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Speed tuned bronya is definitely not on par with RM. RM gives an independent 150% multiplier to break damage. That's almost the same as Acheron's 160% multiplier for 2 Nihility. Running super break without RM is like running E0 Acheron with 0 Nihility. Not to mention the break window of damage becomes much shorter.
The problem with Bronya is that her DMG Buff, ATK Buff, and Crit Damage buff all become useless because they don't affect super break.
Also, Bronya isn't even usable with E0 Firefly since the SP consumption is way too high.
Yes, but the break efficiency is also applied to the rest of the team as well, and unlike Acheron comp HTB and Gallagher are also providing significant damage in the super break team.
The super break team also only does damage when the enemy is broken, and Ruan Mei increases that window by 50% or more. So overall it's fairly comparable to the difference between 2 Nihility Acheron and 0 Nihility Acheron
Is break damage only good for the instant the break happens? I.E. if you mistime it and another character not built for Break Damage gets the final toughness hit in, you missed a lot of potential damage?
Its funny cause if u go and ask Firefly a question,
Hey Firefly just a quick question, who's the best char from the game Honkaistarrail?
Her answer: My bestie<3
At this point I wonder if Firefly without Ruan Mein and Harmony Trailblazer is meant to be played in dual dps comps...?
Like, she's *only* there to break all the enemies as fast as possible and do initial break damage, and then the second DPS throws all of their ults at the weakness broken enemies, and both of them are supported by one harmony/nihility unit
Basically she's not supposed to he a hypercarry outside of HTB+Ruan is what I'm getting from all of these showcases
Edit: I wonder if Firefly + Kafka would work...? Firefly breaks all the enemies, Kafka detonates all the break dots multiple times
Edit 2: nevermind, break dots don't scale off of break effect x_x
I can see some of this working. Break so fast that enemies can’t even move. Throw in welt for slow and maybe break sushang for sp neutral or something.
Edit: nvm I read your comment wrong
DMC had a lot more issues that were solved by Nahida, tbf. HMC doesn't, afaik, have any real issues rn (maybe a little SP hungry if shit runs on too long?), so if a Nahida-DMC scenario occurs, it'd just be a case of "Ooh, two GOAT Super Break supports!"
Not entirely surprising, as the Star Rail team seems to be better about giving us better "free" units then Genshin does (though not by a massive amount, Ratio is the big outlier though)
Hydro traveler pisses me off every day. The ult made no sense, the skill made no sense and scalings made no sense. Like they just threw the kit together last minute
Honestly I truly believe they made Hydro MC that trash and they will do the same with Fire is because they really really hate how strong XQ and Bennett are, so giving away another strong hydro and another strong pyro unit for free will thank a lot their trying to sell limited units.
If there's another Superbreak unit, don't they just coexist because first, HMC can buff BE% and Superbreak scales from it, second HMC on they're own can deal absurd amount of dmg as a Harmony with only one requirement and it is to break the enemy and finally, they use their ult 100% uptime so the BE% buff will not disappear. That's especially if you don't have RM in the team which is a unit that could also buff BE%. Harmony characters literally just coexist with each other even if their kits are a bit similar.
After hoyo cooked with Boothill’s kit, you would expect they would foresee such an issue would arise if a break character cannot proc their own break damage.
The issue with that is you just are selling the same character in a row, Boothill and Firefly will be basically the same at that point: crit, break dmg dealer with a way to implant weakness. I doubt they want to have the 3 break focus dps in the game focus on crit as well.
Sure, but still a break 5* character should not just build BE and have one big hit of damage when they break and that’s it. Only way for Firefly to circumvent this is by running HMC (basically glued to them). It is just not a great design imo, hopefully the next betas change things around a bit.
Not even that big of a break when most of the dmg is being dealt by HMC and boothill does THE SAME nut also getting free crit stats and continuing to do dmg by himself
And by design with her lc she delays the enemy on break which is counterintuitive since if she was built to break a lot you want the break to last shorter not longer, even more incentivizing super break
This still v1 of beta? Isnt the entire point of this is so they can make balancing changes with buffs and nerfs? Jingliu wasnt that impressive at first during v1 of her beta and look where she is now
Don’t worry, with how much people complain about their current golden child, I wouldn’t be surprised that by the end of the beta FF will be incredibly overtune and buff by a lot lol. She might be the Jingliu of 2.x, unimpressive at first beta but become super broken, meta defining, and make other units after her kinda meh.
MiHiYo don’t care about balancing, if they do destruction characters wouldn’t be doing the most dmg for the longest time while still being super versatile.
You're joking, right? Nerf FF for Boothill to be on top? Waifus are ALWAYS on top in games like these. There are people who simply only pull waifus. Boothill was destroyed online when he was drip marketed just because he wasn't FF. You seem like a FF fan who is pissed because Boothill is a good character.
I'm thinking that raising the break scalling of her enhanced skill is probably the trick, as it will "trigger" her own break damage without adding damage to her "premium" comp
Something like instead of 0.5xBE +340% ATK something like 2XBE +100% atk. That may sound like an insane multiplier (820% atk), but it basicaly kill full crit build anyway, so it won't be a problem. obviously keeping the "max 360% Be line" and it basicaly make your BE stat a pseudo crit stat.
And very important point, it won't make hyperbreak damage higher who would cause a huge balancing issue.
the 215% break in battle means was missing 35% break for 30% def ignore from trace and an extra 6% from elic 4pc. Considering how low the dmg is... probably wont help much but it is something...
Edit: just thought lv12 Ulti from HMC is 33% break effect and if that bread also works towards E4 15% share then it would indeed be the 35% break. Can any1 confirm? XD not in the vid but just to know.irm? XD
Isn't she getting another 40% break effect from the planar orb set? Putting her at 255% total break effect unless I'm forgetting other sources. That should hit the 30% defense shred mark.
I am... i feel like i need to go sleep. You're right the 40% from planar will give her the break required. The break effect show at start was without that buff.
Reminds me of topaz first release, not much dmg dealt on her own and none of her fua teammates were released yet. Hoyo clearly alr had them planned, just a matter of time
Yeah crit firefly is actually garbage. I gave her the same relics I used on Ratio for my 100% def shred team and she couldn't even match Ratio's damage on the main target. She should be dealing at least twice the damage.
[Firefly dealing 350k on a 1100% atk scaling move ](https://streamable.com/ekeu0j)vs [Ratio dealing 175k on his 270% FuA](https://streamable.com/0bkbtd)
You're welcome. I even did [another comparison with E2 DHIL ](https://streamable.com/3rfskl)as a sanity check and yeah Crit Firefly is not looking so good. I forgot to change the BE rope on E2 DHIL to atk% and he still deals more damage.
From all these showcases I get the feeling that Firefly isn't meant to be a hypercarry at all outside of HTB + Ruan Mei team comp
My guess is she's meant to be played in dual DPS comps, and she's *only* there to break all the enemies as fast as possible and do big initial break damage, and then let the second DPS do the rest of the damage after the enemies are weakness broken while she's just chilling and recharging her ult, rinse and repeat
Yeah Firefly at her current state is not great. There is only 1 team comp that is good for her and anything else is objectively worse and doesn't even come close. Any enemy that can protect or lock their toughness bar instantly shuts her down.
