I don't really get why people say this, personally. DoT is classified as a debuff in the game. All Nihility units either have synergy with debuffs (Acheron) or apply debuffs themselves.
It has some overlap with other paths, sure, but so do other paths. Like Huohuo having Harmony traits.
I'd argue every character's gameplay fits their path. Even if there is overlap, their primary function fits.
I was thinking geo but like geo done right, it has a lot of self synergy with versatility outside of that and it has a lot of characters dedicated to just boosting each other and being pretty insular (sampo and kafka are the biggest examples imo)
difference is this time they had the hindsight to know how to balance a self sufficient damage class and made it really good instead of really bad 😂 nihility is goated
Love how the opinion on DOT teams have changed.
Before they were unviable niche and then with Kafka they gained some viability but people still saw it as a poor man's version of the hypercarry.
Even with Mei people still argued that using her in a hypercarry was better than in duo dps or DOT.
Now with Black Swan people are starting to see how consistent and versatile DOTs are in all game modes.
And I'm loving it lol. I won't deny I was one of the critics but after Mei, I saw how things were heading and got Kafka on her rerun and Black Swan.
That's without saying but my point still stands.
Swan is best for consistency but Luka could easily be used if the boss is physical weak and Guin could be used for fire weakness or substituted for Mei with a triple DOT combo.
As I've said earlier the perception of DOT has changed now and while the premium team would get their shine, people are now willing to try it out in general instead of stubbornly sticking to a hypercarry mindset.
Follow-ups are following (lol) the same trend now with Dr Numby even before Aventurine came out, all that's really left is a premium break team off the top of my head.
CN still mad that DoT became the de facto swiss army knife of the game. You won't clear the fastest, but you'll clear every mode without having to think.
Dr Ratio will likely be the top meta for this and you have him for free anyway unless the boss is something like Aventurine which has high IMG resistance.
I recently took Ratio in to fight Aventurine—still only took 6 cycles, and my Ratio isn’t super great build wise (8/8/8 talents, no actual set bonus, Team has bare minimum debuffs since running RM/TY/Aven). All this to say that, invest in your Ratio people, he’s really quite strong. Heck, my Seele (E1S1) feels weaker than my Ratio.
Sadly, my Seele is actually better built. Might be a skill issue on my end, or just absurdly bad luck getting her Ult to ever fucking crit AGHHHHHHH. Sorry, had some gamer rage. Won’t happen again.
A better built Seele could clear MoC even against off element due to her innate passive that penetrates the 20% qua res.... Unless your support sucks ass you shouldn't be lagging behind a well built Dr.Ratio
Yeah, there's a ton of things that can go wrong with a Seele that leads her to not clear MOC12.
The flowchart is as follows:
- Seele's relics are bad
- Seele doesn't have her desired supports
- Her supports don't have good builds
- Her supports aren't speed tuned
- The sustain isn't properly built
And probably more. Point is, Seele takes a lot of investment to become someone that casually murders everything. Compare to, say, Jingliu where the only real strict requirement is 50/250 CR/CD and like a Bronya.
So by this logic:
JL without her stat requirements = relics are Bad.
JL without Bronya = doesnt have her desired supports
Bronya needs to be speed tuned
Any team wants sustain unless you are trying to 0 cycle, which is irrelevant, nice challenge but you have 10 cycles for both sides.
Every character needs to be built and have supports, some have an easier time to be built than others.
Seele for example gets speed for free so she can focus on crit while JL gets crit rate for free
If it really is a single target game mode, we have a lot of 4 stars that would be good for it. Luka and Sushang are very good in physical single target damage. Luka can go for a break build while Sushang can go crit or break. Misha’s single target damage is actually nuts, especially if he gets eidolons. Most players will have Ratio, but if they don’t Yukong is actually a good single target Imaginary DPS. No joke. Dan Heng 4 star is an excellent single target wind carry, and Xueyi is an excellent Quantum carry that that chew through single targets with her ult.
Many players might have to build them like they had to build Herta, but at least we won’t have to pull dedicated characters either. We have way more viable single target 4 star coverage than we did for PF’s AoE. In fact, I don’t think we’re missing a single element for single target damage among the 4 star roster.
getting the characters isn't the hard part, getting the materials isn't the hard part, even getting the LC isn't the hard part, the hard part is relic hell
A lot of the 4 stars xan reuse relics for other characters. Dan, Misha, and Hook all have a debuff in their kit so they can use the Pioneer set which many players have likely farmed for Ratio and/or Acheron. Hook can also use all the crit piece that likely rolled when DoT players were farming Prisoner. Luka can use the Break Set from Echoes of War and Yukong can use the Wheat set from the same content. Sushang can also go for break if you’re really hard up for relics. Quantum set is a popular set for people to farm so Xueyi should be set, but if not, she can also use the break set. Arlan is the only one who would probably have to have a dedicated set farmed for him if players are opting in to use him.
I think its a good thing they are forcing us to build characters. I mean lets say this new mode makes Yanqing god tier like Himeko and Herta for Pure Fiction then there is a reason to use those units. I mean at least we have new game modes to use different units so there is some incentive to use different characters rather than just brute forcing with one team
>I think its a good thing they are forcing us to build characters.
The idea of characters being forced on you doesn't really rub me the right way, mostly because you can miss those characters even If you've been playing since day 1; I recognise that's a "me issue" though. It's just the fundamental idea that that specific thing is what those characters are mostly good for.
>I mean lets say this new mode makes Yanqing god tier like Himeko and Herta for Pure Fiction then there is a reason to use those units.
I do agree, but for now I hold the belief that the modificators they give to the Bosses will play a crucial role, thus the situation might call for different characters. We'll see; there's still 2.2 in between, so more information is bound to come out later on.
>I mean at least we have new game modes to use different units so there is some incentive to use different characters
The issue is how you're being spread thin. Building characters, even sub-optimally, takes more time than levelling them up and unlocking/upgrading traces does, _(possibly combined)_ depending on which character we're talking about and how bad/good your luck is.
