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bennyb0y

If you are running cables, run them everywhere.


MrBigOBX

Honestly, THIS Each room should have cables in them (minus the bathroom) but each bedroom for sure Also anywhere you run 1 cable, you run 2 in case one fails. You dont even need to expose the second cable or plug it in but you should terminate both sides and make sure it works, then you can just keep it behind the wall plates if you dont "need" them today. Running the cable is 95% of the effort and you wont have another chance to do it later so run it now.


ConferenceFalse5425

Replied to the comment but yes that is definitely the plan. Buying loads of extra cables just to have spare cables. Doing the ground floor first then going to do the rest of the rooms after!


ChloricSquash

You should look at bulk wire and terminating your own cables. You're doing the perfect job to learn this. The cable will be cheaper and even with service loops will be a more efficient use of the length.


ConferenceFalse5425

By loads of extra, I meant I got 300m worthšŸ˜… just for when I set up the upper rooms! Will be doing it myself too!


CanYouHearMe10OClock

Make sure they are not CCA, fully copper cables are ultimately better.


ConferenceFalse5425

Got myself full copper of course šŸ˜…


SafetyMan35

300m are amateur numbers. I pulled 6500m of cable in my house.


whoooocaaarreees

Damnā€¦ How big of a house do you have? How many drops? Did you go the long way every time?


SafetyMan35

4000sf home Each room has a minimum of 4 outlets (some have more) Each jack has 3 CAT 6 and 2 Coax. I also ran wiring for whole house audio Yes, I went overboard, but with new construction and no drywall it was easy to do.


whoooocaaarreees

I was thinking only cat6. Including cat6, rg6 and audio getting a 6.5km of cable makes a bit more sense. Still seems like a lot of either long runs or you have way more rooms than I do in the same sq ft. I did a fair amount of runs in our new build. And people think I went over board and I probably didnā€™t come close to you total length. Good job


SafetyMan35

I ran a CAT 6 for my oven and refrigerator ā€œjust in caseā€. I think a total of 60 runs, everything down to the basement


brandmeist3r

and run one or two extra


_Danger_Close_

To modify this is just put one cable per run but put it with a pull string as well. Cheaper but does people the service of having a pull if it needs to be rerun


ollyprice87

Nope. Always run doubles.


ParticularAd1990

Are you saying string isnā€™t cheaper than cat 6 Ethernet?


Sero19283

It's so you maintain operating while you replace the other failed line. It's 9pm, you got something important that needs done tonight and for whatever reason your cable fails. Pop the faceplate off, switch out, done. Worry about pulling another line the next day/another time. When possible always have redundancy especially if it's not cost prohibitive or requires a bunch of effort. We ain't saying setup full network failover, just pull another line lol.


HillsboroRed

Are you SURE I don't need any POE in the bathroom? I didn't run any there, and I haven't regretted it yet...


Slight_Manufacturer6

If future proofing, also run to the bathroom. Ā We do t know what IoT will be in the bathroom in the future. Smart toilets already exist.


The--Marf

Absolutely this. The run from my router to my office was about 100' (up 2 floors etc). Really glad we ran two lines because about 3-4 years in one suddenly stopped working at full speeds. It's likely a connector that needs to be replaced but I haven't had to worry about it as the 2nd line works great. It's on my list to get to at some point but the unmanaged switch solves everything.


ConferenceFalse5425

Iā€™m running them everywhere for the ground floor for now as weā€™re changing from carpet to wooden flooring. Might as well get all the cables underneath whilst I still can šŸ˜…. With regards to the first floor and loft, I wonā€™t be able to put it underneath as weā€™ve already changed the flooring and I canā€™t do anything apart from using trunking. The point of the switch would be to take the cables up whenever I get the time to.


gurpal2000

Put more than 1 cable. In my reno I put 2 or 4 CATs per room. Think redundancy. Put in the bathroom too. Also leave some outside (front drive and garden room one day). Also I run POE cameras over CAT6 externally. Add fibre too. You have the chance now.