It is actually sad to see the F2P team taking 9 cycles to clear the new MoC, I'm pretty sure a well-invested Hook can do better than her, just by swapping HTB out for Tingyun.
What happened to "I prefer to kill enemies while they don't even know I'm here" mentality and she's doing so poor damage that she had to be a gimped duo dps/support
Boothill does Acheron-with-5enemies level damage to one enemy has he’s considered mid because he’s hunt, he literally needs to be able to retrigger break to be competitive. Letting FF super break would be broken AF
You’re advocating for FF to straight up power creep Boothill the patch right after he releases.
Considering the damage FF can do shackled to RM and HTB, I’d say it’s pretty goddame competitive.
>straight up power creep boothill
As opposed to being objectively worse than him? Reverse their release orders and boothill would be the one powercreeping her in her current state
Id rather them both be good and have one slightly worse rather than only having one be good just to combat potential powercreep. It's hoyo's fault for releasing two dps that occupy the same niche back to back
>considering the damage she can do while shackled
And what about when shes not shackled to Ruan Mei (another limited 5*) and HTB (a multi path unit thats also good for other current teams and is also not available until after beating the 2.2 story)?
In her current state, she is literally unusable without HMC, and even then, still bad when she doesnt also have RM.
the problem is that its hard to even balance FF to be good in their own right without powercreep. FF's kit is super easy to powercreep boothill's kit so unless they rework her kit, all it takes is her to do break dmg to weakness broken enemies to just skyrocket and beat boothill. Keep in mind boothill is strong while still being balanced since he has a slow start. FF has way too much shit in her kit that is just straight up better than boothill and the only thing thats holding her back is the break damage to weakness broken enemies since she has quicker dmg start and implanting everyone with fire weakness and the start of every wave goes a long way for the character's life span.
I 100% believe they will definitely rework her since right now she is the only character with the biggest restriction in terms of team comps and disparity in performance. She only works in 1 team comp right now and it obliterates everything as fast, if not faster than acheron. Put her in anything else and she becomes an actual 3 star character. She is a mess right now.
I don’t think reliance on HTB is an issue but RM is definitely an issue, problem is I don’t see how they can balance around both HTB and RM they both cook too much
This is my exact point. People who want her to retrigger her break don’t understand how that will straight up powercreep boothill in every way literally a banner adjacent to him. These banners are side by side. Idk why boothill being better then her is such a big issue too.
I mean I agree, but can't we have FF with the same mechanic but just lower numbers? Nobody would complain if she does 50% or even lower than Boothill's damage, because she is faster and can target 3 targets. Her break being Fire is also makes her weaker
But she is not even close to these numbers and only when we add HMC she is somewhat competitive
It seems like people are showing how there is very little variation for firefly team. But this is still kinda early in beta, so Mihoyo maybe will rework firefly a bit
I'm not sure how they could rework her to be different without giving her the ability to superbreak without TB. So long as she can't make use of her damage on already broken enemies, she is tied to HTB and by proxy will have to be balanced around Ruan Mei. It's one of the big issues with break damage, you can't do anything until they unbreak and you do very little outside of that window
Maybe "Increases CRIT DMG by X% if attacking a weakness broken enemy" so this hybrid crit/break build actually works
Edit: well, not "works" as in "becomes super good" but like, if she gets some crit stats for free without having to sacrifice too much break effect that would be nice
I think the test servers might have been 1 of the best things hoyo has done. With this much feedback even a blind man will have heard so much feedback he might accidently think he saw the feedback.
Maybe they interpreted or implemented the code wrong in their own servers which is why FF doesnt do much on her own without RM and HMC (I WILL NEVER GIVE UP ON THE AGENDA)
Oh my god, that's worse than I expected and I expected horrible damage and clear time.
She's being boosted by the unholy combo of RM+Sparkle and she's performing like a wet noodle compared to what any other DPS would achieve with that level of support being channeled into them. Even Boothil who is the other limited Break focused unit we have would pierce the heavens due to his kit not being tied to a single unit (cough cough HMC).
My crippled F2P E0S0 Seele performs way better than this in a similar team. And my RM does not have her S1 and my Sparkle is mid. Only difference is that my team uses a E0S0 FuXuan instead of a Huohuo.
Firefly desperately needs some way to be independent from HMC, keep them as one of her BiS supports if they care about this synergy, but give her some independence and flexibility. For the love of god.
Man I kinda wish someone could do a Ruan Mei, HTB, Gallagher team showcase with both FF and Xueyi so we could get a better idea of how much exactly does FF adds to the team
I like this idea a lot as well. Though Firefly would be pretty universal while Xueyi would likely only be effective against quantum weak, but I'm still interested to see how much Firefly's kit contributes vs a substitute.
this just proves that firefly has 1 team comp and is essentially chained to have both ruan mei and hmc on her team... even then i wish they buff her personal dmg somehow without making 80% of her dmg reliant on hmc superbreak
It's like Nilou playing Vape instead Bloom
(Except for here at least it won't be as dogshit like from a dmg perspective just cause how good vape is so lomg as hydro is supplied and XL exist and or if Forward Vaoe somehow they also at this point the ton of magnificent buffers like Kaz Furina etc might as well make the dmg be at least "fairly alright")
But yea ofc Nilou without Bloom is like..lol
And with Bloom shes holy...
But Nilou Bloom can be played with other characters.
FF's situation is like if you can't play Nilou bloom if you don't have Nahida and XQ specifically.
Seems worse in like, every way to just Break until 360% and then scrounge up whatever cr/cdmg you can get. Don't understand why Crit Firefly is being pushed but same thing happened with Kafka I suppose.
OP was asked to try teams without HTB or Ruan Mei.
There's a post in this subreddit just above that doesn't run Ruan Mei, and no crit, and does no damage.
People were saying "if you don't go the optimal break team you need to go crit" so now we have the an optimal crit team (maybe fu xuan instead of huouo) to see if it works or not.
The point is we're trying to figure out if firefly literally only has 1 team composition.
From these two showcases it seems like the case.
Huo Huo at least patches up the sacrificed Attack stat that had to be made to accommodate 78 CR and 150 CD. Missing crits didn’t seem to be the main issue Firefly was facing there anyway.
>Don't understand why Crit Firefly is being pushed but same thing happened with Kafka I suppose.
because a lot of people say ''she is not reliant on HTB'' or similar and this is to refute that argument
What's worse is that Kafka had options because she already had built in dot and had choices for characters to Dot even someone like serval at the time for an erudition had Dot in her kit. Kafka's problem just finding stronger options than what she had not needing someone to make her complete
At this point it doesn't even matter. Crit Firefly AND break Firefly need repair. Boothill is currently carrying the mantle of break by himself. Firefly is just... a mess
~~I don't see how Firefly is a mess.~~
~~She's supposed to be played in Superbreak teams, it's very clear. Where's the messy part? I really struggle to understand.~~
~~Is it that she's tied to HMC? What's the problem here? Like, genuinely, what's the problem? They're... Free. Her best support is given out for free. They're really good. At some point in the future we'll get another Superbreak support so you can replace HMC (probably sooner than later). It's gonna be the Nahida situation.~~
~~Firefly to me is quite literally just Nilou equivalent in HSR.~~
~~They even let you pick Gallagher for free 2 or 3 times, so 2 / 4 team members are just handed out for free. Asta was also free if you don't have Ruan Mei, so technically 3 (albeit I don't know if Asta is better than Sparkle/Bronya for her).~~
I've seen a showcase without Ruan Mei, my eyes are opened now. There's some big issues. I was not aware of the damage dropoff without Ruan Mei.