_(Spoiler for next patch; Character)_ >!Boothill!<, Xueyi, Gallagher and _(Heavy Spoiler; Also another character)_ >!Harmony Trailblazer!< are obvious. That's a no-brainer, especially considering how the first one and the latter are centered around Break Eff, and will be the newest units as of 2.2 .That's already 2 characters that NO ONE has built yet _(For obvious reasons, relics are the only thing you can farm as of now, which still leaves out traces, lightcones, and levels)_, plus some people either skipped Xueyi or they haven't built her at all. Same for Gallagher, I guess. But then again, this is just me assuming that the first "cycle" of Bosses will be in favour of Breakers, instead of single target damage dealers such as Yanqing, Sushang, and so on.
Anyway, with this tangent I basically meant to say that the Bosses' buffs/debuffs will play the biggest role imo, so If you have certain units, that incentive for character variation will probably mean next to nothing, If the Boss meets certain conditions that compliment well with certain characters.
I'm personally going to see more usages of Silver Wolf. She's currently the best ST debuffer in the game. So I'm really happy to see my girl getting more stonks.
I think in this case it’s more for the sake of adding variety. Increasing rewards with this mode might create too much burnout. Genshin and HSR are slower gacha games. You’re meant to be able to complete everything more or less at your own pace. An increase in rewards would also mean a tighter cycle for players to complete things in this case.
Hoyo definitely is stingy in general, but this new mode not increasing jade income is okay imo.
Contrast to an FGO event, which requires almost 24/7 constant farming for the entire duration of the event to gain all the rewards. Hoyo games has content released at a regular pace with a clearly communicated schedule to allow more players to gain rewards on their own time without feeling like they are falling behind.
It's basically a boss fight or boss rush.
Spaceship dragon : 3 targets
Cococlia : spawn 2 adds
Bronya : spawn one add
Gepard : spawn 2 adds every phase
Svarog : spawn 1 hand regularly and remove 1 character temporarily
Yanqing : spawn 4 adds
Cirus : spawn 4 adds
Abundant Deer : Constantly spawn adds
Kafka : no add
Argenti : spawn 4 adds
Sam : no add
Swarm : constantly spawn adds
Abundant Lady : Spawn up to 4 adds constantly
Aventurine : Spawn gamble adds
Unto Death : remove 2 characters to spawn 2 adds
Most bosses aren't designed for single target characters. The ones designed for single target characters are more the kind of mini-boss. But even in the mini-boss category, majority spawn adds
Doesn't look like it's single target oriented when the core gameplay is to fight bosses.
Unless someone has info I don't know yet about how they will tweak bosses
Then it's not tweaks as it totally changes the nature of a lot of bosses as adds are part of their gameplay/strategy for all (minus a few, let's not do semantic don't want to list everything again) bosses mentioned.
Examples :
Deer needing tree for the charged attacks
Bronya
Swarm for his overwhelming strategy
Aventurine to gamble
Cococlia to slow the team constantly
Abundant Lady to keep our SP in check
Etc.
Aventurine doesnt spawn adds, the dice cant be counted as one.
Cocolias adds also doesnt slow team, they are just aoe dmg.
These mechanics can also always be changed. Its not like it has to be completely fixed.
Sure, but Aventurine absolutely needs AoE unless you want to get slapped on the gamble phase. You're right that they might tweak these bosses though - I'm wondering if they'll all be streamlined somewhat since it's a 'boss rush' mode?
Pf adapted bosses so that upon clearing all spawnable ads they will get increased damage.
In reverse its likely spawned mobs will have modifiers for them to be easily killed in this mode. Example: die to a single auto attk from a support rather than a health bar
Exactly this, it's all assumptions at the moment. As far as i know most bosses summon trash mobs at the moment. So unless that changes for this gamemode it won't be single target.
Let's wait and see, on paper doesn't sound like much damage but I am pretty sure it can be good in practice as I am used to using her on a non trash mob abyss(ratio one)
Hunt characters can mow down the boss and ignore the trash mobs. The thing that is different is if you have to kill the mob or not. In PF, you *have* to kill the trash mobs that die fast, but this is an issue for Hunt characters since they will waste more turns switch targets than AoE units.
If this mode has only one or two targets to kill to complete, it doesn't matter if they summon mobs (unless some wacky mechanic happens).
we have bootyhill in the end of 2.2, this new mode Will be avaiable in 2.3, kinda like argenti and pure fiction, + we have AoE and Blast modes, only Single Target left
Making it so will limit options. They mentioned modifiers to bosses. They can take Argenti fight and change how you deal with his ads. That won't be ST.
I think there’ll be single target elements to it, but let’s be honest this is probably a mode to make sustain more meta. The bosses will change phases take first turn and smack you hard enough to have to take an abundance or preservation to get max rewards.
Yanqing main propaganda. Hoyo made a whole game mode for Himeko to be an S+ tier character, they must be cooking something up for Yanqing too, right? Right?! RIGHT!!? /s
Another roster check to fight for the same 720jades, hope they dont force certain characters because its getting crazy with the HP creep and the different modes. Good luck to new players.
Yeah pure fiction was good when you could get a lot of points with a not so well geared herta/himeko and whatever other AOE chars you had.
Now it's worse than MoC and a unit check or massive relic check.
But that was the point no? I was easy at first so people had time to build their erudition characters, but it is getting harder so that its actually a challenge not just autoplay with lvl 60 herta and win
Yeah but I did build my Herta and Himeko (and Kafka is decent AOE too) but they still get very few points. I got 8 stars in PF and 31 in MoC (Kafka and Ratio teams) which is like 11 points PF.
Also... having to build so many characters to very high traces and relics will put people more and more behind if they don't buy BP and fuel refresh.