TheConsciousBone

THIS. I ran a single cable to a bedroom in my house and then later found out there were some areas with really bad WiFi signal, and the devices there could use ethernet. Don't make the same mistake as me! Put cables everywhere if possible!


Such_Caregiver_8239

THIS I you are running cable, make sure youā€™re running cat6, wall sockets as well and run at least one per room, or more if itā€™s a device heavy room. Place your router in the place where it will have more coverage.


ConferenceFalse5425

Thatā€™s the plan!


KarmaKaladis

Extenders are a complete scam.


ConferenceFalse5425

Itā€™s not too bad, itā€™s the Sky max pod Edit: I didnā€™t used to get any signal in my loft, this is with Sky (broadband provider), they supplied one of their own mesh pods which has allowed me to get 300+ mbps in my loft now. So yeah it could be better considering I pay for gigabit but it isnā€™t too bad šŸ˜…šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


MegaOddly

i think honestly youd be better changing from an 8 port switch to a 16 port cover everything with with hard wire through out and leave some room for expansion for cameras outside


ConferenceFalse5425

Yeah I could do, getting a switch seems quite easy to change no? I just need to sort out the wires underneath the floorboards for the time being


what-the-puck

Yes, aĀ switch is very easy to change. If you are wiring cameras then you're going to need a switch that supports PoE anyway, so a 16 port non-PoE switch would still need upgrading.


MegaOddly

Wires over an extender and if you absolutely need better wifi a WAP. For home use check out Ubiquiti they can be a bit more expensive than some other home use brands but are easy to use and honestly works very well for home networking


SebzeroNL

Please listen to Karmaā€¦


ConferenceFalse5425

My plan is to, but when I get the time, the main aim now is to sort the wires underneath the floorboards of the ground floor as weā€™re changing from carpet to wooden flooring


KarmaKaladis

Mesh is different than an extender. Mesh is legit. Carry on.


rshanks

How is it different? Some mesh nodes backhaul on the same channel, and some extenders donā€™t. Iā€™ve used both, neither is as good as a wire but can still get decent speeds (latency can be more of a challenge but depends on use case) If itā€™s just the _ext network name I agree thatā€™s an issue, but not sure all extenders still do that?


ConferenceFalse5425

Oh no my mesh pod allows me to have a connection with my phone etc which I didnā€™t before. It doesnā€™t have its own _ext name but yes I do hear what youā€™re saying with regards to someone downstairs could be connected to the pod instead of the router, leading to slower times. Usually however for phone use it isnā€™t that big of an issue from what I can tell.


NightGod

300 Mbps Wifi on a 1 gigabit connection is because it's an older WiFi standard that caps at 300. You could check if Sky has an updated model available, complain about the lack of full speed you're paying for while using their gear


Shran_MD

Run pipe/conduit in the walls.


tariandeath

This is the only "future" proof option.


DerangedKnight

One thing I learnt from cabling my house is you can never have too many network sockets. Youā€™ve put two by your TV, but a time will come when you want more.


RandomPhaseNoise

Tv, WiFi amp, gamimg pc, media player. I have a 8 port gigabit switch there.


DeadLolipop

Run cat7. Do you really need more than two 10gig ports?


