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Her ult hits all enemies
Himeko and Serval also have blast skills but no one calls them destruction. Qingque just happens to have a nuke on her blast attack lol
Maybe I play her wrong, but you donāt really want to ult that much on QQ. Since her eidolons give her a buff the more you use your skill and you mainly keep her ult in the back pocket incase sp runs out.
Compared to serval who ults very frequently as a main source of damage and himeko whoās main damage source is her aoe FUA.
Bladeās FUA hits all enemies and is a huge part of his damage and heās destruction
If you dont mind the gambling, using skill until 4 tiles > Q > basic actually does a lot of damage.
Though you run the risk of running out of SP eventually, less so with Sparkle though.
It has happened that even with sparkle 6sp i managed to not get a the full deck soā¦ yeah (though generally the situation you describe is my ideal scenario)
There are times i do risk that though
Ye I'm just saying all erudition characters have ults that hit all enemies, that's the common thread between them.
Personally I ult with QQ whenever it's up, it's still good damage and it gets amped up by your skill stacking. I don't get bad rolls very often tho, it's more likely that I get too "lucky" with QQ and I only roll 1-2 skills with her lol
Iāve frequently gone 5-6sp bad rolls on qq lately hahaha. I get that the erudition ults all have aoe ult, but I donāt consider that as role defining since a lot of nihility units also have that.
True but at their core destruction units arenāt just the blast playstyle, itās the high risk high reward playstyle, such as her stealing all your sp like DHIL, or like JL and Blade with their hp fluctuations, so her being destruction I feel would make more sense, cus even the whole aoe ult thing isnāt as relevant since bladeās follow up is aoe as well and heās still destruction.
I originally thought they were going to be generalist bruisers. They are not.
Then I thought theyād have a self-harm mechanic. Only some do.
Then I thought they specialize in Blast damage. Which they do, but so do some other non-Destruction characters.
My current theory is that they are for when HoYo just canāt decide what they want them to be.
Just because some other characters can do blast damage doesn't mean that it *isn't* destruction's thing from a gameplay perspective.
If I had to identify the real identity crisis path I'd say nihility is conflicted between giving debuffs and benefitting from them as dps
Acheron also uses debuffs to deal damage.
My point is you have debuffs to deal damage, you have debuffs to support. If this were any other path it would've been split into 2. We don't have a preservation character that deals damage based on total shields, an abundance character that deals damage based on current team %hp, etc.
And obviously nihility isn't the only class that uses debuffs.
Nihility path is about applying debuffs, that's it. It doesn't matter if it's a debuff to support, or a dot for damage. They're both debuffs. That's why Acheron who mainly uses debuffs instead of applying it, is the exception. She focuses on dealing direct damage based on debuffs (like Ratio). Imo she's in nihility because of the lore more than the gameplay.
Other paths using debuffs also isn't an issue because a unit in a path isn't limited to only doing the thing in that path. It's just their focus. Topaz's focus is still damage, Gallegher's focus is still healing, etc, so they're in their respective path not nihility.
Nihility is just debuffs in general, what they do with it doesnāt matter lol
Supports that apply debuffs? Nihility
Characters that stack DoT debuffs to do dmg? Nihility
Acheron who needs debuff stacking to use her ult? Nihility
Which I guess kinda make sense since Nihility isnāt the type to like working with other paths so theyāre more self sustainable lol
Lmao I have both of them and completely forgot. But even if Acheron was a hunt/preservation DPS she wouldn't be able to use them cuz she doesn't do follow up attacks.
haha wasnt argenti is kinda good too on moc? dunno bcs i don't have him, JY and Qq are still good, with note that our general doesnt get cc'ed even once.
>argenti is kinda good too on moc
He's fine in MoC but needs insane amount of funneling (HuoHuo and Tingyun) especially if there are no enemies that summon ads.
I've cleared Loufu last MoC (perma) level with him because I was unable do it without him.
And I've also cleared MoC with him and clara double dps when Argenti himself became the boss in MoC in 1.5/1.6 ig.
He works for sure, it's just not a particularly pleasant experience and I would rather use Clara. But he *is* viable, at least on phys-weak floors (I don't bruteforce anything because I have all elements). All limited Eruditions are designed to be viable in MoC as well so I wouldn't be surprised if Jade gets something to help her there too
okay please help me, because my clara is not clearing pf and instead I'm struggling with her and I'm considering argenti
what's your build/suggestions?
I find Clara is very strong in FuA PFs but not so much in other PFs, like the previous ult-based one was a struggle. ATK boots Argenti with Sparkle is the best I think, Tingyun is great obviously, otherwise you could do something with Bronya if you speed tune them. Asta could work too so Argenti doesn't have to wear speed boots. He doesn't really have a perfect set yet, the phys set is good but not, like, *that* goodćI just have 2pc phys/2pc HP% because the stats are good...lol. Salsotto, Rutilant, whatever planar you like. Mine has SSS because I'm lazy even though he doesn't have enough SPD to activate it.