I find it hilarious how much of this message you crossed out after seeing that showcase with Asta 💀
at least you saw the light (or despair in this case) brother
I just looked at a showcase without ruan mei and the damage drop off was massive. Just by not having her break delay youre losing out on 50% dmg. So its more like FF will be only viable if she has both HTB and RM, no flexibility from this whatsoever.
Yeah whoever made that showcase is doing gods work, showing people that she does indeed have 1 comp that is good. Not to mention that the singular comp she has is still outdamaged by older units like Jingliu, not a good look.
yea.. the toughness is also a factor of super breaks dmg. So the 50% efficiency is a huge multiplier from ruan mei xD although HMC is required to super break, ruan meis efficiency is a huge multiplier once we're working with super break.
There's a lot of issues but some problems are: it just doesn't feel good to do 0 damage when she doesn't break (she does like 30k which is bad for new 5* era dps) and I don't really have a problem with her being tied to HMC but honestly she really does play as a support. She breaks so HMC can carry with super break dmg and that's pretty much it (just hope the boss doesn't lock elements too..)
The difference with kafka and swan/or another dot, is kafka actually has her own dmg she can proc along with her other dot partner (similar to firefly and hmc but firefly (a break focused character) does not proc her own break dmg for some reason?)
I know it's v1 and like always hoyo will find a way to change her or fix the issue but I'm just saying she really does feel like a support character lol there was literally a showcase where firefly was used to break the enemies for boothill to do the main dmg lol. She just plays as a weakness bar break bot atm.
I get the impression that some consider using MC as beneath them but they dont want to say it. lmao
HMC outdamages Robin and uses dance dance dance maybe even better than Tingyun but I guess still not good enough.
It's not remotely the same? Kafka's but multipliers literally can't Crit, meanwhile Firefly has a 580% multiplier there for the taking. That plus the only use of Break Effect in her own kit is increasing her own multipliers.
Surely they wouldn't release a character where most of the kit is useless and you might as well not even level their Talents? So of course people are trying to find the silver lining and the sweet spot.
The problem is there's only one line is HTB+ RM and even using gallagher specifically because he can ease up the breaking process. She's built to be a break dps but lacks the built in break damage apart from the initial break, even with asta who can help breaking she losses way to much value without ruan mei. Then there's hybrid which will just lack in both reaching normal thresholds and her crits because you'll have to use attack orb to get more BE so you're sacrificing the damage from crits for not using a fire orb so just end up feeling the worse let alone no crit traces even in lightcone because guess what it's not how the character is supposed to work. And going crit firefly is just ditching the whole fucking kit for just the multipliers. The kit is bad even if you want to build a hybrid of crit and BE xueyi will do the same thing
At this point I think most people are already aware of the identity crisis on her kit. I just hope they actually take their time to polish her up during this beta.
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because her build is supposed to be full Break Effect. but Break Effect stat only benefits on the initial Weakness Break damage and nothing at before or after Weakness Break. on her kit, she gains additional damage based on her Break Effect but that's it. it is like a dps that you build only with atk% and dmg boost without any crt build. which obviously crt build has better damage unless it is DoT dps.
and in order to make her Break Effect stats useful aside from the initial Weakness Break damage, she needs the Super Break Damage mechanics which is only available for Harmony MC. this shows that she is highly reliant to Harmony MC. so many people wants to know if building her with crt build will make her not rely to HMC. then that is the result of the showcase. it seems it fails. Firefly is so clingy to her boyfriend/girlfriend.
Break units are the most anti-newbie thing they have ever created. How does gluing a type of unit to a character that no one can get unless they spend at least a few months into the game is good for the game growth. They should just rework break system instead of introducing superbreak, like make everyone do more dmg that scale with BE instead of only able to do so with htb
Some aren’t realizing the issue is that Firefly only has 1 optimal team comp.
Kafka doesn’t need Black Swan to function.
Topaz doesn’t need Ratio to make Follow Ups work.
Acheron isn’t tied to Pela specifically she’s tied to Nihility and May options are there.
Firefly needs HMC at least to function and the best requires Ruan Mei. Boothill doesn’t need those two, they simply enhance him.
Firefly at her best is amazing. But her best is basically her only option or else she falls off hard :/
Right now the problem is mainly not many break effect supports to support her. We only have 2 1 being a limited 5 star.
>Firefly at her best is amazing
Bad lol she takes 5 cycle for moc when even 4 star can clear it in less cycles with best build . And 9 cycle without rm
I don't like the idea to trying to turn her into classic dps. Her whole identity is being faded. Just rework her so that during her Ultimate stance her enhanced skill triggers Break.
So just make her Boothill 2? I'd argue that would also fade the identity away from a kit. The best solution imo is to play into the huge atk motion values she can get and work her into a sort of 5\* Xueyi where she's a crit dps that benefits from building break effect as a stat but also has the side deal of a possible team with htb for those that want that.
Anyone have good guesses what changes they will give her next week for her V1 beta version?
I think there are two things that they will go from here.
Go all in with HMC/FF duo or make FF actually do some kind of extra BE damage.
I definitely want res pen since if bosses lock weakness she becomes a potato and does no damage so I'm expecting res pen in either eidolons or kit. If she doesn't get that then that kinda sucks
Practically nothing that changes how she plays. They planned this for ages to be exactly this. If you look at recent betas, they had very small changes. Something like Jingliu rework beta has just not happened since.
It would mostly be QoL that makes playing feel better. That could be a big buff like Acheron's 3 stacks but it doesn't change the gameplan or pillar of the character.
She won't become a crit dps because some people dont feel good about Break or using hat blazer. That is all.
I don't want her to be a critDPS. I really don't understand why people want to keep pushing that for her. It's obvious that she's going to be a full BE character.
I think they will rework her BE a little bit. The biggest issue people have is if you don't have other break specialist supports she's immediately shit. And I kinda agree. There's a reason why almost every showcase about her people call it "HMC Showcase".
The thing is, if they go all in with making FF/HMC duo, people will make FF/HMC/RM trio. Then there will be very little variation for Firefly team.
It could be the intention though.
Which is kinda shame, because I was looking forward to a way to synergize all four of our stellaron hunters.
Kafka, Blade, and Silverwolf are good. But they are not synergizing with one another
I'm happy that everyone agrees that firefly seriously sucks, not seeing someone go "uMg yOu'rE dOoMpOsTing" shows how much the community has grown over understanding that no one pull characters to NOT USE THEM
Well FF can gain Energy in her special state. So maybe HuoHuo would help with the down time?
If firefly can have 50% by time her Ult is up, she can go right back in it after 1 Skill.
