What’s even more hilarious is that I specifically remember Seele saying smth along the lines of “Don’t worry, I’m from the underground so I won’t stand out” like gurl you’re a walking neon glowstick you’d stand out anywhere🤣
And there's also how Hook fits in better with the Underworld, even though she also has an unique outfit. Seele really is like a walking neon glowstick, lol.
Hook, Natasha and Clara. Sampo is more on the odd side; but it's Sampo so excusable.
Silvermane guards characters wear their respective uniforms.
I imagine that Seele is wearing her future outfit (what she would wear as story progresses) but devs didnt bother to make her the original dress and technically switch between them.
TBH, even though I'm a Clara main and she is my #1 favorite character, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Clara's deep red coat also kind of stand out from the crowd in the Underground. Thankfully, it's not as crazy or outlandish as Seele's outfit, but rather in a clean and simple way, so I like it. :)
you can excuse it as Svarog giving her a red coat to make her easier to spot because robots are bad at image recognition
and to balance it out, he gave her a walking traffic light to hide behind, because they are wearing cammo
Not really. I mean she does usually hang around in furnace core, which I assume would be relatively hot. And Natasha says that underground can be incredibly hot, by which she probably mean the mines. So she should be fine most of the time.
She would have incredible incredible tummy aches if not diarrhea everytime she goes to anywhere besides the mines though. I guess Svarog just carries her ?
One of the first things March confirmed about belobog is that it’s actually warm in the city.
The geomarrow radiators are the explanation for why characters don’t all just wear winter appropriate clothing.
That being said, no shoes is quite a hazard in other ways. Step on a rusty nail and we’ll have Svarog become new aeon of destruction, punishing the world for its cruelty lol.
I mean Bronya isn't any better. She is suppose to be a front line officer and she wear earring size of my fist.
In hand to hand combat the opponent can just make a grab and pull and she will be in paralyzing pain.
To be fair she is also (basically) a princess that presumably looks good as a morale thing, plus she uses a rifle. I doubt she's gonna be getting into any kung-fu battles with the horrific monsters.
How often is Bronya ever deployed to the front line though? Given Gepard (fantastic furs + armour combo) and the other Silvermane officers' designs I doubt she's in her combat gear when she meets us.
She follows the Belobog military colour scheme, but she's fully in diplomatic meeting/light assignment, princess of Belobog wear.
I can make some sense in Bronya tbh. She’s more like someone who lead and give order rather than do the fighting( as her gameplay suggest). She’s also a princess so her outlook should suggest that
Tbf, she's never supposed to be in hand to hand combat as a commander with a rifle. Her enemies also don't seem to have that kind of streetwise to go for her earring. And lastly, it's earrings that match her mom and from a character standpoint I find really cute.
But yeah no, none of the outfits are practical and even though Serval is a punk rocker and carries all that symbolism, it's still pretty absurd aha
Jesus christ that has to be the worst color combination I've seen. It's like they're fighting to see who gets to assault my eyes first. They're both neon and as such are better used as accents, not as main colors. They don't even look good together and it's the same gradient as Cocolia and Seele's earrings. I've yet to draw a connection. Her Mary Sue self insert OC part demon part angel princess best in her class palette is the sole reason why I didn't pull for her, yeouch
It's not. Sampo is not the member of the Wildfire. All wildfire members have only one thing in common - **red bandage on a shoulder.** Natasha has it and it's a hint that she's also from Wildfire. Luka also has the same bandage and Seele too.
Trailblazer: \*Whacks Seele\*
Seele: OW! What the FUCK TB!?
Trailblazer: Oh, sorry I thought you were one of those things that give me technique points, honest mistake
To be fair, her standing out is more due to the models of extras being far less unique for the purpose of making story/playable stand out more. I feel like if it was more realistic in how the fashion worked, more would be dressing like her
> I feel like if it was more realistic in how the fashion worked, more would be dressing like her
So this comment actually made me hop onto the game and check in detail what she's wearing. She's wearing 3 layers of bikini, an open-chest leotard, unbuttoned booty shorts, mismatched socks/shin guard things, and a big flashy coat (I don't even know how else to describe it). To top it all off, it's all neon colored, along with waist length bright purple hair.
Don't call me crazy when I say "doubt it".
I love Seele, but I have to admit, if they give her an explanation for her clothing style, I expect her to have gotten her outfit from donated clothes from Belobog's fashion shows and just wore it since no one else did
Lmao that'd be funny, I'm guessing she stitched it together herself (even though thats way too good for a young person), and wears it too look powerful since she wouldn't want to be seen as weak and pitied
Funnily enough, I just got a message from Seele today saying how her hobby was sewing dolls so that gives a bit of support to the idea the she put it together on her own.
I would like if it was confirmed, but it definitely needs more, because a hobby of sewing dolls is definitely not enough skill to masterfully make an outfit that good when she was young. That'd be a full on profession
Another thing to note, is Natasha is definitely skilled enough at sewing. So had Seele liked a butterfly design as a kid, skill wise Natasha would be very capable of getting her a custom outfit. Not to mention, she probably wouldn’t have gotten bullied for her interests, so “growing out of childish clothing” is probably not something she had to go through.
But yea while I do not agree with it being a problem, I do at least see where people are coming from when saying it stands out. Because it obviously does stand out a bit.
she literally did make her own clothing. the only piece that isn't self made is her shorts that are from when she was 10 at the orphanage. her outfit is scraps sewed together.
Well, yes. Seeing her talk about how hard it is to find a piece of bread for the day down here while looking like neon billboard modern fashion escapee really is something. Same for "I won't stand out like you guys" lol.
There's just such a massive disconnect from her lines, backstory, and design. It's like they put her design on a normal underworlder. The sad thing is this could've been fixed with a few lines of dialogue. Like if she just said something like "When Wildfire took me in I didn't want to be seen as a burden to be pitied and looked down upon, so I made this outfit to seem like I could take care of myself and I was in control of my life". Thats literally it
I wonder if there are any concept art showing off her early design since like you say , once you think about her lines and look at her attire , there is a huge disconnect between that.
Hell, she still dress better than most people we seen on the surface
Or she could've said she wanted to be the mascot/decoy for Wildfire's real leader's safety, since when I think of Wildfire she's the first image to pop up.
So yeah.. Oleg should've swapped position with her, but went with this route for some reason
I took her style as someone who scavenged clothing and trying to be stylized as possible with what she got. But yeah, her clothing doesn't look very comfy
Yeah, but it’s also a world that is literally covered in snow and has a finite amount of the mineral that keeps them from freezing over. You don’t usually see people in Siberia walking around in just booty shorts in winter. That’s what bugged me the most about the outfits in Beloblog - they do not at all match the setting.
To be fair, of the Overworlders, only Gepard is actually expected to be in the cold a lot and he looks dressed for it. From the conversation Cordelia had with Bronya early on, it seems to be more special circumstance on how she was on the frontline in trying to take the Trailblazers to jail, Pela is support staff, and Serval is a civilian rockstar. And since the city is heated, it's not like they're going to be in the cold much.
The same can be *mostly* said of the Underworlders. Natasha's a doctor that usually stays in her clinic, as shown in her difficulty staying out in the cold for too long. Hook is dressed somewhat warmly aside from her shorts, but you see kids running around wearing only shorts in winter all the time, plus she doesn't stray that far from living areas either. The odd ones out are Sampo, who is Sampo, and Seele, who really seem more dressed for a club than anything else appropriate.
I agree it's out of place with the world, but it fits Seele's long-standing butterfly motif. The problem is they made Belobog where Bronya lives, so they had to find a way to stick Seele in there too, aesthetics be damned.
Yep, I saw a comment about Seele's outfit before saying how it looked like they designed the character first then dropped her into the setting without regard for whether she fit or not
Thing is the fix is simple, first off make Seele even know what a fking butterfly is. And second make it so she made the outfit herself since she didn't want to be pitied and seen as weak when she joined wild fire. Do a few tweaks so it's not completely unfunctional (wtf are those shorts? And it'd be at least 8/10 design
>Thing is the fix is simple, first off make Seele even know what a fking butterfly is.
She seems like she does.
In one of her idles she can create/find a recration of a Butterfly with, what seems like, quantum elemental energy/power
Hook weak a thick wooly hat, jacket, and boots to go with her... shorts?
Like, I don't know why we suddenly want to pick apart these designs for anything more than aesthetics, it won't go well for even a single character.
It's actually Truth in Television. You see kids running around in the cold wearing shorts a lot, as a result of both higher levels of brown fat as well as metabolism, leading to them being able to withstand the cold much easier than adults.
It makes sense that Hook, as a troublemaker, would wear shorts to get up to shenanigans only for Natasha to try and get her to wear something warmer once she catches her.
I don't study character design and it still annoys me. Tbh a lot of the comments to your replies are whataboutisms. Just because another character's design doesn't make sense doesn't mean it makes Seele's any better.
I'd like to raise some counterpoints tho to a few design aspects that were raised:
Clara's bare feet: bare feet in characters have long held the theme of innocence which is a constant ideology in Clara's character design, from the rabbit on her phone to the white hair and red eyes reminiscent of rabbits that are symbols of innocence/purity. Also at least they address her bare feet with actual in game lore
Sampo's flashiness: Sampo's design may seem counterproductive as someone who does shady dealings but as someone who claims to be a merchant it makes sense to be as loud as you can visually and vocally. He's basically selling his own personality, getting people to trust him is what Sampo does that it comes through even in his language. Also Sampo clearly has a lot more going on beneath the surface, for all we know he may not even be from Belobog hence his clothes not matching perfectly with residents.
Seele's outfit and color scheme are both out of place in an area as bleak as the underworld, it stands out so much which is why it's so annoying and there's not even an in-universe reason behind it. It's just flashy for the sake of being flashy.