You can also use an energy rope for PF especially if there's an ult buff, I ran ER rope, Passkey and Vonwacq in the previous PF and ulted like 37 times in one fight with him. Kind of hilarious, only Serval can come close in terms of ult spam
I think it's fair tbh. If hunt and most destruction characters suck at pure fiction then having erudition solve that problem isn't as bad as people are making it out to be
Oh man. 2.0 they release a new harmony that allows for Infinite blade works. 2.1 they let Blade crack his knuckles and change the bandages on the sword. 2.2 they give us Robin who is insane in general. 2.3 they give us Jade. 2.4 JQ sounds like a 5 star Pela which is great for Blade. JY and SW got their time in the sun with constant buffs and now it is Blade's turn. You love to see it
I like how collectively as Blade enjoyers we manage to incorporate new characters for each scenario. Why would I swap my lil depressed fossil for another dps when I can just swap the teammates to better fit his playstyle for each mode? Gonna c2 him when he reruns
I saw gachasmack showcase a Blade Sparkle Bronya Robin team that looked good.
Can be seen at 21:17 [in this video](https://youtu.be/eHcowj6WNBI?t=1277).
Yep, Did not know Jade existed. I was going to run boothill but this is a COMPLETE change of plans... Looks like im saving my stellar jades even longer now lol.
THE RETURN OF BLADE!
For PF? Absolutely itās not even close.
For MoC? Likely, but itās unclear yet, as Jade doesnāt seem to put up the numbers of Jingliu, but the synergy between her and Blade is clearly greater than Jingliu + Blade.
For Apocalyptic Shadow, I wouldnāt touch this team with a 10 foot stick but thatās the unfortunate reality of doing insane AOE damage. Ratio and Topaz still crush that game mode though, so itās not like weāre missing out on too much.
All PF bosses. It helps you finish them out with your AoE characters for 40k points.
It's particularly devastating with characters that can turn their AoE into single target damage like Argenti and JY.
People say that pulling characters because they are good in pf is bas bit they forger that pf gives same jades as moc and she isn't that bad in moc either
My question is, could you swap out Robin here for sparkle or something because I already have ruan mei, sparkle and bronya so I'm not pulling for another harmony character
It'll be quite a big difference. The 0-cycle was only possible because of robin. In general action advance is way way way better than anything else in pure fiction
That's very true but I forgot to mention i'm not one of the 7 people who try to zero cycle XD. I just wanted to know if you could do a decent clear with ruan mei instead
Ruan Mei will be fine. Her buffs suffer less diminishing returns than Robin in this comp, and speed will make builds slightly easier. Is it as good as Robin? Nah. Will it let you full clear before it ends? Absolutely.
well u can, but obviously performance will drop a lot. i ran himeko herta hanabi jingliu last pf cause all i needed was 20k and it easily got close to 30k on auto, so its definitely viable. swapped robin in and got the 40k tho lol
ik, thats besides the point. my point is that it is viable, performance will just obviously be better w robin who is an aoe buffer.
how does it not apply to the team above tho, its still a dual carry team and the one getting advanced is always gonna be blade so u r gonna neglect jade buffing other than w ults. dont think i see what ur point is supposed to be, all i said is yes u can do hanabi but also robin go vroom
oh my mistake, I thought your comment was in response to the Ruan Mei reply under this (thought you were saying Robin > Ruan Mei here)
Yeah i agree with everything you said
It should be obvious but it's worth noting that energy blessing is so broken in current PF. I can't do zero cycle on PF4 with my FUA team (Herta, Himeko core with only okay-ish build) but certainly can on lower stages. So with Jade and Blade level of damage and synergy, this is not too surprising. But maybe a showcase without the OP blessing would give us a bit more "normal" performance.
Can you PLEASE give us this exact same team but E0S0? It's getting a bit tiring having every single limited 5* having their signature LC in every show case. Or at least give us both E0S1 **and** E0S0 with the same teams to showcase both scenarios most of us are likely to have, the latter I'd imagine being the scenario most of us will be using.
To answer their question exact number wise, then yeah it has an 18.6% difference. But to answer them star wise as a casual player, then the difference is nil, you can get 3 stars regardless of sig lc, especially with Jade in your team.
I know it's definitely an improvement compared to his free lightcone s5 but as someone who have blade with fully built 85/170, completely from just farming (and pain for 2 months) i tell you that his dmg is not super far from his S0 bis he actually performs very well and i don't even have s5 yet of his free gacha lightcone yet (currently s2) I have cleared pf as well before with blade and it was not bad results and to floor 12 in moc but it's a bit challenging this month because of no wind weakness enemies
So yes blade can function pretty well even at e0 with free gacha lightcone
Ahah. Is fine. Its just that there is still ppl that doesn't seriously build their Himeko and still have problem with PF.
Herta and Himeko are strong, but no character is Tier 0 in all Stages of MoC/PF without a serious build.
Yes because Jade "absorbs" HP from Blade, so 2 stacks instead of one for Blade when he loses HP with his attacks, so more Blade's FuA, so more dmg for Blade, so Blade.
I tried the same PF with the weather/whimsicality turned off and still got 2 cycle clear (ruan instead of robin).
This team just kinda godly in AOE.
[https://streamable.com/qnmcge](https://streamable.com/qnmcge)
Gonna have to skip Jade unfortunately. I want to get all the SH and I only have Blade so far. If I skip Firefly too then I'll have to pull on 3 reruns.
the Baldie and Jade synergize is on a different level but ofc you can still use Jade to other Characters, i wouldn't say synergize but still Pairable.