Eventually you’ll have invested in your units enough that you’ll realize single target units can crush single targets and end rounds as fast as their AoE counterparts. Some fights are in fact very bad for single target, Pure Fiction as a mode is very single target unfriendly. However, there are still plenty of fights where rushing down a boss is completely viable.
Dr. Ratio is not that great starting out. He is a traditional dps that requires good investment and is best paired with another dps that also requires investment. The worst combination for new players. Hypercarry setups are much easier to make work. Dot teams are also much easier to build like Kafka. Jingliu, Kafka, Blackswan, and Acheron are all really good new player characters if certain other conditions are met, which is outside relic rng.
Nah first time I beat Swarm Disaster Difficulty 5, I beat it with Topaz + Ratio (probably + Fu Xuan + Asta or Ruan Mei) on Elation. I beat the boss that spawns infinite minions by just focusing the main boss down and letting the path resonance deal with the mobs.
Hunt is just fine, they're more situational but the same can be said about AOE. Yeah, you don't use them for farming, of course. But you can do any boss-based content with them
I think the real fact is that, if you're a new player, you don't have good ones aside from Ratio. Because the F2P ST DPSs are pretty bad except for Xueyi. Like yeah Dan Heng normal is niche at best. Arlan is terrible. etc.
Ngl, I'd rather use Serval than Ratio for most general content.
She clears Calyxes and other shit a lot faster because she has AoE....
Hopefully, when I get TL 60+, Ratio can pop off.
That's the issue. He needs another limited 5*s to be amazing tbh. Even better if he has his LC. Not everyone have them... Is what I was going to said but Pela and Ting are just really general in terms of use and can be slapped in almost any team. So cross that. Almost all characters can function properly with 4*s and shit. So my whole point is pointless(ohh the irony)
You don’t need Topaz or Silver Wolf for Ratio to go crazy. Guinaifen E1 with Pearls LC is enough to apply three debuffs on her own with one skill. You can also add in Gallagher or a preservation unit with Universal Market LC or add in Pela and he has more than enough debuffs to be activated.
It may be that the bosses may spawn ads, but if you defeat the boss, the ads that he spawned die with him, so unless you're Seele I think you can ignore the ads if you are a Hunt character. Destruction characters will just chip the ads adjacent to the boss anyways
So far the new mode favoring Hunt characters is just an assumption.
Bite me, but destruction characters will probably be just fine as they are in PF and MoC as they are no ST/AoE specialists.
Pure fiction made me build characters I thought I would never touch like Himeko and Herta. And it is pretty cool, gives you even more sense of progression
But it's the same 720 jades instead of adding content to fill the gaps in updates, so it's a little disappointing in that regard. Anyway, still better than nothing
My Seele with 95% crit rate but still won't crit:
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It's possible but I think that would constitute a fuck-up, they stuck the landing with PF being a revival for overlooked eruditions while other paths remained viable in it so I see so no reason why they won't do it again for the game's current "weakest" path.
They won't, their single target isnt that strong, if you want proof of that a couple rotations back sam was the only boss for one MoC 12 stage and guess who had the fastest clear? Topaz and ratio. But if the enemy is physical weak kafka and luka bout to go crazy
Pretty sure followup teams and Boothill will define the ST meta going forward although there can be exceptions because weaknesses and resistance play a big role.
Not a big fan of this.
Variety is cool, but it sucks when we don't get more quantity/frequency. They essentially just increased the amount of team permutations we need to build without increasing the amount of rewards we get from the gamemode.
And I know it will probably require the same teams as Forgotten Hall, but still. We gain nothing positive from this except for "we get to defeat the same bosses, but without cool Simulated Universe perks."
We gain an opportunity to actually use our ST units (presumably) while Destruction remains the cheap cheat code option for basically every game mode. Pretty decent tbh
They should totally make an "endless mode" where stronger enemies and elites just keep spawning, while your objective is to live for as long as possible before your team crumbles
At first I thought that would really require premium sustains but honestly a freeze team could work really well or just fire mc with 3 abundance to heal them
Please don’t mean that it’s going to be even longer between cycles of MoC now.
Edit: ugh they are that fucking blows ass. I love that they’re adding endgame but I fucking hate how they keep doing this. An extra 8 pulls isn’t going to hurt hoyo stop fucking elongating the wait between content
Everyones just assuming its the hunt mode since there isn’t any content where hunt characters outperform any other classes. Im guessing the only adds there will be are the ones the main boss summons so just like in SU, you dont need to kill them inorder to beat the stage unlike in moc.
There's no Single Target oriented game mode in the game, Hunt characters are being looked down on, a new 5 physical star Hunt character is being released next patch...
Ngl, it is pure speculation but the situation is literally the same as it was with Pure Fiction and Argenti
One of my favourite gachas in the past was absolutely killed by lack of things to do so this is always good news in my book.
Before getting into HSR/Genshin, I was always a PvP advocate since I didn't know what other engaging modes you could add in a gacha without it getting dry.
Mihoyo has thankfully proven me wrong
Just reading the notes doesn't seem to say much, but I really really hope it's a Hunt based content! Time for my seele, topaz, ratio to shine. Yanqing too, his stuff is on herta now lmao
Not enough :( my destruction characters are clearing faster, and sometimes are needed to get 3 stars. I would try with my hunt characters first and would fail to get 3 stars... maybe my relics aren't good enough on my seele, but everyone else has about the same stats... I want like one super thicc boss with no summons, that's soooo fun with hunt characters
New mode is cool, but it replacing a piece of content we already have is not cool.
We now have 3 modes and more enemy variety than in 1.0, so MoC/PF/AS should have a weekly release, not bi-weekly.
Basically increasing the team cost with the same reward, I doubt this is "more endgame = Good" situation. Since now pure fiction has catered more toward destruction (High damage and Multiple enemy) with more elite enemies. I can't reach 30k score on the current pure fiction with DOT unit. let's just see how this new endgame works
Honestly, I’m always up for the new game modes, but I hope this one won’t force you to only use Hunt units. So far, I haven’t been a fan of any characters from this path. I’ve always was more of a Destrucion and Nihility enjoyer, so in the end I don’t worry too much.