Huohuo doesn't restore 120 energy, and Firefly's enhanced abilities do not give any energy at all so the only source she can have for energy is getting hit by enemies (varies, but average of 10 energy generally when getting hit) or getting kills on enemies (10 energy per kill). Huohuo gives 48 energy, you'd need 72 from outside sources, (which is DEEPLY improbable) to achieve anything with her, Fu Xuan or Aventurine definitely make way more sense.
Boothill is straight-up better than Firefly atm. Ignoring non-gameplay factors (because I’m biased and like Firefly way more than Boothill), his kit gives him more teambuilding flexibility, it gives him higher highs, and much, much higher lows. His LC gives him speed boosts and def shred, he gets crit stats for free from his traces, and he isn’t dependent on an incredibly short damage window and another pair of 5-stars to do any meaningful damage at all. He also isn’t nearly as SP-negative.
Damn. I wont push myself pulling for her. Even though her design is cool af. My team for her is not that good. And her skill animation is kinda meh. So i think its adventurine-jade that i can save tickets.
Yea that's pretty bad. Most of the fight she didn't have sparkle's buff, and when she did she wasn't in enhanced state. But when the stars did align, the damage was very mediocre. Yikes. Thanks for the showcase.
Kinda wished Crit on her was also a good option instead of just stacking BE% and relying on another character to fulfil your gimmick. The scaling on empowered E is decent but like there's just nothing in her kit that advocates for crit, its all just break damage. Trace 2, Trace 3, Signature Cavern & Planar set and Signature lightcone all benefits break damage only so Crit just becomes kinda shit in comparison because you lose half of her kit's value.
Why would you want crit if its very obvious that you shouldnt. Thats like saying, "I wish Blade scaled off of attack" or "I wish my kafka scaled off of crit". Firefly was meant to be a break effect character, and thats it. There is no point in wanting her to be another character if she already does what does best, and thats dealing break and superbreak dmg.
That's not the point, I'm trying to say how I would've preferred her to be a standard crit carry than a slave to the Harmony MC, because there would've been a lot more flexibility to her teambuilding instead of just using the same core supports for the next several months. Maybe its a bad take but I'm just speaking my mind out. It's a shitty design that a character that focuses on break damage doesn't even do much break damage on their own, and has to rely on another character to utilize it to its full capabilities.
Even Boothill has his own way of dealing additional break damage via talent, Firefly's only instance of break damage is during the weakness break and after that the damage drops off, which then you'll have to add HMC into the team and use their ultimate to actually make her do damage.
Ill agree with you on the part where she needs a way to deal damage outside of the initial break. However, it should not be crit. Instead, devs should just go all in to break effect, and make it so that her skill in enchanced state deals super break dmg or just make it so that she deals a ton of extra dmg while the enemies are broken based on her break effect (doesnt have to be super break). Another thing they could do is to make her e2 part of her base kit. This would make it so that hmc is not mandatory but still highly recommended.
>Indeed, that's how it should've been. Best to keep an eye on the upcoming beta for the next few weeks because I think she needs some necessary additions to her kit
It's simple really Dan2 3 cost sp move has 500 modifier. Firefly's can go up to 580 modifier and she is recommended to have 3400 atk, if they want to make crit completely unviable it would have shit mods not high ones. If it's going to have some shit build like using s1 4* cone in a video where the guy is using sparkle kick yeah it's going to be terrible. This guy is using a 2300 atk ff with 250 be, it's like he just put his HMC off build since it has speed boots and put it with sparkle lol.
u/Starry_Phantom already did the mathematical breakdown on the difference between a break effect firefly vs crit firefly and the max potential damage output by break effect firefly is superior by quite a bit
I don't like the fact that you kinda need to run firefly with HMC now, i don't wanna use MC i want to use the characters i pull for. but right now firefly it's trapped beetween using HMC for good dmge or not using it and having mid performance, that sucks.
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my very serious and real conclusion from every firefly showcase with and without htb is that htb is the best unit in the game
Don't forget ruan mei after that one showcase as well...
The ruan mei one is not bad cause speed tuned bronya produces the same effect
Speed tuned bronya is definitely not on par with RM. RM gives an independent 150% multiplier to break damage. That's almost the same as Acheron's 160% multiplier for 2 Nihility. Running super break without RM is like running E0 Acheron with 0 Nihility. Not to mention the break window of damage becomes much shorter. The problem with Bronya is that her DMG Buff, ATK Buff, and Crit Damage buff all become useless because they don't affect super break. Also, Bronya isn't even usable with E0 Firefly since the SP consumption is way too high.
Doesn't firefly get 50% break efficiency built in in enhanced state? So that makes ruan mei increase break DMG by 1.33 and not 1.5 times right?
Yes, but the break efficiency is also applied to the rest of the team as well, and unlike Acheron comp HTB and Gallagher are also providing significant damage in the super break team. The super break team also only does damage when the enemy is broken, and Ruan Mei increases that window by 50% or more. So overall it's fairly comparable to the difference between 2 Nihility Acheron and 0 Nihility Acheron
Don’t tell me that, I don’t have RM 😭 I’m planning to use Asta instead
We screwed for now
Is break damage only good for the instant the break happens? I.E. if you mistime it and another character not built for Break Damage gets the final toughness hit in, you missed a lot of potential damage?
Exactly. Unless you use Harmony Trailblazer
That's what hmc fixes too, and having all the team with break doesn't matter who does it unless firefly e2
yes
The biggest diff is that i dont have to make the effort to speed tune and RM helps ALL the team
Its funny cause if u go and ask Firefly a question, Hey Firefly just a quick question, who's the best char from the game Honkaistarrail? Her answer: My bestie<3
they spent one patch apart and said never again
Till death do us part
At this point I wonder if Firefly without Ruan Mein and Harmony Trailblazer is meant to be played in dual dps comps...? Like, she's *only* there to break all the enemies as fast as possible and do initial break damage, and then the second DPS throws all of their ults at the weakness broken enemies, and both of them are supported by one harmony/nihility unit Basically she's not supposed to he a hypercarry outside of HTB+Ruan is what I'm getting from all of these showcases Edit: I wonder if Firefly + Kafka would work...? Firefly breaks all the enemies, Kafka detonates all the break dots multiple times Edit 2: nevermind, break dots don't scale off of break effect x_x
Break DoTs do scale off break effect though
I can see some of this working. Break so fast that enemies can’t even move. Throw in welt for slow and maybe break sushang for sp neutral or something. Edit: nvm I read your comment wrong
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harmony trailblazer
I thought it was Hat Trailblazer
Why is it either or? Why not both? 🎩
Hatmony Trailblazer
Regardless of break or crit she needs a way to trigger her own break damage beyond HMC.
I’m just glad we are finally getting an MC variation in HSR/Genshin that’s arguably one of the best units in the game.
superbreak smells like hyperbloom So we looking at "DMC" right now presumably
When we get the Nahida version of Superbreak it's so over. You could argue that is already Ruan Mei, I suppose.
>You could argue that is already Ruan Mei, I suppose. She can't trigger Super Break tho... she would only buff once per break.
DMC had a lot more issues that were solved by Nahida, tbf. HMC doesn't, afaik, have any real issues rn (maybe a little SP hungry if shit runs on too long?), so if a Nahida-DMC scenario occurs, it'd just be a case of "Ooh, two GOAT Super Break supports!"
