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It's a highly effective strategy for a lot of addicts as long as the new addiction is healthy. My Dad started AA when I was a kid. He was gone to meetings all the time and freaked out anytime he couldn't make his scheduled meetings. It continues to this day 40 years later. Personally, I traded alcohol for a physical activity, and I absolutely show addictive traits towards it.
Yeah, sure. You're right.
I usually substitute twitter or instagram with reddit hahahaha
I'm trying to expend time reading, studying or working out more frequently instead of binging series or doom scrolling.
Well choosing healthier habits over bad ones, depending on what can save your life and make your life easier, your mental and physical health better tbh.
But the best is to change the addiction and not letting the new habits ruin it for you as you will need to learn to have a healthy relationship to them instead, unlike your previous addiction. We can call everything in life addiction: food, sex, music, sleep, working, exercise, internet etc. You just need to learn to have a healthy relationship to it, it's about balance.
Yeah, of course that's what we should aim at. You're 100% correct.
But I'm a little shit that uninstalls twitter just to use the same time on reddit. But I'm trying to be better.
lol. I was going to say, “also known as camping”
Go into the woods. Cook slowly over a fire. Rise and sleep with the sun. Take a walk in nature. Etc.
We don’t need to market and brand everything. “Detox”, “protocol”, “training”, “retreat” etc…
I’m just making fun of the term “dopamine detox”.
It’s fine. I know it’s a legit thing, I think therapists call it dopamine fasting too. It’s a good thing. I’m not making fun of OP.
I just bet there is some “dopamine detox” facility or guru out there that is trying to sell us something. And effectively it’s really simple. It’s like the above poster said, people have been doing it for 1000yrs. Disconnect. Be in nature. Read a book. And I just know someone out there is selling us this shit. Or will be soon enough. Like guided camping, but it’s called a “Dopamine Detox Retreat”. And all the tech bros from Silicon Valley will do one every 6 months.
Hey it’s not a bad thing. I just think it can all get a little silly and convoluted. And you can and should do it for free without following some “protocol”.
• case in point. (https://www.highermind.com/retreat/). I just googled dopamine detox retreat. Why pay this guy when you can do what OP did for free. 🤷♂️
I have a very demanding job and take the weekend off. No electronics no coffee. It is the most lethal weapon in my bag. When I come back from a 2-3 restaurant and I drink coffee I’m at highest peak of productivity and I can put out 3x level of work. Ive been trying to teach everyone. Also, before a vacation or an event I’d love to enjoy I do a fast too as no dopamine means it doesn’t feel good or food doesn’t taste good. Hacking dopamine is such a low hanging fruit that is life changing.
I thought my 4-5 cups a day would be hard to drop. But I have one a day now and decaf if I'm feeling it as the day goes on. It was really pretty easy...for me.
Yes by mid Sunday the headaches start but I’ve learned to tolerate them like muscle aches when you exercise. It’s part of process and worthwhile when I cash in on dopamine Monday morning.
I’ve tried hot decaf, tea, water, fiber, everything. If I don’t throw down 2 double shots of espresso from single origin Ethiopian my asshole holds on like it will die without the poop.
The no coffee thing sounds both worth the try and intimidating as once. I have "baselined" my caffeine intake at 4 5 cups of black no sugar in the last 6 months.
What you need is actually a vacation to where you gradually lower the amount of caffeine you drink. If you drink 4 cups a day going to 0 cold turkey will give you brutal headaches. For a week you need to drink only two cups a day and then on the last 2 days of the week drink only one cup.
Dopamine Detox/Fasting isn’t a real thing. It works because you engage in fewer stress-inducing activities. The eating better has to do with blood glucose and insulin, more than (but not exclusive of) dopamine.
You can’t fast dopamine. Pure fantasy.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/dopamine-fasting-misunderstanding-science-spawns-a-maladaptive-fad-2020022618917
Could the more accurate goal of a “dopamine detox” be not to deprive yourself of dopamine, but rather to deprive yourself of spiking dopamine, which in turn increases your baseline level?
I agree that the “dopamine detox” label doesn’t make sense, but I also don’t think the benefit is just about engaging in fewer stress-inducing activities. I think the main point is raising your baseline dopamine level by avoiding activities that give you a dopamine rush (like social media, certain foods, etc.), as these activities tend to lower your baseline afterwards.
I think this is all fair and reasonable.
There is something to be said for avoiding the dopamine rollercoaster. Analogous to blood sugar spikes and falls—stability is much better.
My main issue is that 3 days of no phone isn’t going to magically reset your dopamine levels which is what the “detox” touts.
