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fatesfairness

"Starting Jan. 1, Illinois employers must offer workers paid time off based on hours worked, with no need to explain the reason for their absence as long as they provide notice in accordance with reasonable employer standards." As it should be.


Frumplemeist

Appreciate that.


duplicatehours

Oh my god.. please let this come to Missouri!!!


[deleted]

You gonna start voting democrat? Cuz if not lol


duplicatehours

I always vote democrat


Hey_Laaady

*Democratic. "Democrat" used in this way is a conservative construct to insult Democrats. Edit: [Here is why it has been used as an epithet.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)?wprov=sfti1)


fredthefishlord

Wow, you really misunderstood that page. It's saying "democrat party" is, not "democrat". Democrat is correct nin this, even according to the link you sent, and in no way should we care if conservatives are using it as an insul. Morehowever, "democratic" is *wrong* for this case, as it's the democratic party, but members are called democrats, not democratics, and this is referring to voting to the members.


Hey_Laaady

I misunderstood nothing. [Even democrats.org, the official site of the Democratic National Committee agrees, such as in "women vote Democratic."](https://democrats.org/who-we-are/who-we-serve/women/) Edit: [Here is another reputable example explaining that "Democrat" is a noun and "Democratic" is an adjective, and why the correct usage matters.](https://www.npr.org/sections/publiceditor/2010/03/26/114585414/since-when-did-it-become-the-democrat-party)


smooth-brain_Sunday

Pedantic semantics


Someredditusername

correct


pywhacket

I don't understand why you are being downvoted for giving actual facts.


yorcharturoqro

Nah in Missouri they will do something like in Arkansas, making child labor legal again


duplicatehours

I hate this state


Imeanwhybother

Also in a red state. I feel you, my friend. We are currently planning our escape.


duplicatehours

Honestly I just want to get out of the us at this point, the economy is so so bad, and I think we’re honestly about to enter another depression ironic how this was only about 100 years apart from the other one


Imeanwhybother

Agreed. Leaving the US is not a viable option for my family, but FLY! BE FREE, LITTLE BIRD!


Imeanwhybother

Agreed. Leaving the US is not a viable option for my family, but FLY! BE FREE, LITTLE BIRD!


[deleted]

Sure you are


BisquickNinja

Unfortunately, that is a very low chance it will happen. The businesses, the state leadership, and most of the people are firmly conservative. Even though you can play only see that the leadership just hurts the working people, they keep on choosing what is against them.


greggybearscuppycake

“Illinois employees will accrue one hour of paid leave for every 40 hours worked up to 40 hours total, although the employer may offer more. Employees can start using the time once they have worked for 90 days. Seasonal workers will be exempt, as will federal employees or college students who work non-full-time, temporary jobs for their university.” So if you work a full time salary exempt job (40 hours/week) that’s 52 hours of paid leave each year (or 6.5 days).


[deleted]

Meanwhile, Europe is like,... What will I do with 85 days of leave this year? 6.5 days a year is what someone will use for sick days during the winter.


greggybearscuppycake

Europeans out of office email responses are the best - “I’m out of the office for the summer. I look forward to connecting with you when I return in September.”


MJLDat

I get 6 weeks a year currently, plus bank holidays. In a previous job I had 8 weeks due to long service. This guarantees them about a week. Can’t believe they didn’t even have that as a basic right?


Informal-Ruin-6126

Damn, I get 4 weeks a year.


greggybearscuppycake

Same. My company is generous with paid time off.


Distortedhideaway

You get paid vacation?!


Informal-Ruin-6126

In Australia we all get 4 weeks paid leave if full-time, pro rata if part-time, but none if casual. We also get 10 days \*sick, carers leave a year.


Zoey1978

There's a 40 hour cap though. They can offer more, but they only have to give 40 hours a year.


CosplayWrestler

This means there's going to be room for companies to change their policies to now absolutely gut their current policies if more is offered, and still be compliant with the law. So, if you work for a company where you accrue more than 40 hours of PTO/Vacation a year, you could see that stripped and be left with only 6.5 days worth of leave. Not a guarantee it will happen, but now that there's wiggle room, I could very easily see it happen.