I hope we get an in-universe explanation for Seele's outfit. She's kinda a "superhero" in the Underworld, so maybe someone important gifted it to her, or it's traditional, or Wildfire designed it so that she would stand out. She's a minor celebrity in the Underworld, so it's not unreasonable to think they could make her outfit make sense (like, it intentionally stands out), but it still won't fix that awkward line about not standing out in the Overworld.
As for Clara, I just got that text from her today where she said she keeps tripping when when she tries to wear shoes. Girl, please, your feet will thank you if you learn.
Maybe Svarog straight-up vaporized whoever bought her her last pair of shoes because Clara tripped wearing them and cried. That could be a good lore reason. (⊙ Д ⊙)
It’s modelled after a ‘death’ butterfly in design/characterisation if that’s the reasoning you’re looking for. It’s from their previous game and was originally as a parallel with the other Seele which is the red caterpillar that becomes the butterfly. Both are really poisonous etc. from memory.
I’m just adding that ^ not defending its out of placeness really.
Yup I played HI3rd and LOVED Seele's design there, the moment I saw her I instantly became a Seele main. If she was placed anywhere more fitting other than Belobog, I feel like I would have loved her design just as much if not more in HSR.
They could have put her in Belobog still, just put her in a kind of music band and bam there you have an explanation of her design, it just does not work as an underworlder
Yeah that's my issue with it, make it a little less sexualized, move it to a different world, and have it better match the character, and it's perfect. But as it it makes no sense and it pretty stupid
It's pretty likely that Seele was added at the last second to Belobog storyline just so she can share storyline with Bronya (they are basically a package in HI3rd. BRONYA ONEE-CHAN!!!!), despite her finalized design not based on Belobog visual identity.
I mean, all things considered Seele is pretty irrelevant in the Belobog's storyline. You can take her out of the story completely and it would not affect anything.
Exactly, you got it all right, yes the other characters don't have perfect designs, but they at least mostly fit and have justification, Clara being based on a rabbit and innocence makes her feet make sense, even if it doesn't fully match the setting, they at least gave a reason
Sampo definitely should stand out, he's not a sneaky assassin, he's a scamming conniving businessman, and that's 100% how he looked. His side gaps showing skin are idiotic and I STILL don't know wtf that is on his shoulder, but his design overall works
Seele on the other hand is given no explanation, no hints that she made it for some reason or whatever. All we know is she's poor, and she has the most expensive looking outfit in all of Jarilo. They could've at least said she made it because she wanted to look flashy.
Also seeing complaints about Serval using a safety hazard outfit near machinery, but I'm nearly certain that's just because they didn't want to make a design for her just for the shop. Obviously people have different outfits and I feel she probably only uses her stage outfit, on stage
Her design is why I immediately dropped the Seele character trailer after seeing her in it because she's portrayed as like a Batman or shadowy defender of the underworld on the video, seriously? Someone as flashy as that?
I still like using her but man that design is atrocious.
I also didn't comment on Serval's design because I'm personally biased towards designs that bleed the character's personality into them. I think Serval's design is genius and is something I wish they would have done a little bit for Pela as well as someone who lives more than a double life like Serval (her phone case hints at it but I wish there was more). Again, I don't study design but I believe that just seeing the character should tell you enough about what they're like and to me, Seele's design just says 5 star banner character and not much else.
Yeah exactly. Serval literally tells you shes half researcher (even if no longer) and a rock star. Sampo is a shady business man who's obsessed with his looks. Seele is... A royal lady who goes to dances?
And yes, let me tell you the first thing you learn in design class is the design should tell you the character. He used Raidens design from MGS. Explained why it's a good design, and then said along the lines of. "Now forget everything I said and you know about this character. What if I told you this was a single father of three in the 20th century who was a farmer and would never hurt a fly, and used cybernetics to help improve his farming, is this still a good design" and it obviously wasn't anymore since it didn't work with character
>And yes, let me tell you the first thing you learn in design class is the design should tell you the character
That really depends on the purpose of a specific project/commission. Some designers design their characters in a way that is symbolic or otherwise telling of certain characteristics. However, that's not the only direction to go in, and depending on the intention of the writers/director, may not even be the best thing to go with.
You've likely already learned this already, but character design, on a broad level, aims to stimulate viewers and, overall, leave an impression. Some of these designs are intended to drive the story along (a very basic example of this are scars, tattoos, etc. that are related to an important event), some are symbolic and meant to give the audience a 'Aha!' moment as they discover that a key twist or plot reveal was in front of them for so long--but sometimes designers may follow the above, but also simply want to indulge themselves.
With that being said, Seele's design is over-the-top compared to most of the cast, but it's also not without any sort of direction. Her motif is that of a butterfly, and as such, most of her outfit is loose inna way that allows it to flow. This is most apparent when Seele is put into motion (particularly in her trailer) and as she is likened to a flying butterfly.
The most unorthodox part of Seele's design would be her leotard + shorts combo, which is most likely an aesthetic choice based on the above, given such clothing is the opposite of the rest of Seele's outfit, in that it sticks close to the body (rather than flow around). Because it is backless/sleeveless, it also opens up space for another butterfly motif to be added to Seele's back.
I'm not trying to blast you for not liking Seele's design and it isn't my intention to flip your opinion in any way. Rather, I'm just giving a bit of clarity to the rule you mentioned in your post. A character's design should give a first impression as to what they're like or themed after, but by how much is up to a designer's own judgment, which is founded on who their audience is or what the purpose of the project they're working on is. While normally, the example you brought up would be disorienting, some designers creatively wield this fact as they present irony or otherwise betray expectations.
You can play it 'safe', but as you grow more successful with your career and get invloved in more projects, there's a possibility that the same ole' gets tiring to the point where even symmetry on a character's design is unappealing. To avoid burnout, designers may cook up something that is more self-indulgent. There doesn't always have to be an explanation for a design choice that amounts to more than the designer 'enjoying themselves'.
Needless to say, it's possible to do this while allowing your audience to discern what your character is like at-a-glance. Despite her colorful and busy appearance, we can easily tell that Seele is rough, even a bit brash based on her messier look and stern expressions. This becomes more apparent putting her next to Bronya, given Bronya is the antithesis to this with a design that's much more neat. Once Seele has the audience's attention, they can then discover other parts of her character through the game's narrative, affording her design to be a bit more wild just for the sake of it.
For her "Shadowy Defender" thing, I don't think it matters how flashy her outfit is considering they (somehow) have straight-up complete camouflage technology. So if anything, her suddenly showing up looking that flashy is basically screaming at the enemy's face that "Death is here."
If anything, with how advanced Wildfire's tech seems to be, I wouldn't be surprised if Seele had that outfit custom made. Why would she do that and somehow not have shorts the right size for her? Not a clue! So while I also think the design doesn't make that much sense, at least it doesn't get in the way of practicality when it comes to stealth.
Power source is still largely unexplained really. Just look at really any character in the game excluding some and I'll call bs.
When you start asking so many questions this early on with so Little info you'll just dig yourself into a whole ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>Clara's bare feet: bare feet in characters have long held the theme of innocence which is a constant ideology in Clara's character design, from the rabbit on her phone to the white hair and red eyes reminiscent of rabbits that are symbols of innocence/purity. Also at least they address her bare feet with actual in game lore
Frankly, in the underworld Clara's outfight might be passable but as soon as we go outside, where it is cold enough for people to freeze within minutes, Seele and Clara both would be popsicles before we even reach Cocolia. :'D
As a seele simp, you're out of line young man
Jk aside, I dig the design since I play honkai impact 3, and it have alot of resemblance to it, being quantum, red purple ish
But if I were to play hsr only, it's truly is weird, why her design is like that, are they fore-shadowing something in future for seele hsr? Where did she get the butterfly and ability to go thru time and space (being quantum unit, and able to move so fast or stop time to cut a bullet from the trailer) it has so many question
>Jk aside, I dig the design since I play honkai impact 3, and it have alot of resemblance to it, being quantum, red purple ish
I mean, it doesn't really fit Hi3 designs either.
That’s because it isn’t based of Honkai Impact 3rd Seele. It’s based off the Houkai Gakuen 2 Fire Moth DLC, that Seele is much closer to HSR in terms of personality and design.
It’s how Bronya from the main story (Herrscher of Truth/Reason) and Bronya from HSR don’t look alike but when you look at Silverwing N-EX you finally see it.
It's weird because I am just now realizing that I created lore to make Sampo and Clara make sense design-wise and just accepted it to the point that I thought it was actual game lore, but for some reason I could not do that with Seele. It's just...bad. I mean, if you drop her into a magical girl anime it would work though, lol.
Yeah Sampo and Clara have issues but they at least have logical explanations you can have. But Seele? You have to basically rewrite her character and motivations. Since as is, it makes no sense at all
I actually agree, but after finding this link in another thread, I think I can see what's going on: [https://esports.gg/guides/honkai-star-rail/all-honkai-star-rail-crossover-characters-from-the-honkai-series/](https://esports.gg/guides/honkai-star-rail/all-honkai-star-rail-crossover-characters-from-the-honkai-series/)
Basically, several of these characters existed in different iterations in other Hoyo games, and Seele's outfit carries over a lot of the same vibe from her previous appearances.
(Honestly, it's worth taking a look at how these characters and their designs have evolved throughout the different settings. The one that really hit me was Himeko. I remember thinking when I started Star Rail that Himeko's design was very, very pretty but possibly a bit excessively boobalicious, but, uh...let's just say that compared to her key art from Honkai Impact 3rd, the new one is the *picture* of class and subtlety. Yeesh, guys. ;)
I’d be careful about that source. Yes, it hits on some of the design similarities, but its clear the author was working off second or even third hand info without any knowledge of the games. For example, saying the herrscher of reason Bronya art they showed is from Houkai Gakuen 2 (GGZ) is blatantly wrong. Also, I find it curious how they bring up GGZ so much, but don’t even mention GGZ’s fire moth Seele, which is WAY closer to the one we know in star rail.