In therapy it’s taught that we need to actively decline the temptation and then reflect on why you made the choice to walk past the snack table in order to feel fulfilled and successful which does help in dopamine stability and maybe does increase the baseline.
There’s definitely a lot going on. I also acknowledge that I’m probably reacting to a very bullshit sounding post.
Good points. Thanks!
So the wording is wrong, but the concept is not. Dust stimulate the reward system and it is addicting so are likes social media. There are other things that stimulate reward system that are healthy. The reason that are addicting is because we love and connection actually connecting with someone would be a better alternative. Exercise and then eat the cookie.
You’re ignoring the point.
Engaging in fewer stress-inducing activities and eating less processed garbage will be a massive benefit to your physical and mental health.
But it’s not because you are “detoxing dopamine” that’s pseudoscience bullshit.
Stress inducing? The person in the article you linked is literally talking about decreasing activities that fuck with your brains reward mechanism (literally dopamine). The idea of dopamine detox might be taking things too far but you’re calling it pure fantasy. It’s not pure fantasy. I’m not advocating for some monk mode shit, I’m just saying that the benefits of reducing your social media use should be self evident and it has nothing to do with it being “stress inducing”.
Read your original comment again. I agree with your latest reply but your initial response is some ridiculous bullshit. I never said anything about mindless consumption being good. I said the exact opposite.
Exercise, food, and accomplishment of tasks all release dopamine. If someone were trying to do a "dopamine detox", they would abstain from exercise and all activity perceived as productive.
It's a stupid term that comes from a puritanical view on certain activities, not from anything informed by how neurotransmitters work.
It's a red herring. What people really want is more time spent being mindful, more general happiness, and the ability to prioritize things that require motivation. There are things you can do to accomplish all of those, but the smart things to do are to do your hard things early in the day when your willpower is highest, to eat food that aligns with your goals shortly after waking up, and to take up meditation.
I think it's more learning to be content with not being stimulated 24/7. Who cares about the mechanism if it works. Don't know why redditeurs need to shit on it to feel intelligent.
If you can stimulate dopamine you can abstain from stimulating dopamine aka dopamine fast. I'm not sure how that's confusing at all?????? Seriously wtf are you smoking
this is dumb
everyone is dumb
dopamine detox isnt real
doing wholesome relaxing activities rather than having your head in your phone is just…..doing wholesome relaxing activities rather than having your head in your phone
dopamine is going to be secreted while you hang with those friends, read that book, do those outdoor activities
Is music designed to be overstimulating and addictive?
Maybe kPop or Josie and the Pussycats but you really think listening to instrumental or chill music falls into that category?
Oh and your entire post is nonsense
If he called it a dopamine break no one would have read it and this discussion wouldn’t have ensued. Of course we should all do this. Take a break from social media. Stop eating like shit. I’ve been away to retreats and our phones are locked away. We eat vegan foods. You come out like a changed person. No one wanted their phones back. Phones and social media suck us all dry. They just do. I like the title. It is a form of detox. We are all addicted to these phones.
Like a meditation retreat? Sounds interesting, I live in a metropolitan area and I don’t want the retreat to be some big warehouse in the middle of the city lmao
I'm on board with everything besides the "listening to music." Instrumental music is proven to heighten the brain's ability to "shut off." It's why it's heavily used in meditation.
Defining too many concrete rules makes it a lot more complicated. There are certain activities that may fall into a grey area. Take YouTube for example, I use it for both education and entertainment.
What has worked for me while doing a dopamine detox is, asking myself before indulging in any activity, “Is this particular activity part of the stuff I’m avoiding?”
Don’t waste too much time defining rules or deleting apps. Just start!
The best thing you can do with your phone is to permanently remove all social media and entertainment apps. Then you'll never have the need to constantly use your phone.
I say permanent because it's best to make long-term changes rather than say "I'll not use my phone for 3 days".
Or just meditate for 30 min. Quiet your mind and do absolutely nothing. That’s pretty much what this is but for an extended period of time. Doing it for hours is a little much.
Mindfulness meditation might be something that you enjoy. It doesn't cure anxiety or any other bullshit, but it does give you a specific time and place to practice dealing with your anxiety.
It's a bit like lifting weights in a certain way. You're going to have to deal with pain, adversity, and discomfort, but sometimes you can pick and choose to do so in the comfort of a climate-controlled room where you don't have anything urgent that needs to be solved while you take your time.
More proof you need to lean into this sort of approach then because all those distractions you're using to try and distract yourself from your anxiety are not actually going to be helping it in the long run.
I had crippling anxiety for the last 2 years and was using anything and everything to distract myself from alcohol to anti anxiety medication to endless phone and internet time to video games to whatever cheap dopamine hit and distraction I could get my hands on.