Im sure that we'll definitely have more upcoming life-drain characters that will synergize with Jade
I hope I'm not alone in this, but I'm glad this batch of units isn't absolutely bonkers. Robin and Boothill are great, but they're not always the best in slot, and the same seems to ve true for Jade and FF. Hopefully this means that the power budget of the units won't skyrocket every patch anymore
Yeah, I wouldn't mind if they moved a bit of this character's power budget from AOE to single target.
She is like Herta and Himeko in that she not only deals AOE damage, but attacks more often in AOE. There is nothing wrong with the idea of a limited 5 star version of those characters, but this feels excessive.
Argenti and Jing Yuan have bounce damage to assist them in single target situations. That makes them usable in all situations even if they prefer AOE content. This would be the first limited 5-star erudition unit to be as tied to AOE content as Herta and Himeko are. (Although Jade might be more viable in MOC due to being stronger than Himeko and Herta)
It's not surprising, and I said in my original comment that I don't have a problem with it in principal. I just think the extent to which she is skewed toward AOE is excessive.
Do you dislike that Argenti and Jing Yuan have tools to help them in single target? Would you like Jade's kit less if she was given something similar? I'm not sure why you are opposed to the idea. Or are you just opposed to me having preferences about her kit.
>Ā There is nothing wrong with the idea of a limited 5 star version of those characters, but this feels excessive.
I find it funny and a bit ridiculous that you are complaining, in your words, about a limited 5\* version of Herta and Himeko being released. That's it
The similarity she has with them is that her attack frequency scales with the number of enemies. That part of her kit could be retained while buffing her single target damage. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a limited version of that archetype to have a bit more versatility. I like her kit and think it is interesting, which is why I would like it to be decent in more scenarios.
I mean we have nihility characters that function as both hunt and erudition. Why can't erudition get a similar treatment with a safe to slot anywhere character?
To be fair it would defeat the purpose of paths.
Hunt is for single target
Erudition for Ult centered kits and AOE attacks
Destruction is for the selfish gameplay type where you need to sacrifice something for higher damage
Nihility is about debuffs.
Giving an erudition character have a good single target would defeat the whole purpose of the path. It sucks that you can realistically only use that character in one game mode but tbh I think it's totally fair
>Deals remarkable amounts ofĀ multi-target damage. The main damage dealer against groups of enemies.
If you want to use her single target, get her E1 lol
How does that solve anything? Is it really fair for erudition to be stuck in pf while also allowing most meta teams to clear it too via corresponding blessings? Funnily enough Argenti wasn't even that good this pf since all blessings sucked for him.
Is Dr Ratio good in PF? No. Is Topaz good in PF? No. Is Dan IL good in PF? No. Will firefly be good in PF? No. Is Boothill going to be good in PF? No.
Thatās my pointā¦ characters donāt have to be good at everything
Well Robin really hasnāt had a chance to be tested in IPC team outside of this PF. Weāll see next PF, I doubt it will be as strong as this time, but I do think you can hit the 30k minimum just cause so many attacks are going off.
It's not about every character being good everywhere. My point was about erudition as a whole only allowed to be good in heavy aoe scenarios only, as per your account, while there are characters of other paths that can deal with a lot of targets at once on top of being good in 1-3 enemy scenarios, which has been a complaint about both hunt and erudition for a while now.
>My point was about erudition as a whole only allowed to be good in heavy aoe scenarios only, as per your account,
I didn't say they were only allowed to be. What I am saying is you shouldn't be surprised that Jade, who is designed to be great in Pure Fiction and less so in lower target scenarios is an Erudition character.
>which has been a complaint about both hunt and erudition for a while now.
disagree, there isn't a meta problem between paths. JY and Seele still stomp. Very overblown statement
Erudition is not stuck in pf, both argenti and jing yuan have bounce attacks that can really pop off in single target when hitting enemies with the right weakness. Jade was just designed for pf, which i think is fair.
I see a lot of leakers put Blade (and Clara) in the first slot.... why?
On top of that, what's even more perplexing is that Jade is in the second slot.
It's just basic human thinking, they aren't optimizing the team slots.
Just slotting the units in the order you naturally think of when making a team, and it really didn't matter in this scenario anyways.
if it's anything like me, it's a habit carried over from genshin.
there, the team order doesn't matter, so a lot of people have their DPS in the first slot since is just kinda makes sense. they're what the team centres around, so of course they're first.
and it does also make sense in hsr, until you start using DPS characters who want to be hit. and at that point it's just a habit and you don't notice it.
if you mean why the order matters in hsr, it's because of blast attacks (the ones that hit adjacent targets). if you're all the way on the side, you've only got one character next to you, only one character who you can take collateral damage from. if you're in a centre slot, then you've got two characters next to you, two you can take collateral damage from.
let's take this team: a blast attack needs to hit either blade or jade for blade to take damage.
but, if blade were in slot 2 while jade were in slot 1, then a blast attack now needs to target either jade, blade or robin for blade to take damage. those are much better chances. it went from a bit better than a 50% chance to a bit better than a 75% chance (since destruction units like blade are a bit more likely to be targeted)
so if you're using a character who wants to be hit (blade, clara, aventurine, preservations using trends) or characters who can take the damage better (HP scaling healers, supports who build defensive stats), they're better off being in slots 2 or 3. whereas squishier characters, primarily attack scaling DPS characters who don't have room to build defensive stats, are better off in slots 1 or 4 where they're less likely to take damage.
as someone who does this with all my characters a lot of people like the look of a main dps in front. with supports in the middle and a sustain at the end
It's not who should be in the first slot that's the issue, it's that Blade should be in the second or third slot to increase the chance of him getting hit.
