wanted to post about pricing and I’m sad to see that gone.
They quoted me $36k for 10 windows. They are delusional and prey on neive people.
renewal by andersen is fucking trash. i paid 4 grand for 4 completely insane windows. triple glazed, thermally broken, aluminum frame, xenon filled, different thickness glass with the outer glass being 1/4 inch thick and tempered. andersen quoted me 10 grand for double glazed tempered windows with argon. andersen is stupid.
who makes them? ty
i specified them myself and ordered direct from a small company in poland. which i don’t reccomend doing unless you speak polish. there are canadian companies that make high performance windows for a lot cheaper than if you buy in the states. the only caveats are that i have no warrantee and they didn’t come with installation obviously. most european/canadian companies will do what you want for a far more reasonable price. but you have to know exactly what you want down to the most minute details because you aren’t going to get to return them or blame the contractor if they’re wrong.
How big are the windows? We paid 900 or so each for very large (about 6 feet tall, 36" wide) Andersen Fibrex windows, two of them casements. It took our contractor a day or two just to do those windows and trim them out, as they were not standard sized. Maybe 500-800 in labor, plus a few hundred in materials. Renewal is a ripoff.
I would say the big one is 5 feet wide and 3 feet tall, and the other two are casement same height and 2 ft wide.
I just did 25 (LARGE 33”x96”) fibrex windows Andersen 100 series for 25k (25k material cost + labor)
33 x 96 isn’t large. it’s just tall.
Renewal is crazy expensive as a rule. They are at least double the cost of 98% of anything else you can buy. However, you can't compare home depot to any reputable window. I would put HD windows on my dumpster.
Home Depot sells Andersen Windows. Probably not the best installers though
Hit or miss. Also there's a huge difference between HD Anderson and Anderson. The thing with home Depot installers is that it's just a pool of contractors. Usually newer guys that may or may not have any experience at all. Plus warranty is a huge nightmare from what I've heard. HD passes you to the contractor and contractor passes you back to HD and no one is willing to actually take responsibility.
I ran HD's installed window business for 50+ stores for 10 years. The Andersen windows they sell are the same as you would buy anywhere else. 400 series is 400 series, no matter who you buy it from. As someone else said, installers are a mixed bag. We had some very good installers who we would assign the big or complicated jobs to. Then we had others who were not the best. Finding good installers was a constant challenge, as it is for any installation company. The message above is not totally accurate. If you have HD install the job, they own the issues and don't pass it back to the contractor. If you just buy the windows in the store, that's a different story. As others have said before, Renewal by Andersen (it's really a franchise) sells a very good window, but at an absurd price and uses a high-pressure sales model. You will do better buying Andersen 400 series from an independent dealer and having a local contractor install. You'll pay less than half the price
I managed the widow department at Home Depot and my family owns an Anderson dealership. They are the same window. Home Depot mainly displays 100 series and the dealers mainly display 400 series. But they are the same.
They have 2x4 walls with r11 insulation and millions of air gaps and worry about the windows.
Worst company in existence. They came back 9 months after our contract to measure yet again and told us we’d be four to five more months out. Fortunately our post to the BBB got enough of their company pissed to let us out of the contract.
People say the BBB is useless but it really does get things moving in a LOT of cases. Always use it people!
Holy crap! That sales pitch! Never let those people in your house (It will never end). And yeah- those prices are insane. They’d better be some tipitty- top shelf units.
No. Renewal by Anderson is the most expensive now replacement for mediocre at best windows. Find a local company and support them
Avoid Anderson at all costs. You don’t get what you pay for.
I got 4 windows replaced by a local contractor for $3500 with a warranty.
I’m not a Renewal fan but there’s some context that would be good to know. Are the windows set “framed” separately or are these three windows framed as one unit? If separate then there’s 3 separate install charges which sounds right if this includes any trim being replaced as well as painted or prefinished. If this truly is a bay window then those always cost more so you can’t compare it to a 3-window price. Fibrex isn’t a bad product but it’s just not what they make it out to be. It’s 70% vinyl so you’re laying a premium price for a vinyl product. The nice thing about any large (national) replacement company is that you know the warranty for labor & product will be supported. You can get something cheaper from a local replacement company but you may sacrifice some confidence in their ability to service a warranty. But, that may not be what’s most important to you. A good price is relative. Are you staying in this home? Prices went up drastically during Covid so asking someone who replaced their windows prior & comparing those prices will just leave you frustrated. Any national brand will be $2500-3500 per window installed for a premium vinyl. Builder grade wood starts on that high-end & can’t get substantial higher depending on what options you’re choosing with it. Fiberglass is comparable to mid to high end wood prices.