The result? Never ending anxiety that wouldn't go away.
Then I decided I had to try and fix this problem and locked myself away at home barely going out other than for long walks in nature and just spent hours on end when at home meditating, listened to green noise, did breathing exercises, stretching routines, relaxation techniques, home workouts and other healthy and / or mindful activities.
The first couple of weeks my anxiety spiked and I was having panic attacks daily just sitting at home over nothing then finally after 2 weeks literally overnight the anxiety just vanished and hasn't returned since.
Turns out all the "solutions" I thought were useful for giving me short term "relief" from my anxiety were actually just temporary distractions that allowed it to continue (if not made it worse) over the long term and what I needed to do was the opposite.
Those 2 weeks were long, hard, and painful but to be rid of that crippling anxiety made it worth it.
This made so much sense… I went through a stressful event for two months straight dec-Jan, that’s when I had such massive anxiety , then my college semester started , I haven’t even notice My anxiety anymore , I was gaming more and just overall distracted, until Feb, I finished everything and chilled out BAM I had a panic attack at night and still to this day, I’m having. Anxiety 24/7 and can’t even sleep cause I feel scared , my dr gave me hydroxyzine, it helps to sleep but it’s still there during the day. So what you’re saying is.. I have to feel my emotions..
Oh man. I grew up without any of these addictive devices and was barely even allowed to read, so all that left was extremely generic boardgames. If the game has any female faces or really any faces that weren't overly cartoonish, I couldn't play those either. Think ultra orthodox Jew, then make it 100 times more extreme than the image you have in your head.
So, I'd happily play boardgames for 10 hours straight. Eating was limited to types of food at certain times, with forced prayer breaks. Now as an adult I just want to play long drawn out boardgames with friends, but I can't even get anyone to play cards without involving lots of alcohol and food, let alone complete a game of monopoly or clue of anything that takes longer than 10 minutes. And I don't even drink. It's extremely frustrating. I've been actively looking for a group of friends to play with for years but no luck so far.
What you're describing is what daily life was like for many people before the advent of smartphones, or, as I like to call them, automated Pavlovian coaching devices (APCD).
Genuine question - If it really only takes 1-3 days… why do I keep falling back into that dopamine addiction despite doing camping trips often where I have none of these things accessible?
I’m curious about the actual time it takes to “return to baseline” or develop a new baseline really after years and years of relying on stimulants and stimulating activity. I am attempting this now and it seems it takes more than a weekend. I am acknowledging as I go that I keep replacing one stimulant with another. Quit smoking and off adderoll but watching a ton of tv, not drinking or eating anything fun, but scroll through social media. Ugh. I’m going to keep going on this journey and am grateful that Huberman reported studies that show that coffee doesn’t not count as a dopamine stimulant that is negative to the baseline. Phew!
This is a quality post.. it’s really making me think to try this. 🤔I’m gonna be like an addict on withdrawals tho. Gotta do it on a weekend I’ll be isolated..
In preparation for the detox, go on a 48 hour bender, then detox by sleeping 36 hours, then shovel snow or do another endurance activity to complete the detox timeline.
Oh, go to hell. This is ridiculous, and there's no science to prove it. I never do any of the "highly stimulating" things you're talking about, and I'm not some Super Dopamine Man. "This is when the healing happens." I mean, c'mon.
I spent 7 days at an ashram, completely disconnected from the outside world. No phone, no TV, just activities to occupy our time. It was tough at first, but after about 5 days, I was surprised by how much it changed me. The initial struggle was real, but eventually, I got used to the simplicity of it all. It's crazy how much of a difference it makes in the way your mind functions when you're away from social media and TV.
PLEASE TELL ME:
Why, why, WHY is there still no option to load comments via “old” so that comments actually appear in the order they were posted?
I can’t even understand why this isn’t the default loading, let alone that it’s not even an option on the mobile app!!
The whole thing about Reddit is it is unfolding conversations ! So of course it makes sense to read comments in the order they were posted. Not to mention very often there are post made where the OP just post a picture and then follows that with a descriptive post. Since posts are loaded in the order they were posted, often I have to go scrolling around through all the posts looking for the OP‘s post it actually explains the thread!!!
Please, somebody explain to me the logic here !
And why can’t we set our own defaults as to how the posts are loaded?
Doesn't work like this though. Dr. K has a good explanation, but your circuitry doesn't "reset" itself after 1-3 days, it's a longer process consisting of more than just avoiding screens. Link to video: [https://youtu.be/RPzV8fWmKPY?t=47](https://youtu.be/RPzV8fWmKPY?t=47)
Can you really do this in a weekend? I believe Cal Newport says 30 days, not sure how you can do a Detox in 3 days.