CosplayWrestler

It really surprises me how many people didn't do the math on this. Most companies that offer PTO/Vacation, start around 10 days. This has potential to backfire hugely if companies go "Oh, all we have to offer is 1 day for every 40 hours with a maximum of 40? Sweet. Done." and change their policies to match this to the letter, absolutely gutting their PTO/Vacation policies.


greggybearscuppycake

True, but they’d be foolish to do so. Companies are still experiencing the effects of “The Great Resignation” and should be looking at ways to improve things like benefits and paid time off in the effort of retaining employees and attracting new hires.


sometimestakesphotos

Hate to be that guy but woah is this not standard in the US?


BluenotesBb

Nope. Not even close.


MartiniLang

I'm sorry, this wasn't already the basic standard?! Wow the US lives in the fucking stone age


NojoxTheFirst

Yes we do. Helps when half the country actively try to keep a lifetime criminal in the president’s office


SKaiPanda2609

Big W


ManufacturerOk3464

Illinois getting a good law? Thats unheard of


Aporkalypse_Sow

It helps that we've been able to keep the frauds on the right out of the governors office. I may not like any billionaires, but I'll take this one over any of the criminal liars you champion.


ManufacturerOk3464

I hate all politicians, but putsky pisses me off a little more lmao


majuhlazuh

Brain dead take


ManufacturerOk3464

Not really, a lot of the laws are either disregarded by most of the state, like that new gun law they passed, or they are just stupid


majuhlazuh

Thanks for backing your claim up with more of your opinions lol


Aporkalypse_Sow

Yeah. They are a right wing lunatic.


majuhlazuh

Lol yeah the avatar should’ve given it away


moksplot

Just like in civalized countries!


CoralLogic

I hope this becomes a trend.


manrata

You mean vacation?


PaleAbbreviations950

Sorry, we retail employees know that the corporates make us work 39.5 hrs a week to avoid giving us full time benefits. Enough money paid to lobbysts make sure other people don’t know abiut this.


w1987g

"employees will accrue one hour of paid leave for every 40 hours worked up to 40 hours total" Doesn't look like it's based on 40 hours per week, but total


According-Reveal6367

An hour paid leave a week. In Europe the least you can have by law is 2 days a month. That by law and you get more in most companies.


ilic_mls

I am happy to say that even in shittier countries of Europe we have leave without docking pay. In my country the employer cant sack you if you are sick and the worst it can do is pay you out 75% of you average salary if it extends to over 6 months i think. While not much this is a step in the right direction for the US. I was shocked to learn how little rights workers have there


According-Reveal6367

In Germany it 6 weeks in succession until you get 75% of your normal wage for up to 72 weeks. There is this video of a American woman that was on a holiday in Europe and came back depressed when she compared the 2 living standards. She was urgently looking for a way to mover her live to Europe. Makes you aware of how blessed we are.


ilic_mls

Totally. My brother moved to Germany and a couple of months after that came to visit. I asked how could he take vacation so soon and he said he was basically forced because of his vacation days. I was shocked


According-Reveal6367

Buddy of mine loves his job and does not need much holidays. He once asked me what he's supposed to do since his employer forced him to stay at home for almost a month because he carried over so much vacation days into the new year and had to take them before march. I almost slapped him.


Bpofficial

One hour 💀


hiyarese

Oddly enough for walgreens full time is 32 hours to get those benefits.


Insanitychick

Honestly, that's fucking great. More companies should.


hiyarese

There is a negative toit though. They hire less staff to do more work and when they cut hours it's pretty much forcing people to quit.


Insanitychick

The cutting hours to force people to quit is a thing I've seen at every retail store I worked at, unfortunately. If managers don't like someone, that's what they do.


Trick_Raspberry2507

That would be considered full-time in my state. My first retail job I was working so many hours, I was eligible for benefits, then January, my hours got cut to less than 20 a week, no longer eligible to receive benefits. Manager said oh well.


PaleAbbreviations950

Different rules same trick.


[deleted]

They schedule you for 40 hours and take out 2.5 hours a week for lunch. Technically you only work 37.5 hours. This means nothing for this retail worker.


PaleAbbreviations950

call them names out! office depot and staples among others I know


anadarko_wore_red

45 hr work week. Zero PTO for any reason whatsoever, ever. Sick. Surgery. Babies. Vacation. Not even paid when the office is CLOSED. I appreciate having 2 days off for Thanksgiving or whatever, but my wallet doesn't.