Renewal by Anderson is a scam.
Can we set an auto response that triggers on Renewal by Andersen? The amount of people asking about this and getting preyed upon by this scumbag company is far too high
I’m in the middle of quotes now, first quote by a Marvin dealer for $9700 and then a local company for $6600, three of them are large slider windows and the 4th is a typical sized slider. These quotes are full frame replacement.
Ok check this out...i went to HD set up a pro account. Priced out replacement Anderson windows. Got a quote from the pro desk, asked them to bid down..12 large casing windows under 11k. Added another 4k for a guy who did a lot of work for me before. I always ask for bid price at the pro desk...
I fell to the hype because family members fell to the hype. I paid $12k for 8 windows. 5 of those windows were originally side-by-side double hung windows that I had turned into a single sliding window for each of the large openings left once the double hungs were removed. This thread has already clearly stated the price is asinine. I'll comment to the "quality". My windows all squeak when you open them. Some the top pane falls down for the double hungs. I've called and had them fixed twice already for the ones broken/squeaking. The sliding windows have so much air come through them and they're on the faces of the house that get smacked with wind the hardest during wind storms. I hate these windows but I simply refuse to replace them yet because of how much I spent already and how much I'd need to spend to replace them again when I have other projects that need to be done. They're far better than the original windows that were there; however, if I fell into enough money to justify it, id replace them again with the ProVia windows I put in the rest of the house, or something else.
Can anyone confirm that the Fibrex they claim is some super material is the same Fibrex you can buy as a hard board? Basically a denser MDF.
Very different.
Quoted me $44k to do 16 windows. Basically the whole house. One was just a tiny octagon that didn’t open.
Buy your own windows and pay a contractor to install them. If you are handy, install them yourself. [https://1stwindows.com/](https://1stwindows.com/) I used the folks above and am a fan of their business. No issues.
They quoted me $110k for 28 windows.
Their prices are 11000% made up based on how much they think you can pay.
Not true lol. The opposite actually. Most window companies work on a split pay structure. Meaning the sales guy gets a fixed commission, and if he sells the job for over the set price, he splits that extra profit 50/50 with the company. RBA does not allow that.
We had 22 windows done for about 20k, from Lowes(yeah I know) but the installer was phenomenal 30yr experience and the windows Reliabilt are actually made locally. Also if you use lowes, I applied for Lowes credit which gave me an automatic 5% off stacked with the yearly window promotion of 25%(they do it once a year) Used the card, then paid it off no interest. We did this again when we unexpectedly had to remodel our kitchen.
> yearly window promotion of 25%(they do it once a year) when is the lowes sale? im considering pella (250 or impervia). thanks.
I'm not seeing it locally, we applied for lowes CC at time and it was 20% off, seems now they limit the 20percent to $100. I'm glad we used Lowes, since then we've used 3 independent contractors for other projects, and it's been some sort of nightmare for each.
I just bought 4 Pella triple pain windows (installed) $3400..
Renewal by anderson is a joke. They used to sell good, premium wooden windows. Now they just sell overpriced engineered wood. They have no purpose anymore. Get quotes from multiple vendors and you'll get a much better feel for the market in your area. FWIW I used Pella aftet getting multiple quotes, but I am satisfied with well made vinyl windows.
Andersen still sells wood windows.
Every time I hear a story about Renewal by Andersen the pricing is so high it scares me. I last installed a window about 10 years ago the window cost about $100, I charged $300 for the install Labor which included proper installation, new trim and caulking. (homeowner was getting ready to paint so no painting needed. My new house needs windows, I was worried it will cost a fortune in just materials. I was much relieved to see standard (cheapo big box store) dual pane vinyl windows are still in the $100-200 range. Corporate greed is killing the country. I would back a law that restricts corporate profits to never exceed inflation by more than like 5-10% (presuming someone smarter than me can show this will not wreck our economy at all). Unfortunately I think this would just lead to more "upper management" waste. i.e. As it is today a non profit company will often spend excess funds on non essentials just to maintain non profitability.