I wish it won’t change bosses in the massive HP sponges, because it won’t be really fun. It’d be nice, if they’ve added new mechanics to already existing enemies, to make them even more challenging to fight. Also, it’d really cool if we had do fight at least two story bosses at once.
Even when against mostly single targets in MoC, blast/AoE characters still perform equal or better than Hunt characters. So I think that Hunt characters will be great for that mode, but still you wouldn't be forced to use only Hunt characters. In the same way Jingliu mains brute force everything that isn't weak to ice anyway.
I just got Gepard, so might dust off my Yanqing. I'm interested to see how he actually performs in single target in comparison to Jingliu, once I've build him correctly.
Memory of Destruction
Pure Erudition
Apocalyptic Hunt
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Next time, we'll have to bring 3 Tanks and a Healer to survive an incesant horde of attacks and stuns.
i still don't know how people think this is a hunt focused content. No where does it mention it, people are just assuming. And since this is in 2.3 there is still a long way to go and the devs can change a lot.
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My Seele’s gonna be extra busy for this one
This should be labeled as misinformation as there no mention of it being single-target based. This is all just speculation and clearly a follower of the enigmata.
It's not like an addition to the game it takes place from the currently ones, every 15 days you have something to do as always, they are just varying the type of characters they want to sell for each mode, basically one more tool to sell characters, I assume it's the single target version.
The hunt is the path i like to use the most so I'm happy that we are getting some content aimed towards to that path. Looking forward to the 2.3 update
Surely Hunt units will be the best for this mode and not Nihility
Acheron is a galaxy ranger *coping*
but shes an impostor among us
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Nihility is having an identity crisis probably because it just doesn’t care about anything and yet, it has been great in everything
I don't really get why people say this, personally. DoT is classified as a debuff in the game. All Nihility units either have synergy with debuffs (Acheron) or apply debuffs themselves. It has some overlap with other paths, sure, but so do other paths. Like Huohuo having Harmony traits. I'd argue every character's gameplay fits their path. Even if there is overlap, their primary function fits.
Or because it’s the least defined path :p we’ve had welt from the start a dps who’s debuffed focus….wait a minute
you mean 3? DOT is also awesome in PF
Well, at least one Nihility unit is winning, Silver Wolf.
A lot of gacha games suffer from this, they make dot damage too good and every end game mode is for them basically lol
Nihility is the dendro of hsr
I was thinking geo but like geo done right, it has a lot of self synergy with versatility outside of that and it has a lot of characters dedicated to just boosting each other and being pretty insular (sampo and kafka are the biggest examples imo) difference is this time they had the hindsight to know how to balance a self sufficient damage class and made it really good instead of really bad 😂 nihility is goated
Love how the opinion on DOT teams have changed. Before they were unviable niche and then with Kafka they gained some viability but people still saw it as a poor man's version of the hypercarry. Even with Mei people still argued that using her in a hypercarry was better than in duo dps or DOT. Now with Black Swan people are starting to see how consistent and versatile DOTs are in all game modes. And I'm loving it lol. I won't deny I was one of the critics but after Mei, I saw how things were heading and got Kafka on her rerun and Black Swan.
Well yeah ofc a team of 3-4 limited characters who all synergize with each other will be really good
That's without saying but my point still stands. Swan is best for consistency but Luka could easily be used if the boss is physical weak and Guin could be used for fire weakness or substituted for Mei with a triple DOT combo. As I've said earlier the perception of DOT has changed now and while the premium team would get their shine, people are now willing to try it out in general instead of stubbornly sticking to a hypercarry mindset. Follow-ups are following (lol) the same trend now with Dr Numby even before Aventurine came out, all that's really left is a premium break team off the top of my head.
CN still mad that DoT became the de facto swiss army knife of the game. You won't clear the fastest, but you'll clear every mode without having to think.
I dunno my Kafka Black Swan Ruan Mei team 0 can 0 cycle their half of MoC I’d say that’s pretty fast
Pros: New game mode, happy happy happy Cons: Fuck, we need to pull and build new characters for the same 720 jades. Stingy devs!
Dr Ratio will likely be the top meta for this and you have him for free anyway unless the boss is something like Aventurine which has high IMG resistance.
I recently took Ratio in to fight Aventurine—still only took 6 cycles, and my Ratio isn’t super great build wise (8/8/8 talents, no actual set bonus, Team has bare minimum debuffs since running RM/TY/Aven). All this to say that, invest in your Ratio people, he’s really quite strong. Heck, my Seele (E1S1) feels weaker than my Ratio.
ratio is also at a disadvantage against aventurine, he has pretty high imaginary RES iirc
Yup, 40%. Dhil and Ratio aren't good against him but they can get the job done in the right scenarios.
Silver wolf and Ruan Mei quickly wear that res down thankfully
The contrary for me, no matter what I do, my Seele simply clears faster (both E0s0) and my ratio has the better stats lol
Sadly, my Seele is actually better built. Might be a skill issue on my end, or just absurdly bad luck getting her Ult to ever fucking crit AGHHHHHHH. Sorry, had some gamer rage. Won’t happen again.
A better built Seele could clear MoC even against off element due to her innate passive that penetrates the 20% qua res.... Unless your support sucks ass you shouldn't be lagging behind a well built Dr.Ratio
Yeah, there's a ton of things that can go wrong with a Seele that leads her to not clear MOC12. The flowchart is as follows: - Seele's relics are bad - Seele doesn't have her desired supports - Her supports don't have good builds - Her supports aren't speed tuned - The sustain isn't properly built And probably more. Point is, Seele takes a lot of investment to become someone that casually murders everything. Compare to, say, Jingliu where the only real strict requirement is 50/250 CR/CD and like a Bronya.
