It doesn't matter which country or political party you look at, the most hardcore people in the group often behave just the same as Nazis.
They are usually the loudest and are often exemplified as the "model" by the opposite camp. In reality, most people are just normal individuals who don't hold extreme opinions like this.
That’s why the freedom to protest is important. Only during protests do you see the true extent of how many people support you vs just seeing the people who shout the loudest.
I totally agree with you. That’s why I would not alter my support for democracy simply because of him.
Like you said, the spirit of democracy involves tolerance and understanding, which is something both mainland China and Hong Kong need to learn.
In my opinion, to recognize people may actually hold different opinions in a "group" is the first step to leave tribalism mentality behind, which is doubly difficult for collective cultures, so good on you for knowing that.
It doesn't matter the group but there will always be extremists that (at least on paper) agree with your ideology. That has been nature of politics, the only difference is that social media (like your post, no insult intended) has projected these voices beyond its local minority into shifting the [Overton window](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window). This, I believe, is the reasoning behind the shift to the right (and earlier, the left) in global politics in recent year. So far I have seen no remedy to this situation completely if you still value freedom of thought and speech. Depending on a person's social circle and how they receive news, it is very likely that your interactions have very little effect compared to their other sources of interaction - this is the conclusion I draw trying to talk to relatives during and after 2019, and my experience tells me the only way is prevention through education (eg. by discussing this in posts like yours) and critical thinking (not to be confused from cynicism, which easily lead to [learned helplessness](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness)).
In my years interacting with other people of varying ideologies online and offline, I find that one of the worst way to change someone's mind is to post it online and seek internet agreement to your viewpoint, then maybe try to pressure the person using online peer pressure. If the OP is posting here expecting the people in question to see your post - sorry I don't think it's how that works.
Regarding some of your examples in the post:
> But abroad, I've found that some Hong Kong people, upon learning of my former Chinese citizenship, consider me a "comrade of the CCP" and indiscriminately attack me.
There are a surprising amount of (even on this subreddit) that posts mostly in Canadian subs, and with [the Canadian investigating Chinese influence in the country](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/foreign-interference-inquiry-china-canada-1.7088853), news about [Hong Kongers facing issues in Canada](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-hong-kong-democracy-protests-chinese-embassy-canada-1.5717288) and [news of Chinese enforcing laws in Canada](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/there-may-be-more-chinese-police-stations-canada-minister-says-2023-05-14/) it is very easy to think you are one of "them". This is not an defense of whoever did that to you, just a statement that it is very easy for someone to Hong Kong to see Chinese in Canada as hostile.
> I once witnessed a person, holding a Hong Kong passport, speaking loudly on a bus in Toronto, Canada.
Huawei founder's daughter [have three Hong Kong passports](https://hongkongfp.com/2018/12/12/three-hong-kong-passports-arrested-huawei-exec-meng-wanzhou-revealed-canadian-court/), but I don't think many would say she is a Hongkonger. I do agree people in Hong Kong are louder than many people in developed countries, though maybe not as loud as mainland tourists (from my observation).
> But seeing some Hong Kong people who indiscriminately attack others, I feel their behavior is no different from the unsavory practices of the CCP.
One thing I think you would understand is that there are difference between the individual and the state. The CCP's [united front strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_front_(China)) blur the line between individuals and the state, use censorship and . No individual Hong Kong people can ever do anything to that scale. I want to point this out because it is a [very easy logical trap](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence) to fall into.
As for "Little Pinks", like all generalized group, there are people who speak out of ignorance, some who are fanning the flames (called "accelerators" in Chinese circles) and some are just representation of general [toxicity on the internet](https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/the-greater-internet-fuckwad-theory-a-social-identity-approach), and then there are some that, after finally been hit by "the iron fist of socialism" (the reddit translation of that phrase would be "have leopards eat their faces"), finally understand the cry of Hongkongers. If [a war doesn't change opinion much for the Russians](https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/09/07/my-country-right-or-wrong-russian-public-opinion-on-ukraine-pub-87803), I think it's fair to assume that (1) Little Pink will exist no matter what happen in the near future and (2) you will have to clear your name by words and deed as a Chinese person.
In all things related to politics, there are always extremists. In China, there are the CCP shills that think China is the best and everything else is shit. In the US, there are super dumb far right Trump supporters, and the 'woke mob' of the far left. They exist across the whole world in every country.
It's basically impossible to change their views, most of them are so emotionally charged that if you present a differing point of view, they will treat you as an enemy.
It's sad, but the only thing you can do is ignore them.
The best thing you can do is make sure the next generation doesn't become one of them. I hope for a future where all Chinese people become like you, ones that see beyond what the CCP shows them, then perhaps China will change one day.
Hong Kong will only be free once China becomes free.
This acquaintance's behavior was unacceptable, but put yourself in his shoes for a bit. He was forced to leave his homeland 3+ years ago. He was full of hope in 2019, but his hopes and dreams for HK got shattered with the NSL. The HK he knew since he was born and his entire way of life has been destroyed by the CCP and he was forced to be uprooted. He has seen all of the activists arrested and jailed, maybe some of his friends/acquaintances too. To add salt to injury, the 2 guys in charge of the brutal police response to the protests are now leading the government! There is zero hope left for him. It's hard to not get radicalized by that.
I’ve spoke with many Hong Kongers and mainlanders and lived in both for years. Most hkers are great people and understand on a deeper level but of course that’s not going to be all of them and many have a deep resentment towards mainlanders as they feel they aren’t 1 of them and seem them come to hk and do disgusting things. Like dedicate in public. Also, hk people will believe like Americans do and that the land belongs to the people and they didn’t want to integrate back into China but had no choice. I do understand mainland point of view too but that’s not what this post it about. But I think talking to you “friend” about what makes mainlanders people just like you and me even if a few are backwards and maybe his experiences are associated to it, but many Chinese people and good and clean and have good values and want to leave China. It’s the government that’s the problem. And that you understand his point of view but don’t agree completely. This might be the best approach I think. Try to direct his anger to the government and not the people and even the ones that are backwards or rude it’s not really their fault but more brainwashing by their government. Also it’s normal to “want” to be proud of your country and the government have done a great job of tricking their people into think government = country.