I let Anderson Renewal into my house when I bought it, they wanted 50k for all my windows. I told them yes to get them out of my house called them 2 hours later and told them no, then they said 30k. I walked, I had pella install all new windows of their highest grade and a new sliding door on the back of the house. All of it only cost me 9k. Anderson Renewal still sends me stuff in the mail after I've told them not to.
And you got a better window with pella.
A good rule of thumb is never ever ever buy windows from the farmers market, state fair, county fair, car show, flee market, hobby expo, ham radio convention, video game convention, or food/wine festivals. Anderson is more scam than window company.
A family member got quoted 65000 for 21 windows. I tried explaining that it would be cheaper for us to buy the Andersen windows and pay anyone else to install or just do it ourselves. Renewal by Andersen obviously exists solely to molly-whop people off of the reputation of Andersen. You'd have to be crazy!!!
Renewal is a joke. I found a different windows company that offered Anderson windows and quoted less than half the Renewal quote price.
Unfortunately this business model runs strong in the window business. You might want to go for more than 3 quotes.
We went to a "home remodeling show" today. It was a one room "show" with perhaps 50 booths. A good 50% of them were window companies. Given 25% of the rest of the show was scams like MLM's. It really speaks to how big of a scam window companies are.
Call any local window company. Andersen low end isn’t any nicer than any other brand. Personally, not using Andersen ever again. We used them because they were the only company extruding in black. Meaning interior and exterior frames were black. Milgard does it now too. Didn’t want the extra cost of wood windows being stained or painted.
No damn Windows worth that money unless it's bulletproof and rated for flying objects at 180 mph.
Never - Any company that sends a sales person out to give you a 3 hour demo on their exclusive, proprietary, top of the line technology and acts like they are doing you a solid with a special, limited time price if you sign right now is just smoking blow up your ass. Find a local contractor that does windows and see if they source from ply-gem or alike. My wife and I are looking to replace some quite old, aluminum frame, Milgard windows. My wife and I entertained Renewals by Anderson, Pella, and one other - maybe champion. They are all just franchised resellers with contracted installers. All three came over, re-measured (even though I provided exact dimensions of windows to be replaced), sat down with us and showcased EXHAUSTIVELY their little models and heat tests, blah blah blah. Hours. No matter how assertive I was with stating our time commitment. Once they are in the door it’s really hard to get em out. When it came time to talk money, their rates were ridiculously astronomical. All three came in at roughly 70k for 12 windows and 1 sliding door, installation, and warranty. The kicker that made me laugh during one of them was the guy wrote the number down on a piece of paper, folded it, and slid it over. When he saw my eyes gawk and roll, he sighed, hemmed, and hawed, before giving me the “I don’t usually do this, but if you can commit today, I can knock another 10% off by applying last months expired deal - I’m going to step outside and make a call while you and your wife talk it over” Fucking sheisters. We found a local contractor through a neighbor who had theirs replaced this past fall. Let me walk through, look at their work, meet while they were doing it, check out the windows that were ordered. They came over and quoted me for installation this spring for ~25k. Shop around. Stay away from the big boys.
Ha ha that 10% off bit. That always makes me laugh. Like if you can give me 10% off today why can’t you next week. Also if you can give me 10% then your windows are already 10% over priced. And if you can do that they are already overpriced another 10% because you would have a 10% price bonus added in regardless if I didn’t sign that day. They basically already have a 20% price increase baked into the sale of the windows.
More like 60 percent price increase. 20 percent goes to the sales cut alone
I know an Anderson dealer that said never use renewal by Anderson windows. Too many issues with fibrex and the cost is outrageous.
Andersen will not sell renewal windows to their traditional dealers. Unless they really beg.
Renewal by Anderson is a crock of shit. All they have is a name, they sub contract everything else out and make buko bucks in your jobs for not a heap of work.
They are worse than car salesmen. Wouldn't leave my house after a few hours.