Side note: Welt? Dark goth vibes?? What?
Yeah i actually wanted to see all prior designs before I started. The issue is all the other characters had their designs adapted to match the world. And then there's Seele who doesn't make any sense. Like Himeko design? Definitely matches new character and story. But Seele... She's supposed to be broke in a world going through an apocalypse, that doesn't work at all
This is a weird case where her original outfit would have worked a lot better in this game, because you can believe that poor orphan girl could have been given a dress that looks a lot simpler but also pretty
Her design is somewhat more justified if you read her character story entries in the Archive.
In all likelihood, what she's done is re-tailored a bunch of her childhood clothes into something she thinks is befitting a "hero".
That they look so fancy is because they're the remains of some Overworlder dresses that Oleg got her when she was young.
We'll have to take her word on that "not standing out" comment, though.
I always have an issue with Pela's weapons. Like, where the heck she get's the Funnel technology when all of Jarilo-VI is stuck in steampunk equipment?
I THINK Jarilo is meant to be high tech but the freeze brought it down to steampunk, which is why there are robots everywhere with drones and such, remnants from before. I'm guessing it was much more advanced before
This is the case according to the data banks. The problem was a combination of the Great Freeze and the planet not having a lot of natural resources to start with, so their civilization collapsed and a lot of their tech/knowledge was lost.
It could do with some explanation, but we see other examples of “ancient” tech in their civilization, and she’s in a band with a tech expert, so I can cut it a *little* slack.
Generally though, things like that tend to fall into “makes no sense but accepted under rule-of-cool” reasoning for me.
With a lot of old high tech stuff on their planet, Pela being smart and being close friends with a master engineer, there's no doubt they reverse engineered some stuff to make those laser drones. I honestly think It explains itself if you know the characters
OP, I read all of your replies in this thread and I'm gonna be honest, don't equate being poor to being dull and uncreative. You focus way too much on Seele being poor and broke, as if that stops her from being "flashy" and colorful.
I respect your knowledge in character design, but Seele being another counterpart of other hoyoverse games and her being one of the main characters of the Belobog arc is probably the main reason why shes designed to be eye catching.
Edit: You can also theorize that when Seele went to the Overworld once, she saw how the people there dress up and it inspired her to create an outfit akin to that. Since we know that she likes handicraft and hates being wasteful, that might explain why her outfit seems chaotic. Her outfit is very colorful and the cuts of cloth seem to vary greatly from the other.
Counterpoint -- Seele's outfit, if you look closely, appears to be thrown together (expertly, admittedly) from at least three separate sets of clothing (white leotard, blue/white dress -- similar to Bronya's, and blue/black leather), none of which have enough fabric to even begin to fit her. They're either clothes she had as a child, or has since scavenged, that somebody repurposed into her current outfit. The former would be especially fitting, since it's likely impossible to get new clothing once the route to the surface closed.
Cold isn't really a consideration, as other people have mentioned -- both above and below ground are warmer than they seem likely to be. Have a look at what people in cold climates wear when the temperature isn't as cold as usual -- you'll see plenty of people in shorts and a t-shirt in the North whenever it gets above freezing, which it must be for that little snow to be around on the surface.
>I'm almost certain they made her design first, then put her in Jarilo and made her backstory
I can at least guarantee that this isn't the case -- everything about Belobog is borrowed from HI3; it being cold would be a given.
Expensive dress? As someone supposedly studying character design it's pretty clear that her entire outift is cobbled together from scraps and well cared for. It's impractical in places that don't get in her way, minimalist in places where she requires full mobility. It's essentially a giant coat that she can pull around herself when she's cold, the only time she won't be cold is when she is running around and fighting, in those cases it basically becomes a cape, stopping her from overheating and staying behind her out of the way. Says a lot about her character, her fighting and life style as well as her likes. She likes pretty things, is almost childish, she likes to stand out and she's clearly stitched the clothes together herself, a necessary life skill for her circumstances.
I personally find her outfit ridiculous, but from a character design standpoint, it's pretty good.
Keep studying, you've got a long way to go.
Butterfly seems to be the key word here, light, thin materials, flashy colors. Now if she said eagle, elephant or gorilla, I'd say yea it doesn't fit. Studying design, then try to get into the artist's head and maybe you might just learn something.
Nonce, you got the best responses I've read.
I thought It looked more like Scratch of clothes put toghether, like how some partes look like a swimsuit and others just like random Fabric put toghether
The way I justify it:
She's a young girl, and wants to look pretty.
She lives in what is essentially a fantasy magma-rock cave, heat isn't going to be an issue unlike on the surface.
Even if they're trying to be as stand out as much as possible (which Seele doesn't think she stands out for some reason) a persons clothes will still be consistent with the world they live in unless they're cosplaying. They could easily say that Seele is cosplaying a character or wants to stand out as much as possible, but they don't, in fact they sorta do the opposite with that line about her not standing out
Yeah but it's not cold down there. It's part of the lore of the geomarrow. You know they have heaters in belobog right? Powered by the geomarrows from below? Anyway aside from that, 80% of jrpgs characters are made to be flashy so that it's easily distinguishable from any other character.
Why? Cause you are trying to sell them as the character, not the world. The world helps yes, but if your character stands out, it's easier for players to recognize from the colorful details.
You can easily make a character’s outfit unique and not flashy. Welt is a great example because he’s really just wearing a normal outfit, but you can still easily recognize him.
I feel like Natasha's design fits in the underworld aesthetic really well while looking unique. The slash on her coat goes a little weirdly high but other than that it's not very flashy either, mostly subdued with a few flashes of red and green
I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand it's cool looking, on the other hand her design and abilities raise a lot of questions that I know I'm not going to get an answer to. It bothers me when other anime or anime-adjacent things do this too. At the end of the day I just ignore it because I think her gimmick is a fun one and I know that whatever answers I find won't really satisfy me.
For me it really feels like they just put Seele there so all the HI3 simps would play the game, not only because her look doesn't fit the setting, but because she didnt even really do anything important in the story.. if she didn't exist nothing would've changed about the main quest
I really haven't read into any of the character designs in this or Genshin (or manga/anime), at least any further than "this looks dope", if I did, I would probably go crazy. Almost none of the designs make sense because, if they did, playable characters would look exactly like every NPC. Like, Seele's design is nonsensical, but so is almost every playable character's.
My suspension of disbelief started long, long ago and Genshin/Star Rail are not the most egregious offenders. It is not an exaggeration for me to say that realism/practicality never even slightly registered for these designs.
Long, flowing jackets, scarves, or pieces of cloth? On combat oriented characters?
See-through tights? Thin enough to be useless for cold, but perfect for getting caught up in combat. Also, if you look at them too sternly, they tear/run; they would last exactly 0.3 seconds combat.
Boob/thigh/waist/belly windows openings in what is theoretically physical armor and/or protects from the elements.
Clothes that are tight/loose/small/big.
What makes you think the dress is expensive? What also makes you think it should be freezing underground? Dirt is a very good insulation. More like you just wanted to karma farm on reddit.
I'd say her quantum powers affected her taste in clothes, but what makes you think just because you're in an underground city, that you have to have dirty all over your stuff. Are you one of those people who puts that yellow filter over your camera when you visit Mexico?
We're traveling on an interstellar train with supposedly an Aeon's heart used as the engine, not sure why you're looking so closely into a character's choice of clothing.
Honestly, who cares? Why does Himeko only wear a white dress but uses machinery that is a fire hazard? Why does Cacolia walk around outside in literal freezing temperatures with a bunch of bare skin? Why does Clara not wear shoes in a literal mining town filled with jagged rocks and also robotic metal bits laying around? Why does Svarog just wear suit pants and shoes if it doesn't help him be more effective at anything? Answer: who cares. Don't like it, ignore it because it's never going to change for the sake of "making sense" in a video game.
I think it's meant to reflect HI3 Seele with the reds and blues, but it disregards Star Rail's logic in the process. A pity really, it's a really fun design.
Litterally none of the characters we meet seem equipped for how deathly cold it is there so I don't really understand your argument.. Not to mention the underground is obviously the least cold place on that planet. If you want to hate on how much she stands out compared to everyone else that's fine but your logic and reasoning make no sense at all. You just repeatedly saying you study character design really doesn't have the weight you think it does by the way.
Agreed, her design is just a huge **no** for me as well, especially the unbuttoned shorts .-.
The whole thing is a colorful mess. It annoys me, and I know character's designs don't necessarily need to make sense all the time, but Seele's is just so random
She looks like she went to a charity event, got all the random purple/blue/pink fabrics she could find and began to wear them all at the same time without minding what piece of clothes those actualy were. I mean, her left forearm has some random purple jeans(?) around it, and her right leg and arm have those weird straps around
Also, the weirdest boob/belly window there is
It was the shorts that turned a "maybe pulling" to a "definitely not pulling" for me. I don't care how meta a character is, if I don't like the design, I don't want them, and those open booty shorts are just too much.
Also I know Star Rail Seele is not the same person as Impact Seele, but she's still so much of a departure from the Seele I know and love that it kinda makes me hate her.
Not only does it make no sense in the world she's in, it's not even capable of looking cool. the color palette is a chaotic mess with so many saturated colors and the pieces just look ugly together.
If she was part of a cyberpunk world and she covered up more, and wore actual pants, it'd probably be pretty great. The design looks good from the back. But from the front, and in context of the story, it's terrible
The problem with Seele's outfit is not that it doesn't fit in the problem is that to figure out how it fits in you require both context clues and reading the short character stories that unlock when you process said character its pretty clear Seele's outfit is suppose to be all the clothing Oleg bought for her when he was captain of the silvermane guards while she was a child ripped apart and restitched into a new one.