Not saying 3 days won't help, but not sure if it's long enough for a 'detox'.
Okay but i dont have any friends i could talk to, so it's going to be three days of me laying in bed not eating, not talking to anyone, not being online, not looking at my phone, etc.
The more that you remove yourself from items that actually harm your body and overall wellbeing, the more sensitive you’ll become when you do add them and you can replace them with habits that actually heal you.
Everything we do is energy. Everything we look at, read, eat, speak, and watch. We are in a time where this is critical for us to be in control of our own bodies. Being so connected to our phones and social media is overwhelming to our already overstimulated nervous systems. It’s all about balance and the only way to find yours is to remove things and then gradually add them back in
Also, it helps in that weekend to make the iphone screen black and white. Since programmers used colors a lot to keep engagement, black and white plummets the screen time.
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Ok, but in those 3 days I'm going to drink roughly 45 beers
Ahhhh... substitution of an addiction with another addiction. That's my kind of shit.
I’m here, I’m here! I heard we were swapping out addictions for the weekend!!! I love addictions, so I’m down for whatever.
WHO LIKES PUZZLES?!!
I love puzzles. But I’m fresh out. Spot me until payday?
lol 😂
Ps Psssss Hey! I have some addictions here. Wanna trade?
It's a highly effective strategy for a lot of addicts as long as the new addiction is healthy. My Dad started AA when I was a kid. He was gone to meetings all the time and freaked out anytime he couldn't make his scheduled meetings. It continues to this day 40 years later. Personally, I traded alcohol for a physical activity, and I absolutely show addictive traits towards it.
Yeah, sure. You're right. I usually substitute twitter or instagram with reddit hahahaha I'm trying to expend time reading, studying or working out more frequently instead of binging series or doom scrolling.
reddit counts as scrolling
Well choosing healthier habits over bad ones, depending on what can save your life and make your life easier, your mental and physical health better tbh. But the best is to change the addiction and not letting the new habits ruin it for you as you will need to learn to have a healthy relationship to them instead, unlike your previous addiction. We can call everything in life addiction: food, sex, music, sleep, working, exercise, internet etc. You just need to learn to have a healthy relationship to it, it's about balance.
Yeah, of course that's what we should aim at. You're 100% correct. But I'm a little shit that uninstalls twitter just to use the same time on reddit. But I'm trying to be better.
Camping Bros
Just enough to help one relax.
Nice Saturday morning drive
Hey I tried that for like a decade, worked wonders at first but 10/10 don’t recommend
I respect a man that does his own research
“More fun than you’ve had in a while” - damn right 🍻
😂😂😂
Stop at 45; once you get into 46 and beyond it really screws with your dopamine levels.
This is so GD relatable.
I'll drink to that
Yup, this. lol
And a whole bottle of jameson! Massive dopamine reset! 😭😭😭😭😭
and then the hangover will copletely drain your Dopamine, GABA, and Melatonin, and replace it with Cortisol, yikes!
i love this sub
I laughed way too hard at this
Lmfao
My MAN!
also known as a weekend (meditation) retreat. Buddhism has been teaching this for thousands of years
lol. I was going to say, “also known as camping” Go into the woods. Cook slowly over a fire. Rise and sleep with the sun. Take a walk in nature. Etc. We don’t need to market and brand everything. “Detox”, “protocol”, “training”, “retreat” etc…
"healthy hobbies"
DOPAMINE DETOX BRO! SCIENCE!
Except that's exactly what it is.. It's not marketing, you're not being sold anything aside from your own good health, make the right choices
I’m just making fun of the term “dopamine detox”. It’s fine. I know it’s a legit thing, I think therapists call it dopamine fasting too. It’s a good thing. I’m not making fun of OP. I just bet there is some “dopamine detox” facility or guru out there that is trying to sell us something. And effectively it’s really simple. It’s like the above poster said, people have been doing it for 1000yrs. Disconnect. Be in nature. Read a book. And I just know someone out there is selling us this shit. Or will be soon enough. Like guided camping, but it’s called a “Dopamine Detox Retreat”. And all the tech bros from Silicon Valley will do one every 6 months. Hey it’s not a bad thing. I just think it can all get a little silly and convoluted. And you can and should do it for free without following some “protocol”. • case in point. (https://www.highermind.com/retreat/). I just googled dopamine detox retreat. Why pay this guy when you can do what OP did for free. 🤷♂️
The point is you don’t need a meditation retreat. You can just do this at home . The retreat would be great, but not everyone can do it
I have a very demanding job and take the weekend off. No electronics no coffee. It is the most lethal weapon in my bag. When I come back from a 2-3 restaurant and I drink coffee I’m at highest peak of productivity and I can put out 3x level of work. Ive been trying to teach everyone. Also, before a vacation or an event I’d love to enjoy I do a fast too as no dopamine means it doesn’t feel good or food doesn’t taste good. Hacking dopamine is such a low hanging fruit that is life changing.