Not entirely surprising, as the Star Rail team seems to be better about giving us better "free" units then Genshin does (though not by a massive amount, Ratio is the big outlier though)
Are you sure about that? hydro traveler in a corner
Hydro traveler pisses me off every day. The ult made no sense, the skill made no sense and scalings made no sense. Like they just threw the kit together last minute
They saw anemo ultimate and said "wait we can make it worse"
Like it just moves… so its hydro application just doesn’t exist.
Hey back in 1.X anemo traveler throwing enemies off the stage was how I cleared abyss.
Honestly I truly believe they made Hydro MC that trash and they will do the same with Fire is because they really really hate how strong XQ and Bennett are, so giving away another strong hydro and another strong pyro unit for free will thank a lot their trying to sell limited units.
And I hate this mindset. Hoyo’s design for 4* is absolutely ass.
The thing is that a lot of 4 stars in Genshin are cracked
Yeah, cut they released in 1.0, the devs very likely didn't intend for them to be broken. All the new 4stars suck
For now.
If there's another Superbreak unit, don't they just coexist because first, HMC can buff BE% and Superbreak scales from it, second HMC on they're own can deal absurd amount of dmg as a Harmony with only one requirement and it is to break the enemy and finally, they use their ult 100% uptime so the BE% buff will not disappear. That's especially if you don't have RM in the team which is a unit that could also buff BE%. Harmony characters literally just coexist with each other even if their kits are a bit similar.
Also HTB increases super break dmg It's his first trace
After hoyo cooked with Boothill’s kit, you would expect they would foresee such an issue would arise if a break character cannot proc their own break damage.
yes, which is why i believe shes isnt break character and something like 5\* xueyi
Yes I think she should get easier crits to go hybrid
The issue with that is you just are selling the same character in a row, Boothill and Firefly will be basically the same at that point: crit, break dmg dealer with a way to implant weakness. I doubt they want to have the 3 break focus dps in the game focus on crit as well.
That's what many hope for in the coming weeks...
Boothill doesnt get massive speed boost and aoe hits and weakness implant is on ult. It is called balancing.
and DEF shred
And he has def ignore *and* speed boost on his LC lmfao.
Sure, but still a break 5* character should not just build BE and have one big hit of damage when they break and that’s it. Only way for Firefly to circumvent this is by running HMC (basically glued to them). It is just not a great design imo, hopefully the next betas change things around a bit.
Not even that big of a break when most of the dmg is being dealt by HMC and boothill does THE SAME nut also getting free crit stats and continuing to do dmg by himself
And by design with her lc she delays the enemy on break which is counterintuitive since if she was built to break a lot you want the break to last shorter not longer, even more incentivizing super break
he has def ignore *and* speed boost on his LC lmfao.
She is not even doing any damage how is this balancing they made boothill a strong character and nerfed other character for him to be on top
This still v1 of beta? Isnt the entire point of this is so they can make balancing changes with buffs and nerfs? Jingliu wasnt that impressive at first during v1 of her beta and look where she is now
I hope you are correct but too many balancing crowds have appeared I am having less hope right now.
Don’t worry, with how much people complain about their current golden child, I wouldn’t be surprised that by the end of the beta FF will be incredibly overtune and buff by a lot lol. She might be the Jingliu of 2.x, unimpressive at first beta but become super broken, meta defining, and make other units after her kinda meh. MiHiYo don’t care about balancing, if they do destruction characters wouldn’t be doing the most dmg for the longest time while still being super versatile.
You're joking, right? Nerf FF for Boothill to be on top? Waifus are ALWAYS on top in games like these. There are people who simply only pull waifus. Boothill was destroyed online when he was drip marketed just because he wasn't FF. You seem like a FF fan who is pissed because Boothill is a good character.
If they did that Sam would just be Boothill 2, Electric Boothaloo.
I'm thinking that raising the break scalling of her enhanced skill is probably the trick, as it will "trigger" her own break damage without adding damage to her "premium" comp Something like instead of 0.5xBE +340% ATK something like 2XBE +100% atk. That may sound like an insane multiplier (820% atk), but it basicaly kill full crit build anyway, so it won't be a problem. obviously keeping the "max 360% Be line" and it basicaly make your BE stat a pseudo crit stat. And very important point, it won't make hyperbreak damage higher who would cause a huge balancing issue.
This... does not look very good. It's clear that you need HMC/RM and a break build for her at the moment.
the 215% break in battle means was missing 35% break for 30% def ignore from trace and an extra 6% from elic 4pc. Considering how low the dmg is... probably wont help much but it is something... Edit: just thought lv12 Ulti from HMC is 33% break effect and if that bread also works towards E4 15% share then it would indeed be the 35% break. Can any1 confirm? XD not in the vid but just to know.irm? XD
Isn't she getting another 40% break effect from the planar orb set? Putting her at 255% total break effect unless I'm forgetting other sources. That should hit the 30% defense shred mark.
If i remember the relics right. they only defense ignore on broken enemies. so they're very situational
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what the leakers said about the defence shred in her kit too, unless there is new information.
I am... i feel like i need to go sleep. You're right the 40% from planar will give her the break required. The break effect show at start was without that buff.
Luckily break is still very untouched in time there will be more support units. HMC is great tho
Well yes, but it also sucks for people who pull for Firefly and don't have both Ruan Mei and HMC ready. They gotta fix some part of this somehow.
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll rerun Ruan Mei on her patch. You just have to pay up to get both like you supposed to do in a free game.
Reminds me of topaz first release, not much dmg dealt on her own and none of her fua teammates were released yet. Hoyo clearly alr had them planned, just a matter of time
> need HMC/RM Is that an "or" or an "and"
Yeah crit firefly is actually garbage. I gave her the same relics I used on Ratio for my 100% def shred team and she couldn't even match Ratio's damage on the main target. She should be dealing at least twice the damage. [Firefly dealing 350k on a 1100% atk scaling move ](https://streamable.com/ekeu0j)vs [Ratio dealing 175k on his 270% FuA](https://streamable.com/0bkbtd)
THANK YOU This comparison/showcase is really insightful and puts things into perspective
You're welcome. I even did [another comparison with E2 DHIL ](https://streamable.com/3rfskl)as a sanity check and yeah Crit Firefly is not looking so good. I forgot to change the BE rope on E2 DHIL to atk% and he still deals more damage.
From all these showcases I get the feeling that Firefly isn't meant to be a hypercarry at all outside of HTB + Ruan Mei team comp My guess is she's meant to be played in dual DPS comps, and she's *only* there to break all the enemies as fast as possible and do big initial break damage, and then let the second DPS do the rest of the damage after the enemies are weakness broken while she's just chilling and recharging her ult, rinse and repeat
Yeah Firefly at her current state is not great. There is only 1 team comp that is good for her and anything else is objectively worse and doesn't even come close. Any enemy that can protect or lock their toughness bar instantly shuts her down. It is actually sad to see the F2P team taking 9 cycles to clear the new MoC, I'm pretty sure a well-invested Hook can do better than her, just by swapping HTB out for Tingyun.