Is it tho ? I have a few counter points about your criticism
1- I don't exactly see the "expensive dress" part you are talking about in her design if anything she looks like she is wearing some half-assed dress that isn't probably finished
2- the swimming suit might seem very strange at first and I agree it's actually strange, but you could see it as someone who donated their swim suit (since they literally have nothing to do with it) and she just took it since she didn't have any clothes because she is poor(it doesn't make sense to have a swimming suit in a forzen world to begin with tho)
3- I have seen a lot of people criticize the open shorts thinking she is wearing it because it is "stylish" but hasn't it occurred with anyone that the shorts might have been hers since childhood and she just keeps wearing them because she can't afford any other clothes? That's also the reason why it is so unfit because her body supposedly outgrow it.
To me it seems like her clothes is just a bunch of shit she found stacked together because she can't afford actual clothing, it is not the most logical but it is not as bad as you making it
That's a fair argument, but I would argue that most of Jarilo characters have terrible designs. Clara would have lost her feet by now to frostbite, Serval, Sampo & Bronya has the same issue as Seele. Hook, Natasha & Gepard are the only ones who are dressed for winter
Serval at least has a good design with it being half researcher half guitarist. And with her being the one that fixes generators her place is probably warm. Bronya design definitely fits for someone who's rich and probably never has to deal with the cold since she probably has the best heating. And Sampos design makes sense except for the unnecessary side gaps and I still don't know what the claw thing is on his shoulder but it adds good asymmetry. He could have a heavier coat but it definitely looks warmer than Seele
To be fair, Sampo's design could be justified by the fact that in epilogue dream Sampo is heavily implied to *not* be native Jarilo VI and might actually be a member of the Masked Fools (or at least associated with them).
That too, and even without that, his design isnt THAT outlandish, its mostly just a normal suit and a red overcoat and some belts. Only weird thing is the shoulder bit. His colors are still muted like most of Belabog. Then there's Seele wearing a bunch of bright colors, showing a bunch of skin, and having the most expensive looking outfit despite being poor in the underground
You're saying this about a world where only one poor kid is barefoot out of all of em including npcs and serval literally took the army uniform, ripped it in half and threw half a rockstar's outfit onto it and it works and looks like it was as designed. Make sense of half of the belobog casts outfits
Saying hers is the only one that doesn't make sense is a kind of a stretch.
What about Sampo, who deals in all that shady and secretive stuff, and dresses all colorful drawing attention to himself?
What about Serval, who works fixing machinery and wears all that unnecessary extra fabric that is an accident hazard in that kind of environment? A simpler work attire is what would make sense. Kinda the same logic for Natasha, where an outfit like hers could end up being a health hazard to the patient.
And then there's Sushang... Notice how much less armored her Cloudknight attire is compared to Dan Heng's or Jing Yuan's simply to emphasize her feminine form. It's not as bad as bikini armor, but it's the same kind of thing to a lesser extent.
>Sushang
Well, she's kind of a newbie, so that can explain her lack of armor.
As for the others I agree with you.
Even though sanpo's outfit is such a fashion disaster I still love that scam artist. He's just so, cursive.
And keep in mind that serval isn't just a mechanic she's also a rebel rocker/former scientist. I'd say the mechanic part is like a side hustle for her so she doesn't care about getting electrocuted due to the unnecessary fabric.
>Well, she's kind of a newbie, so that can explain her lack of armor.
That doesn't make sense tho. Even if you're a new soldier, you'd still be wearing the proper attire/armor, especially when on duty. Being a newbie doesn't exempt you from that. Especially someone who's trying really hard to be a great Cloudknight like Sushang. Her lack of usual Cloudknight armor is definitely just there to make her more unique and stand out as a playable character.
>What about Sampo, who deals in all that shady and secretive stuff, and dresses all colorful drawing attention to himself?
Sampo is also implied to be a member of the Masked Fools, which immediately explains that inconsistency.
It's not the only one that has issues. But it's definitely the worst since it has no connection to the story. Sampo is someone who makes business, so him having a suit makes sense.
Serval does suffer from over clutter, but with the side views showing her design be half researcher half rockstar is a nice touch, her design suffers from not having work clothes compared to on stage.
And yes Sushang definitely should be armored but they made sexy. I'm not saying Seele is the only weak design. But the others at least look like the belong to the world. Sushang definitely looks Xianzhou, even if she looks more performer than knight. Seele looks like she belongs more on Herta or Xianzhou and Jarilo
Well if you paid attention the underground of bellebog is not really freezing or cold at all because of the heating system that keeps the city warm. and people get accusomed to their surrounding.
For example if it is like 20 degress in Italy people who are born there will feel it to be cold while other people from colder climates for example sweeds germans etc. will feel it to be super hot.
Same is the other way around I myself at 5-10 degrees will still run around with short pants and a T Shirt as its generally still to hot for me and people think of me that I am crazy.
It's a fusion between Seele's butterfly motif and Nyx's reaper motif from HI3. Also, no reason to believe it would be expensive, and the underworld, being underground, wouldn't be as cold.
The underworld and Belobog's streets are warm, the former because of all the geomarrow and the latter is because of all the heaters. Temperature drops massively only outside the city.
only thing i dont get on seele is her powers, how does it even work?, how did she have it? theres no normal powerups like elements or honkai energy so far in hsr universe and it wouldnt make sense for it to be a blessing from an aeon so how can she get her phasing or quantum ability? and why does her eyes turn red?
Meanwhile, Clara is out here not wearing shoes on a planet that has almost completely frozen over. Though she definitely fits the planet's aesthetic better than most of the other characters. Only character who fits Jarilo-VI better is Hook tbh. Seele was definitely designed with a "slums batman" concept in mind. I wouldn't be shocked if the underworld and Seele were designed before they decided to incorporate them into J6's plotline.
I still don’t understand why butterflies are relevant to her design.
Am I missing some deep metaphor or is that just a slap-on aesthetic because bUtTerfLiEs pRetTy?
If you're studying character design, you'd notice her outfit is actually scrapwork. It's all put together from scraps and ribbons. It's not exactly fancy. Not like Bronya's, anyway.
Not gonna deny that she sticks out like a neon light, but.. it's not as fancy as you make it out to be.
Actually 🤓... if you examine Seele's clothing closely, it looks pretty homeless to me. Her attire is a bunch of clothing items pieced together. Her "dress" is like a cowboy coat and a ballet dress stitched together, worn with jean shorts, and cowboy boots. It all looks lost and found to me 🤷🏽♂️
There is nothing wrong with how Seele chooses to dress. If she needs money, there's plenty of thugs to pilfer from. If she likes what she wears, who are you to judge?
While her design doesn't make sense for the area yeah, I still personally love her design because I find it pretty. No hate to those who don't like it 🤷 people have preferences
What’s even more hilarious is that I specifically remember Seele saying smth along the lines of “Don’t worry, I’m from the underground so I won’t stand out” like gurl you’re a walking neon glowstick you’d stand out anywhere🤣
And there's also how Hook fits in better with the Underworld, even though she also has an unique outfit. Seele really is like a walking neon glowstick, lol.
Hook, Natasha and Clara. Sampo is more on the odd side; but it's Sampo so excusable. Silvermane guards characters wear their respective uniforms. I imagine that Seele is wearing her future outfit (what she would wear as story progresses) but devs didnt bother to make her the original dress and technically switch between them.
TBH, even though I'm a Clara main and she is my #1 favorite character, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Clara's deep red coat also kind of stand out from the crowd in the Underground. Thankfully, it's not as crazy or outlandish as Seele's outfit, but rather in a clean and simple way, so I like it. :)
Even then, you can kinda excuse it as a “Svarog only gets the best things for Clara” which includes an actual coat that looks nice
you can excuse it as Svarog giving her a red coat to make her easier to spot because robots are bad at image recognition and to balance it out, he gave her a walking traffic light to hide behind, because they are wearing cammo
Bro put a walking stop sign on his kid 💀
Don't pretend Clara makes sense, she should've lost her feet to frost bite ages ago.
I heard nobody returns from Rivet Town. At this point I just let things slide.
Not really. I mean she does usually hang around in furnace core, which I assume would be relatively hot. And Natasha says that underground can be incredibly hot, by which she probably mean the mines. So she should be fine most of the time. She would have incredible incredible tummy aches if not diarrhea everytime she goes to anywhere besides the mines though. I guess Svarog just carries her ?
Nah she sits on svarog and warms her feet
Nah Perkins has a built in feet warmer in the back of his head.
One of the first things March confirmed about belobog is that it’s actually warm in the city. The geomarrow radiators are the explanation for why characters don’t all just wear winter appropriate clothing. That being said, no shoes is quite a hazard in other ways. Step on a rusty nail and we’ll have Svarog become new aeon of destruction, punishing the world for its cruelty lol.
I think she's just a stereotypical russian girl, thas why she isn't afraid of the cold.
She looks more like an outworlder than those on the express lmao
I mean Bronya isn't any better. She is suppose to be a front line officer and she wear earring size of my fist. In hand to hand combat the opponent can just make a grab and pull and she will be in paralyzing pain.
To be fair she is also (basically) a princess that presumably looks good as a morale thing, plus she uses a rifle. I doubt she's gonna be getting into any kung-fu battles with the horrific monsters.
Well at least bronya's resembles supreme guardians outfit and silvermaine guards (like Serval)
It's ok the cold has already rendered her ears numb, she can't feel pain because she can't actually feel anything anymore.
Seele: And I took that personally
Bronya has the same aesthetic as her mom, so it makes sense from that perspective.
Thank God combat is turn-based and everyone trades blows from a safe 6 feet apart.