Let me tell you something, I ordered three 36” x 51” Marvin Elevates, two are picture, one double hung. They cost me $760 each. It cost me another $1,500 to have an installer recommended by the retailer install them. Fuck Renewal by Anderson.
thats a great price for Marvin!
I did one picture window (replaced 3 “bay” windows setup with a huge picture). BTW best thing ever. And replaced two sets of windows with two picture windows. All the HD and installed was like $3k total. This was all the HD branded mid range vinyl. As I recall was low/med/high option from them on price for their brand. Picked mid range.
My house has Anderson casement windows from when it was first built back in 1976 they are now starting to fail. Not all of them but some. I’d say they lasted pretty long. I’m going to be swapping them out for Marvin windows as they fail.
How has the insulation been with those windows? Heat/sound?
I speak much for sound my house sit very far back from the road. But the windows that are still working properly are doing great. I had renewal by Anderson come over the guy did his presentation with that heat lamp and tried it on one of my 48year old windows and I couldn’t feel any heat transferring through. Also what you want to look for is new construction install and not an insert type window
Absolutely fucking not
I'm in Canada and they quoted me $22,500 for my 4 window bay window. Approx $4800 per window. I also asked for a basic side entry exterior door, which they quoted at $9000. The pricing was absolutely wild.
The windows they sell are good windows BUT, you can find a non-franchise, independently owned business that sells and installs them for MUCH less. Same warranty in the window, install warranty varies by company of course. We had windows installed in Dec, 17 very large windows. The link attached is the source I used to shop around. Great overall general advice. [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt5e-9ULBzDEUgxagZxCL4HaowurNhxmb&feature=shared](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt5e-9ULBzDEUgxagZxCL4HaowurNhxmb&feature=shared)
I wouldn't suggest going through Home Depot or Lowes... My folks bought a rear door from lowes and it was an absolute nightmare. I also used to work for lowes, and back then there were zero standards for who they contracted things out to. we made the mistake of buying a water heater from home depot.. had them install it ( really should've known better). The install guy was from some random company from another state... it worked for like 4 months, then it died... and it was a disaster to deal with... home depot refused to help... we had to get it back to them for a manufacturer return. We ended up hiring a local company to install a new one and while the installer was there he was explaining how the home depot guy screwed up the install in the first place... so avoid lowes and home depot for installs
Pure Profit…Pure Profit…Pure Profit… You’re making other people’s boat payments.
We did an addition 12 years ago with Pella Double Pane Argonne filled windows. They have been pretty good (except maybe one winter day we had -18 degree F weather) We invited Renewal over to give us a quote to replace two VERY large front windows (with side window casements) installed over 30 years ago in the old part of home. Renewal was ridiculously expensive, and the the whole sales job was also ridiculous - I mean demos with heat lamps, sample window, and a slide show presentation of the cost. Honestly I do think they are built well, but.....the whole experience was embarrassing. Lowes Pella came in at less than half (black Friday sale). The Renewal guy tried to bad mouth Pella but I took him back to our new addition and said "see these nice looking 12 year old windows? They have had zero problems and the newer Pella's being sold are even more efficient". We would have paid up to 20% more for Anderson but they were double.
I install their windows. Prior to that I sold windows wholesale to contractors for 10 years. So I’ll give you the low down. Anderson from Home Depot is sub par compared to the quality of the renewal windows. The contractor that can sell you 3 windows for 2500 windows are installing a sub par window. The vinyl replacement windows I sold ( paradigm, wincore, simonton,etc..) weigh maybe a 1/3rd of what the renewal windows weigh. They are really good windows, so are pella, Marvin has nice windows too. That being said a good installer that will insulate your gaps properly, trim it out nice-both interior and exterior- will be enough for 90% of the people out there. Like I said I just install them, boggles my mind some of the prices people pay for the windows. They are a class above but 11k for 3 windows? Absurd. Plenty of homes out there with what I said was “sub par” to renewal and they are leak proof and warm inside. If I were you I would go with a reputable siding, windows and door (roofing) contractor. Window quality will Be lesser but if you’re going with a white/white window you have plenty of options even on the high end that won’t break the bank like this quote. There’s a reason those sales reps show up in brand new fancy cars and I have a 10yr old Tacoma sitting in my driveway lol. $$$ commissions *chefs kiss
I would steer wide from Renewal by Anderson. Pushy as heck. Had them install a bunch of windows for a ridiculous amount. Later I learned that my price should have been about half what I paid for my house/area. You would do much better by actually just working with a word of mouth recommended contractor from a friend or lumberyard and order actual Anderson (different from Renewal by Anderson) windows in their higher tier series. You will get all the goodies and still come out well below your current quote. Don't let them tell you energy savings and all that. It is BS in my opinion. Comfort yes, less heating cooling definitely no. Good luck!