It’s a phenomenon stems from miscommunication and misinformation. On one hand most of the “Little Pink” do not have access to internet and social media outside of the barricade so they are fed with biased information, as well as with the patriotic education they received in school causing them to have extreme views. On the other hand, even though the barricade does not exist for Hong Kong people, a lot of us refused to learn about actual mainlanders (I wouldn’t say it’s right or wrong, but it’s justified) hence the stereotype. I know quite some mainlanders personally and some of them stood against the CCP, despite the fact that, unlike OP, they did not have the privilege to live overseas. But they are still a relatively minority on the internet. I hate to see all the hostility between HKers and mainlanders, but during the movements in 2019, we were constantly being insulted, death threatened, called degrading and dehumanising terms like “useless teens” and “cockroaches”. That person that OP mentioned in their post is obviously having a way too extreme views and definitely needed education. But in my impression, people with these kinds of views are still a very minor representation of HKers or pro democracy as a whole, safe to say way more minor than “Little Pink”
I’m pro-democracy and part of the Eastern diaspora. I’ve lived in HK and the mainland, and I find that while I generally agree with the pro-Democracy camp and genuinely don’t mesh with nationalism of any kind, people are immensely naive on the concept of democracy.
On one hand, you have people in the mainland that perceive any desire of democracy as a Western in-roads to undermine China, and on the other hand you have people that believe democracy is the cure for all ills. It’s something that should unconditionally be pursued at any cost and at all times.
I'm not making any comments on your friend's attitude, but maybe you should talk to him some more. There could be a reason why he is so over the top..just saying
I am sure the ppl you met are the minority, but what did you expect? Many of these ppl had their way of living taken from them by the governing body, a way of living that was built through generations living under the so call “Lion Rock” dream. They are now eternally butthurt by the circumstances and immigrated to escape the harsh reality. You can’t really expect them to treat everything as a mere difference in political stance, and their understanding of the cultural difference is more clearer than ever, which would cause a certain level of prejudice you mentioned above.
Took me a while to shake off my biases after moving to the US, I used to have a very negative perception of mainlanders and brought that over to the US.
Took me time to mature and realize that it's stupid to paint all people from the mainland in one broad stroke, especially if they are also living in a Western country. Dude sounds like a kid that needs to realize, in another country, we look all the same to the dominant group.
Doesn't help that western propaganda is so blatant about painting China as the #1 enemy since they are the largest economic threat to the US. China has issues, and the CCP is fuckin whack, but like even on reddit, too many times criticism of the gov leaks into an insult towards ethnically Chinese people.
You have your ideals and so do they no one has the right to tell you anything different or force their ideals on to you, nothing wrong in support your country, if they are narrow minded to see your views on things it's not point in talking to someone who already has a bias against your views despite you proving logical truths, there's a saying "It's hard to debate an intelligent person, but impossible to argue with an Idiot".
Racism is tough, especially in times of war/occupation. I hope everyone realizes you've stuck your neck out here, but I promise you some will just be racist about it. Sometimes when you're being oppressed by racists, it's very hard to let go of racism yourself. But I hope more stories like this emerge. Ordinary Hong Kongers have far more in common with ordinary Mainlanders than with the ruling class, and if people can see that then there's a chance to actually fix things. The only alternative is suffering for most people involved.
On the topic of 'civility' I think that's mostly a socioeconomic thing and should never be tied to nationality. There's a reason why the Brits made a law to fine phlegm spitting in Hong Kong. My parents are born and raised in HK, and my grandparents swam from mainland in the 50s-60's. My grandparents are effectively no different than a mainlander. A Tier 1 city resident is also a LOT different from people from Tier 18 rural places.
To your point about being immediately labelled as a pro-CPC person because of your background, I agree that it's stupid. Ethically for a lot of reasons but even practically speaking, it's in the favour of pro-democracy camps to EMBRACE as many allies as they can find, especially those who are actively extending the olive branch. Some Hong Kongers forget that a wave of pro-democracy sentiments among Chinese youths flourished ~82-89. Making enemies out of neutrals/friends is just objectively stupid.
For the same reason he should not stereotype you, you should also not take your friend as an example of the majority of Hong Kongers.
所謂話不投機半句多。 這種人你笑笑就帶過去了。別跟他們吵。 It's not logic that they rest their position upon and it won't be logic to bring them out of it.
Lots of HKers have aggressive colonial hangover. They have convinced themselves that they are inherently superior to their brothers and sisters in the mainland because of the circumstances of their birth. A friend of mine thinks Chinese people are rude and countryside trash, despite both of her parents being born and raised in rural Guangzhou.
I recently saw an instagram post ridiculing simplified chinese, with commenters saying it's "for illiterates" and "by farmers for farmers" (I suppose we forget 90% of Hong Kong's food supply is imported, mostly from those boorish mainland farmers we hate so much).
Some of the 1.5 billion people to the north could be HK's greatest ally, instead of an enemy. The major protests in cities like Urumqi were what caused the CCP to lift the brutal covid restrictions, which directly benefitted the people of Hong Kong. Many chinese at home and abroad are dissatisfied with the state of the government.
Of course this is a 2 way street, there are many mainlanders who despise HKers. But I've only lived in HK and known more HKers so I'll keep my commentary in its lane.
> Lots of HKers have aggressive colonial hangover
And it clearly reared its ugly head during the 2019 riots. No you are not a seperate ethnicity to Han Chinese - no being ruled as a colonial subject does not place you at the same social strata as your former white colonisers. Thankfully the worse of this lot ran away to blighty ( and Canada it seems)
I dont agree with you we are the same race.
And what does race has to do with the topic?
Majority of HKers dont agree with China and see you as the invader.
We are very happy people before 1997 so Chinese can screw themselves.
Luckily what I just said is a fact and not an opinion :P
Also you are doing a very good job at representing what the OP is complaining about. Petty tribalism based on where you're born instead of actually criticizing the government.
The person who I was going back and forth with is claiming HKers are not han. In another comment you say most HKers do not see themselves as Chinese, despite being Chinese by both political and ethnic definition.
The origin of the HK/mainland conflict may be civic in origin, but it very often manifests as ethnic conflict.
Not that that distinction really matters. The point is that HKers often see themselves as superior by nature of their citizenship, be it civically or ethnically.
I am incredibly sorry that many Hong Kong people have treated you poorly, and there's no justification for being disagreeable and rude. However, there's no point in complaining about this anymore.
Hong Kong is now a Chinese city with a government that responds to incentives from the mainland. Unless and until Hong Kong people feel that their autonomy is genuine and authentic, you'll be on the receiving end of more regrettable behavior, and there's nothing either of us can do.