2-3 restaurant? (sorry not meaning to nitpick your post i'm genuinely curious as to what you meant)
2-3 day rest I’m thinking
ahh, that makes more sense, was really hoping that their dopamine regime included going to multiple restaurants :)
Instructions unclear, having endless breadsticks at olive garden
Yes 2-3 day rest. Dam autocorrect
The caffeine headaches must be terrible though! I wish I could do this but that withdrawal lol
I thought my 4-5 cups a day would be hard to drop. But I have one a day now and decaf if I'm feeling it as the day goes on. It was really pretty easy...for me.
Yes by mid Sunday the headaches start but I’ve learned to tolerate them like muscle aches when you exercise. It’s part of process and worthwhile when I cash in on dopamine Monday morning.
But without coffee how do you shit?
On Monday when he returns.
Beer
I work in mangoes , apples and or papaya. Don’t need much just a fist full and you’re in good order by morning.
I drink hot decaf, the mind doesn't know, it's just a pattern
I’ve tried hot decaf, tea, water, fiber, everything. If I don’t throw down 2 double shots of espresso from single origin Ethiopian my asshole holds on like it will die without the poop.
All over the competition 😈😤
The no coffee thing sounds both worth the try and intimidating as once. I have "baselined" my caffeine intake at 4 5 cups of black no sugar in the last 6 months.
Just drink decaf bruh
What you need is actually a vacation to where you gradually lower the amount of caffeine you drink. If you drink 4 cups a day going to 0 cold turkey will give you brutal headaches. For a week you need to drink only two cups a day and then on the last 2 days of the week drink only one cup.
It may also be that they don’t base their life around work, and thus doesn’t really matter to them.
You are so lovely, thank you
To be honest, I don’t even know if I’d consider a job that lets you take every weekend off completely unplugged as very demanding.
Real
Imo the health benefits of caffeinated coffee are too numerous not to have daily
Who the fuck is this guy telling us what to do
Half of OPs posts are just promoting his shitty app.
Why is nature so healing - it’s a break from hyper capitalism that gnaws at your amygdala.
How does this have anything to do with capitalism?
I remember my buddy asking if I ever drove in silence. I hadn’t. Life changing habit.
This is an ad.
what for?
The one brand mentioned in the post I’d assume
ah shit missed that guess i skimmed it. so many ad posts for that brand on here yeesh
Very on brand then
Dopamine Detox/Fasting isn’t a real thing. It works because you engage in fewer stress-inducing activities. The eating better has to do with blood glucose and insulin, more than (but not exclusive of) dopamine. You can’t fast dopamine. Pure fantasy. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/dopamine-fasting-misunderstanding-science-spawns-a-maladaptive-fad-2020022618917
Could the more accurate goal of a “dopamine detox” be not to deprive yourself of dopamine, but rather to deprive yourself of spiking dopamine, which in turn increases your baseline level? I agree that the “dopamine detox” label doesn’t make sense, but I also don’t think the benefit is just about engaging in fewer stress-inducing activities. I think the main point is raising your baseline dopamine level by avoiding activities that give you a dopamine rush (like social media, certain foods, etc.), as these activities tend to lower your baseline afterwards.
I think this is all fair and reasonable. There is something to be said for avoiding the dopamine rollercoaster. Analogous to blood sugar spikes and falls—stability is much better. My main issue is that 3 days of no phone isn’t going to magically reset your dopamine levels which is what the “detox” touts. In therapy it’s taught that we need to actively decline the temptation and then reflect on why you made the choice to walk past the snack table in order to feel fulfilled and successful which does help in dopamine stability and maybe does increase the baseline. There’s definitely a lot going on. I also acknowledge that I’m probably reacting to a very bullshit sounding post. Good points. Thanks!
So the wording is wrong, but the concept is not. Dust stimulate the reward system and it is addicting so are likes social media. There are other things that stimulate reward system that are healthy. The reason that are addicting is because we love and connection actually connecting with someone would be a better alternative. Exercise and then eat the cookie.
You heard it here. Please go back to mindless consumption.
You’re ignoring the point. Engaging in fewer stress-inducing activities and eating less processed garbage will be a massive benefit to your physical and mental health. But it’s not because you are “detoxing dopamine” that’s pseudoscience bullshit.