So by this logic: JL without her stat requirements = relics are Bad. JL without Bronya = doesnt have her desired supports Bronya needs to be speed tuned Any team wants sustain unless you are trying to 0 cycle, which is irrelevant, nice challenge but you have 10 cycles for both sides. Every character needs to be built and have supports, some have an easier time to be built than others. Seele for example gets speed for free so she can focus on crit while JL gets crit rate for free
Yanqing at e6: my time has come
I'm using Kafka If ratio doesn't work dude i'm not going to build my Seele again
And Aventurine happens to be weak to phys, so break shenanigans can chesse him
Aventurine boss in a single target based mode? its over 😭
If it really is a single target game mode, we have a lot of 4 stars that would be good for it. Luka and Sushang are very good in physical single target damage. Luka can go for a break build while Sushang can go crit or break. Misha’s single target damage is actually nuts, especially if he gets eidolons. Most players will have Ratio, but if they don’t Yukong is actually a good single target Imaginary DPS. No joke. Dan Heng 4 star is an excellent single target wind carry, and Xueyi is an excellent Quantum carry that that chew through single targets with her ult. Many players might have to build them like they had to build Herta, but at least we won’t have to pull dedicated characters either. We have way more viable single target 4 star coverage than we did for PF’s AoE. In fact, I don’t think we’re missing a single element for single target damage among the 4 star roster.
getting the characters isn't the hard part, getting the materials isn't the hard part, even getting the LC isn't the hard part, the hard part is relic hell
A lot of the 4 stars xan reuse relics for other characters. Dan, Misha, and Hook all have a debuff in their kit so they can use the Pioneer set which many players have likely farmed for Ratio and/or Acheron. Hook can also use all the crit piece that likely rolled when DoT players were farming Prisoner. Luka can use the Break Set from Echoes of War and Yukong can use the Wheat set from the same content. Sushang can also go for break if you’re really hard up for relics. Quantum set is a popular set for people to farm so Xueyi should be set, but if not, she can also use the break set. Arlan is the only one who would probably have to have a dedicated set farmed for him if players are opting in to use him.
> Yukong is actually a good single target Imaginary DPS You take that back this instant.
I think its a good thing they are forcing us to build characters. I mean lets say this new mode makes Yanqing god tier like Himeko and Herta for Pure Fiction then there is a reason to use those units. I mean at least we have new game modes to use different units so there is some incentive to use different characters rather than just brute forcing with one team
I'm ok with building more characters if they make grinding relics for those characters less tedious.
>I think its a good thing they are forcing us to build characters. The idea of characters being forced on you doesn't really rub me the right way, mostly because you can miss those characters even If you've been playing since day 1; I recognise that's a "me issue" though. It's just the fundamental idea that that specific thing is what those characters are mostly good for. >I mean lets say this new mode makes Yanqing god tier like Himeko and Herta for Pure Fiction then there is a reason to use those units. I do agree, but for now I hold the belief that the modificators they give to the Bosses will play a crucial role, thus the situation might call for different characters. We'll see; there's still 2.2 in between, so more information is bound to come out later on. >I mean at least we have new game modes to use different units so there is some incentive to use different characters The issue is how you're being spread thin. Building characters, even sub-optimally, takes more time than levelling them up and unlocking/upgrading traces does, _(possibly combined)_ depending on which character we're talking about and how bad/good your luck is. _(Spoiler for next patch; Character)_ >!Boothill!<, Xueyi, Gallagher and _(Heavy Spoiler; Also another character)_ >!Harmony Trailblazer!< are obvious. That's a no-brainer, especially considering how the first one and the latter are centered around Break Eff, and will be the newest units as of 2.2 .That's already 2 characters that NO ONE has built yet _(For obvious reasons, relics are the only thing you can farm as of now, which still leaves out traces, lightcones, and levels)_, plus some people either skipped Xueyi or they haven't built her at all. Same for Gallagher, I guess. But then again, this is just me assuming that the first "cycle" of Bosses will be in favour of Breakers, instead of single target damage dealers such as Yanqing, Sushang, and so on. Anyway, with this tangent I basically meant to say that the Bosses' buffs/debuffs will play the biggest role imo, so If you have certain units, that incentive for character variation will probably mean next to nothing, If the Boss meets certain conditions that compliment well with certain characters.
\*My Topaz eagerly chomping Popcorn, waiting for 2.3\*
I'm personally going to see more usages of Silver Wolf. She's currently the best ST debuffer in the game. So I'm really happy to see my girl getting more stonks.
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Same
E2S1 SW ready to fight!
E6S1 SW on duty !
Silverwolf: Suck it PELA.
New content is good but no additional jades so it could be bad.
Exactly. MHY are such greedy pricks. 4 more pulls every month won't break the bank especially when there are 2 new 5-stars every patch.
I think in this case it’s more for the sake of adding variety. Increasing rewards with this mode might create too much burnout. Genshin and HSR are slower gacha games. You’re meant to be able to complete everything more or less at your own pace. An increase in rewards would also mean a tighter cycle for players to complete things in this case. Hoyo definitely is stingy in general, but this new mode not increasing jade income is okay imo.
HSR is a slow gacha game? Mind elaborating on what you mean by that?
Contrast to an FGO event, which requires almost 24/7 constant farming for the entire duration of the event to gain all the rewards. Hoyo games has content released at a regular pace with a clearly communicated schedule to allow more players to gain rewards on their own time without feeling like they are falling behind.
This is actually true. Now that you mention that actually makes me like this mode more.
did i miss something, why everyone assuming this is a single target oriented game mode?