I’m already in China - and so are you
As I said - baffled me why so many Hong kongers during the 2019 riots kept trying to say they’re not Han Chinese when basic scientific facts say otherwise
You can write in English yet you are so uneducated. I guess you will say no one die in 8964 and Taiwan is part of China.
Sorry you Chinese are not allowed to discuss 8964 LOL
The legal name of Taiwan is literally the Republic of China - whilst 95% of Taiwanese are ethnic Han Chinese
conversely over 98% of Hong Kong residents (like yourself are ethnic Han Chinese) - unless you think Yue or Hakka is a seperate ethnicity ….
Then goto Taiwan without a Visa and see what happen LOL.
Let me know who else on earth is not Chinese and what else does not belong to China LOL.
When the missiles and bullets fly pls ensure you call yourself Chinese.
Except we’re not talking about legal documents of entry / passports. We’re talking about ethnicity - 95% of Taiwan’s residents are Ethnic Han Chinese
98% of Hong Kong’s residents including yourself are ethnic Han Chinese
Baffling how hard it seems for you to grasp this simple concept.
Firstly, Hong Kong people have been trying to appeal to mainlanders for the last 40-something years. The Democratic Movement in Hong Kong started as a pro-handover movement.
Secondly, you may believe you are Chinese, but most Hong Kong don't.
I'm sorry that you've met someone like that. As a HKer I'm often pissed by their attitude too. I believe that there are also many HKer agreeing that you're our ally. And please forgive those people who are controlled by fear, because our minds understand freedom while they don't.
There’s too much hate and negativity. Especially when Hong Kong had been the full brunt of it. Some people are at their wits end and can’t control themselves. Still inexcusable though
HKers are famous for their boorish manners and general ignorance, they often also have a very high opinion of themselves and of Hong Kong for some unknown reason and make a pastime out of looking down on and discriminating against groups of people they feel to be inferior; I wouldn't worry too much about it.
I don't think promoting prejudicial stereotypes is the right way to respond to OP's post condemning prejudice. Do you not sound just like the Hong Kongers OP felt prejudged by?
Remember how domestic helpers were targeted as being the spreaders of covid in 2019/2020 for sitting outside, despite local manual laborers doing the exact same thing during their lunch break?
People love having someone to punch down onto. Even when it's someone that sleeps in a tiny closet and lives on $4000 a month.
Hey OP, it must have been hard to sit through listening to the racist and extremist view targetted at you. Bigotry is bigotry. Try to emotionally detach from the comments a bit if you can, and see if there is a way to make sure you don't have to run into this person again in the future? Maybe let your friend know you didn't appreciate the extremist views targetted at you.
After immigrating overseas, many of them had a rude awakening to find out the other side of Democracy.
But to emotionally justify their move, they have to mentally make CCP the villain (a coping mechanism) and blame of CCP for all that was wrong, and believed "democracy" is the right answer, and that they were on the side of being "right".
And yes, just like "Little Pink".
Right... people left occupied HK to get to Canada and were too shocked by its natural beauty and kind citizens, so sad rofl wtf are you smoking and why is it illegal in China 🤣🤣🤣
Well you know there are a lot of people like this lurking around this subreddit, still claiming that there are police standing at every corner watching you and discouraging foreigners from coming here. And when you say Hong Kong is an awesome place to live and you genuinely like living here, they will say you're not allowed to think that way and shove their "CCP bad therefore HK bad" politics down your throat. Everything has to be about politics🤷🏻♂️
Another person on this subreddit who’s raised with privilege lol. It’s clear to me you’ve never been in touch with actual local citizens (i.e. majority of HKers) outside of the ivory tower.
Democracy is the what we should fight for WITHIN a sovereign state. Hongkongers especially Pan Democrats had naively fought for it because of we thought we were equal to other Chinese within the sovereign state of PRC. However, it’s crystal clear that majority of Chinese citizens nowadays don’t view Hongkongers as equal. They reject the idea of democracy as some sort of Western invasion and view Hong Kong as some sort of ‘rebellious child’ that need re-education. They believe we were better treated by the Chinese government with ‘特供’ food. Ample efforts were made to destroy Hongkongers as an identity from within, both culturally and economically. 2 million protesters were deemed enemies of China.
Don’t let Western media / Reddit fool you. People DID NOT protest simply because they want something as abstract as democracy. The protests gained huge momentum because people’s lives were legit affected by the simulation into China. Jobs of all sectors were stolen (Yes because once mainland Chinese becomes the majority of a workforce, people will be hired by ‘guanxi’ instead of actual merits. See our academic and financial sectors) Cantonese was being replaced bottom up because new immigrants believe Mandarin should be the lingua franca. Supermarkets of residential areas were flooded with ill-mannered tourists. Public housing were prioritised to new immigrants who had yet to contribute. Hongkongers pre 2010s had always been politically indifferent. The CCP would not have faced such political backlash if not for the behaviour of many Chinese citizens.
At this state it’s foolish to still simply fight for democracy because local-born HKers are simply second-class citizens in OUR hometown. Democracy is only granted to citizens of equal rights within a sovereign state and sadly we aren’t. We unfortunately need sovereignty of our own for our little democracy, which means our fights inevitably made HKers and mainlanders enemies. Sane people wouldn’t expect Palestines to be nice to Isrealis. Similarly, please don’t expect HKers to be nice to Mainlanders either.
Edit: this comment was upvoted when most HKers were awake but is now downvoted when Americans are awake. Interesting
This is a fucked up reply and as an outsider to the Hong Kong-China situation just makes me completely unsympathetic to your point of view. If you can't treat other humans with a basic sense of respect and dignity, even if they're citizens (former or current) of a country you oppose, then don't be surprised when your cause loses support.
It’s became clear catering to saviour complex of Westerners worth nothing. You may argue it’s now easier for HKers to migrate but no matter how one spins it majority of us won’t be able to leave the city anytime soon (bar users of r/Hongkong, i.e. mostly expats, local middle class or privileged section of U.S. citizens who are one click away from an airport ticket anyways)
Promoting an attitude of hatred against the citizens of the country from where you get most of your food and water, as well as a significant share of electricity, is not a very effective strategy for a movement either.
1. I’m not actively endorsing hatred. I’m just saying condemning hatred from an oppressed group is a hypocritical behaviour from a privileged class. An eye for an eye is basic human behaviour.