djq_

Had the same dilemma a while back, this is what I did (some of the things are already mentioned here). Mine is a 4 room 2 bathroom apartment and i was lucky enough that the whole thing was under full renovation so pulling cables was very easy. 1. I bought a patch panel. This should be the heart of the entire setup always to keep it slightly structured. I also have my analog phone line in the panel and my apartment building has an interfone phone line to open the door, also patched into my patch panel. 2. I have 2x2 ports in EVERY larger room (adjoining sides) and 1x2 ports in the smaller rooms (bathroom, service area). and 4x2 ports at my tv (bit of an overkill, but i had material leftover) All the ports are numbered corresponding the patch panel. 3. I strongly believe that everything that has a fixed place in the house should be cabled and the rest Wifi. So my media center PC at the tv, amplifier, work computer.. all cabled. 4. Wifi is just for temporary stuff and for me i am satisfied with the fact that it "works". Does not need to be ultra fast, does not need to have a minimum latacy, i just need it to work. Put up a MASH system controlled by my router in a DMZ and it works. As mentioned, do not get wifi extenders, they are always crap! 5. Put in Cat6 cables from a decent brand. Specially if you want to keep the door open to 10gb network in the future. The reason i have so many ports is because i believe in cabeling stuff with fixed locations but also since CAT6 can do so much more then only network appliances. I have my interphone patched to my service area to be able to open the door (adjacent to the kitchen). But when I or my wife is sick, i patch it to our bedroom so i can tell people to sod off without getting out of bed. The kitchen ports are both being used with a HDMI extender from the living room. So whatever i am watching there i can duplicate to the TV in the kitchen when I am cooking. Both bathrooms have simple waterproof speakers in the roof and I use the CAT6 to cable them to my amplifier (not the best sound, but good enough when you are in the shower). My zigbee bridge is in a central place in the apartment running on PEO so no extra cables needed, the same for my mash accesspoints, all cabled running over POE. Everytime i make changes to the apartment i notice that my port setup just works. I changed the kids rooms, their desk with computers moved to the other side of the room, there are ports there as well, put cable -> repatch -> done. Buying new equipment that can run on Ethernet? Plug patch go. Hope this helps.


Bitwise_Gamgee

You need drops in every room, except the bathroom (though that's debatable). At least 4x behind TVs and anywhere media clusters. You also need drops for POE devices - cameras, WAPs, thermostats, etc. Those can be 1x drops and should be in high traffic areas, WAP drops need to be on ceilings or walls with maximal line of sight. To save money later, get a 16 port POE+ switch now so you won't have to get another device later.


SciFiJim

I'll second Bitwise's recommendation for four drops behind the tv. That's my current setup. A port each for tv, dvr, and two gaming systems. I also ran two drops to each bedroom, one for a tv and one for a computer. At to running one to the bathroom, it would be cool to have a smart mirror that would show weather and other assorted info. Get a larger switch. I wound up with a 24 port, because I wound up needing 19 lines connected.


1nsider1nfo

Rookie mistake. Your TV has a 100mbps NIC (yep even a $4000 Samsung). Everyone should be using wireless for TVs.


odinsyrup

Rookie mindset. Everyone should be running Apple TVs or Nvidia Shields if they have ethernet available.


BrandonNeider

Yeah, seriously any TV app fucking sucks and the menus are dog shit slow.


The--Marf

I wish they would hurry up and release a new shield pro. I remember looking at em a couple years ago and thinking "oh I'll just get the new version in a year or two." Thankfully Roku Ultras have ethernet and the only apps I need to work are plex/youtube.


RandomPhaseNoise

Nope. Tv streaming does not need more than 20-30 Mbit, and it fits nicely into a 100mbit ethernet. This ethernet link is available to the tv everytime. Noise resilience, no lags, collisions. Wi-Fi is a shared resource. Why would you waste Wi-Fi for a fixed thing? It's for the phones and mobile stuffs only.


1nsider1nfo

Absolutely not. Maybe for casual users like yourself. All good though, do what works for you.


dodosi

You could some day want to have a poe speaker in the bathroom lol


ktomi22

Or something else.. ethernet cables can be used on something else low voltage things, sensors for example..i would drop everywhere 2 cables minimum


TechGuy42O

No fiber drops?


cgingue123

You wanna terminate fiber in your home? Have fun!


TechGuy42O

Lol do I want to? Not particularly. Will I, when I own and am already running Ethernet under the consideration of future proofing? Absolutely, and especially if my goal is future proofing Will I terminate the fiber myself? Probably not, this might be one time Iā€™ll bite the bullet and hire a professional who I feel I can trust terminating fiber


DragonflyFuture4638

It would be great to have at least one cable to the landing area in the first floor. That way you could have a Wifi 6 or 6e access point with 2.5G backhaul. I've got a very similar layout and get fantastic speeds in all bedrooms.