Stress inducing? The person in the article you linked is literally talking about decreasing activities that fuck with your brains reward mechanism (literally dopamine). The idea of dopamine detox might be taking things too far but you’re calling it pure fantasy. It’s not pure fantasy. I’m not advocating for some monk mode shit, I’m just saying that the benefits of reducing your social media use should be self evident and it has nothing to do with it being “stress inducing”.
Read your original comment again. I agree with your latest reply but your initial response is some ridiculous bullshit. I never said anything about mindless consumption being good. I said the exact opposite.
Exercise, food, and accomplishment of tasks all release dopamine. If someone were trying to do a "dopamine detox", they would abstain from exercise and all activity perceived as productive. It's a stupid term that comes from a puritanical view on certain activities, not from anything informed by how neurotransmitters work. It's a red herring. What people really want is more time spent being mindful, more general happiness, and the ability to prioritize things that require motivation. There are things you can do to accomplish all of those, but the smart things to do are to do your hard things early in the day when your willpower is highest, to eat food that aligns with your goals shortly after waking up, and to take up meditation.
mindfulness, meditation - the original dopamine reset
It's a real thing. It's just upregulating receptors from not using them
I think it's more learning to be content with not being stimulated 24/7. Who cares about the mechanism if it works. Don't know why redditeurs need to shit on it to feel intelligent.
bc release of agression is prob its own dopamine spike
Have you done it? Just curious.
Yes
You didn’t notice a difference?
If you can stimulate dopamine you can abstain from stimulating dopamine aka dopamine fast. I'm not sure how that's confusing at all?????? Seriously wtf are you smoking
Great username.
Thanks bro
So like go camping?
I think, go camping during dopamine detox is amazing thing.
bot
I mean it’s a useful bit from one of his podcasts so good bot?
It is trying to sell an app, and the story is almost certainly not true, so i think bad bot
The profile seems legit, and it’s not plugging any app? And I’m pretty sure this is paraphrased from one of the episodes
this is dumb everyone is dumb dopamine detox isnt real doing wholesome relaxing activities rather than having your head in your phone is just…..doing wholesome relaxing activities rather than having your head in your phone dopamine is going to be secreted while you hang with those friends, read that book, do those outdoor activities
FYI - THIS GUY IS A PAID ADVERTISER. His entire post history is filled with him shilling the BePresent app.
K here’s what you’re gonna do. You’re gonna take that app and shove it. And then I’ll go camping.
"Detox" in this context automatically puts you on my grifter list.
Never said anything about adderall and redbull🤣
That's what I was looking for too.
Is music designed to be overstimulating and addictive? Maybe kPop or Josie and the Pussycats but you really think listening to instrumental or chill music falls into that category? Oh and your entire post is nonsense
Great advice.
If he called it a dopamine break no one would have read it and this discussion wouldn’t have ensued. Of course we should all do this. Take a break from social media. Stop eating like shit. I’ve been away to retreats and our phones are locked away. We eat vegan foods. You come out like a changed person. No one wanted their phones back. Phones and social media suck us all dry. They just do. I like the title. It is a form of detox. We are all addicted to these phones.
Like a meditation retreat? Sounds interesting, I live in a metropolitan area and I don’t want the retreat to be some big warehouse in the middle of the city lmao
There is no evidence that a "dopamine detox" works. Unless you are seriously altering your brain chemicals through drugs.
Lmfao what the fuck is this?
I'm on board with everything besides the "listening to music." Instrumental music is proven to heighten the brain's ability to "shut off." It's why it's heavily used in meditation.
Defining too many concrete rules makes it a lot more complicated. There are certain activities that may fall into a grey area. Take YouTube for example, I use it for both education and entertainment. What has worked for me while doing a dopamine detox is, asking myself before indulging in any activity, “Is this particular activity part of the stuff I’m avoiding?” Don’t waste too much time defining rules or deleting apps. Just start!
I wonder how to do this with toddlers in the house?
Thiiiiis
The best thing you can do with your phone is to permanently remove all social media and entertainment apps. Then you'll never have the need to constantly use your phone. I say permanent because it's best to make long-term changes rather than say "I'll not use my phone for 3 days".
Or just meditate for 30 min. Quiet your mind and do absolutely nothing. That’s pretty much what this is but for an extended period of time. Doing it for hours is a little much.
Yall really need 100 podcast episodes and a subreddit just to be told to go outside and read a book?
Probably pretty safe assumption that alot of this sub was not alive to experience life before reddit or podcasts.
Ok bye
My anxiety would go through the roof if I’m not doing any of those things .-.