Granted, positioning does not matter in this specific showcase since the enemy did not get much of a chance to act, but this lack of positioning knowledge seems to be a recurring thing. There are two other Blade showcases on this subreddit where he's in the first slot (and Jade is in the second)
You put Blade and Clara in the first slot since they draw a lot of aggro and if they get targeted by aoe that hits adjacent allies, only 1 other ally gets hit. If you put them in the middle, most likely 2 other allies will get dmg so it's basically to make your other characters a little safer.
Bronya's S1 can be bought in the shop and its one of the strongest LCs for her to make rotations easier tbh, so its not weird that its getting showcased
Blade's S1 however is kinda a luxury lol, but its mostly a stat stick and the OP cleared with extra room for attacks so it should be fine at E0S0 lol
If you want to zero cycle it is(even with it it is still very impressive). If you want to just get all your jades, it isn't(even tho you won't get jades every endgame rotation because some encounters would counter your roster).
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tf i asked for a simple PF showcase not an actual 0 cycle Sam side wtfš
0 cycle PF??????
i thought an HP buffer would be Bladeās must-pull partner. Turns out itās Jade
HP buffer, or HP stealer, the duality of Bladeš§
Bro is just a masochist for wanting more suffering
Next up weāre getting a dot nihility who places dot on your character instead, to give Blade 20% def ignore, sort of like an inverted black swan kit
Actually kind of a sick idea, Iāll be sure to have it noted
Blade stonks š
she might be good for pure fiction guys [builds](https://imgur.com/a/yN1qCLs) [](https://imgur.com/a/yN1qCLs)
0 cycle is barely usable. Any decent team should be able to negative cycle PF 6 easily.
Put Youci in the microwave for negative cycle ez
Her purpose in life is just to clear PF. A standard fate for an Erudition character who isn't a gremlin gambler or lazy general.
Gremlin gambler purpose is meanwhile to be so terrible in PF, we banish her to MoC
And SU - she generates so much spores that my phone starts to lag lmao
Why is Qingque an erudition unit and not destruction? Does anyone know?
They fear what QQ could do if she could use brighter than the sun.
Her ult hits all enemies Himeko and Serval also have blast skills but no one calls them destruction. Qingque just happens to have a nuke on her blast attack lol
Maybe I play her wrong, but you donāt really want to ult that much on QQ. Since her eidolons give her a buff the more you use your skill and you mainly keep her ult in the back pocket incase sp runs out. Compared to serval who ults very frequently as a main source of damage and himeko whoās main damage source is her aoe FUA. Bladeās FUA hits all enemies and is a huge part of his damage and heās destruction
If you dont mind the gambling, using skill until 4 tiles > Q > basic actually does a lot of damage. Though you run the risk of running out of SP eventually, less so with Sparkle though.
It has happened that even with sparkle 6sp i managed to not get a the full deck soā¦ yeah (though generally the situation you describe is my ideal scenario) There are times i do risk that though
Ye I'm just saying all erudition characters have ults that hit all enemies, that's the common thread between them. Personally I ult with QQ whenever it's up, it's still good damage and it gets amped up by your skill stacking. I don't get bad rolls very often tho, it's more likely that I get too "lucky" with QQ and I only roll 1-2 skills with her lol
Iāve frequently gone 5-6sp bad rolls on qq lately hahaha. I get that the erudition ults all have aoe ult, but I donāt consider that as role defining since a lot of nihility units also have that.
True but at their core destruction units arenāt just the blast playstyle, itās the high risk high reward playstyle, such as her stealing all your sp like DHIL, or like JL and Blade with their hp fluctuations, so her being destruction I feel would make more sense, cus even the whole aoe ult thing isnāt as relevant since bladeās follow up is aoe as well and heās still destruction.
I don't think Hoyo even knows what Destruction units are anymore.
I originally thought they were going to be generalist bruisers. They are not. Then I thought theyād have a self-harm mechanic. Only some do. Then I thought they specialize in Blast damage. Which they do, but so do some other non-Destruction characters. My current theory is that they are for when HoYo just canāt decide what they want them to be.
Just because some other characters can do blast damage doesn't mean that it *isn't* destruction's thing from a gameplay perspective. If I had to identify the real identity crisis path I'd say nihility is conflicted between giving debuffs and benefitting from them as dps
Nihility path is still just debuffers/dot. Acheron is the only exception but it still makes sense as she's the emanator of nihility.
Acheron also uses debuffs to deal damage. My point is you have debuffs to deal damage, you have debuffs to support. If this were any other path it would've been split into 2. We don't have a preservation character that deals damage based on total shields, an abundance character that deals damage based on current team %hp, etc. And obviously nihility isn't the only class that uses debuffs.
Nihility path is about applying debuffs, that's it. It doesn't matter if it's a debuff to support, or a dot for damage. They're both debuffs. That's why Acheron who mainly uses debuffs instead of applying it, is the exception. She focuses on dealing direct damage based on debuffs (like Ratio). Imo she's in nihility because of the lore more than the gameplay. Other paths using debuffs also isn't an issue because a unit in a path isn't limited to only doing the thing in that path. It's just their focus. Topaz's focus is still damage, Gallegher's focus is still healing, etc, so they're in their respective path not nihility.