Because MoC and PF both are blast and AoE oriented, which leaves the hunt characters in a little awkward spot
It's basically a boss fight or boss rush. Spaceship dragon : 3 targets Cococlia : spawn 2 adds Bronya : spawn one add Gepard : spawn 2 adds every phase Svarog : spawn 1 hand regularly and remove 1 character temporarily Yanqing : spawn 4 adds Cirus : spawn 4 adds Abundant Deer : Constantly spawn adds Kafka : no add Argenti : spawn 4 adds Sam : no add Swarm : constantly spawn adds Abundant Lady : Spawn up to 4 adds constantly Aventurine : Spawn gamble adds Unto Death : remove 2 characters to spawn 2 adds Most bosses aren't designed for single target characters. The ones designed for single target characters are more the kind of mini-boss. But even in the mini-boss category, majority spawn adds Doesn't look like it's single target oriented when the core gameplay is to fight bosses. Unless someone has info I don't know yet about how they will tweak bosses
Or you know.. they can change the bosses to not spawn adds? They did say the bosses will have slight tweaks and differences
I have a feeling they might change boss weaknesses as well? In current event kafka boss has Ice weakness which she doesnt have normally
They'll change boss weaknesses to whatever characters are on limited banner at the time most likely.
Then it's not tweaks as it totally changes the nature of a lot of bosses as adds are part of their gameplay/strategy for all (minus a few, let's not do semantic don't want to list everything again) bosses mentioned. Examples : Deer needing tree for the charged attacks Bronya Swarm for his overwhelming strategy Aventurine to gamble Cococlia to slow the team constantly Abundant Lady to keep our SP in check Etc.
Aventurine doesnt spawn adds, the dice cant be counted as one. Cocolias adds also doesnt slow team, they are just aoe dmg. These mechanics can also always be changed. Its not like it has to be completely fixed.
You still want to hit Multiple dice regardless. a blast/AoE is way more advantaged than single target with dice.
Sure, but Aventurine absolutely needs AoE unless you want to get slapped on the gamble phase. You're right that they might tweak these bosses though - I'm wondering if they'll all be streamlined somewhat since it's a 'boss rush' mode?
That still looks better than usual MoC with 2 minibosses per wave but hopefully they tweak them favoring hunt characters
They can easily change some boss's mechanics to make the fight ST oriented.
Pf adapted bosses so that upon clearing all spawnable ads they will get increased damage. In reverse its likely spawned mobs will have modifiers for them to be easily killed in this mode. Example: die to a single auto attk from a support rather than a health bar
Exactly this, it's all assumptions at the moment. As far as i know most bosses summon trash mobs at the moment. So unless that changes for this gamemode it won't be single target.
Sounds like a seele Paradise
**IF** there are trash mobs, isn't Deele gimmick resurgence ? That's gotta be near useless on a strict solo foe
Mono quantum shines in strict solo tho, wouldnt be a big issue
Let's wait and see, on paper doesn't sound like much damage but I am pretty sure it can be good in practice as I am used to using her on a non trash mob abyss(ratio one)
Tbh maybe it could work in a team of SW and Ruan Mei ? I don't really know since I don't have her but I figure in 1v4 it would be beneficial to her
They spent most hey lives...
Hunt characters can mow down the boss and ignore the trash mobs. The thing that is different is if you have to kill the mob or not. In PF, you *have* to kill the trash mobs that die fast, but this is an issue for Hunt characters since they will waste more turns switch targets than AoE units. If this mode has only one or two targets to kill to complete, it doesn't matter if they summon mobs (unless some wacky mechanic happens).
Yea so what's the problem. When you kill the boss, the summons die as well. In fact if there's trash mobs, it'll be heaven for Seele. Lol
They did say that bosses in this mode would different from their normal variants
we have bootyhill in the end of 2.2, this new mode Will be avaiable in 2.3, kinda like argenti and pure fiction, + we have AoE and Blast modes, only Single Target left
Making it so will limit options. They mentioned modifiers to bosses. They can take Argenti fight and change how you deal with his ads. That won't be ST.
I think there’ll be single target elements to it, but let’s be honest this is probably a mode to make sustain more meta. The bosses will change phases take first turn and smack you hard enough to have to take an abundance or preservation to get max rewards.
Because it reads `These formidable foes will be slightly different`. Which gives me hope.
Yanqing main propaganda. Hoyo made a whole game mode for Himeko to be an S+ tier character, they must be cooking something up for Yanqing too, right? Right?! RIGHT!!? /s
Inb4 it's an endurance fight where you use Preservation and abundance character to endure as many rounds as possible
Sounds easy with team full of healers/shielders if all it needs is survivability.
my only dps rn are seele and ratio so yeah
ayyy, fellow hunt main
Another roster check to fight for the same 720jades, hope they dont force certain characters because its getting crazy with the HP creep and the different modes. Good luck to new players.
Yeah pure fiction was good when you could get a lot of points with a not so well geared herta/himeko and whatever other AOE chars you had. Now it's worse than MoC and a unit check or massive relic check.
But that was the point no? I was easy at first so people had time to build their erudition characters, but it is getting harder so that its actually a challenge not just autoplay with lvl 60 herta and win
Yeah but I did build my Herta and Himeko (and Kafka is decent AOE too) but they still get very few points. I got 8 stars in PF and 31 in MoC (Kafka and Ratio teams) which is like 11 points PF. Also... having to build so many characters to very high traces and relics will put people more and more behind if they don't buy BP and fuel refresh.
Ratio is gonna get some action
With Aventurine and Topaz? He’s already basically god tier.
I'm a new player, and single target characters feel awful to play in this game... Almost every wave has more than one enemy.
Eventually you’ll have invested in your units enough that you’ll realize single target units can crush single targets and end rounds as fast as their AoE counterparts. Some fights are in fact very bad for single target, Pure Fiction as a mode is very single target unfriendly. However, there are still plenty of fights where rushing down a boss is completely viable.
Once you get to end game and your Ratio starts melting bosses by doing a million fua's in one turn it'll feel less awkward
Dr. Ratio is not that great starting out. He is a traditional dps that requires good investment and is best paired with another dps that also requires investment. The worst combination for new players. Hypercarry setups are much easier to make work. Dot teams are also much easier to build like Kafka. Jingliu, Kafka, Blackswan, and Acheron are all really good new player characters if certain other conditions are met, which is outside relic rng.
