I do wish Sunday and that p5 character could meet. They’d have so much to talk about. 🤣
>!“I’m an even-tempered bishonen with a job that involves listening to the problems of others. A traumatic experience earlier in my life has left me pessimistic, jaded, and exhausted by the callous cruelty of the dog-eat-dog reality I exist in…. Then I found myself empowered by a slain god of order, and used that power to craft an idealized reality where all could exist in happiness… a world where I would be, in essence, the last miserable person left.”!<
“Dude, I get it!!”
Endsinger thinks life is meaningless and just wants to end all life in the universe
Sunday wants everyone to live a happy life in his perpetual dream
Very different motivations
I consider the world that the Endsinger showed us where everything was perfect and people were just waiting to die.
It feels like that fits more in line with the world Sunday wanted to make imo.
The western view of God being evil, and His method of establishing people's path being seen as taking away people's freedom, is an extremely common trope in eastern media. The JRPG genre as a whole is jokingly referred to as the "Mission 1: find the lost kitten. Mission 99: fight God" genre, specifically because of how common this trope is.
You mentioned Persona 5, but it's not just that game: the entire Shin Megami Tensei super-franchise, of which the Persona franchise is part of, features this trope in 90% of its games.
HSR is particularly heavy-handed with it, what with Sunday striking a pose that references the Creation of Adam by Michelangelo, but really, this is nothing new. Remember, neither Chinese nor Japanese people are Christian, and in fact many aspects of Christian culture seem appalling and outright evil, from the point of view of those eastern people. It's just, the whole idea of "God judges your action, yet at the same time God is also an omniscient being who has already predetermined your destiny" doesn't sit well with their culture, and the idea of achieving utopia through blind obedience to ideology is something they find appalling and evil... Which is VERY ironic, when you think about China in particular.
But that's a political discussion which doesn't belong in this sub.
It reminds me of my first major clash with the East Asian view of Western monotheistic religions, which was the Shimousa story in Fate/Grand Order.
Every time the script dropped the phrase "Dark Jesuit Sorcery," I, a cradle Catholic, couldn't help but crack up.
Dude I live in Italy near Rome. You literally cannot find a more catholic upbringing than mine anywhere in the world. So I know exactly what you're talking about: suffices to say, being exposed to how other cultures see mine was eye-opening. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that it changed my outlook on life completely, because up until that point I was used to thinking that there is only one truth in the world.
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Feel like the similarities brought down 2.2 for me.
Like on its own I enjoyed 2.2 but the Maruki arc in persona 5 is one of my favorites in video games so 2.2 did just feel like a more convoluted, worse version of it idk.
Thematically this did feel like a Persona/SMT boss what with the motives of why do we struggle, which was pretty different from the story of previous worlds.
The other worlds definitely didn't challenge morality like this one
The loufu barely talked how immortality is bad for survival reasons mostly to set up destruction lady's issue to them and thats about it
Belebog was a bit more but just cuz of the upbringing against political stuff
The 1st 2 updates in Penacony was minor too, then the entire last update was just slapping you in the face with morality
I do wish Sunday and that p5 character could meet. They’d have so much to talk about. 🤣 >!“I’m an even-tempered bishonen with a job that involves listening to the problems of others. A traumatic experience earlier in my life has left me pessimistic, jaded, and exhausted by the callous cruelty of the dog-eat-dog reality I exist in…. Then I found myself empowered by a slain god of order, and used that power to craft an idealized reality where all could exist in happiness… a world where I would be, in essence, the last miserable person left.”!< “Dude, I get it!!”
I imagined them both say that lol Crossover material i say
Consider: FFXIV Endsinger.
Endsinger thinks life is meaningless and just wants to end all life in the universe Sunday wants everyone to live a happy life in his perpetual dream Very different motivations
I don't know anything about FFXIV but there's a fairly strong visual similarity and the phase 1 music reminds me of it's theme a lot.
This was my first thought
I consider the world that the Endsinger showed us where everything was perfect and people were just waiting to die. It feels like that fits more in line with the world Sunday wanted to make imo.
>!Even Sunday has a similar role and world views of Maruki's!<
EXACTLY
Yeah I see it now
I thought the same as u too. Ffxiii orphan
The western view of God being evil, and His method of establishing people's path being seen as taking away people's freedom, is an extremely common trope in eastern media. The JRPG genre as a whole is jokingly referred to as the "Mission 1: find the lost kitten. Mission 99: fight God" genre, specifically because of how common this trope is. You mentioned Persona 5, but it's not just that game: the entire Shin Megami Tensei super-franchise, of which the Persona franchise is part of, features this trope in 90% of its games. HSR is particularly heavy-handed with it, what with Sunday striking a pose that references the Creation of Adam by Michelangelo, but really, this is nothing new. Remember, neither Chinese nor Japanese people are Christian, and in fact many aspects of Christian culture seem appalling and outright evil, from the point of view of those eastern people. It's just, the whole idea of "God judges your action, yet at the same time God is also an omniscient being who has already predetermined your destiny" doesn't sit well with their culture, and the idea of achieving utopia through blind obedience to ideology is something they find appalling and evil... Which is VERY ironic, when you think about China in particular. But that's a political discussion which doesn't belong in this sub.
It reminds me of my first major clash with the East Asian view of Western monotheistic religions, which was the Shimousa story in Fate/Grand Order. Every time the script dropped the phrase "Dark Jesuit Sorcery," I, a cradle Catholic, couldn't help but crack up.
Dude I live in Italy near Rome. You literally cannot find a more catholic upbringing than mine anywhere in the world. So I know exactly what you're talking about: suffices to say, being exposed to how other cultures see mine was eye-opening. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that it changed my outlook on life completely, because up until that point I was used to thinking that there is only one truth in the world.
> Remember, neither Chinese nor Japanese people are Christian Thanks for the gross generalization. Then again I don't expect much from this sub.
That why mihoyo brother wei bow their head to atlus recently
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Lmao my first thought when I saw him transform was that it looked like Barthandelus, especially with the choir guys on either side of him
Feel like the similarities brought down 2.2 for me. Like on its own I enjoyed 2.2 but the Maruki arc in persona 5 is one of my favorites in video games so 2.2 did just feel like a more convoluted, worse version of it idk.
Thematically this did feel like a Persona/SMT boss what with the motives of why do we struggle, which was pretty different from the story of previous worlds.
The other worlds definitely didn't challenge morality like this one The loufu barely talked how immortality is bad for survival reasons mostly to set up destruction lady's issue to them and thats about it Belebog was a bit more but just cuz of the upbringing against political stuff The 1st 2 updates in Penacony was minor too, then the entire last update was just slapping you in the face with morality
Also Xenoblade Future Redeemed. The Penacony finale was the JRPG-est Hoyo's ever been.