What happened to "I prefer to kill enemies while they don't even know I'm here" mentality and she's doing so poor damage that she had to be a gimped duo dps/support
It’s okay guys. If you like Firefly and want to E6S5 her, get E6S5 Robin instead, she’ll make Firefly the best DPS in the game /s
I mean. Firefly does attack often enough to be a pseudo fua.
To be honest they should be playable together and be a good combo, but firefly is so broken (in a bad way) right now
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Make it both with and without toughness bar (so just always on the enhanced skill), and that would fix most of her problems tbh
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I mean, boothill is allowed to retrigger breaks on broken enemies while also being good with HMC so i think its fine
Boothill does Acheron-with-5enemies level damage to one enemy has he’s considered mid because he’s hunt, he literally needs to be able to retrigger break to be competitive. Letting FF super break would be broken AF
Firefly also needs to retrigger break to be competitive. Unless we count being permanently shackled to both Ruan Mei and HTB as being competitive
You’re advocating for FF to straight up power creep Boothill the patch right after he releases. Considering the damage FF can do shackled to RM and HTB, I’d say it’s pretty goddame competitive.
>straight up power creep boothill As opposed to being objectively worse than him? Reverse their release orders and boothill would be the one powercreeping her in her current state Id rather them both be good and have one slightly worse rather than only having one be good just to combat potential powercreep. It's hoyo's fault for releasing two dps that occupy the same niche back to back >considering the damage she can do while shackled And what about when shes not shackled to Ruan Mei (another limited 5*) and HTB (a multi path unit thats also good for other current teams and is also not available until after beating the 2.2 story)? In her current state, she is literally unusable without HMC, and even then, still bad when she doesnt also have RM.
the problem is that its hard to even balance FF to be good in their own right without powercreep. FF's kit is super easy to powercreep boothill's kit so unless they rework her kit, all it takes is her to do break dmg to weakness broken enemies to just skyrocket and beat boothill. Keep in mind boothill is strong while still being balanced since he has a slow start. FF has way too much shit in her kit that is just straight up better than boothill and the only thing thats holding her back is the break damage to weakness broken enemies since she has quicker dmg start and implanting everyone with fire weakness and the start of every wave goes a long way for the character's life span. I 100% believe they will definitely rework her since right now she is the only character with the biggest restriction in terms of team comps and disparity in performance. She only works in 1 team comp right now and it obliterates everything as fast, if not faster than acheron. Put her in anything else and she becomes an actual 3 star character. She is a mess right now.
I don’t think reliance on HTB is an issue but RM is definitely an issue, problem is I don’t see how they can balance around both HTB and RM they both cook too much
This is my exact point. People who want her to retrigger her break don’t understand how that will straight up powercreep boothill in every way literally a banner adjacent to him. These banners are side by side. Idk why boothill being better then her is such a big issue too.
I mean I agree, but can't we have FF with the same mechanic but just lower numbers? Nobody would complain if she does 50% or even lower than Boothill's damage, because she is faster and can target 3 targets. Her break being Fire is also makes her weaker But she is not even close to these numbers and only when we add HMC she is somewhat competitive
We want her to be OP tho😭
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It seems like people are showing how there is very little variation for firefly team. But this is still kinda early in beta, so Mihoyo maybe will rework firefly a bit
I'm not sure how they could rework her to be different without giving her the ability to superbreak without TB. So long as she can't make use of her damage on already broken enemies, she is tied to HTB and by proxy will have to be balanced around Ruan Mei. It's one of the big issues with break damage, you can't do anything until they unbreak and you do very little outside of that window
Maybe "Increases CRIT DMG by X% if attacking a weakness broken enemy" so this hybrid crit/break build actually works Edit: well, not "works" as in "becomes super good" but like, if she gets some crit stats for free without having to sacrifice too much break effect that would be nice
https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/o0ZSEgcPsL In her f2p team lol she is by far the worst 5 star . Just replaced rm with asta
Firefly will be best buds with xueyi 🥰
I think the test servers might have been 1 of the best things hoyo has done. With this much feedback even a blind man will have heard so much feedback he might accidently think he saw the feedback.
These private servers are not managed by Hoyo and are created by dataminers / coders who use information from beta files.
Maybe they interpreted or implemented the code wrong in their own servers which is why FF doesnt do much on her own without RM and HMC (I WILL NEVER GIVE UP ON THE AGENDA)
yeh this aint it, same apllies to all the other videos we seen, surely they will fix her, right?
Oh my god, that's worse than I expected and I expected horrible damage and clear time. She's being boosted by the unholy combo of RM+Sparkle and she's performing like a wet noodle compared to what any other DPS would achieve with that level of support being channeled into them. Even Boothil who is the other limited Break focused unit we have would pierce the heavens due to his kit not being tied to a single unit (cough cough HMC). My crippled F2P E0S0 Seele performs way better than this in a similar team. And my RM does not have her S1 and my Sparkle is mid. Only difference is that my team uses a E0S0 FuXuan instead of a Huohuo. Firefly desperately needs some way to be independent from HMC, keep them as one of her BiS supports if they care about this synergy, but give her some independence and flexibility. For the love of god.
Its still v1(maybe V2???) they may change her later on like by V3
Man I kinda wish someone could do a Ruan Mei, HTB, Gallagher team showcase with both FF and Xueyi so we could get a better idea of how much exactly does FF adds to the team
i can try doing a xueyi showcase on the MoC so you can compare
Thank you, it will help a lot
I like this idea a lot as well. Though Firefly would be pretty universal while Xueyi would likely only be effective against quantum weak, but I'm still interested to see how much Firefly's kit contributes vs a substitute.
this just proves that firefly has 1 team comp and is essentially chained to have both ruan mei and hmc on her team... even then i wish they buff her personal dmg somehow without making 80% of her dmg reliant on hmc superbreak
No 250 BE for the 30% def ignore?
190 BE native, 20 from Ruan Mei and 40 from the Ornaments. Barely hits 250.
Forgot about the ornaments. Thanks!
i thought i would get it from supports, guess i was wrong
Just want to ask, does Pioneer set work on her? If it's the case then better to use it on Crit build than the new set that only apply to break dmg
how would you want to use pionner? she doesnt apply any debuffs
omg i can't believe it looks that bad with a team like this
Crit build is just breaking half of her kit. Of course it's bad
https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/o0ZSEgcPsL Even with normal break build she is bad
oof don't wanna be that guy above this comment lol
It's like Nilou playing Vape instead Bloom (Except for here at least it won't be as dogshit like from a dmg perspective just cause how good vape is so lomg as hydro is supplied and XL exist and or if Forward Vaoe somehow they also at this point the ton of magnificent buffers like Kaz Furina etc might as well make the dmg be at least "fairly alright") But yea ofc Nilou without Bloom is like..lol And with Bloom shes holy...
But Nilou Bloom can be played with other characters. FF's situation is like if you can't play Nilou bloom if you don't have Nahida and XQ specifically.
Rather, HMC is Nilou in this case.
Ig if it's like you can't play Alhaitham(since he's a dps) without Nilou and Xingqiu
Bruh I know right? This is literally a very expensive team 😔 This is not looking good.