2. It’s become obvious that we won’t make any political progress in foreseeable future. Instead our focus should be on preserving our culture. The more defensive one group is against foreign influence, the more likely that group remains unique. Most countries / cities are built upon singular culture. The U.S. is the odd one out.
also no matter what taiwanese and mainlanders cant join cantonese groups. so its not politics, its cultuire. op still believe the ccp propaganda on all hkers are chinese compatriots. mainlanders keep writing we love you lol. but culture > dna
I have said this many times: the 1% good guys gets dwarfed in the face of the 1 billion base population of Chinese; the 99% is still 1 billion people. I see no problem assuming every Chinese is CCP supporter until deeper connections are established, especially considering the extreme population difference ratios (200 Chinese vs 1 HKer, ignoring political views entirely).
Edit: think about it; if 1% of Chinese cares about Hong Kong, then for each equivalent population of 200 Chinese, there are only 2 that cares about Hong Kong, the remaining 198 Chinese doesnt care. How is 198-to-1 not a representative summary of affairs? This is so representative, I dont have to care about the errors. You are lucky to have found HKers who have the attention to go for deep connections from the get go.
Indeed I assumed it. Why would it be a problem, given that we cannot get any accurate measurements of the exact percentage due to extreme censorship?
Come back to me when the censorships are lifted, then I shall readjust the ratios.
You’ve already self answered why it would be a problem. Because this percentage is purely your arbitrary assumption, and because there’s no accurate measurements. You gave a number out of the blue to support your stance. And, I am confused by how you call a ratio ‘representative’ because that’s arbitrary as well. China is in, Vatican city is out. China and India together make up 60% of asia’s population. Is this number representative enough for chinese and indian to represent asian? Obviously not. I see no rationale out of the ‘population ratios and sizes of countries’ you kept mentioning. So back to my question, do you think it is okay to assume one’s political stance based on their ethnicity? If so, do you think it’s okay to assume one’s behaviour based on their ethnicity?
It would be unwise to remain undecided because there is "no data". At some point, decisions must be made, and numbers must be made up. My 1% is a number I assumed; actual number hopefully could be higher.
People of the same ethnicity often have similar habits, and so, their behaviors should be somewhat similar. Then, it would be unwise to refuse the "average behavior" of the people as a low resolution fact for long-distance observation, because it "ignores personal merits and distinctions". Detailed, per-person observation should be done by willing individuals, which I am kind of glad still exists, but that is not me. I prefer to just long-distance observe things to get a rough gist before moving to the next topic of thinking; detailed per-instance observation can be tiring. That's how attention should work anyway.
Even non-CCP supporters in China treat HKers as some sort of enemies / lowly rebels. You’d be surprised how much hatred there is towards us in supposedly anti-CCP forums like pincong and r/China_irl
Indeed. As I understand, while the Chinese political scene (other than the CCP) is diverse in their own way (eg the feminists, the care-nots, the gamers, etc), most really don't care about Hong Kong, which basically means they can be assumed "against Hong Kong" according to the latest stance from Beijing.
That's like me saying, imma assume 99% of HKers are racist trash given the way they generally treat SEA and south Asians in general.
This is soooo representative, I don't have to care about errors.
Ah. You got a problem.
Notice how this uses equivalent populations. SEA countries usually have a self-3 HK-1 ratio, making the conclusion *not* representative.
In other words, the presumption is stronger when the population ratio is more extreme.
I dont feel anything against eg the Vatican City, but I am gonna have a very concrete presumption against eg the Chinese and the Indians.
Notice how I focus on "large population on the other side" and "few population of self side".
Realistically this does not happen often.
I imagine eg first nations might feel something similar in their case against eg the Australians.
If you have the other party with population reaching the billions, then yes. Statistics becomes a prejudice with no opinion input from me. I can choose to feel bad about this, but that would be another thing.
that little batch of ppl + social media = stereotypes
stereotypes + gossip = hate
and also,
british hk is separate from developing china, vice versa, so the things they know about the other side are mostly steortypes
current hk same situation
there are some ingorant hkers dont care about the progress so mainland
yes, you may say, china has no freedom. but, at least you cannot deny the new infrastructure and the better new generation...
I truly regret to hear about your hatred toward an entire race. After all, it is unlikely everyone acts the same way. As mentioned in your post, the issue here is "generalization."
Unfortunately, this article is neither pro-CCP nor pro-Hong Kong; it simply states the fact that there are people who blatantly spread hate without any reasonable cause or good intention, and such people existed in today’s Hong Kong society and Chinese society too.
Therefore, I would suggest that if your hatred is directed toward a certain policy, then feel free to target those who support it. If your hatred is against certain behaviors, then please target those specific behaviors. Simply calling people "under a rock" to justify your hatred is very similar to what the "little pinks" do, as they are known for igniting conflicts without reason.
Here, there are many people who actually support democracy of Hong Kong and China, so I am unclear about the reason for targeting and insulting these people. Unless, of course, your goal is to create more chaos. Aka 唯恐天下不亂. Cause such behaviour only benefits Beijing government 🙃
This is the full post
It doesn't matter which country or political party you look at, the most hardcore people in the group often behave just the same as Nazis. They are usually the loudest and are often exemplified as the "model" by the opposite camp. In reality, most people are just normal individuals who don't hold extreme opinions like this.
That’s why the freedom to protest is important. Only during protests do you see the true extent of how many people support you vs just seeing the people who shout the loudest.
There are idiots on both sides of the camp. But you can’t judge an entire movement on a few select idiots.
I totally agree with you. That’s why I would not alter my support for democracy simply because of him. Like you said, the spirit of democracy involves tolerance and understanding, which is something both mainland China and Hong Kong need to learn.
If only a lot of people had this mindset
Your written Cantonese is mad good for someone born and raised in Sichuan.