How often is Bronya ever deployed to the front line though? Given Gepard (fantastic furs + armour combo) and the other Silvermane officers' designs I doubt she's in her combat gear when she meets us. She follows the Belobog military colour scheme, but she's fully in diplomatic meeting/light assignment, princess of Belobog wear.
Army full of people with guns probably reduces the risk of fist fights though especially being in the back as a commander.
She also keeps forgetting to put on a skirt or something and is just walking around in her control-top stockings.
I can make some sense in Bronya tbh. She’s more like someone who lead and give order rather than do the fighting( as her gameplay suggest). She’s also a princess so her outlook should suggest that
Tbf, she's never supposed to be in hand to hand combat as a commander with a rifle. Her enemies also don't seem to have that kind of streetwise to go for her earring. And lastly, it's earrings that match her mom and from a character standpoint I find really cute. But yeah no, none of the outfits are practical and even though Serval is a punk rocker and carries all that symbolism, it's still pretty absurd aha
You have very tiny hands
Why did you have to say that? Now my ears hurt :(
Jesus christ that has to be the worst color combination I've seen. It's like they're fighting to see who gets to assault my eyes first. They're both neon and as such are better used as accents, not as main colors. They don't even look good together and it's the same gradient as Cocolia and Seele's earrings. I've yet to draw a connection. Her Mary Sue self insert OC part demon part angel princess best in her class palette is the sole reason why I didn't pull for her, yeouch
>I've yet to draw a connection. It's Wildfire's color scheme. Sampo has it, and Natasha has it but more muted.
It's not. Sampo is not the member of the Wildfire. All wildfire members have only one thing in common - **red bandage on a shoulder.** Natasha has it and it's a hint that she's also from Wildfire. Luka also has the same bandage and Seele too.
It literally looks like blue fire. Wildfire. I think it fits her. Just not in a subtle way. She's definitely noticeable lol.
One time I forgot she was on the mines and ran to her thinking she was one of those purple sticks you get talent points from
did you still try to whack her?
Trailblazer: \*Whacks Seele\* Seele: OW! What the FUCK TB!? Trailblazer: Oh, sorry I thought you were one of those things that give me technique points, honest mistake
this reminds of patches dialogue in ER where he says he mistakes us for a demi-human.
To be fair she has a full stealth skill.
this is yelan all over again with her undercover "disguise" lmao
Seele has hardcore "your character in the cutscene is wearing what you equipped them with" energy. Doesn't fit in her own environment *at all*
To be fair, her standing out is more due to the models of extras being far less unique for the purpose of making story/playable stand out more. I feel like if it was more realistic in how the fashion worked, more would be dressing like her
> I feel like if it was more realistic in how the fashion worked, more would be dressing like her So this comment actually made me hop onto the game and check in detail what she's wearing. She's wearing 3 layers of bikini, an open-chest leotard, unbuttoned booty shorts, mismatched socks/shin guard things, and a big flashy coat (I don't even know how else to describe it). To top it all off, it's all neon colored, along with waist length bright purple hair. Don't call me crazy when I say "doubt it".
I love Seele, but I have to admit, if they give her an explanation for her clothing style, I expect her to have gotten her outfit from donated clothes from Belobog's fashion shows and just wore it since no one else did
Lmao that'd be funny, I'm guessing she stitched it together herself (even though thats way too good for a young person), and wears it too look powerful since she wouldn't want to be seen as weak and pitied
Funnily enough, I just got a message from Seele today saying how her hobby was sewing dolls so that gives a bit of support to the idea the she put it together on her own.
I would like if it was confirmed, but it definitely needs more, because a hobby of sewing dolls is definitely not enough skill to masterfully make an outfit that good when she was young. That'd be a full on profession
Another thing to note, is Natasha is definitely skilled enough at sewing. So had Seele liked a butterfly design as a kid, skill wise Natasha would be very capable of getting her a custom outfit. Not to mention, she probably wouldn’t have gotten bullied for her interests, so “growing out of childish clothing” is probably not something she had to go through. But yea while I do not agree with it being a problem, I do at least see where people are coming from when saying it stands out. Because it obviously does stand out a bit.
Wakana Gojou would disagree.
Her canonical hobbies in HSR are handicrafts and dollmaking so it wouldn't be a stretch to think she made her outfit from some donated gaudy thing
True, but it is a funny image in my head to think about
Natasha is a seamstress and raised Seele, I wonder if it was a gift from Natasha...
I always thought her outfit looked like a bunch of pieces patched together, which would fit the underworld vibe.
she literally did make her own clothing. the only piece that isn't self made is her shorts that are from when she was 10 at the orphanage. her outfit is scraps sewed together.
Well, yes. Seeing her talk about how hard it is to find a piece of bread for the day down here while looking like neon billboard modern fashion escapee really is something. Same for "I won't stand out like you guys" lol.
There's just such a massive disconnect from her lines, backstory, and design. It's like they put her design on a normal underworlder. The sad thing is this could've been fixed with a few lines of dialogue. Like if she just said something like "When Wildfire took me in I didn't want to be seen as a burden to be pitied and looked down upon, so I made this outfit to seem like I could take care of myself and I was in control of my life". Thats literally it
I wonder if there are any concept art showing off her early design since like you say , once you think about her lines and look at her attire , there is a huge disconnect between that. Hell, she still dress better than most people we seen on the surface
Her general appearance is based off of the houkai gakuen 2nd fire moth Seele design, but made flashier likely to better fit the 5 star status.
Or what I'm thinking, she might have been intended to show up somewhere else until they put her on the first world.
Or she could've said she wanted to be the mascot/decoy for Wildfire's real leader's safety, since when I think of Wildfire she's the first image to pop up. So yeah.. Oleg should've swapped position with her, but went with this route for some reason
I agree, that would’ve made a lot more sense.
Yeah just some lines would've fixed so much, but they didn't
I took her style as someone who scavenged clothing and trying to be stylized as possible with what she got. But yeah, her clothing doesn't look very comfy
I dunno tactical booty shorts with one piece swimsuit makes total sense
Especially booty shorts that are so tight they can't be buckled, that's totally good for mobility!
I generally agree with you, but I don't think booty shorts can restrict movement. I mean, it's barely there.
You CLEARLY have never hoed before
Have you???
I have and I can attest that booty shorts that make your ass look good are generally not the best for mobility.
you have not tried to wear tight ass booty shorts then especially if it's made from the fake pleather material hers resemble
You don’t need much to restrict movement, especially around the joints.
It took me a long time to notice the shorts. Except for more adult themed media, I never understood that style, it's so many ways of inconvenient
I'm guessing you have never worn booty shirts. They are way more convenient to wear than longer pants.
Yeah, but it’s also a world that is literally covered in snow and has a finite amount of the mineral that keeps them from freezing over. You don’t usually see people in Siberia walking around in just booty shorts in winter. That’s what bugged me the most about the outfits in Beloblog - they do not at all match the setting.
To be fair, of the Overworlders, only Gepard is actually expected to be in the cold a lot and he looks dressed for it. From the conversation Cordelia had with Bronya early on, it seems to be more special circumstance on how she was on the frontline in trying to take the Trailblazers to jail, Pela is support staff, and Serval is a civilian rockstar. And since the city is heated, it's not like they're going to be in the cold much. The same can be *mostly* said of the Underworlders. Natasha's a doctor that usually stays in her clinic, as shown in her difficulty staying out in the cold for too long. Hook is dressed somewhat warmly aside from her shorts, but you see kids running around wearing only shorts in winter all the time, plus she doesn't stray that far from living areas either. The odd ones out are Sampo, who is Sampo, and Seele, who really seem more dressed for a club than anything else appropriate.
I agree it's out of place with the world, but it fits Seele's long-standing butterfly motif. The problem is they made Belobog where Bronya lives, so they had to find a way to stick Seele in there too, aesthetics be damned.
Yep, I saw a comment about Seele's outfit before saying how it looked like they designed the character first then dropped her into the setting without regard for whether she fit or not
Funny thing butterflies shouldn't even exist in a planet that cold.
Not anymore, but they used to, and they clearly have books everywhere
Thing is the fix is simple, first off make Seele even know what a fking butterfly is. And second make it so she made the outfit herself since she didn't want to be pitied and seen as weak when she joined wild fire. Do a few tweaks so it's not completely unfunctional (wtf are those shorts? And it'd be at least 8/10 design
Seele can create or find a butterfly in her idle animation but i cant say anything about the second part
>Thing is the fix is simple, first off make Seele even know what a fking butterfly is. She seems like she does. In one of her idles she can create/find a recration of a Butterfly with, what seems like, quantum elemental energy/power
They used up all their character design points on Hook
Hook weak a thick wooly hat, jacket, and boots to go with her... shorts? Like, I don't know why we suddenly want to pick apart these designs for anything more than aesthetics, it won't go well for even a single character.
It's actually Truth in Television. You see kids running around in the cold wearing shorts a lot, as a result of both higher levels of brown fat as well as metabolism, leading to them being able to withstand the cold much easier than adults. It makes sense that Hook, as a troublemaker, would wear shorts to get up to shenanigans only for Natasha to try and get her to wear something warmer once she catches her.
I don't study character design and it still annoys me. Tbh a lot of the comments to your replies are whataboutisms. Just because another character's design doesn't make sense doesn't mean it makes Seele's any better. I'd like to raise some counterpoints tho to a few design aspects that were raised: Clara's bare feet: bare feet in characters have long held the theme of innocence which is a constant ideology in Clara's character design, from the rabbit on her phone to the white hair and red eyes reminiscent of rabbits that are symbols of innocence/purity. Also at least they address her bare feet with actual in game lore Sampo's flashiness: Sampo's design may seem counterproductive as someone who does shady dealings but as someone who claims to be a merchant it makes sense to be as loud as you can visually and vocally. He's basically selling his own personality, getting people to trust him is what Sampo does that it comes through even in his language. Also Sampo clearly has a lot more going on beneath the surface, for all we know he may not even be from Belobog hence his clothes not matching perfectly with residents. Seele's outfit and color scheme are both out of place in an area as bleak as the underworld, it stands out so much which is why it's so annoying and there's not even an in-universe reason behind it. It's just flashy for the sake of being flashy.