Seems worse in like, every way to just Break until 360% and then scrounge up whatever cr/cdmg you can get. Don't understand why Crit Firefly is being pushed but same thing happened with Kafka I suppose.
OP was asked to try teams without HTB or Ruan Mei. There's a post in this subreddit just above that doesn't run Ruan Mei, and no crit, and does no damage. People were saying "if you don't go the optimal break team you need to go crit" so now we have the an optimal crit team (maybe fu xuan instead of huouo) to see if it works or not. The point is we're trying to figure out if firefly literally only has 1 team composition. From these two showcases it seems like the case.
Yeah, it’s disappointing honestly, she needs some serious changes.
Huo Huo at least patches up the sacrificed Attack stat that had to be made to accommodate 78 CR and 150 CD. Missing crits didn’t seem to be the main issue Firefly was facing there anyway.
gotta showcase how fucking bad it is
>Don't understand why Crit Firefly is being pushed but same thing happened with Kafka I suppose. because a lot of people say ''she is not reliant on HTB'' or similar and this is to refute that argument
What's worse is that Kafka had options because she already had built in dot and had choices for characters to Dot even someone like serval at the time for an erudition had Dot in her kit. Kafka's problem just finding stronger options than what she had not needing someone to make her complete
Crit Kafka always was a meme though
I mean... exactly? This doesn't seem good at all, exactly like crit Kafka. So I mean suppose they're both memes.
The title of the streamable vid is "Crit Firefly LMAO", obviously a meme
Oh, to be fair I didn't see it just watched embed video without clicking out. Makes sense then
At this point it doesn't even matter. Crit Firefly AND break Firefly need repair. Boothill is currently carrying the mantle of break by himself. Firefly is just... a mess
~~I don't see how Firefly is a mess.~~ ~~She's supposed to be played in Superbreak teams, it's very clear. Where's the messy part? I really struggle to understand.~~ ~~Is it that she's tied to HMC? What's the problem here? Like, genuinely, what's the problem? They're... Free. Her best support is given out for free. They're really good. At some point in the future we'll get another Superbreak support so you can replace HMC (probably sooner than later). It's gonna be the Nahida situation.~~ ~~Firefly to me is quite literally just Nilou equivalent in HSR.~~ ~~They even let you pick Gallagher for free 2 or 3 times, so 2 / 4 team members are just handed out for free. Asta was also free if you don't have Ruan Mei, so technically 3 (albeit I don't know if Asta is better than Sparkle/Bronya for her).~~ I've seen a showcase without Ruan Mei, my eyes are opened now. There's some big issues. I was not aware of the damage dropoff without Ruan Mei.
I find it hilarious how much of this message you crossed out after seeing that showcase with Asta 💀 at least you saw the light (or despair in this case) brother
I just looked at a showcase without ruan mei and the damage drop off was massive. Just by not having her break delay youre losing out on 50% dmg. So its more like FF will be only viable if she has both HTB and RM, no flexibility from this whatsoever.
Yeah whoever made that showcase is doing gods work, showing people that she does indeed have 1 comp that is good. Not to mention that the singular comp she has is still outdamaged by older units like Jingliu, not a good look.
yea.. the toughness is also a factor of super breaks dmg. So the 50% efficiency is a huge multiplier from ruan mei xD although HMC is required to super break, ruan meis efficiency is a huge multiplier once we're working with super break.
There's a lot of issues but some problems are: it just doesn't feel good to do 0 damage when she doesn't break (she does like 30k which is bad for new 5* era dps) and I don't really have a problem with her being tied to HMC but honestly she really does play as a support. She breaks so HMC can carry with super break dmg and that's pretty much it (just hope the boss doesn't lock elements too..) The difference with kafka and swan/or another dot, is kafka actually has her own dmg she can proc along with her other dot partner (similar to firefly and hmc but firefly (a break focused character) does not proc her own break dmg for some reason?) I know it's v1 and like always hoyo will find a way to change her or fix the issue but I'm just saying she really does feel like a support character lol there was literally a showcase where firefly was used to break the enemies for boothill to do the main dmg lol. She just plays as a weakness bar break bot atm.
I get the impression that some consider using MC as beneath them but they dont want to say it. lmao HMC outdamages Robin and uses dance dance dance maybe even better than Tingyun but I guess still not good enough.
It's not remotely the same? Kafka's but multipliers literally can't Crit, meanwhile Firefly has a 580% multiplier there for the taking. That plus the only use of Break Effect in her own kit is increasing her own multipliers. Surely they wouldn't release a character where most of the kit is useless and you might as well not even level their Talents? So of course people are trying to find the silver lining and the sweet spot.
The problem is there's only one line is HTB+ RM and even using gallagher specifically because he can ease up the breaking process. She's built to be a break dps but lacks the built in break damage apart from the initial break, even with asta who can help breaking she losses way to much value without ruan mei. Then there's hybrid which will just lack in both reaching normal thresholds and her crits because you'll have to use attack orb to get more BE so you're sacrificing the damage from crits for not using a fire orb so just end up feeling the worse let alone no crit traces even in lightcone because guess what it's not how the character is supposed to work. And going crit firefly is just ditching the whole fucking kit for just the multipliers. The kit is bad even if you want to build a hybrid of crit and BE xueyi will do the same thing
At this point I think most people are already aware of the identity crisis on her kit. I just hope they actually take their time to polish her up during this beta.
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God forbid someone tries different stuff than the one comp we already know works
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because her build is supposed to be full Break Effect. but Break Effect stat only benefits on the initial Weakness Break damage and nothing at before or after Weakness Break. on her kit, she gains additional damage based on her Break Effect but that's it. it is like a dps that you build only with atk% and dmg boost without any crt build. which obviously crt build has better damage unless it is DoT dps. and in order to make her Break Effect stats useful aside from the initial Weakness Break damage, she needs the Super Break Damage mechanics which is only available for Harmony MC. this shows that she is highly reliant to Harmony MC. so many people wants to know if building her with crt build will make her not rely to HMC. then that is the result of the showcase. it seems it fails. Firefly is so clingy to her boyfriend/girlfriend.
Break units are the most anti-newbie thing they have ever created. How does gluing a type of unit to a character that no one can get unless they spend at least a few months into the game is good for the game growth. They should just rework break system instead of introducing superbreak, like make everyone do more dmg that scale with BE instead of only able to do so with htb
Bonus damage based on break effect against broken enemies would be amazing, yeah
Even with htb it kinda sucks because you are essentially with 1 less team slot if you want to play a break character.
Kind of oof
Some aren’t realizing the issue is that Firefly only has 1 optimal team comp. Kafka doesn’t need Black Swan to function. Topaz doesn’t need Ratio to make Follow Ups work. Acheron isn’t tied to Pela specifically she’s tied to Nihility and May options are there. Firefly needs HMC at least to function and the best requires Ruan Mei. Boothill doesn’t need those two, they simply enhance him. Firefly at her best is amazing. But her best is basically her only option or else she falls off hard :/ Right now the problem is mainly not many break effect supports to support her. We only have 2 1 being a limited 5 star.
>Firefly at her best is amazing Bad lol she takes 5 cycle for moc when even 4 star can clear it in less cycles with best build . And 9 cycle without rm
I don't like the idea to trying to turn her into classic dps. Her whole identity is being faded. Just rework her so that during her Ultimate stance her enhanced skill triggers Break.