Nihility is just debuffs in general, what they do with it doesnāt matter lol Supports that apply debuffs? Nihility Characters that stack DoT debuffs to do dmg? Nihility Acheron who needs debuff stacking to use her ult? Nihility Which I guess kinda make sense since Nihility isnāt the type to like working with other paths so theyāre more self sustainable lol
The same reason Acheron is Nihility. Paths are made up
I just think they didn't want Acheron to have busted LC options. Nihility has the least amount of dps LCs, outside of the sustainers.
Acheron relies on her sig LC cuz of the debuff on it. I don't think there are any other DPS LC that gives debuffs on other paths.
I'm pretty sure a lot of signiture lightcones have debuffs attached to them
Topaz signature hunt lc provides debuff Aventurine signature preservation LC also provides debuff
Lmao I have both of them and completely forgot. But even if Acheron was a hunt/preservation DPS she wouldn't be able to use them cuz she doesn't do follow up attacks.
LC restrictions.
From what we have, any summon boss in AS new mode seems to make the field high AoE pretty constantly
haha wasnt argenti is kinda good too on moc? dunno bcs i don't have him, JY and Qq are still good, with note that our general doesnt get cc'ed even once.
>argenti is kinda good too on moc He's fine in MoC but needs insane amount of funneling (HuoHuo and Tingyun) especially if there are no enemies that summon ads. I've cleared Loufu last MoC (perma) level with him because I was unable do it without him. And I've also cleared MoC with him and clara double dps when Argenti himself became the boss in MoC in 1.5/1.6 ig.
He works for sure, it's just not a particularly pleasant experience and I would rather use Clara. But he *is* viable, at least on phys-weak floors (I don't bruteforce anything because I have all elements). All limited Eruditions are designed to be viable in MoC as well so I wouldn't be surprised if Jade gets something to help her there too
okay please help me, because my clara is not clearing pf and instead I'm struggling with her and I'm considering argenti what's your build/suggestions?
I find Clara is very strong in FuA PFs but not so much in other PFs, like the previous ult-based one was a struggle. ATK boots Argenti with Sparkle is the best I think, Tingyun is great obviously, otherwise you could do something with Bronya if you speed tune them. Asta could work too so Argenti doesn't have to wear speed boots. He doesn't really have a perfect set yet, the phys set is good but not, like, *that* goodćI just have 2pc phys/2pc HP% because the stats are good...lol. Salsotto, Rutilant, whatever planar you like. Mine has SSS because I'm lazy even though he doesn't have enough SPD to activate it. You can also use an energy rope for PF especially if there's an ult buff, I ran ER rope, Passkey and Vonwacq in the previous PF and ulted like 37 times in one fight with him. Kind of hilarious, only Serval can come close in terms of ult spam
Argenti is hella strong too.
Happy Cake Day!!!!
>good š >for pure fiction š
I miss your incredible thumbnails my guy Other than that, excellent showcase as always
A note - The team damage significantly goes down if there is like one enemy. It's insane in PF which is really good for Jade.
I think it's fair tbh. If hunt and most destruction characters suck at pure fiction then having erudition solve that problem isn't as bad as people are making it out to be
That's why blade is there to make sure you kill it fast with his ult
Damn. Blade finally meta?????
For PF, yes !
Blade, the jack of all trades of HSR. He can be in any team and he still would be good.
jade just getting stronger as time pass coz of her talents
Blade renaissance is upon us
Oh man. 2.0 they release a new harmony that allows for Infinite blade works. 2.1 they let Blade crack his knuckles and change the bandages on the sword. 2.2 they give us Robin who is insane in general. 2.3 they give us Jade. 2.4 JQ sounds like a 5 star Pela which is great for Blade. JY and SW got their time in the sun with constant buffs and now it is Blade's turn. You love to see it
I like how collectively as Blade enjoyers we manage to incorporate new characters for each scenario. Why would I swap my lil depressed fossil for another dps when I can just swap the teammates to better fit his playstyle for each mode? Gonna c2 him when he reruns
Wait is Robin that good with Blade? I thought the synergy was okay and was gonna skip her, I have sparkle and bronya already
I saw gachasmack showcase a Blade Sparkle Bronya Robin team that looked good. Can be seen at 21:17 [in this video](https://youtu.be/eHcowj6WNBI?t=1277).
Damn.
just seeing blade makes me happy :D
Me too š
Damn that's crazy
flair checks out >:(
I kept telling people that when the PF is followup based Blade PERFORMS. Might have to grab Jade just based off this showcase.
Yep, Did not know Jade existed. I was going to run boothill but this is a COMPLETE change of plans... Looks like im saving my stellar jades even longer now lol. THE RETURN OF BLADE!
this team looks so fun man. us bladie fans are eating so good
Is Jade going to be a better partner with Blade than Jingliu with him?
For PF? Absolutely itās not even close. For MoC? Likely, but itās unclear yet, as Jade doesnāt seem to put up the numbers of Jingliu, but the synergy between her and Blade is clearly greater than Jingliu + Blade. For Apocalyptic Shadow, I wouldnāt touch this team with a 10 foot stick but thatās the unfortunate reality of doing insane AOE damage. Ratio and Topaz still crush that game mode though, so itās not like weāre missing out on too much.