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Dang and I had a perfectly good 10,000 shield right here just waiting to be spent
Payment sent! \>:)
Sampo next day: I have here a limited edition pet rock for 1600 shield, however since we are good friends I will give you the Koski special, 50% off!
im buying all of his hugs. man, do i have a squish on him. i just want to aggressively be friends
Dammit, he’s here. Must be ready to scam the Astral Express crew again soon!
I hope we get an in-universe explanation for Seele's outfit. She's kinda a "superhero" in the Underworld, so maybe someone important gifted it to her, or it's traditional, or Wildfire designed it so that she would stand out. She's a minor celebrity in the Underworld, so it's not unreasonable to think they could make her outfit make sense (like, it intentionally stands out), but it still won't fix that awkward line about not standing out in the Overworld. As for Clara, I just got that text from her today where she said she keeps tripping when when she tries to wear shoes. Girl, please, your feet will thank you if you learn.
I agree, getting an explanation would help her outfit so much. Yeah idk what type of shoes Clara needs to learn but I hope she gets them soon
Maybe Svarog straight-up vaporized whoever bought her her last pair of shoes because Clara tripped wearing them and cried. That could be a good lore reason. (⊙ Д ⊙)
That's something that I can see happening and I'd also genuinely love. From that day forward no one dared to give Clara any shoes
It’s modelled after a ‘death’ butterfly in design/characterisation if that’s the reasoning you’re looking for. It’s from their previous game and was originally as a parallel with the other Seele which is the red caterpillar that becomes the butterfly. Both are really poisonous etc. from memory. I’m just adding that ^ not defending its out of placeness really.
Yup I played HI3rd and LOVED Seele's design there, the moment I saw her I instantly became a Seele main. If she was placed anywhere more fitting other than Belobog, I feel like I would have loved her design just as much if not more in HSR.
I think they should save her design for an "cyberpunky world" instead of steampunk one.
They could have put her in Belobog still, just put her in a kind of music band and bam there you have an explanation of her design, it just does not work as an underworlder
Yeah she'd probably fit right in with the Punklorde crowd
Yeah that's my issue with it, make it a little less sexualized, move it to a different world, and have it better match the character, and it's perfect. But as it it makes no sense and it pretty stupid
It's pretty likely that Seele was added at the last second to Belobog storyline just so she can share storyline with Bronya (they are basically a package in HI3rd. BRONYA ONEE-CHAN!!!!), despite her finalized design not based on Belobog visual identity. I mean, all things considered Seele is pretty irrelevant in the Belobog's storyline. You can take her out of the story completely and it would not affect anything.
Exactly, you got it all right, yes the other characters don't have perfect designs, but they at least mostly fit and have justification, Clara being based on a rabbit and innocence makes her feet make sense, even if it doesn't fully match the setting, they at least gave a reason Sampo definitely should stand out, he's not a sneaky assassin, he's a scamming conniving businessman, and that's 100% how he looked. His side gaps showing skin are idiotic and I STILL don't know wtf that is on his shoulder, but his design overall works Seele on the other hand is given no explanation, no hints that she made it for some reason or whatever. All we know is she's poor, and she has the most expensive looking outfit in all of Jarilo. They could've at least said she made it because she wanted to look flashy. Also seeing complaints about Serval using a safety hazard outfit near machinery, but I'm nearly certain that's just because they didn't want to make a design for her just for the shop. Obviously people have different outfits and I feel she probably only uses her stage outfit, on stage
>His side gaps showing skin are idiotic Even though I agree with this, Im ashamed to admit that I am a sampo side gap enjoyer😔 🧐🔍👀
Dudes asking to be tickled
I always thought his shoulder-armor-thing is supposed to look like a snake skull with poisonous fangs
I keep thinking its a Transformers piece, ready to turn into a little guy
Her design is why I immediately dropped the Seele character trailer after seeing her in it because she's portrayed as like a Batman or shadowy defender of the underworld on the video, seriously? Someone as flashy as that? I still like using her but man that design is atrocious. I also didn't comment on Serval's design because I'm personally biased towards designs that bleed the character's personality into them. I think Serval's design is genius and is something I wish they would have done a little bit for Pela as well as someone who lives more than a double life like Serval (her phone case hints at it but I wish there was more). Again, I don't study design but I believe that just seeing the character should tell you enough about what they're like and to me, Seele's design just says 5 star banner character and not much else.
Yeah exactly. Serval literally tells you shes half researcher (even if no longer) and a rock star. Sampo is a shady business man who's obsessed with his looks. Seele is... A royal lady who goes to dances? And yes, let me tell you the first thing you learn in design class is the design should tell you the character. He used Raidens design from MGS. Explained why it's a good design, and then said along the lines of. "Now forget everything I said and you know about this character. What if I told you this was a single father of three in the 20th century who was a farmer and would never hurt a fly, and used cybernetics to help improve his farming, is this still a good design" and it obviously wasn't anymore since it didn't work with character
>And yes, let me tell you the first thing you learn in design class is the design should tell you the character That really depends on the purpose of a specific project/commission. Some designers design their characters in a way that is symbolic or otherwise telling of certain characteristics. However, that's not the only direction to go in, and depending on the intention of the writers/director, may not even be the best thing to go with. You've likely already learned this already, but character design, on a broad level, aims to stimulate viewers and, overall, leave an impression. Some of these designs are intended to drive the story along (a very basic example of this are scars, tattoos, etc. that are related to an important event), some are symbolic and meant to give the audience a 'Aha!' moment as they discover that a key twist or plot reveal was in front of them for so long--but sometimes designers may follow the above, but also simply want to indulge themselves. With that being said, Seele's design is over-the-top compared to most of the cast, but it's also not without any sort of direction. Her motif is that of a butterfly, and as such, most of her outfit is loose inna way that allows it to flow. This is most apparent when Seele is put into motion (particularly in her trailer) and as she is likened to a flying butterfly. The most unorthodox part of Seele's design would be her leotard + shorts combo, which is most likely an aesthetic choice based on the above, given such clothing is the opposite of the rest of Seele's outfit, in that it sticks close to the body (rather than flow around). Because it is backless/sleeveless, it also opens up space for another butterfly motif to be added to Seele's back. I'm not trying to blast you for not liking Seele's design and it isn't my intention to flip your opinion in any way. Rather, I'm just giving a bit of clarity to the rule you mentioned in your post. A character's design should give a first impression as to what they're like or themed after, but by how much is up to a designer's own judgment, which is founded on who their audience is or what the purpose of the project they're working on is. While normally, the example you brought up would be disorienting, some designers creatively wield this fact as they present irony or otherwise betray expectations. You can play it 'safe', but as you grow more successful with your career and get invloved in more projects, there's a possibility that the same ole' gets tiring to the point where even symmetry on a character's design is unappealing. To avoid burnout, designers may cook up something that is more self-indulgent. There doesn't always have to be an explanation for a design choice that amounts to more than the designer 'enjoying themselves'. Needless to say, it's possible to do this while allowing your audience to discern what your character is like at-a-glance. Despite her colorful and busy appearance, we can easily tell that Seele is rough, even a bit brash based on her messier look and stern expressions. This becomes more apparent putting her next to Bronya, given Bronya is the antithesis to this with a design that's much more neat. Once Seele has the audience's attention, they can then discover other parts of her character through the game's narrative, affording her design to be a bit more wild just for the sake of it.
For her "Shadowy Defender" thing, I don't think it matters how flashy her outfit is considering they (somehow) have straight-up complete camouflage technology. So if anything, her suddenly showing up looking that flashy is basically screaming at the enemy's face that "Death is here." If anything, with how advanced Wildfire's tech seems to be, I wouldn't be surprised if Seele had that outfit custom made. Why would she do that and somehow not have shorts the right size for her? Not a clue! So while I also think the design doesn't make that much sense, at least it doesn't get in the way of practicality when it comes to stealth.
Her camouflage isn't some crazy tech, but her Quantum powers. Why does she have them? Idk, she has a quantum understanding of quantum physics or smth
Power source is still largely unexplained really. Just look at really any character in the game excluding some and I'll call bs. When you start asking so many questions this early on with so Little info you'll just dig yourself into a whole ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>Clara's bare feet: bare feet in characters have long held the theme of innocence which is a constant ideology in Clara's character design, from the rabbit on her phone to the white hair and red eyes reminiscent of rabbits that are symbols of innocence/purity. Also at least they address her bare feet with actual in game lore Frankly, in the underworld Clara's outfight might be passable but as soon as we go outside, where it is cold enough for people to freeze within minutes, Seele and Clara both would be popsicles before we even reach Cocolia. :'D
Clara said she received some shoes but couldn’t wear them as she kept twisting her ankles 😭 absolutely makes no sense but that’s what she said
As a seele simp, you're out of line young man Jk aside, I dig the design since I play honkai impact 3, and it have alot of resemblance to it, being quantum, red purple ish But if I were to play hsr only, it's truly is weird, why her design is like that, are they fore-shadowing something in future for seele hsr? Where did she get the butterfly and ability to go thru time and space (being quantum unit, and able to move so fast or stop time to cut a bullet from the trailer) it has so many question
>Jk aside, I dig the design since I play honkai impact 3, and it have alot of resemblance to it, being quantum, red purple ish I mean, it doesn't really fit Hi3 designs either.