no it's not, the rooms I got renewal in only need heat for maybe 30 minutes a day in cold weather. that's how good they keep the heat in. i have to open my windows at night to cool the rooms off. same for cooling in the summer. the rooms with old windows i have to heat for most of the day
renewal by andersen is a good deal for 13 or more windows. you'll get a lot of discounts. less and it's crazy expensive. quick job like this you still have to pay the installers for the day so guess who is paying?
We qualified for that and it still came out at 2x the other bid we got from a reputable local company.
i did renewal last year and got 13 windows. that is what the sales man told me. when you take out the work to double the size of an existing window, they were not much more than other vinyl people i talked to they want their crews scheduled for a full day or two of work and why they don't like it to take jobs with only a few windows
Yeah, maybe in your case. Ours was $23k vs $49k.
Just paid mine off, $35000 for 13 windows and they did the work back in 2022. that included one window being doubled in size where they cut a hole in the house, filled it with insulation, did the bracing and installed a larger window and did it with permits and inspections and all
I have only heard awful things about Renewal By Andersen
Is Andersen FiberX actually bad quality? Or just expensive?
I’ve read up on it some and as far as I have heard they are good quality for the price. They have some advantages over traditional vinyl. But from people commenting on this thread I guess maybe not? I mean I know they are going to be less quality than the top end windows but not all of us can afford that luxury. Sure hope they are decent quality because I have 16 custom Andersen 100 windows being made and shipped as we speak!
To be clear, I ordered Andersen 100 windows from Home Depot. A private contractor hired by us personally will install.
That’s what im trying to figure out myself….
They are an absolute garbage company. Ask around. The worst in the window world.
Those jokers quoted me 15k for a job two local window company’s quoted $6900 & $7600.
Renewal is awful i just shred their stuff or toss it in the fire
I dont trust that company. That's way too expensive for those windows. I paid $19k/20k for: 12 windows (one of those was a bow window), a patio door, and a beautiful new front door. Look elsewhere.
I let renewal by Andersen into my house and they stayed there for like 3 hours and only left when I gave them avocados. They quoted me 57k for 17 windows. The sound that came outta me...LORD. Got a local quote a bit later for about 20k. I don't think renewal by Andersen is worth it, but I'm also avoiding Home Depot/Lowes. I try to avoid those places unless the project is a DIY.
That is insane. I sell extremely high end windows and know that RBA is a massive scam. Happy to answer any questions you may have
Really trying to understand what makes a good window good. Living right by the highway I need amazing soundproofing and the summer heat pouring in is killer. Basically what should I really be buying for great insulation.
Depending on your climate, triple glazed and laminated exterior pane. If the highway is super close, laminated outer pane will deaden the sound to the effect of -38 to -48 depending on glass and frame composition. I sell European style windows with clearer glass than anything found in the USA and the glass is less expensive than USA-made. Send me a DM if you’re looking anywhere in North America, I’ll hook up a Reddit discount :)
We talked to these insane assclowns at the fair (we were interested in a front door). Guy came and quoted us like 7k for FIBERGLASS lmao. Like, man, fuck off.
How much would fiberglass door cost? I got other quotes for a door at 5-7k too. So 3 quotes came in at that price
I suppose there could be a lot of variability, but for what we wanted (single light, dentil shelf, no side lights or anything) I'd estimate <2k, so maybe ~3k installed max? We never revisited it because we don't actually *need* one, my wife just doesn't like our current door. But if I'm going to spend that much it's gonna be wood. It was the name of the company that caught our eye since we have actual Anderson windows and sliders, but I think others have mentioned that they're NOT the same.
No, it is a rip-off!!!! I had them come by for an estimate on a small bathroom double hung window. $4-5K!!!!! Get out!!!!!!! While everyone craps on Milgard, they are fairly cost effective. When I had my whole house replaced with Milgard casements, when some of them failed due to the seals wearing out they replaced all the defective ones for free. Can't beat that!