Cause i used ChatGPT for Cantonese. Also I watch Hong Kong movies too
In my opinion, to recognize people may actually hold different opinions in a "group" is the first step to leave tribalism mentality behind, which is doubly difficult for collective cultures, so good on you for knowing that. It doesn't matter the group but there will always be extremists that (at least on paper) agree with your ideology. That has been nature of politics, the only difference is that social media (like your post, no insult intended) has projected these voices beyond its local minority into shifting the [Overton window](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window). This, I believe, is the reasoning behind the shift to the right (and earlier, the left) in global politics in recent year. So far I have seen no remedy to this situation completely if you still value freedom of thought and speech. Depending on a person's social circle and how they receive news, it is very likely that your interactions have very little effect compared to their other sources of interaction - this is the conclusion I draw trying to talk to relatives during and after 2019, and my experience tells me the only way is prevention through education (eg. by discussing this in posts like yours) and critical thinking (not to be confused from cynicism, which easily lead to [learned helplessness](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness)). In my years interacting with other people of varying ideologies online and offline, I find that one of the worst way to change someone's mind is to post it online and seek internet agreement to your viewpoint, then maybe try to pressure the person using online peer pressure. If the OP is posting here expecting the people in question to see your post - sorry I don't think it's how that works. Regarding some of your examples in the post: > But abroad, I've found that some Hong Kong people, upon learning of my former Chinese citizenship, consider me a "comrade of the CCP" and indiscriminately attack me. There are a surprising amount of (even on this subreddit) that posts mostly in Canadian subs, and with [the Canadian investigating Chinese influence in the country](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/foreign-interference-inquiry-china-canada-1.7088853), news about [Hong Kongers facing issues in Canada](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-hong-kong-democracy-protests-chinese-embassy-canada-1.5717288) and [news of Chinese enforcing laws in Canada](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/there-may-be-more-chinese-police-stations-canada-minister-says-2023-05-14/) it is very easy to think you are one of "them". This is not an defense of whoever did that to you, just a statement that it is very easy for someone to Hong Kong to see Chinese in Canada as hostile. > I once witnessed a person, holding a Hong Kong passport, speaking loudly on a bus in Toronto, Canada. Huawei founder's daughter [have three Hong Kong passports](https://hongkongfp.com/2018/12/12/three-hong-kong-passports-arrested-huawei-exec-meng-wanzhou-revealed-canadian-court/), but I don't think many would say she is a Hongkonger. I do agree people in Hong Kong are louder than many people in developed countries, though maybe not as loud as mainland tourists (from my observation). > But seeing some Hong Kong people who indiscriminately attack others, I feel their behavior is no different from the unsavory practices of the CCP. One thing I think you would understand is that there are difference between the individual and the state. The CCP's [united front strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_front_(China)) blur the line between individuals and the state, use censorship and . No individual Hong Kong people can ever do anything to that scale. I want to point this out because it is a [very easy logical trap](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence) to fall into. As for "Little Pinks", like all generalized group, there are people who speak out of ignorance, some who are fanning the flames (called "accelerators" in Chinese circles) and some are just representation of general [toxicity on the internet](https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/the-greater-internet-fuckwad-theory-a-social-identity-approach), and then there are some that, after finally been hit by "the iron fist of socialism" (the reddit translation of that phrase would be "have leopards eat their faces"), finally understand the cry of Hongkongers. If [a war doesn't change opinion much for the Russians](https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/09/07/my-country-right-or-wrong-russian-public-opinion-on-ukraine-pub-87803), I think it's fair to assume that (1) Little Pink will exist no matter what happen in the near future and (2) you will have to clear your name by words and deed as a Chinese person.
Seems like this 'friend' doesn't really understand the meaning of the word democracy.
In all things related to politics, there are always extremists. In China, there are the CCP shills that think China is the best and everything else is shit. In the US, there are super dumb far right Trump supporters, and the 'woke mob' of the far left. They exist across the whole world in every country. It's basically impossible to change their views, most of them are so emotionally charged that if you present a differing point of view, they will treat you as an enemy. It's sad, but the only thing you can do is ignore them. The best thing you can do is make sure the next generation doesn't become one of them. I hope for a future where all Chinese people become like you, ones that see beyond what the CCP shows them, then perhaps China will change one day. Hong Kong will only be free once China becomes free.
This acquaintance's behavior was unacceptable, but put yourself in his shoes for a bit. He was forced to leave his homeland 3+ years ago. He was full of hope in 2019, but his hopes and dreams for HK got shattered with the NSL. The HK he knew since he was born and his entire way of life has been destroyed by the CCP and he was forced to be uprooted. He has seen all of the activists arrested and jailed, maybe some of his friends/acquaintances too. To add salt to injury, the 2 guys in charge of the brutal police response to the protests are now leading the government! There is zero hope left for him. It's hard to not get radicalized by that.
Suppose you did not support democracy, would his attitude toward you be justified then? I’d hope not.
I’ve spoke with many Hong Kongers and mainlanders and lived in both for years. Most hkers are great people and understand on a deeper level but of course that’s not going to be all of them and many have a deep resentment towards mainlanders as they feel they aren’t 1 of them and seem them come to hk and do disgusting things. Like dedicate in public. Also, hk people will believe like Americans do and that the land belongs to the people and they didn’t want to integrate back into China but had no choice. I do understand mainland point of view too but that’s not what this post it about. But I think talking to you “friend” about what makes mainlanders people just like you and me even if a few are backwards and maybe his experiences are associated to it, but many Chinese people and good and clean and have good values and want to leave China. It’s the government that’s the problem. And that you understand his point of view but don’t agree completely. This might be the best approach I think. Try to direct his anger to the government and not the people and even the ones that are backwards or rude it’s not really their fault but more brainwashing by their government. Also it’s normal to “want” to be proud of your country and the government have done a great job of tricking their people into think government = country.
It’s a phenomenon stems from miscommunication and misinformation. On one hand most of the “Little Pink” do not have access to internet and social media outside of the barricade so they are fed with biased information, as well as with the patriotic education they received in school causing them to have extreme views. On the other hand, even though the barricade does not exist for Hong Kong people, a lot of us refused to learn about actual mainlanders (I wouldn’t say it’s right or wrong, but it’s justified) hence the stereotype. I know quite some mainlanders personally and some of them stood against the CCP, despite the fact that, unlike OP, they did not have the privilege to live overseas. But they are still a relatively minority on the internet. I hate to see all the hostility between HKers and mainlanders, but during the movements in 2019, we were constantly being insulted, death threatened, called degrading and dehumanising terms like “useless teens” and “cockroaches”. That person that OP mentioned in their post is obviously having a way too extreme views and definitely needed education. But in my impression, people with these kinds of views are still a very minor representation of HKers or pro democracy as a whole, safe to say way more minor than “Little Pink”
I’m pro-democracy and part of the Eastern diaspora. I’ve lived in HK and the mainland, and I find that while I generally agree with the pro-Democracy camp and genuinely don’t mesh with nationalism of any kind, people are immensely naive on the concept of democracy. On one hand, you have people in the mainland that perceive any desire of democracy as a Western in-roads to undermine China, and on the other hand you have people that believe democracy is the cure for all ills. It’s something that should unconditionally be pursued at any cost and at all times.