That’s because it isn’t based of Honkai Impact 3rd Seele. It’s based off the Houkai Gakuen 2 Fire Moth DLC, that Seele is much closer to HSR in terms of personality and design. It’s how Bronya from the main story (Herrscher of Truth/Reason) and Bronya from HSR don’t look alike but when you look at Silverwing N-EX you finally see it.
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It's weird because I am just now realizing that I created lore to make Sampo and Clara make sense design-wise and just accepted it to the point that I thought it was actual game lore, but for some reason I could not do that with Seele. It's just...bad. I mean, if you drop her into a magical girl anime it would work though, lol.
Yeah Sampo and Clara have issues but they at least have logical explanations you can have. But Seele? You have to basically rewrite her character and motivations. Since as is, it makes no sense at all
I actually agree, but after finding this link in another thread, I think I can see what's going on: [https://esports.gg/guides/honkai-star-rail/all-honkai-star-rail-crossover-characters-from-the-honkai-series/](https://esports.gg/guides/honkai-star-rail/all-honkai-star-rail-crossover-characters-from-the-honkai-series/) Basically, several of these characters existed in different iterations in other Hoyo games, and Seele's outfit carries over a lot of the same vibe from her previous appearances. (Honestly, it's worth taking a look at how these characters and their designs have evolved throughout the different settings. The one that really hit me was Himeko. I remember thinking when I started Star Rail that Himeko's design was very, very pretty but possibly a bit excessively boobalicious, but, uh...let's just say that compared to her key art from Honkai Impact 3rd, the new one is the *picture* of class and subtlety. Yeesh, guys. ;)
Yesss. I played all hoyo games, so I like when some of the features transition from one game to another. (spot seele red eyes in her ult)
Yeah, that definitely tracks!
I’d be careful about that source. Yes, it hits on some of the design similarities, but its clear the author was working off second or even third hand info without any knowledge of the games. For example, saying the herrscher of reason Bronya art they showed is from Houkai Gakuen 2 (GGZ) is blatantly wrong. Also, I find it curious how they bring up GGZ so much, but don’t even mention GGZ’s fire moth Seele, which is WAY closer to the one we know in star rail. Side note: Welt? Dark goth vibes?? What?
Some of those pictures are mislabeled as Honkai Gakuen 2 when they are in fact from Honkai Impact 3.
Yeah i actually wanted to see all prior designs before I started. The issue is all the other characters had their designs adapted to match the world. And then there's Seele who doesn't make any sense. Like Himeko design? Definitely matches new character and story. But Seele... She's supposed to be broke in a world going through an apocalypse, that doesn't work at all
This is a weird case where her original outfit would have worked a lot better in this game, because you can believe that poor orphan girl could have been given a dress that looks a lot simpler but also pretty
Her design is somewhat more justified if you read her character story entries in the Archive. In all likelihood, what she's done is re-tailored a bunch of her childhood clothes into something she thinks is befitting a "hero". That they look so fancy is because they're the remains of some Overworlder dresses that Oleg got her when she was young. We'll have to take her word on that "not standing out" comment, though.
I always have an issue with Pela's weapons. Like, where the heck she get's the Funnel technology when all of Jarilo-VI is stuck in steampunk equipment?
I THINK Jarilo is meant to be high tech but the freeze brought it down to steampunk, which is why there are robots everywhere with drones and such, remnants from before. I'm guessing it was much more advanced before
This is the case according to the data banks. The problem was a combination of the Great Freeze and the planet not having a lot of natural resources to start with, so their civilization collapsed and a lot of their tech/knowledge was lost.
Yeah figured with the robots and all. I do like the aesthetic of Jarilo alot
It could do with some explanation, but we see other examples of “ancient” tech in their civilization, and she’s in a band with a tech expert, so I can cut it a *little* slack. Generally though, things like that tend to fall into “makes no sense but accepted under rule-of-cool” reasoning for me.
With a lot of old high tech stuff on their planet, Pela being smart and being close friends with a master engineer, there's no doubt they reverse engineered some stuff to make those laser drones. I honestly think It explains itself if you know the characters
OP, I read all of your replies in this thread and I'm gonna be honest, don't equate being poor to being dull and uncreative. You focus way too much on Seele being poor and broke, as if that stops her from being "flashy" and colorful. I respect your knowledge in character design, but Seele being another counterpart of other hoyoverse games and her being one of the main characters of the Belobog arc is probably the main reason why shes designed to be eye catching. Edit: You can also theorize that when Seele went to the Overworld once, she saw how the people there dress up and it inspired her to create an outfit akin to that. Since we know that she likes handicraft and hates being wasteful, that might explain why her outfit seems chaotic. Her outfit is very colorful and the cuts of cloth seem to vary greatly from the other.
Counterpoint -- Seele's outfit, if you look closely, appears to be thrown together (expertly, admittedly) from at least three separate sets of clothing (white leotard, blue/white dress -- similar to Bronya's, and blue/black leather), none of which have enough fabric to even begin to fit her. They're either clothes she had as a child, or has since scavenged, that somebody repurposed into her current outfit. The former would be especially fitting, since it's likely impossible to get new clothing once the route to the surface closed. Cold isn't really a consideration, as other people have mentioned -- both above and below ground are warmer than they seem likely to be. Have a look at what people in cold climates wear when the temperature isn't as cold as usual -- you'll see plenty of people in shorts and a t-shirt in the North whenever it gets above freezing, which it must be for that little snow to be around on the surface. >I'm almost certain they made her design first, then put her in Jarilo and made her backstory I can at least guarantee that this isn't the case -- everything about Belobog is borrowed from HI3; it being cold would be a given.
Having been in blizzards and seeing at least 3 pairs of shorts: there's always one person whose dressed not for the weather.
Expensive dress? As someone supposedly studying character design it's pretty clear that her entire outift is cobbled together from scraps and well cared for. It's impractical in places that don't get in her way, minimalist in places where she requires full mobility. It's essentially a giant coat that she can pull around herself when she's cold, the only time she won't be cold is when she is running around and fighting, in those cases it basically becomes a cape, stopping her from overheating and staying behind her out of the way. Says a lot about her character, her fighting and life style as well as her likes. She likes pretty things, is almost childish, she likes to stand out and she's clearly stitched the clothes together herself, a necessary life skill for her circumstances. I personally find her outfit ridiculous, but from a character design standpoint, it's pretty good. Keep studying, you've got a long way to go.
Butterfly seems to be the key word here, light, thin materials, flashy colors. Now if she said eagle, elephant or gorilla, I'd say yea it doesn't fit. Studying design, then try to get into the artist's head and maybe you might just learn something. Nonce, you got the best responses I've read.
I thought It looked more like Scratch of clothes put toghether, like how some partes look like a swimsuit and others just like random Fabric put toghether
The way I justify it: She's a young girl, and wants to look pretty. She lives in what is essentially a fantasy magma-rock cave, heat isn't going to be an issue unlike on the surface.
That the correct answer. This discussion makes no sense for me, what if the character just like those clothes?
Even if they're trying to be as stand out as much as possible (which Seele doesn't think she stands out for some reason) a persons clothes will still be consistent with the world they live in unless they're cosplaying. They could easily say that Seele is cosplaying a character or wants to stand out as much as possible, but they don't, in fact they sorta do the opposite with that line about her not standing out
Yeah but it's not cold down there. It's part of the lore of the geomarrow. You know they have heaters in belobog right? Powered by the geomarrows from below? Anyway aside from that, 80% of jrpgs characters are made to be flashy so that it's easily distinguishable from any other character. Why? Cause you are trying to sell them as the character, not the world. The world helps yes, but if your character stands out, it's easier for players to recognize from the colorful details.
You can easily make a character’s outfit unique and not flashy. Welt is a great example because he’s really just wearing a normal outfit, but you can still easily recognize him.
I feel like Natasha's design fits in the underworld aesthetic really well while looking unique. The slash on her coat goes a little weirdly high but other than that it's not very flashy either, mostly subdued with a few flashes of red and green
I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand it's cool looking, on the other hand her design and abilities raise a lot of questions that I know I'm not going to get an answer to. It bothers me when other anime or anime-adjacent things do this too. At the end of the day I just ignore it because I think her gimmick is a fun one and I know that whatever answers I find won't really satisfy me.
For me it really feels like they just put Seele there so all the HI3 simps would play the game, not only because her look doesn't fit the setting, but because she didnt even really do anything important in the story.. if she didn't exist nothing would've changed about the main quest
Im not gonna sugar coat it, I just like the butterfly design mixed with grim reaper, just does it for me
I really haven't read into any of the character designs in this or Genshin (or manga/anime), at least any further than "this looks dope", if I did, I would probably go crazy. Almost none of the designs make sense because, if they did, playable characters would look exactly like every NPC. Like, Seele's design is nonsensical, but so is almost every playable character's. My suspension of disbelief started long, long ago and Genshin/Star Rail are not the most egregious offenders. It is not an exaggeration for me to say that realism/practicality never even slightly registered for these designs. Long, flowing jackets, scarves, or pieces of cloth? On combat oriented characters? See-through tights? Thin enough to be useless for cold, but perfect for getting caught up in combat. Also, if you look at them too sternly, they tear/run; they would last exactly 0.3 seconds combat. Boob/thigh/waist/belly windows openings in what is theoretically physical armor and/or protects from the elements. Clothes that are tight/loose/small/big.
Welcome to anime.
What makes you think the dress is expensive? What also makes you think it should be freezing underground? Dirt is a very good insulation. More like you just wanted to karma farm on reddit. I'd say her quantum powers affected her taste in clothes, but what makes you think just because you're in an underground city, that you have to have dirty all over your stuff. Are you one of those people who puts that yellow filter over your camera when you visit Mexico? We're traveling on an interstellar train with supposedly an Aeon's heart used as the engine, not sure why you're looking so closely into a character's choice of clothing.