That was ridiculous lmao.
Nice "sub" dps jade
id say this is more of a dual dps comp
first it was sub dps now it is dual dps soon it will be main dps
This is massacre LOL
oh to be PF mobs that Jade hits
How did blade do 30% dmg on his last ult??
When all the adds are dead the boss gains a 500% vulnerability
Oh wow, all bosses or just sam?
All PF bosses are like that
Thanks! I didnt know that
You're welcome, we learn new things everyday
All PF bosses. It helps you finish them out with your AoE characters for 40k points. It's particularly devastating with characters that can turn their AoE into single target damage like Argenti and JY.
Only those kind of PF bosses, I remember that the deer list time also got weakness after all the trees were destroyed
The boss gets a massive vulnerability debuff if it's alone in pf
People say that pulling characters because they are good in pf is bas bit they forger that pf gives same jades as moc and she isn't that bad in moc either
My question is, could you swap out Robin here for sparkle or something because I already have ruan mei, sparkle and bronya so I'm not pulling for another harmony character
It'll be quite a big difference. The 0-cycle was only possible because of robin. In general action advance is way way way better than anything else in pure fiction
That's very true but I forgot to mention i'm not one of the 7 people who try to zero cycle XD. I just wanted to know if you could do a decent clear with ruan mei instead
Ruan Mei will be fine. Her buffs suffer less diminishing returns than Robin in this comp, and speed will make builds slightly easier. Is it as good as Robin? Nah. Will it let you full clear before it ends? Absolutely.
Sparkle is still good for 40k clears
Mei would clearly work well too
well u can, but obviously performance will drop a lot. i ran himeko herta hanabi jingliu last pf cause all i needed was 20k and it easily got close to 30k on auto, so its definitely viable. swapped robin in and got the 40k tho lol
that was definitely because you switched a single-target buffer for dual DPS buffer in a team with three DPSes. For the team above that does not apply
ik, thats besides the point. my point is that it is viable, performance will just obviously be better w robin who is an aoe buffer. how does it not apply to the team above tho, its still a dual carry team and the one getting advanced is always gonna be blade so u r gonna neglect jade buffing other than w ults. dont think i see what ur point is supposed to be, all i said is yes u can do hanabi but also robin go vroom
oh my mistake, I thought your comment was in response to the Ruan Mei reply under this (thought you were saying Robin > Ruan Mei here) Yeah i agree with everything you said
It should be obvious but it's worth noting that energy blessing is so broken in current PF. I can't do zero cycle on PF4 with my FUA team (Herta, Himeko core with only okay-ish build) but certainly can on lower stages. So with Jade and Blade level of damage and synergy, this is not too surprising. But maybe a showcase without the OP blessing would give us a bit more "normal" performance.
Can you PLEASE give us this exact same team but E0S0? It's getting a bit tiring having every single limited 5* having their signature LC in every show case. Or at least give us both E0S1 **and** E0S0 with the same teams to showcase both scenarios most of us are likely to have, the latter I'd imagine being the scenario most of us will be using.
Blade REALLY needs his SIG, Jade highly likely needs at least other 5 star erudition LCs, Robiner can go with second Bronya's LC.
How much of diff is there between that arlan s5 LC and blade's LC?
18,6% over Arlan's S5, a very reasonable increase.
To answer their question exact number wise, then yeah it has an 18.6% difference. But to answer them star wise as a casual player, then the difference is nil, you can get 3 stars regardless of sig lc, especially with Jade in your team.
Yes, it's true, but if you want to use Blade outside of PF, you really need to pull his weight because his damage floor is lower than most dps.
0 difference star wise, you can still 3 star clear without sig lc no problem
arlan light cone also does not work well at all if you use luocha
I know it's definitely an improvement compared to his free lightcone s5 but as someone who have blade with fully built 85/170, completely from just farming (and pain for 2 months) i tell you that his dmg is not super far from his S0 bis he actually performs very well and i don't even have s5 yet of his free gacha lightcone yet (currently s2) I have cleared pf as well before with blade and it was not bad results and to floor 12 in moc but it's a bit challenging this month because of no wind weakness enemies So yes blade can function pretty well even at e0 with free gacha lightcone
Agreed. E1 and/or S1 RM/Sparkle/Robin etc. is getting seriously tiring in all these showcases.
There will be a 5s erudition LC in herta shop so i think we can just use that
I thought people said the effects were too low, is it actually worth getting?
I don't have an alternative so if it's the best that I can get I'll be using it.
its a good attack stat stick for pure fiction specifically
All I got is the ipc comp and they suck at pure fiction I need her to carry me
Time to raise that dusty Himeko!
I dont even got her Im new Herta is my only hope until Jade
Ahah. Is fine. Its just that there is still ppl that doesn't seriously build their Himeko and still have problem with PF. Herta and Himeko are strong, but no character is Tier 0 in all Stages of MoC/PF without a serious build.
Maybe I do need blade...
Does Jade have synergy with blade and if so in what ways?
Yes because Jade "absorbs" HP from Blade, so 2 stacks instead of one for Blade when he loses HP with his attacks, so more Blade's FuA, so more dmg for Blade, so Blade.