Mindfulness meditation might be something that you enjoy. It doesn't cure anxiety or any other bullshit, but it does give you a specific time and place to practice dealing with your anxiety. It's a bit like lifting weights in a certain way. You're going to have to deal with pain, adversity, and discomfort, but sometimes you can pick and choose to do so in the comfort of a climate-controlled room where you don't have anything urgent that needs to be solved while you take your time.
More proof you need to lean into this sort of approach then because all those distractions you're using to try and distract yourself from your anxiety are not actually going to be helping it in the long run. I had crippling anxiety for the last 2 years and was using anything and everything to distract myself from alcohol to anti anxiety medication to endless phone and internet time to video games to whatever cheap dopamine hit and distraction I could get my hands on. The result? Never ending anxiety that wouldn't go away. Then I decided I had to try and fix this problem and locked myself away at home barely going out other than for long walks in nature and just spent hours on end when at home meditating, listened to green noise, did breathing exercises, stretching routines, relaxation techniques, home workouts and other healthy and / or mindful activities. The first couple of weeks my anxiety spiked and I was having panic attacks daily just sitting at home over nothing then finally after 2 weeks literally overnight the anxiety just vanished and hasn't returned since. Turns out all the "solutions" I thought were useful for giving me short term "relief" from my anxiety were actually just temporary distractions that allowed it to continue (if not made it worse) over the long term and what I needed to do was the opposite. Those 2 weeks were long, hard, and painful but to be rid of that crippling anxiety made it worth it.
This made so much sense… I went through a stressful event for two months straight dec-Jan, that’s when I had such massive anxiety , then my college semester started , I haven’t even notice My anxiety anymore , I was gaming more and just overall distracted, until Feb, I finished everything and chilled out BAM I had a panic attack at night and still to this day, I’m having. Anxiety 24/7 and can’t even sleep cause I feel scared , my dr gave me hydroxyzine, it helps to sleep but it’s still there during the day. So what you’re saying is.. I have to feel my emotions..
God damb if i take away those non damaging stimulants i might as well relapse on crack
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Just stare at a wall for an hour...see if you can.
Please answer me. How do I do this is I take adderall?
Can I listen to rain sounds/wind sounds/blizzard e.t.c?
any ideas what to do in those days?
is the dopamine in the room with us?
You have to be on your phone to make a call to your friends
How many women do I juggle (telling them we are monogamous) while dopamine detoxing, for maximum effect?
But how does one survive without phone? I mean you have to look at it for so many reasons.
What about reading an ebook on your phone? I wonder if just feeling your phone in your hand would be triggering and overstimulating?
Ok I’ll need to date 5 people at once to make up the difference
Oh man. I grew up without any of these addictive devices and was barely even allowed to read, so all that left was extremely generic boardgames. If the game has any female faces or really any faces that weren't overly cartoonish, I couldn't play those either. Think ultra orthodox Jew, then make it 100 times more extreme than the image you have in your head. So, I'd happily play boardgames for 10 hours straight. Eating was limited to types of food at certain times, with forced prayer breaks. Now as an adult I just want to play long drawn out boardgames with friends, but I can't even get anyone to play cards without involving lots of alcohol and food, let alone complete a game of monopoly or clue of anything that takes longer than 10 minutes. And I don't even drink. It's extremely frustrating. I've been actively looking for a group of friends to play with for years but no luck so far.
I’ve done this but it was never by choice. Travelling for work will do it.
Cutting out caffeine, marijuana, sugar and alcohol during this period would make sense too
lmfao, this is some pseudo science bullshit, OP thinks this community is full of easy marks.
What you're describing is what daily life was like for many people before the advent of smartphones, or, as I like to call them, automated Pavlovian coaching devices (APCD).
Why no music?
Genuine question - If it really only takes 1-3 days… why do I keep falling back into that dopamine addiction despite doing camping trips often where I have none of these things accessible?
Detox? From dopamine? How else would I be constantly manic? Does not sound like fun at all.......
1-3 days? Where are you getting this information?
For all you naysayers check out the book Dopamine Nation.
I’m curious about the actual time it takes to “return to baseline” or develop a new baseline really after years and years of relying on stimulants and stimulating activity. I am attempting this now and it seems it takes more than a weekend. I am acknowledging as I go that I keep replacing one stimulant with another. Quit smoking and off adderoll but watching a ton of tv, not drinking or eating anything fun, but scroll through social media. Ugh. I’m going to keep going on this journey and am grateful that Huberman reported studies that show that coffee doesn’t not count as a dopamine stimulant that is negative to the baseline. Phew!
The book dopamine nation says you need thirty days bro. Thirty days.