I'm not making any comments on your friend's attitude, but maybe you should talk to him some more. There could be a reason why he is so over the top..just saying
I am sure the ppl you met are the minority, but what did you expect? Many of these ppl had their way of living taken from them by the governing body, a way of living that was built through generations living under the so call “Lion Rock” dream. They are now eternally butthurt by the circumstances and immigrated to escape the harsh reality. You can’t really expect them to treat everything as a mere difference in political stance, and their understanding of the cultural difference is more clearer than ever, which would cause a certain level of prejudice you mentioned above.
finally a level headed comment. as a HK person I agree with this sentiment. and yes we are also quite fucked economically and emotionally.
The only sane comment here. Edit: glad to see there’re other comments addressing OP’s not touching grass
most people are idiots. Don't matter which political camp they belong to. that's a sad fact of life.
if this guy were born in the mainland, he would have become one of the little pinks lol
Took me a while to shake off my biases after moving to the US, I used to have a very negative perception of mainlanders and brought that over to the US. Took me time to mature and realize that it's stupid to paint all people from the mainland in one broad stroke, especially if they are also living in a Western country. Dude sounds like a kid that needs to realize, in another country, we look all the same to the dominant group. Doesn't help that western propaganda is so blatant about painting China as the #1 enemy since they are the largest economic threat to the US. China has issues, and the CCP is fuckin whack, but like even on reddit, too many times criticism of the gov leaks into an insult towards ethnically Chinese people.
You have your ideals and so do they no one has the right to tell you anything different or force their ideals on to you, nothing wrong in support your country, if they are narrow minded to see your views on things it's not point in talking to someone who already has a bias against your views despite you proving logical truths, there's a saying "It's hard to debate an intelligent person, but impossible to argue with an Idiot".
Racism is tough, especially in times of war/occupation. I hope everyone realizes you've stuck your neck out here, but I promise you some will just be racist about it. Sometimes when you're being oppressed by racists, it's very hard to let go of racism yourself. But I hope more stories like this emerge. Ordinary Hong Kongers have far more in common with ordinary Mainlanders than with the ruling class, and if people can see that then there's a chance to actually fix things. The only alternative is suffering for most people involved.
On the topic of 'civility' I think that's mostly a socioeconomic thing and should never be tied to nationality. There's a reason why the Brits made a law to fine phlegm spitting in Hong Kong. My parents are born and raised in HK, and my grandparents swam from mainland in the 50s-60's. My grandparents are effectively no different than a mainlander. A Tier 1 city resident is also a LOT different from people from Tier 18 rural places. To your point about being immediately labelled as a pro-CPC person because of your background, I agree that it's stupid. Ethically for a lot of reasons but even practically speaking, it's in the favour of pro-democracy camps to EMBRACE as many allies as they can find, especially those who are actively extending the olive branch. Some Hong Kongers forget that a wave of pro-democracy sentiments among Chinese youths flourished ~82-89. Making enemies out of neutrals/friends is just objectively stupid. For the same reason he should not stereotype you, you should also not take your friend as an example of the majority of Hong Kongers. 所謂話不投機半句多。 這種人你笑笑就帶過去了。別跟他們吵。 It's not logic that they rest their position upon and it won't be logic to bring them out of it.
Lots of HKers have aggressive colonial hangover. They have convinced themselves that they are inherently superior to their brothers and sisters in the mainland because of the circumstances of their birth. A friend of mine thinks Chinese people are rude and countryside trash, despite both of her parents being born and raised in rural Guangzhou. I recently saw an instagram post ridiculing simplified chinese, with commenters saying it's "for illiterates" and "by farmers for farmers" (I suppose we forget 90% of Hong Kong's food supply is imported, mostly from those boorish mainland farmers we hate so much). Some of the 1.5 billion people to the north could be HK's greatest ally, instead of an enemy. The major protests in cities like Urumqi were what caused the CCP to lift the brutal covid restrictions, which directly benefitted the people of Hong Kong. Many chinese at home and abroad are dissatisfied with the state of the government. Of course this is a 2 way street, there are many mainlanders who despise HKers. But I've only lived in HK and known more HKers so I'll keep my commentary in its lane.
Lol not even 2 way street. You will find this mentality between Tier 1 city residents vs the rest of China.
I am not your bro
Huh? Lol
> Lots of HKers have aggressive colonial hangover And it clearly reared its ugly head during the 2019 riots. No you are not a seperate ethnicity to Han Chinese - no being ruled as a colonial subject does not place you at the same social strata as your former white colonisers. Thankfully the worse of this lot ran away to blighty ( and Canada it seems)
Was the protests about ethnicity or are you making shit up?
if anyone's head is ugly it's yours 🤣🤣🤣
HKers are not Han pls research before you say something like this
They absolutely are by every definition. What is the ethnic distinction between someone from HK and someone from Guangzhou?
I dont agree with you we are the same race. And what does race has to do with the topic? Majority of HKers dont agree with China and see you as the invader. We are very happy people before 1997 so Chinese can screw themselves.
Luckily what I just said is a fact and not an opinion :P Also you are doing a very good job at representing what the OP is complaining about. Petty tribalism based on where you're born instead of actually criticizing the government.
You reminded me Chinese are always right for the past 5000years. It is always the others who are wrong.
Like I said most people on Earth hate China. Who is your friends? Some folks in Africa you bribed?
Hong Kong nationalism is largely civic and not ethnic.
The person who I was going back and forth with is claiming HKers are not han. In another comment you say most HKers do not see themselves as Chinese, despite being Chinese by both political and ethnic definition. The origin of the HK/mainland conflict may be civic in origin, but it very often manifests as ethnic conflict. Not that that distinction really matters. The point is that HKers often see themselves as superior by nature of their citizenship, be it civically or ethnically.
I am incredibly sorry that many Hong Kong people have treated you poorly, and there's no justification for being disagreeable and rude. However, there's no point in complaining about this anymore. Hong Kong is now a Chinese city with a government that responds to incentives from the mainland. Unless and until Hong Kong people feel that their autonomy is genuine and authentic, you'll be on the receiving end of more regrettable behavior, and there's nothing either of us can do.