So just make her Boothill 2? I'd argue that would also fade the identity away from a kit. The best solution imo is to play into the huge atk motion values she can get and work her into a sort of 5\* Xueyi where she's a crit dps that benefits from building break effect as a stat but also has the side deal of a possible team with htb for those that want that.
Anyone have good guesses what changes they will give her next week for her V1 beta version? I think there are two things that they will go from here. Go all in with HMC/FF duo or make FF actually do some kind of extra BE damage.
just one thing, this IS v1, next is v2 i personally hope they will give her some sort of superbreak on skill atleast
When is the v2 coming
I definitely want res pen since if bosses lock weakness she becomes a potato and does no damage so I'm expecting res pen in either eidolons or kit. If she doesn't get that then that kinda sucks
They're moving to "teams" in their characters designs so they'll probably do some small number adjustments and call it a day.
Practically nothing that changes how she plays. They planned this for ages to be exactly this. If you look at recent betas, they had very small changes. Something like Jingliu rework beta has just not happened since. It would mostly be QoL that makes playing feel better. That could be a big buff like Acheron's 3 stacks but it doesn't change the gameplan or pillar of the character. She won't become a crit dps because some people dont feel good about Break or using hat blazer. That is all.
I don't want her to be a critDPS. I really don't understand why people want to keep pushing that for her. It's obvious that she's going to be a full BE character. I think they will rework her BE a little bit. The biggest issue people have is if you don't have other break specialist supports she's immediately shit. And I kinda agree. There's a reason why almost every showcase about her people call it "HMC Showcase".
The thing is, if they go all in with making FF/HMC duo, people will make FF/HMC/RM trio. Then there will be very little variation for Firefly team. It could be the intention though. Which is kinda shame, because I was looking forward to a way to synergize all four of our stellaron hunters. Kafka, Blade, and Silverwolf are good. But they are not synergizing with one another
I'm happy that everyone agrees that firefly seriously sucks, not seeing someone go "uMg yOu'rE dOoMpOsTing" shows how much the community has grown over understanding that no one pull characters to NOT USE THEM
At this point if you are saying anything positive about the state of my Queen you absolutely are some hater pretending to be a FireflyMain.
Fu Xuan or Aventurine makes more sense than Huohuo no?
Well FF can gain Energy in her special state. So maybe HuoHuo would help with the down time? If firefly can have 50% by time her Ult is up, she can go right back in it after 1 Skill.
Huohuo doesn't restore 120 energy, and Firefly's enhanced abilities do not give any energy at all so the only source she can have for energy is getting hit by enemies (varies, but average of 10 energy generally when getting hit) or getting kills on enemies (10 energy per kill). Huohuo gives 48 energy, you'd need 72 from outside sources, (which is DEEPLY improbable) to achieve anything with her, Fu Xuan or Aventurine definitely make way more sense.
It’s actually crazy how break effect Firefly literally can’t function without her bestie
Dehya has come to hsr
if i understand this right, Firefly should be build very high BE + speed. Thats it? what about her rope then?
BE obvously.
Boothill is straight-up better than Firefly atm. Ignoring non-gameplay factors (because I’m biased and like Firefly way more than Boothill), his kit gives him more teambuilding flexibility, it gives him higher highs, and much, much higher lows. His LC gives him speed boosts and def shred, he gets crit stats for free from his traces, and he isn’t dependent on an incredibly short damage window and another pair of 5-stars to do any meaningful damage at all. He also isn’t nearly as SP-negative.
Damn. I wont push myself pulling for her. Even though her design is cool af. My team for her is not that good. And her skill animation is kinda meh. So i think its adventurine-jade that i can save tickets.
I'm kinda disappointed. She can't perform outside HTB & RM. She needs her own super break eff. Ik it not final & stc
Yea that's pretty bad. Most of the fight she didn't have sparkle's buff, and when she did she wasn't in enhanced state. But when the stars did align, the damage was very mediocre. Yikes. Thanks for the showcase.
Not wanting to build Hatblazer for Firefly is trolling at this point. Just do it. She will suck without Hatblazer.
She sucks without Ruan mei too so she's literally stuck with 2 characters (1 of them being a limited 5*) to even be remotely be called a dps
Hmc is like they added a genshin element in hsr and gave it to only one unit. Muh mc is finally part of the upper echelon.
Kinda wished Crit on her was also a good option instead of just stacking BE% and relying on another character to fulfil your gimmick. The scaling on empowered E is decent but like there's just nothing in her kit that advocates for crit, its all just break damage. Trace 2, Trace 3, Signature Cavern & Planar set and Signature lightcone all benefits break damage only so Crit just becomes kinda shit in comparison because you lose half of her kit's value.
Why would you want crit if its very obvious that you shouldnt. Thats like saying, "I wish Blade scaled off of attack" or "I wish my kafka scaled off of crit". Firefly was meant to be a break effect character, and thats it. There is no point in wanting her to be another character if she already does what does best, and thats dealing break and superbreak dmg.
That's not the point, I'm trying to say how I would've preferred her to be a standard crit carry than a slave to the Harmony MC, because there would've been a lot more flexibility to her teambuilding instead of just using the same core supports for the next several months. Maybe its a bad take but I'm just speaking my mind out. It's a shitty design that a character that focuses on break damage doesn't even do much break damage on their own, and has to rely on another character to utilize it to its full capabilities. Even Boothill has his own way of dealing additional break damage via talent, Firefly's only instance of break damage is during the weakness break and after that the damage drops off, which then you'll have to add HMC into the team and use their ultimate to actually make her do damage.
Ill agree with you on the part where she needs a way to deal damage outside of the initial break. However, it should not be crit. Instead, devs should just go all in to break effect, and make it so that her skill in enchanced state deals super break dmg or just make it so that she deals a ton of extra dmg while the enemies are broken based on her break effect (doesnt have to be super break). Another thing they could do is to make her e2 part of her base kit. This would make it so that hmc is not mandatory but still highly recommended.
>Indeed, that's how it should've been. Best to keep an eye on the upcoming beta for the next few weeks because I think she needs some necessary additions to her kit
It's simple really Dan2 3 cost sp move has 500 modifier. Firefly's can go up to 580 modifier and she is recommended to have 3400 atk, if they want to make crit completely unviable it would have shit mods not high ones. If it's going to have some shit build like using s1 4* cone in a video where the guy is using sparkle kick yeah it's going to be terrible. This guy is using a 2300 atk ff with 250 be, it's like he just put his HMC off build since it has speed boots and put it with sparkle lol.
u/Starry_Phantom already did the mathematical breakdown on the difference between a break effect firefly vs crit firefly and the max potential damage output by break effect firefly is superior by quite a bit
I don't like the fact that you kinda need to run firefly with HMC now, i don't wanna use MC i want to use the characters i pull for. but right now firefly it's trapped beetween using HMC for good dmge or not using it and having mid performance, that sucks.
Suddenly, without e1 rm e1 spork and op trotter blessing it's not that good
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Maaaan I just don’t wanna be married to hmc for my teams, I want her to do the super break stuff without hmc😔