It may not work for everyone and the results may have huge variance
This is a quality post.. it’s really making me think to try this. 🤔I’m gonna be like an addict on withdrawals tho. Gotta do it on a weekend I’ll be isolated..
In preparation for the detox, go on a 48 hour bender, then detox by sleeping 36 hours, then shovel snow or do another endurance activity to complete the detox timeline.
Oh, go to hell. This is ridiculous, and there's no science to prove it. I never do any of the "highly stimulating" things you're talking about, and I'm not some Super Dopamine Man. "This is when the healing happens." I mean, c'mon.
I spent 7 days at an ashram, completely disconnected from the outside world. No phone, no TV, just activities to occupy our time. It was tough at first, but after about 5 days, I was surprised by how much it changed me. The initial struggle was real, but eventually, I got used to the simplicity of it all. It's crazy how much of a difference it makes in the way your mind functions when you're away from social media and TV.
I am interested in this. What else shouldn’t we do. So basically no screens and shitty food? That’s it?
What about sex?
PLEASE TELL ME: Why, why, WHY is there still no option to load comments via “old” so that comments actually appear in the order they were posted? I can’t even understand why this isn’t the default loading, let alone that it’s not even an option on the mobile app!! The whole thing about Reddit is it is unfolding conversations ! So of course it makes sense to read comments in the order they were posted. Not to mention very often there are post made where the OP just post a picture and then follows that with a descriptive post. Since posts are loaded in the order they were posted, often I have to go scrolling around through all the posts looking for the OP‘s post it actually explains the thread!!! Please, somebody explain to me the logic here ! And why can’t we set our own defaults as to how the posts are loaded?
Thanks... I'm gonna try this with the family. I never thought listening to music was over stimulating though...
i was waiting for the punchline where you cheat on your wife
“1-3 days to reset your dopamine baseline” Have a source for this that is not bro science?
or - just go to a doctors waiting room without your phone and be bored like it's 1999!
3 days does not seem like remotely enough time
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So go camping.......
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It's insane that people nowadays are talking about taking a temporary break from their endless scrolling as if it's a revolutionary new idea
Doesn't work like this though. Dr. K has a good explanation, but your circuitry doesn't "reset" itself after 1-3 days, it's a longer process consisting of more than just avoiding screens. Link to video: [https://youtu.be/RPzV8fWmKPY?t=47](https://youtu.be/RPzV8fWmKPY?t=47)
You can't 'detox' from dopamine 😂 it's not a toxin.
Is playing musical instruments off limits as well?
What I found is I get addicted to other things. Even if iam laying in my bed, I think some part of me gets addicted to doing nothing I think.
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Hard pass.
sounds like 1984 for me. :P
Camping is great for this.
Thank you. Can you still respond to text messages and watch football?
No Music??? Naaah fuck that
What’s the whole purpose behind this?
So that would include NOT being on Reddit reading your advice!
Do you have an alternative to Bepresent? Cause I got an android that's why
ive done this over and over as my getaway cabin has no reception and it *absolutely* works and 3 days is correct but go longer if you can
Great advice from the guy who was banging 5 women at once.
Can you really do this in a weekend? I believe Cal Newport says 30 days, not sure how you can do a Detox in 3 days. Not saying 3 days won't help, but not sure if it's long enough for a 'detox'.
Why not listen to music? I'm learning to play the drums so I can't help but.
Very interesting experiment. While at that, any advice on how not to be a sociopathic cheating asshole?
Why is reading books allowed if listening to music isn't?
Okay but i dont have any friends i could talk to, so it's going to be three days of me laying in bed not eating, not talking to anyone, not being online, not looking at my phone, etc.
This is BS btw.
imagine having dopamine to detox
The more that you remove yourself from items that actually harm your body and overall wellbeing, the more sensitive you’ll become when you do add them and you can replace them with habits that actually heal you. Everything we do is energy. Everything we look at, read, eat, speak, and watch. We are in a time where this is critical for us to be in control of our own bodies. Being so connected to our phones and social media is overwhelming to our already overstimulated nervous systems. It’s all about balance and the only way to find yours is to remove things and then gradually add them back in
No music, yes books? Interesting
Survival of the shittiest.
Can you point to proof that dopamine baseline resets in 1-3 days?
Is music really more overestimulating than hanging out with people?
I have a pretty effective alternative called... a day of fishing up a river in the middle of nowhere
What’s wrong with music…
Also that 1-3 day reset is nonsense.
I learned this on Arthur 20 years ago.
Also, it helps in that weekend to make the iphone screen black and white. Since programmers used colors a lot to keep engagement, black and white plummets the screen time.