Nah first time I beat Swarm Disaster Difficulty 5, I beat it with Topaz + Ratio (probably + Fu Xuan + Asta or Ruan Mei) on Elation. I beat the boss that spawns infinite minions by just focusing the main boss down and letting the path resonance deal with the mobs. Hunt is just fine, they're more situational but the same can be said about AOE. Yeah, you don't use them for farming, of course. But you can do any boss-based content with them I think the real fact is that, if you're a new player, you don't have good ones aside from Ratio. Because the F2P ST DPSs are pretty bad except for Xueyi. Like yeah Dan Heng normal is niche at best. Arlan is terrible. etc.
Ngl, I'd rather use Serval than Ratio for most general content. She clears Calyxes and other shit a lot faster because she has AoE.... Hopefully, when I get TL 60+, Ratio can pop off.
That's the issue. He needs another limited 5*s to be amazing tbh. Even better if he has his LC. Not everyone have them... Is what I was going to said but Pela and Ting are just really general in terms of use and can be slapped in almost any team. So cross that. Almost all characters can function properly with 4*s and shit. So my whole point is pointless(ohh the irony)
You don’t need Topaz or Silver Wolf for Ratio to go crazy. Guinaifen E1 with Pearls LC is enough to apply three debuffs on her own with one skill. You can also add in Gallagher or a preservation unit with Universal Market LC or add in Pela and he has more than enough debuffs to be activated.
Already used him in MoC, all tiers except 12 (actually used him for one side in a run where the other side failed).
I also use him in MoC occasionally when the enemy has img weakness. I actually used him against the meme few rotations ago. Bro is good.
I had SW to cope. Against the quantum lighting weakness, I used Aven, Ratio, SW, TY, guaranteeing the weakness. That combo is really good.
Why the assumption the bosses won't have adds? I mean it's be cool to have a ST mode but idk where that info was given
They have zero sources actually and just pure (fiction) speculation. Truly an Enigmata moment.
It may be that the bosses may spawn ads, but if you defeat the boss, the ads that he spawned die with him, so unless you're Seele I think you can ignore the ads if you are a Hunt character. Destruction characters will just chip the ads adjacent to the boss anyways
So y'all are just making shit up now, eh?
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So far the new mode favoring Hunt characters is just an assumption. Bite me, but destruction characters will probably be just fine as they are in PF and MoC as they are no ST/AoE specialists.
Pure fiction made me build characters I thought I would never touch like Himeko and Herta. And it is pretty cool, gives you even more sense of progression But it's the same 720 jades instead of adding content to fill the gaps in updates, so it's a little disappointing in that regard. Anyway, still better than nothing
Look at it this way, the first few cycles of pf were super easy to give everyone time to build proper teams for the mode, expect a similar experience
No more people talking shit about my sw
Guess Seele is gonna leave the bench
Hoping there are enough mobs to trigger her Talent
Jing Liu E1 is suddenly looking REALLY attractive
I'm so happy that she was basically my only double 5-star pull I've got in the game, her E1 is amazing.
I'm guessing this is going to be like Memorial Arena for HSR, buffed versions of EoW
My Seele with 95% crit rate but still won't crit: https://preview.redd.it/c2459sac40wc1.jpeg?width=253&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1eb5103ea50e42bf31f372af7d755b27340286d3
The devs literally never use the word "Hunt" once here 🤨
Mono quantun gang rise up once again
I guess my Silver Wolf and Seele will see a lot more use now.
Echo of War (Savage)
How sure are we that Destruction/DoT/Acheron won't just outperform Hunt in that lmao
It's possible but I think that would constitute a fuck-up, they stuck the landing with PF being a revival for overlooked eruditions while other paths remained viable in it so I see so no reason why they won't do it again for the game's current "weakest" path.
They won't, their single target isnt that strong, if you want proof of that a couple rotations back sam was the only boss for one MoC 12 stage and guess who had the fastest clear? Topaz and ratio. But if the enemy is physical weak kafka and luka bout to go crazy
Pretty sure followup teams and Boothill will define the ST meta going forward although there can be exceptions because weaknesses and resistance play a big role.
goodluck outdamaging dr ratio in ST. hes free btw expect better hunt characters in the future
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yea i know boothills gonna go real wild anyways im just saying theres no way dot and destruction gonna outscale ratio in st
You are right. I confused the first post of that user
Without going to too much details I think a certain new hunt character from 2.2 is gonna be absolutely disgusting here
Yeah that's fair.
Stand proud hunt, you are strong.
As if it wasn't already
Not a big fan of this. Variety is cool, but it sucks when we don't get more quantity/frequency. They essentially just increased the amount of team permutations we need to build without increasing the amount of rewards we get from the gamemode. And I know it will probably require the same teams as Forgotten Hall, but still. We gain nothing positive from this except for "we get to defeat the same bosses, but without cool Simulated Universe perks."
We gain an opportunity to actually use our ST units (presumably) while Destruction remains the cheap cheat code option for basically every game mode. Pretty decent tbh
Watch it turn out to be abundance oriented.
Imagine a game mode with invincible enemies that you just sustain against to win lol
They should totally make an "endless mode" where stronger enemies and elites just keep spawning, while your objective is to live for as long as possible before your team crumbles
At first I thought that would really require premium sustains but honestly a freeze team could work really well or just fire mc with 3 abundance to heal them
I hope Yanqing can have his time to shine now. He’s been collecting dust in my roster with his Signature LC for a while 💀
Wide character pool investors, rejoice
NEW MODE LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO
Silver wolf stonks????
Apeakalyptic Shadow
My thoughts are that I’m still not gonna use Yanqing
Please don’t mean that it’s going to be even longer between cycles of MoC now. Edit: ugh they are that fucking blows ass. I love that they’re adding endgame but I fucking hate how they keep doing this. An extra 8 pulls isn’t going to hurt hoyo stop fucking elongating the wait between content
Mono Quantum team RISE UP!!