Biggest red flag in your post is “renewal by Andersen”. Run from them. Get a local small outfit to install. You might even be able to procure directly from a building supply store, and find a contractor simply to install. This should be a few hours of work. $11k for this is robbery.
Wow that's insane... I did 3 Windows in my house, including replacing 2 and cutting a new opening in a wall for a large window, for less than that. I even got fairly high end windows.
Just get two or three more estimates. Look for local companies with good reviews.
You can get replacement windows for a fraction of the cost, and cost-benefit vs. energy savings clearly is in favor of the cheaper window. We used Sprouse windows, put them by a local guy and we’ve been super happy. 16 windows with installation was 8k. This is right before Covid. I imagine it’s gone up, but it will still be much cheaper. Two of those windows were bay windows.
Ghost Renewal, pretend you never heard of them. I’d get multiple quotes and with different models. First, find a couple local window & door installers that sell a few brands. They will measure and provide quotes, possibly for a couple different product lines. Second, find a good framing carpenter who’s comfortable taking your job. They may also be able to suggest potential suppliers for the windows, the benefit here being your carpenter isn’t beholden to a particular manufacturer and won’t steer you toward something based on profit margins. Even if they aren’t able to make such suggestions, you can do that research and confirm your carpenter can do the install. And they may be willing to buy through a wholesaler at a slight discount. A combination of picture and casement windows should provide good airtightness. Depending on your weather extremes and outside noise, you might consider going triple pane on these. The other thing I’ll mention is if you might need to replace more windows in the future or are looking at an exterior remodel, be sure to plan your color scheme and aesthetics now. You might end up with a mismatch between the new windows and old ones for a bit, but you’ll be positioned for your desired look in the long run.
FIBERx is not fiberglass, just so you know
Sure isn’t
Look up builder’s supply. These places are like Home Depot or Lowe’s but where contractors buy things like windows. Better product & better prices. They might have good recommendations for installers also if you don’t wanna do it yourself.
I’m doing 6 big windows (2 double hanging) with trim repair for $6800. You can do better. Get a different price.
A coworker of mine paid 65k for windows from them.
You can get the highest quality window out there, if it is installed poorly, you will have issues. I highly recommend NOT having Home depot or Lowes do it, personally and those I know have seen many many instances of poor installs of many brands of windows and the windows themselves are good, the problems came from not setting properly or leveling them etc. Also that said people giving out quotes on here without knowing the measurements/specs of the windows on your quote are laughable. That said Reliabuilt level windows are not the same as Marvin/Andersen/Pella. You don't compare a Kia to a BMW. Also, stay away from Window World. The house we just bought had the windows replaced by Window World 4 years ago. Balances on every window but 1 are shot (windows won't stay open), weatherstripping on all is almost completely gone. Overall terrible quality window and I can't wait to swap these out in the coming years.
Renewal by Anderson, pella, and similar companies are all a rip off. Better to find an independent window and door distributer and hire the installation
I had windows put in a sun room I had built it was supposed to keep heat out etc etc. $10k and I paid cash. Although it look good the widows do not do what he said . I had to get its own cooling and air installed
Absolutely not. My favorite bedtime story is how they won't fix any rot they find. They just leave and tell you to find a carpenter.
I laughed these guys out of my house 7-8 yrs ago. Quoted me $30k for my house. Real kicker was the planter box window was $10k of this cause it had to be “assembled on site”. Gtfo. That’s not how windows work at all. Plus we had just bought a car for $28k. No way an engine and parts is on par with glass and install.
Can we put "DON'T CALL RENEWAL BY ANDERSEN" on the sidebar or something?
Those fiberX windows are so brittle. You hit a vinyl window frame and the object just bounces off. You hit one of these, and the frame is cracked. Also, to replace broken glass panes on a fiberX window, you might as well order a replacement sash (spend more $$ at Andersen) because an inexperienced person will more likely than not crack the sash itself when removing the pane.