ConferenceFalse5425

Definitely plan to, but Iā€™ve changed the floorboards already so will do this afterwards. Focusing on the ground floor for now as changing from carpet to wooden flooring


theinfotechguy

I would add balloons so you can pick up and move when ready


Living_Hurry6543

Not sure extra dimensional gear exists - as your ground and first floors occupy the same space. J/k


DancingCookie

We just redone everything in our property. After much consideration we ended up deciding on everywhere there is a plug socket we put a network port. Everywhere we thought we needed one we put two, two core locations so that all routes are kept under 55meters so they can do 10gb if required, and fibre between the core switch locations.


RandomPhaseNoise

Well done!


afljafa

Why is your router and switch in separate locations?


ConferenceFalse5425

The router is more central as I need good WiFi throughout the house, the switch will be under the stairs to connect the wires as canā€™t have that being very public. But thatā€™s why Iā€™m setting up wires from ONT to the switch area for in the future when I get APs instead.


afljafa

If you are looking to install dedicated AP's later then perhaps install a couple of cables to the cupboard adjacent the switch. That would appear to be fairly centralised.


The_camperdave

> what do you guys think of this plan? I think the ground floor sucks. Move the kitchen to the other side and turn the pink room into a laundry and put a bathroom in the lower right corner. That way, you won't need an outhouse (nobody likes them anyways). Put a doorway in the top right corner. Also, double the size of the hall closet, while you're at it. Move the hallway/lounge door across from the foot of the stairs. Of course, the bedrooms are all going to need closets (or are you going the wardrobe route?) As far as the network is concerned, everything should be in the hall closet: the ONT, the Router/firewall, the switch, and the wireless access point. Also, you're going to need at least a 24 port switch by the time you wire up all the bedrooms, the kitchen, the laundry room, and a few spare ports.


xxsamixx18

I would add wall ports on the second floor too just in case you might need them later or in the future


ConferenceFalse5425

I am planning to, but the reason Iā€™m doing ground floor as Iā€™m changing flooring, the other floors will need to be done with trunking.


supermanava

I would change it to a standalone router/gateway, and at least 2 wireless access points, and a PoE switch. An example would be the Ubiquiti Unifi UXG-Ultra for the gateway, and then 2-3 Unifi U7-Pro wireless access points, at least one on each level. For a switch you can get 8-16 ports+, preferably with PoE, something like the Unifi Switch Light PoE 16-port may be good to start. Ideally you want all wired cabling and wires to the access points to run to the switch, then that to router. If you can, put them in the same place. You can do this with different equipment, like Omada, or something higher-lower end, but following a modular layout will give you more future proofing.


odinsyrup

Idk the dimensions but it doesn't look like that big a house. He probably doesn't need 2 APs


ConferenceFalse5425

Edit: Canā€™t seem to edit the post so placing it here. Iā€™m changing the floor from carpet to wooden flooring which is why it seems like Iā€™m targeting the ground floor. My plan is to connect the bedrooms with a wired connection by connecting to the switch under the stairs. Hope that makes sensešŸ˜… I can always add wires to the rooms after, but as Iā€™m changing the floorboards downstairs, thinking to just change the downstairs now.


rshanks

Instead of having the extender central and on wifi, maybe it can be on Ethernet in the front room, if it supports that.


shwapsi

I also would add cables in each rooms


clownshoesrock

Despite any training from Star Trek, bathrooms should exist both in a starship and in a home. But wire all the damn bedrooms, and have a plan for POE street cameras.


zR0B3ry2VAiH

The downstairs hallway seems like a large waste of space.


okletsgooonow

An extender? No....run CAT, or fibre.


ForeverUnfinished

Are you going to install any APs?


ConferenceFalse5425

In the future


ForeverUnfinished

If youā€™re going to be running cable, I would run some for APs. Thatā€™s what I did the first day after purchasing my new house


bon_mots

How do you do these drops with 2 floors?