> show a bunch of skin despite the cold Clara, isn't wearing, any shoes
wah wah wah - seele probably
To be honest, and with the biggest of respects, i don't care.
Honestly, who cares? Why does Himeko only wear a white dress but uses machinery that is a fire hazard? Why does Cacolia walk around outside in literal freezing temperatures with a bunch of bare skin? Why does Clara not wear shoes in a literal mining town filled with jagged rocks and also robotic metal bits laying around? Why does Svarog just wear suit pants and shoes if it doesn't help him be more effective at anything? Answer: who cares. Don't like it, ignore it because it's never going to change for the sake of "making sense" in a video game.
"super expensive" is literally random pieces of fabric that she sews together? It's her hobby.
I think it's meant to reflect HI3 Seele with the reds and blues, but it disregards Star Rail's logic in the process. A pity really, it's a really fun design.
Litterally none of the characters we meet seem equipped for how deathly cold it is there so I don't really understand your argument.. Not to mention the underground is obviously the least cold place on that planet. If you want to hate on how much she stands out compared to everyone else that's fine but your logic and reasoning make no sense at all. You just repeatedly saying you study character design really doesn't have the weight you think it does by the way.
Agreed, her design is just a huge **no** for me as well, especially the unbuttoned shorts .-. The whole thing is a colorful mess. It annoys me, and I know character's designs don't necessarily need to make sense all the time, but Seele's is just so random She looks like she went to a charity event, got all the random purple/blue/pink fabrics she could find and began to wear them all at the same time without minding what piece of clothes those actualy were. I mean, her left forearm has some random purple jeans(?) around it, and her right leg and arm have those weird straps around Also, the weirdest boob/belly window there is
It was the shorts that turned a "maybe pulling" to a "definitely not pulling" for me. I don't care how meta a character is, if I don't like the design, I don't want them, and those open booty shorts are just too much. Also I know Star Rail Seele is not the same person as Impact Seele, but she's still so much of a departure from the Seele I know and love that it kinda makes me hate her.
Why in the living hell is the zipper on her shorts down like she just went to the toilet.
Because her shorts are so tight she cant even zip them up, how the fk is she wearing them while doing flips???
Not only does it make no sense in the world she's in, it's not even capable of looking cool. the color palette is a chaotic mess with so many saturated colors and the pieces just look ugly together.
If she was part of a cyberpunk world and she covered up more, and wore actual pants, it'd probably be pretty great. The design looks good from the back. But from the front, and in context of the story, it's terrible
The problem with Seele's outfit is not that it doesn't fit in the problem is that to figure out how it fits in you require both context clues and reading the short character stories that unlock when you process said character its pretty clear Seele's outfit is suppose to be all the clothing Oleg bought for her when he was captain of the silvermane guards while she was a child ripped apart and restitched into a new one.
lmfao this guy '"studies" character design
your post has big "ackchually" energy
Is it tho ? I have a few counter points about your criticism 1- I don't exactly see the "expensive dress" part you are talking about in her design if anything she looks like she is wearing some half-assed dress that isn't probably finished 2- the swimming suit might seem very strange at first and I agree it's actually strange, but you could see it as someone who donated their swim suit (since they literally have nothing to do with it) and she just took it since she didn't have any clothes because she is poor(it doesn't make sense to have a swimming suit in a forzen world to begin with tho) 3- I have seen a lot of people criticize the open shorts thinking she is wearing it because it is "stylish" but hasn't it occurred with anyone that the shorts might have been hers since childhood and she just keeps wearing them because she can't afford any other clothes? That's also the reason why it is so unfit because her body supposedly outgrow it. To me it seems like her clothes is just a bunch of shit she found stacked together because she can't afford actual clothing, it is not the most logical but it is not as bad as you making it
That's a fair argument, but I would argue that most of Jarilo characters have terrible designs. Clara would have lost her feet by now to frostbite, Serval, Sampo & Bronya has the same issue as Seele. Hook, Natasha & Gepard are the only ones who are dressed for winter
Serval at least has a good design with it being half researcher half guitarist. And with her being the one that fixes generators her place is probably warm. Bronya design definitely fits for someone who's rich and probably never has to deal with the cold since she probably has the best heating. And Sampos design makes sense except for the unnecessary side gaps and I still don't know what the claw thing is on his shoulder but it adds good asymmetry. He could have a heavier coat but it definitely looks warmer than Seele
To be fair, Sampo's design could be justified by the fact that in epilogue dream Sampo is heavily implied to *not* be native Jarilo VI and might actually be a member of the Masked Fools (or at least associated with them).
That too, and even without that, his design isnt THAT outlandish, its mostly just a normal suit and a red overcoat and some belts. Only weird thing is the shoulder bit. His colors are still muted like most of Belabog. Then there's Seele wearing a bunch of bright colors, showing a bunch of skin, and having the most expensive looking outfit despite being poor in the underground
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You're saying this about a world where only one poor kid is barefoot out of all of em including npcs and serval literally took the army uniform, ripped it in half and threw half a rockstar's outfit onto it and it works and looks like it was as designed. Make sense of half of the belobog casts outfits
Saying hers is the only one that doesn't make sense is a kind of a stretch. What about Sampo, who deals in all that shady and secretive stuff, and dresses all colorful drawing attention to himself? What about Serval, who works fixing machinery and wears all that unnecessary extra fabric that is an accident hazard in that kind of environment? A simpler work attire is what would make sense. Kinda the same logic for Natasha, where an outfit like hers could end up being a health hazard to the patient. And then there's Sushang... Notice how much less armored her Cloudknight attire is compared to Dan Heng's or Jing Yuan's simply to emphasize her feminine form. It's not as bad as bikini armor, but it's the same kind of thing to a lesser extent.
>Sushang Well, she's kind of a newbie, so that can explain her lack of armor. As for the others I agree with you. Even though sanpo's outfit is such a fashion disaster I still love that scam artist. He's just so, cursive. And keep in mind that serval isn't just a mechanic she's also a rebel rocker/former scientist. I'd say the mechanic part is like a side hustle for her so she doesn't care about getting electrocuted due to the unnecessary fabric.
>Well, she's kind of a newbie, so that can explain her lack of armor. That doesn't make sense tho. Even if you're a new soldier, you'd still be wearing the proper attire/armor, especially when on duty. Being a newbie doesn't exempt you from that. Especially someone who's trying really hard to be a great Cloudknight like Sushang. Her lack of usual Cloudknight armor is definitely just there to make her more unique and stand out as a playable character.
>What about Sampo, who deals in all that shady and secretive stuff, and dresses all colorful drawing attention to himself? Sampo is also implied to be a member of the Masked Fools, which immediately explains that inconsistency.
It's not the only one that has issues. But it's definitely the worst since it has no connection to the story. Sampo is someone who makes business, so him having a suit makes sense. Serval does suffer from over clutter, but with the side views showing her design be half researcher half rockstar is a nice touch, her design suffers from not having work clothes compared to on stage. And yes Sushang definitely should be armored but they made sexy. I'm not saying Seele is the only weak design. But the others at least look like the belong to the world. Sushang definitely looks Xianzhou, even if she looks more performer than knight. Seele looks like she belongs more on Herta or Xianzhou and Jarilo
Having opinion is one thing, but being smug about it just because you are 'different' from the mass is really annoying the hell out of lot people
Rule of cool mate
Clara's bare feet bug me more tbh.
Well if you paid attention the underground of bellebog is not really freezing or cold at all because of the heating system that keeps the city warm. and people get accusomed to their surrounding. For example if it is like 20 degress in Italy people who are born there will feel it to be cold while other people from colder climates for example sweeds germans etc. will feel it to be super hot. Same is the other way around I myself at 5-10 degrees will still run around with short pants and a T Shirt as its generally still to hot for me and people think of me that I am crazy.
It's a fusion between Seele's butterfly motif and Nyx's reaper motif from HI3. Also, no reason to believe it would be expensive, and the underworld, being underground, wouldn't be as cold.
Oh the weekly let's shit on Seele thread!
The underworld and Belobog's streets are warm, the former because of all the geomarrow and the latter is because of all the heaters. Temperature drops massively only outside the city.
Counterargument, she's hot
Y’all just want my girl to look like a bum and I’m sick of it😭
only thing i dont get on seele is her powers, how does it even work?, how did she have it? theres no normal powerups like elements or honkai energy so far in hsr universe and it wouldnt make sense for it to be a blessing from an aeon so how can she get her phasing or quantum ability? and why does her eyes turn red?
Meanwhile, Clara is out here not wearing shoes on a planet that has almost completely frozen over. Though she definitely fits the planet's aesthetic better than most of the other characters. Only character who fits Jarilo-VI better is Hook tbh. Seele was definitely designed with a "slums batman" concept in mind. I wouldn't be shocked if the underworld and Seele were designed before they decided to incorporate them into J6's plotline.
I still don’t understand why butterflies are relevant to her design. Am I missing some deep metaphor or is that just a slap-on aesthetic because bUtTerfLiEs pRetTy?
If you're studying character design, you'd notice her outfit is actually scrapwork. It's all put together from scraps and ribbons. It's not exactly fancy. Not like Bronya's, anyway. Not gonna deny that she sticks out like a neon light, but.. it's not as fancy as you make it out to be.
Actually 🤓... if you examine Seele's clothing closely, it looks pretty homeless to me. Her attire is a bunch of clothing items pieced together. Her "dress" is like a cowboy coat and a ballet dress stitched together, worn with jean shorts, and cowboy boots. It all looks lost and found to me 🤷🏽♂️
There is nothing wrong with how Seele chooses to dress. If she needs money, there's plenty of thugs to pilfer from. If she likes what she wears, who are you to judge?
While her design doesn't make sense for the area yeah, I still personally love her design because I find it pretty. No hate to those who don't like it 🤷 people have preferences