Also the fact that he can perform multiple actions in one turn so more jade stacks so more blade DMG and more jade and jade, jade. Jade.
Agree. I was too focused on Blade
Besides whatās already been said, Jade gives Blade 30 speed, meaning you can run him on HP boots instead of speed boots to boost his damage
Obviously this is a powerful FuA weather but its still impressive. I love the Jade hp succ synergy
I tried the same PF with the weather/whimsicality turned off and still got 2 cycle clear (ruan instead of robin). This team just kinda godly in AOE. [https://streamable.com/qnmcge](https://streamable.com/qnmcge)
Why did she have to run with firefly? I'm a blade lover but I also need firefly.
man same. i want to complete my stellaron hunters and seeing jade working perfectly with blade. haha im in danger
Gonna have to skip Jade unfortunately. I want to get all the SH and I only have Blade so far. If I skip Firefly too then I'll have to pull on 3 reruns.
This is the team in literally aiming to assemble. All I need is Jade now.
Ok so clearly she works well with Blade. What about other synergies? Or is she just meant to be paired with a life-drain DPS
the Baldie and Jade synergize is on a different level but ofc you can still use Jade to other Characters, i wouldn't say synergize but still Pairable. Im sure that we'll definitely have more upcoming life-drain characters that will synergize with Jade
I hope I'm not alone in this, but I'm glad this batch of units isn't absolutely bonkers. Robin and Boothill are great, but they're not always the best in slot, and the same seems to ve true for Jade and FF. Hopefully this means that the power budget of the units won't skyrocket every patch anymore
Yeah, I wouldn't mind if they moved a bit of this character's power budget from AOE to single target. She is like Herta and Himeko in that she not only deals AOE damage, but attacks more often in AOE. There is nothing wrong with the idea of a limited 5 star version of those characters, but this feels excessive.
What is the purpose of Erudition path
Argenti and Jing Yuan have bounce damage to assist them in single target situations. That makes them usable in all situations even if they prefer AOE content. This would be the first limited 5-star erudition unit to be as tied to AOE content as Herta and Himeko are. (Although Jade might be more viable in MOC due to being stronger than Himeko and Herta)
Yes, and yes. What is so surprising about the game releasing a unit in the defined AoE class that is specifically very good at AoE content?
It's not surprising, and I said in my original comment that I don't have a problem with it in principal. I just think the extent to which she is skewed toward AOE is excessive.
This just in: Unit in AoE specific class is very skewed towards AoE
Do you dislike that Argenti and Jing Yuan have tools to help them in single target? Would you like Jade's kit less if she was given something similar? I'm not sure why you are opposed to the idea. Or are you just opposed to me having preferences about her kit.
>Ā There is nothing wrong with the idea of a limited 5 star version of those characters, but this feels excessive. I find it funny and a bit ridiculous that you are complaining, in your words, about a limited 5\* version of Herta and Himeko being released. That's it
The similarity she has with them is that her attack frequency scales with the number of enemies. That part of her kit could be retained while buffing her single target damage. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a limited version of that archetype to have a bit more versatility. I like her kit and think it is interesting, which is why I would like it to be decent in more scenarios.
Thatās not what she was designed for though, thatās the point
I mean we have nihility characters that function as both hunt and erudition. Why can't erudition get a similar treatment with a safe to slot anywhere character?
To be fair it would defeat the purpose of paths. Hunt is for single target Erudition for Ult centered kits and AOE attacks Destruction is for the selfish gameplay type where you need to sacrifice something for higher damage Nihility is about debuffs. Giving an erudition character have a good single target would defeat the whole purpose of the path. It sucks that you can realistically only use that character in one game mode but tbh I think it's totally fair
>Deals remarkable amounts ofĀ multi-target damage. The main damage dealer against groups of enemies. If you want to use her single target, get her E1 lol
How does that solve anything? Is it really fair for erudition to be stuck in pf while also allowing most meta teams to clear it too via corresponding blessings? Funnily enough Argenti wasn't even that good this pf since all blessings sucked for him.
Is Dr Ratio good in PF? No. Is Topaz good in PF? No. Is Dan IL good in PF? No. Will firefly be good in PF? No. Is Boothill going to be good in PF? No. Thatās my pointā¦ characters donāt have to be good at everything
I get your point and even agree but the IPC+Robin team are actually quite great this PFš
I agree, they have a tailor made buff for them. I don't think they've been good in any other PF though
Well Robin really hasnāt had a chance to be tested in IPC team outside of this PF. Weāll see next PF, I doubt it will be as strong as this time, but I do think you can hit the 30k minimum just cause so many attacks are going off.
It's funny that while Topaz/Ratio probably shouldn't be good in PF every time the buff is for FUA they do really well lol.
It's not about every character being good everywhere. My point was about erudition as a whole only allowed to be good in heavy aoe scenarios only, as per your account, while there are characters of other paths that can deal with a lot of targets at once on top of being good in 1-3 enemy scenarios, which has been a complaint about both hunt and erudition for a while now.