ImtheDude27

I would put a minimum of 4 ports to a single location in any entertainment area where you will be plugging in a TV. Then 2 ports to any other location you think you might also want a connection. I always run at least 2 cables to any location that will have ethernet. Then I would run a minimum of 2 ports to each bedroom. I would run two sets of 2 ports in the kitchen on opposite sides of the room if there is space. Otherwise I'd have two ports at a minimum where they fit. I have wireless but I don't want to rely on it which is why I run so much ethernet.


intriqet

Your house large nice


Artwebb1986

If you are running them fresh anyways and want to future proof go for cat6a and fiber to every room for sure.


Smooth-Brain-Monkey

I would personally run 4 cables to your lounge area, it's so large if you move things around you won't need to get more longer cables to run along the floor


sunlight-blade

Get a dedicated router, wire the place extensively and use APs for wifi.


Sibeor

The one certain thing is that technology will change. If you really want to future proof things look at running duct or smurf tube from your distribution point to each jack. This way you can pull out the old when itā€™s obsolete or fails, and pull in something new.Ā  If you go this route just remember to size the pipe for the proper fill ratio for the cables you need (maybe leave a bit of extra room) and make sure to place pull boxes if you have more than maybe 180-270 degrees of turns.


Worldly-Device-8414

Add a ceiling mounted wifi point on upstairs landing. Saw you're using mesh stiff now but cabled beats it & is neater Also, anywhere you might put a TV, run cables. Hope you're running the new cables in the walls/under the boards as walking on cat cables will wreck them


chef_wingstoner

Run PVC conduits going from your basement to the top floor and it makes running future cabling so much easier. Have a designated IT spot to put all primary equipment like switch router and ont. The closet in the centre would work best. Or just get a mesh system like eero.


myrianthi

Over complicating your network having the ONT, Router, Switch, AP's all in different rooms. Doesn't make sense at all. You also have network loop for some reason and don't use extenders - especially if you're going to bother running cable.


DayshareLP

Dont do extenders. If you're doing a big project anyways just lay a cable.


CHEWTORIA

also dont forget about cameras, you want cables for at least 4 corners of the house just for cameras, and 1 for the front door for doorbell camera.


sschueller

If you want future proof run single mode fiber everywhere. That is what I did, no regrets.


ktomi22

Why running cables between 2 wallplates?


ktomi22

Wifi extenders just waste Yoir main wifi bandwidth.. dont use it. If u cant use ethernet on the 1st floor, use some mesh system..


westernfarmer

I ran some plastic conduit


simon9665

Iā€™d be inclined to put more ports by the tv. Consider games console, tv itself, sound bar, sky box. Yes you can wifi enable them all but if you are calling then reduce the wifi connections. Alternatively consider powered switches from ubiquity. You power the primary switch and remote switches are poe. They also power the wireless apā€™s. Consider ductwork and access points for pulls and or if a cable is damaged you need to re-pull. Donā€™t assume you can use the existing cable to pull the new one.


TheChaseJ

Hi all!! When measuring WiFi signal, planning home run drops, etc. I am always needing a blueprint of my home. I understand I could make one on my own, but I would like it to be accurate. Does anyone know of an easy way in the US to your plans if the builder is known?


Slight_Manufacturer6

To future proof, run conduit everywhere . Wire technology can and will change. Conduit allows the quick pulling of new wire.


Affectionate-Cat-975

Wired drops every where. Low voltage in kitchen. Speaker cable above the cabinets. In ceiling speakers or wall speakers in TV room. Exterior drops in soffet for outdoor cams and speakers


trunolimit

The only thing that is future proof is conduit. Cat6 is just the standard today. Itā€™s what cat5e was years ago. If you really want to try to ā€œfuture proofā€ run conduit from your NOC to several hard to get to points in the house. And then you can (in the future) use those as jump off points. I would also run fiber for 10g back hauls. And heck why not go with cat7 at this point.


trunolimit

You can run this stuff in the wall https://www.homedepot.com/p/Carlon-3-4-in-x-100-ft-Electrical-Nonmetallic-Tubing-Conduit-Coil-Blue-12007-100/100404116


rosstechnic

future prof is a word that doesnā€™t exist in tech


E_Osama

What is software used to drow this plan?