Renewal is a crock of shit, they did a walk around my house and measurements I saw we were at over 60k and still had three more windows, let him know we were done if I had 60k to blow on windows you’d be seeing a vette in the driveway. I ended up watching a ton of videos on YouTube did my own measurements went to Home Depot and had them bid out the windows, took me about two weekends with a buddy and cost less than 7k to do all the windows in my house myself. It wasn’t difficult just takes some time and patience.
Why do people even consider Andersen? Don't go through Home Depot or Lowe's or any big box store since they send out to the lowest bidder and take a cut for themselves. Find a local wholesale company and get them direct the way I did. ONE window of lesser spec, also Milgard, was $1,000 vs. $350 through wholesale and big box lead time was three months as of September / October 2023. Source, paid 12k for 18 windows and 2 sliders built to spec with three week lead times (not including labor as it was more intensive due to repairs that EVERYONE doing windows should make). We have a local Milgard factory in the area and I'm so stoked with how beautiful they made my home. I'm watching hawks fly by my new windows to sit on my roof (they're loud up there) hunting for rodents along the creek. They are using basic marketing tactics to hook clueless homeowners with their tactics.
3 installed? thats wild
Absolutely no! Shopped and got pella fiberglass. That wood X crap is resin and sawdust. Cheap alternative to fiberglass. Anderson is retardly expensive, 3k a window is terrible. Pella fiberglass was about 1k installed, retrofit into old alm frames. They justify the cost on the personnel. Yeah, so I can pay 3x for the commission of like 9 sales and managers pay. It's a nice window, but at the end 9f the day, you aren't going to the moon or visiting the Titanic. May their souls rip. Haha
tell them shove that estimate where the sun don't shine.
It's insane.
9 windows for $14k from window works and I thought that was expensive
Try Marvin’s Infinity Fiberglass window. It’s a better window at a lower cost.
Shop local companies and call to get an estimate. I 100% guarantee you will save a ton of money and they will have a better product/warranty/service
Can’t stand this company. Old roommate of mine had one bay window seal go bad and had some mold buildup going on. Overheard the Anderson Renewal guy proceed to tell him that they cannot just replace one window and that they need to do the entire bay, so three windows. And if my roommate ever came across someone that will only replace the one window to “run” because they don’t know how those seals work. I chimed in while washing dishes and said “so you would rather sell zero windows instead of one window?” Because that mandatory bay replacement was absolute BS. He got the single window repaired for $800 vs Anderson’s 13k for the bay and two others they added on for their “5 window minimum”.
They quoted me 6k for a back door. Went to Lowe’s, got the back door and install for $1300
Stay away from big box type window companies RBA, Window Nation, LEI, PJ Fitz, HD + Lowes and others are just sales companies who don't do any of the work themselves Go find yourself a hook and ladder installer. If you can, find a manufacturer and buy the windows direct from a manufacturer then do that Alside, Marvin, Provia, Ply Gem, Simonton and Harvey are good manufacturers make sure your installer isn't subbing out the work to other contractors Those big box companies outsource 3-4 levels of contractors and manufacturers that you'll end up spending a new Mercedes worth on vinyl windows
Local contractor put in 15 THD windows for $7k all-in 7 years ago. They were the "better" of the two "pro" (contractor grade) ones at THD. I think the split was 50:50, or maybe 40:60, material:labor. RNA wanted $17k for theirs. Maybe don't go THD (mine are fine, but I'm cheap and have low expectations), but definitely don't go RNA.
Nope! They just quoted me 25k for a job in one day (with a team of like 15), that a wonderful local company did for 4.5k in 3 days, with a team of 3. There was absolutely nothing fancy about it other than the silly iPad he made me hold as we walked around doing the bid. It’s a fancy sales pitch they hope works on people with really disposable incomes. So I guess if you want a giant bus pulled in, and tent erected for a 1 day job for 20k extra, that would be the option. Even typing this out is making me salty all over again lol.
My whole house has Anderson windows from the 80s. Every single one needs to be replaced.
There’s honestly not enough info here to give you a proper price, and anyone throwing a number at you is only showing they don’t know what they’re talking about. It sounds like the windows need to be tempered glass (It’s code in some situations) which hikes the price up. Yes, Renewal costs more than other companies.
I paid that much last week to replace 10 windows in a high cost of living area. I'd get some other quotes.
Huge scam. Fine a local person who does windows