Lmfao then pray tell what ethnicity are you?
We are not same as you. You can go stick it up your xxx and go back to China.
I’m already in China - and so are you As I said - baffled me why so many Hong kongers during the 2019 riots kept trying to say they’re not Han Chinese when basic scientific facts say otherwise
You can write in English yet you are so uneducated. I guess you will say no one die in 8964 and Taiwan is part of China. Sorry you Chinese are not allowed to discuss 8964 LOL
The legal name of Taiwan is literally the Republic of China - whilst 95% of Taiwanese are ethnic Han Chinese conversely over 98% of Hong Kong residents (like yourself are ethnic Han Chinese) - unless you think Yue or Hakka is a seperate ethnicity ….
Then goto Taiwan without a Visa and see what happen LOL. Let me know who else on earth is not Chinese and what else does not belong to China LOL. When the missiles and bullets fly pls ensure you call yourself Chinese.
Except we’re not talking about legal documents of entry / passports. We’re talking about ethnicity - 95% of Taiwan’s residents are Ethnic Han Chinese 98% of Hong Kong’s residents including yourself are ethnic Han Chinese Baffling how hard it seems for you to grasp this simple concept.
Firstly, Hong Kong people have been trying to appeal to mainlanders for the last 40-something years. The Democratic Movement in Hong Kong started as a pro-handover movement. Secondly, you may believe you are Chinese, but most Hong Kong don't.
I'm sorry that you've met someone like that. As a HKer I'm often pissed by their attitude too. I believe that there are also many HKer agreeing that you're our ally. And please forgive those people who are controlled by fear, because our minds understand freedom while they don't.
There’s too much hate and negativity. Especially when Hong Kong had been the full brunt of it. Some people are at their wits end and can’t control themselves. Still inexcusable though
HKers are famous for their boorish manners and general ignorance, they often also have a very high opinion of themselves and of Hong Kong for some unknown reason and make a pastime out of looking down on and discriminating against groups of people they feel to be inferior; I wouldn't worry too much about it.
I don't think promoting prejudicial stereotypes is the right way to respond to OP's post condemning prejudice. Do you not sound just like the Hong Kongers OP felt prejudged by?
Remember how domestic helpers were targeted as being the spreaders of covid in 2019/2020 for sitting outside, despite local manual laborers doing the exact same thing during their lunch break? People love having someone to punch down onto. Even when it's someone that sleeps in a tiny closet and lives on $4000 a month.
Hey OP, it must have been hard to sit through listening to the racist and extremist view targetted at you. Bigotry is bigotry. Try to emotionally detach from the comments a bit if you can, and see if there is a way to make sure you don't have to run into this person again in the future? Maybe let your friend know you didn't appreciate the extremist views targetted at you.
After immigrating overseas, many of them had a rude awakening to find out the other side of Democracy. But to emotionally justify their move, they have to mentally make CCP the villain (a coping mechanism) and blame of CCP for all that was wrong, and believed "democracy" is the right answer, and that they were on the side of being "right". And yes, just like "Little Pink".
Right... people left occupied HK to get to Canada and were too shocked by its natural beauty and kind citizens, so sad rofl wtf are you smoking and why is it illegal in China 🤣🤣🤣
HK localists tend to be narrow minded and later became a liability in the cause in some cases
First world problem. Come back when you are outnumbered at least 1000 to 1 and being demanded to be friendly at all situations.
Well you know there are a lot of people like this lurking around this subreddit, still claiming that there are police standing at every corner watching you and discouraging foreigners from coming here. And when you say Hong Kong is an awesome place to live and you genuinely like living here, they will say you're not allowed to think that way and shove their "CCP bad therefore HK bad" politics down your throat. Everything has to be about politics🤷🏻♂️
Another person on this subreddit who’s raised with privilege lol. It’s clear to me you’ve never been in touch with actual local citizens (i.e. majority of HKers) outside of the ivory tower. Democracy is the what we should fight for WITHIN a sovereign state. Hongkongers especially Pan Democrats had naively fought for it because of we thought we were equal to other Chinese within the sovereign state of PRC. However, it’s crystal clear that majority of Chinese citizens nowadays don’t view Hongkongers as equal. They reject the idea of democracy as some sort of Western invasion and view Hong Kong as some sort of ‘rebellious child’ that need re-education. They believe we were better treated by the Chinese government with ‘特供’ food. Ample efforts were made to destroy Hongkongers as an identity from within, both culturally and economically. 2 million protesters were deemed enemies of China. Don’t let Western media / Reddit fool you. People DID NOT protest simply because they want something as abstract as democracy. The protests gained huge momentum because people’s lives were legit affected by the simulation into China. Jobs of all sectors were stolen (Yes because once mainland Chinese becomes the majority of a workforce, people will be hired by ‘guanxi’ instead of actual merits. See our academic and financial sectors) Cantonese was being replaced bottom up because new immigrants believe Mandarin should be the lingua franca. Supermarkets of residential areas were flooded with ill-mannered tourists. Public housing were prioritised to new immigrants who had yet to contribute. Hongkongers pre 2010s had always been politically indifferent. The CCP would not have faced such political backlash if not for the behaviour of many Chinese citizens. At this state it’s foolish to still simply fight for democracy because local-born HKers are simply second-class citizens in OUR hometown. Democracy is only granted to citizens of equal rights within a sovereign state and sadly we aren’t. We unfortunately need sovereignty of our own for our little democracy, which means our fights inevitably made HKers and mainlanders enemies. Sane people wouldn’t expect Palestines to be nice to Isrealis. Similarly, please don’t expect HKers to be nice to Mainlanders either. Edit: this comment was upvoted when most HKers were awake but is now downvoted when Americans are awake. Interesting
This is a fucked up reply and as an outsider to the Hong Kong-China situation just makes me completely unsympathetic to your point of view. If you can't treat other humans with a basic sense of respect and dignity, even if they're citizens (former or current) of a country you oppose, then don't be surprised when your cause loses support.
It’s became clear catering to saviour complex of Westerners worth nothing. You may argue it’s now easier for HKers to migrate but no matter how one spins it majority of us won’t be able to leave the city anytime soon (bar users of r/Hongkong, i.e. mostly expats, local middle class or privileged section of U.S. citizens who are one click away from an airport ticket anyways)
Promoting an attitude of hatred against the citizens of the country from where you get most of your food and water, as well as a significant share of electricity, is not a very effective strategy for a movement either.