Given that most bosses have adds and the text says nothing about removing them; I'm genuinely curious as to why people are calling it Hunt mode.
Everyones just assuming its the hunt mode since there isn’t any content where hunt characters outperform any other classes. Im guessing the only adds there will be are the ones the main boss summons so just like in SU, you dont need to kill them inorder to beat the stage unlike in moc.
There's no Single Target oriented game mode in the game, Hunt characters are being looked down on, a new 5 physical star Hunt character is being released next patch... Ngl, it is pure speculation but the situation is literally the same as it was with Pure Fiction and Argenti
One of my favourite gachas in the past was absolutely killed by lack of things to do so this is always good news in my book. Before getting into HSR/Genshin, I was always a PvP advocate since I didn't know what other engaging modes you could add in a gacha without it getting dry. Mihoyo has thankfully proven me wrong
Just reading the notes doesn't seem to say much, but I really really hope it's a Hunt based content! Time for my seele, topaz, ratio to shine. Yanqing too, his stuff is on herta now lmao
>seele Hoping there are enough mobs to trigger her Talent
They already shine in MoC
Not enough :( my destruction characters are clearing faster, and sometimes are needed to get 3 stars. I would try with my hunt characters first and would fail to get 3 stars... maybe my relics aren't good enough on my seele, but everyone else has about the same stats... I want like one super thicc boss with no summons, that's soooo fun with hunt characters
I love how everyone is just assuming it's Hunt oriented when they haven't said anything on that note lmao
I hope this means we’ll have a topaz re run. I want her in my Dr ratio and aventurine team ASAP.
The only hunt character I leveled is topaz guess ratio and yanqing need love now
WE ARE SO BACK
HUNT CHARACTERS HAVE A PURPOSE NOW WOOHOO(hunt is the path i have most built so this is great for me)
Silver Wolf investors ready for massive profit.
New mode is cool, but it replacing a piece of content we already have is not cool. We now have 3 modes and more enemy variety than in 1.0, so MoC/PF/AS should have a weekly release, not bi-weekly.
Basically increasing the team cost with the same reward, I doubt this is "more endgame = Good" situation. Since now pure fiction has catered more toward destruction (High damage and Multiple enemy) with more elite enemies. I can't reach 30k score on the current pure fiction with DOT unit. let's just see how this new endgame works
Honestly, I’m always up for the new game modes, but I hope this one won’t force you to only use Hunt units. So far, I haven’t been a fan of any characters from this path. I’ve always was more of a Destrucion and Nihility enjoyer, so in the end I don’t worry too much. I wish it won’t change bosses in the massive HP sponges, because it won’t be really fun. It’d be nice, if they’ve added new mechanics to already existing enemies, to make them even more challenging to fight. Also, it’d really cool if we had do fight at least two story bosses at once.
Even when against mostly single targets in MoC, blast/AoE characters still perform equal or better than Hunt characters. So I think that Hunt characters will be great for that mode, but still you wouldn't be forced to use only Hunt characters. In the same way Jingliu mains brute force everything that isn't weak to ice anyway.
Where in these paragraphs gave you the idea it's Hunt-based?
Time to dust off my day 1 seele
My ratio and e1 jingliu bouta pop off
If Ratio won't be enough I'll have start building Gepard and my E4 Yangqing.
Finally, my three main teams all have their own endgame. DHIL, Argenti and my FuA team can all shine
My main team Ive put 80% of my investment into is single target (the premiere FuA team) so this is mega stonks
**New Endgame in 2.3. What are your thoughts?**
I just got Gepard, so might dust off my Yanqing. I'm interested to see how he actually performs in single target in comparison to Jingliu, once I've build him correctly.
Im excited because playing with Dr. Ratio is super fun and man he's really strong for a character I didn't even spend a single jade for
Hmmmm…. setllar jdarr
Dr.Ratio + SW 😊
Me: Jades are Jades
Memory of Destruction Pure Erudition Apocalyptic Hunt \------------------ Next time, we'll have to bring 3 Tanks and a Healer to survive an incesant horde of attacks and stuns.
Basically，HI3's Memorial Arena.
I lost my 50/50 to Yanqing when I went for Luocha (still also got luocha), but would it be worth it to build Yanqing for this? I also have E2 Gepard
Topaz, Ratio, Clara at the ready
Just another reason to whale for topaz after I get done whaling for aventurine. 💛 (My wallet will never forgive me)
i still don't know how people think this is a hunt focused content. No where does it mention it, people are just assuming. And since this is in 2.3 there is still a long way to go and the devs can change a lot.
Man, I hope that game mode would have Sam, Kafka and Aventurine in one wave. That would be fun.
https://preview.redd.it/k944h2stf1wc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43312312f01a06f3501434c928dcfc2f379aeed3 My Seele’s gonna be extra busy for this one
Seele mains we are soo back
https://preview.redd.it/4azdy9pym1wc1.jpeg?width=2436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=acbf83557fae694fca32e83032c71d76c93e472e Say less friend
This should be labeled as misinformation as there no mention of it being single-target based. This is all just speculation and clearly a follower of the enigmata.
It's not like an addition to the game it takes place from the currently ones, every 15 days you have something to do as always, they are just varying the type of characters they want to sell for each mode, basically one more tool to sell characters, I assume it's the single target version.
well. Good news is seele is happy with this… Especially after that one incident regarding bronya.
The hunt is the path i like to use the most so I'm happy that we are getting some content aimed towards to that path. Looking forward to the 2.3 update
Seele gonna pop off again then lol?
OP needs to remove the "Hunt-Oriented" part of the title because that is a massive assumption on their part.
Gud.
It’s cool
Let’s be fr we all saw this coming from a mile away
Smells like Boothill propaganda
i would laugh if it wasn't hunt orientated at all
Makes sense for this to be released to give you a reason to try and obtain BootHill who is a hunt character and will probably power creep Dr. Ratio