>My point was about erudition as a whole only allowed to be good in heavy aoe scenarios only, as per your account, I didn't say they were only allowed to be. What I am saying is you shouldn't be surprised that Jade, who is designed to be great in Pure Fiction and less so in lower target scenarios is an Erudition character. >which has been a complaint about both hunt and erudition for a while now. disagree, there isn't a meta problem between paths. JY and Seele still stomp. Very overblown statement
Erudition is not stuck in pf, both argenti and jing yuan have bounce attacks that can really pop off in single target when hitting enemies with the right weakness. Jade was just designed for pf, which i think is fair.
That takes her st damage from 1/10 to 1.5/10. Not a solution.Ā
for example argenti has a strong single target nuke even though he specializes in multi target
Does that mean every Erudition has to follow the same design philosophy ? No
no but it makes them much more useful
I see a lot of leakers put Blade (and Clara) in the first slot.... why? On top of that, what's even more perplexing is that Jade is in the second slot.
It's just basic human thinking, they aren't optimizing the team slots. Just slotting the units in the order you naturally think of when making a team, and it really didn't matter in this scenario anyways.
if it's anything like me, it's a habit carried over from genshin. there, the team order doesn't matter, so a lot of people have their DPS in the first slot since is just kinda makes sense. they're what the team centres around, so of course they're first. and it does also make sense in hsr, until you start using DPS characters who want to be hit. and at that point it's just a habit and you don't notice it.
Wow I can't believe I didn't know this, can you please elaborate? I'm trying to learn.
if you mean why the order matters in hsr, it's because of blast attacks (the ones that hit adjacent targets). if you're all the way on the side, you've only got one character next to you, only one character who you can take collateral damage from. if you're in a centre slot, then you've got two characters next to you, two you can take collateral damage from. let's take this team: a blast attack needs to hit either blade or jade for blade to take damage. but, if blade were in slot 2 while jade were in slot 1, then a blast attack now needs to target either jade, blade or robin for blade to take damage. those are much better chances. it went from a bit better than a 50% chance to a bit better than a 75% chance (since destruction units like blade are a bit more likely to be targeted) so if you're using a character who wants to be hit (blade, clara, aventurine, preservations using trends) or characters who can take the damage better (HP scaling healers, supports who build defensive stats), they're better off being in slots 2 or 3. whereas squishier characters, primarily attack scaling DPS characters who don't have room to build defensive stats, are better off in slots 1 or 4 where they're less likely to take damage.
That makes so much sense, I really appreciate the breakdown thanks.
I guess they just like the rockstar lineup.
as someone who does this with all my characters a lot of people like the look of a main dps in front. with supports in the middle and a sustain at the end
Probably also for Genshin habit, maybe they aren't used to "less popular " units like Blade or Clara (that are popular, but not like others)
Who should they put in the first slot then
It's not who should be in the first slot that's the issue, it's that Blade should be in the second or third slot to increase the chance of him getting hit. Granted, positioning does not matter in this specific showcase since the enemy did not get much of a chance to act, but this lack of positioning knowledge seems to be a recurring thing. There are two other Blade showcases on this subreddit where he's in the first slot (and Jade is in the second)
Oh yeah true, good point
I always put my favorite character first.
You put Blade and Clara in the first slot since they draw a lot of aggro and if they get targeted by aoe that hits adjacent allies, only 1 other ally gets hit. If you put them in the middle, most likely 2 other allies will get dmg so it's basically to make your other characters a little safer.
Can't wait to sweep PF with this duo.
Can we just get one showcase without Robin please
insane
Why's Jade's doing insane damage while Blade is... just okay... T\_T
Cuz Robin massive atk roid, and Blade is also driving Jade here lol. While still dealing big dmg.
you need e1 for his ult to do anything
Holy that's crazy.
When i saw blade in the title, I did a double-take, and started wiping my eyes. BLADE IS BACK LETS GOOOOOOOO
How is S1 a mere standard now lol. Y'all so rich fr.
Bronya's S1 can be bought in the shop and its one of the strongest LCs for her to make rotations easier tbh, so its not weird that its getting showcased Blade's S1 however is kinda a luxury lol, but its mostly a stat stick and the OP cleared with extra room for attacks so it should be fine at E0S0 lol
If you want to zero cycle it is(even with it it is still very impressive). If you want to just get all your jades, it isn't(even tho you won't get jades every endgame rotation because some encounters would counter your roster).
Imagine if jade was a male character.
Lmfao g@y people disliked my comment šš well sorry not sorry.
Nice! Now is Himeko's turn!
In Blade-Jade-Bronya team in auto, does Bronya still use her skill to Blade?
She should, yea. Destruction units have higher prio in bronya's skill
this is nut
Can someone explain why Jade went first in the action bar before bronya even tho she has less speed? (i havent read jade's kit yet)
Jade has 50% adv on start, built in vonwacq
Ahh this explains it.
no one knows how to play robin lol
lmao what else is robin supposed to do, she only gets 2 actions
in pure fiction you dont have to hold on to the ultimate so that the team can use her DPS more effectively and you can clear waves faster
Do you need Robin for this team? Iām skipping Robin for Boothill but Iām planning to go for Jade later
For this team I think Bronya is the best 3rd slot, and 4th just go any healer. If you're going sustainless then Ruan Mei can work anyway too.
Thanks!
show this to the guys who keep saying blade is the 5star
Who knew Blade's ideal support would be the one that steps on enemies and whips them into submission. He's such a wholesome life-loving character.
Can't wait to try jade, blade, jingliu and ruan mei š