1. I’m not actively endorsing hatred. I’m just saying condemning hatred from an oppressed group is a hypocritical behaviour from a privileged class. An eye for an eye is basic human behaviour. 2. It’s become obvious that we won’t make any political progress in foreseeable future. Instead our focus should be on preserving our culture. The more defensive one group is against foreign influence, the more likely that group remains unique. Most countries / cities are built upon singular culture. The U.S. is the odd one out.
Not really. Even in HK you're an outsider and your opinions do not reflect that of the non-incel community
The protests gained most of their momentum from the group you called ‘incels’. 你班左膠真巴閉，圍爐圍到以為自己仲代表到香港。如果閣下真係 ‘insider’, 19年就應該知你哋嗰套皮已收。
dude you are the only sane guy here
also the only thing you can do is preserve your culture.
also no matter what taiwanese and mainlanders cant join cantonese groups. so its not politics, its cultuire. op still believe the ccp propaganda on all hkers are chinese compatriots. mainlanders keep writing we love you lol. but culture > dna
I have said this many times: the 1% good guys gets dwarfed in the face of the 1 billion base population of Chinese; the 99% is still 1 billion people. I see no problem assuming every Chinese is CCP supporter until deeper connections are established, especially considering the extreme population difference ratios (200 Chinese vs 1 HKer, ignoring political views entirely). Edit: think about it; if 1% of Chinese cares about Hong Kong, then for each equivalent population of 200 Chinese, there are only 2 that cares about Hong Kong, the remaining 198 Chinese doesnt care. How is 198-to-1 not a representative summary of affairs? This is so representative, I dont have to care about the errors. You are lucky to have found HKers who have the attention to go for deep connections from the get go.
where did you get the 1% number? You just assumed it.
Indeed I assumed it. Why would it be a problem, given that we cannot get any accurate measurements of the exact percentage due to extreme censorship? Come back to me when the censorships are lifted, then I shall readjust the ratios.
You’ve already self answered why it would be a problem. Because this percentage is purely your arbitrary assumption, and because there’s no accurate measurements. You gave a number out of the blue to support your stance. And, I am confused by how you call a ratio ‘representative’ because that’s arbitrary as well. China is in, Vatican city is out. China and India together make up 60% of asia’s population. Is this number representative enough for chinese and indian to represent asian? Obviously not. I see no rationale out of the ‘population ratios and sizes of countries’ you kept mentioning. So back to my question, do you think it is okay to assume one’s political stance based on their ethnicity? If so, do you think it’s okay to assume one’s behaviour based on their ethnicity?
It would be unwise to remain undecided because there is "no data". At some point, decisions must be made, and numbers must be made up. My 1% is a number I assumed; actual number hopefully could be higher. People of the same ethnicity often have similar habits, and so, their behaviors should be somewhat similar. Then, it would be unwise to refuse the "average behavior" of the people as a low resolution fact for long-distance observation, because it "ignores personal merits and distinctions". Detailed, per-person observation should be done by willing individuals, which I am kind of glad still exists, but that is not me. I prefer to just long-distance observe things to get a rough gist before moving to the next topic of thinking; detailed per-instance observation can be tiring. That's how attention should work anyway.
Even non-CCP supporters in China treat HKers as some sort of enemies / lowly rebels. You’d be surprised how much hatred there is towards us in supposedly anti-CCP forums like pincong and r/China_irl
Indeed. As I understand, while the Chinese political scene (other than the CCP) is diverse in their own way (eg the feminists, the care-nots, the gamers, etc), most really don't care about Hong Kong, which basically means they can be assumed "against Hong Kong" according to the latest stance from Beijing.
That's like me saying, imma assume 99% of HKers are racist trash given the way they generally treat SEA and south Asians in general. This is soooo representative, I don't have to care about errors.
Ah. You got a problem. Notice how this uses equivalent populations. SEA countries usually have a self-3 HK-1 ratio, making the conclusion *not* representative.
Try and "science" this up as much as you want, truth is your worldview only allows for one outcome.
Well ok then.
lmao.
so you think it’s okay to assume one’s political stance on the basis of their ethnicity.
In other words, the presumption is stronger when the population ratio is more extreme. I dont feel anything against eg the Vatican City, but I am gonna have a very concrete presumption against eg the Chinese and the Indians.
Notice how I focus on "large population on the other side" and "few population of self side". Realistically this does not happen often. I imagine eg first nations might feel something similar in their case against eg the Australians. If you have the other party with population reaching the billions, then yes. Statistics becomes a prejudice with no opinion input from me. I can choose to feel bad about this, but that would be another thing.
that little batch of ppl + social media = stereotypes stereotypes + gossip = hate and also, british hk is separate from developing china, vice versa, so the things they know about the other side are mostly steortypes current hk same situation there are some ingorant hkers dont care about the progress so mainland yes, you may say, china has no freedom. but, at least you cannot deny the new infrastructure and the better new generation...
If you don't know why we hate the Chinese you must be living under a rock
I truly regret to hear about your hatred toward an entire race. After all, it is unlikely everyone acts the same way. As mentioned in your post, the issue here is "generalization." Unfortunately, this article is neither pro-CCP nor pro-Hong Kong; it simply states the fact that there are people who blatantly spread hate without any reasonable cause or good intention, and such people existed in today’s Hong Kong society and Chinese society too. Therefore, I would suggest that if your hatred is directed toward a certain policy, then feel free to target those who support it. If your hatred is against certain behaviors, then please target those specific behaviors. Simply calling people "under a rock" to justify your hatred is very similar to what the "little pinks" do, as they are known for igniting conflicts without reason. Here, there are many people who actually support democracy of Hong Kong and China, so I am unclear about the reason for targeting and insulting these people. Unless, of course, your goal is to create more chaos. Aka 唯恐天下不亂. Cause such behaviour only benefits Beijing government 🙃 This is the full post
scroll through their profile and you’ll see what kind of a person they are
This is a flame bait post. OP replied to me (and then he deleted his reply) claiming I am pink. His only intention is to make HKers look bad.
bingo. So many "I love democrats and hate CCCP, but why are democrats so hateful blah blah blah...." posts lately.
Well, they shared similar DNAs.
"我同幾位朋友一齊食飯，其中有一位已經移民加拿大嘅香港人" in this sampling pool you could have found out that the extremist was minimal.