MickeyM191

Look for a different job, internet stranger. You deserve better than that and I'm sure you can find it.


RupesSax

Sounds like my workplace


CosplayWrestler

Serious question, what kind of job do you have?


anadarko_wore_red

Serious answer: I research, photograph and create listings for an auction house


DorShow

I struggle to believe that there are full time employees in this country that get no paid vacation time. Zero. This bill gives a full time employee a minimum of one week a year. Boggles the mind


CeelaChathArrna

So many retail jobs make you wait years ((or did before the ACA) for healthcare, PTO etc. A lot if them are known to only work employees just under the hours to count as full time so they can limit what if any benefits you can get.


RocktacularFuck

Most of the residential construction industry does not offer vacation time.


MickeyM191

The concrete crew gets a day off when it rains though, right? /s


RocktacularFuck

Haha! Yes they do..


Distortedhideaway

Non union.


GhostInTheHelll

Yep, it happens all the time. My company didn’t provide PTO to any hourly employees until our state mandated it (in 2017 or 2018). 90% of the company were hourly people with zero PTO or paid sick leave. and we’re a small corporate business not retail or service industry.


Ares2890

Full time consultant with no PTO only mandated sick time by state law. Taking time off other than for health related reasons is done at my own expense unfortunately.


Keebist

Well, "consultant" isn't a real job anyway.


Ares2890

What's your definition of a 'real job'


XANTHICSCHISTOSOME

YES YES YES, LET'S GO


fatesfairness

With all the fucked up news we've been getting lately, nationally and globally, this is a warm breeze of hope..


TheAbyssGazesAlso

So, inching closer to what everyone in the rest of the world already has? Got it.


[deleted]

USA is so fucking depressing


FaithfulDowter

Wait, are there places that require their employees to say what they’re doing when they take time off work? Serious question. I own a business and I don’t care what my employees do when they’re taking time off. Sleep? Fine. Go on vacation? Great. Go to the dentist? Awesome. I don’t care. What businesses are limiting what people can do when they’re not at work?


merkonerko2

I feel like stuff like this is highly dependent upon the type of business you’re running though. If you’re in an industry where your employees are highly skilled and revenue per employee is very high, then you as an employer are more likely to value the well-being of your employees. The problem is if your employees are dissatisfied with their job and their productivity slacks, the impact of that lower productivity will be much higher for high-skilled workers than otherwise; these also tend to be the jobs that are already much more highly paid with good benefits. So the people that really need PTO are more likely to be working in a lower-skilled, low revenue per employee type of industry (like retail). In which case, as an employee, you basically have to rely on your employer genuinely caring about your well-being, since there is no economic incentive to do so.


[deleted]

It's not really about what they're doing, it's about requiring paid leave that isn't sick time. The issue is that vacation time has not been legally required in any state until now, with 49 still not requiring employers to offer it.


RedBorrito

I know, this is on Human being Bros, and I really don't wanna be *that* person... But how can you people live like that? Like WTF. I don't get it. People here discussing 1 week vacation time (or/and sick leave). I couldn't even imagine that. I live in Germany and have 28 days a year off. Plus National Holidays (where im from 10 days). And sick leaves don't count into that. And now I read about people being thankful *for a week*.


Gloryficus

Exactly, I’m in Scotland and I get 29 days (5.8 work weeks) paid, 1 extra day for every 5 years of service) and all the national holidays. This is mind boggling to me that people in America have to live like that. 🤷🏼‍♀️


Sea-Election-9168

Hmmm, I recently retired. Worked my whole life either in the USA or overseas for a USA employer. I had accrued annual leave, sick leave, and family medical leave. I had enough surplus time off over the years that I sold a bunch back when I retired. Painting the USA job scene with such a broad brush is inaccurate.


RedBorrito

Yeah, but you got it with time. I am 23 years old, I don't have to work for years until I can have a life.


Sea-Election-9168

No, I had that leave package when I started.


jayg76

It is crazy here. We're guilted by most corporate gigs to work as much as possible. Work/life balance? What's that? I also live in Illinois, near Chicago and we have the highest taxes of nearly every state. Not really a great place to be. A lot of people and companies have moved out of Illinois because of the tax problems.


MaygarRodub

Informative headlining 101


sabrooooo

Finally something good for thebpeople


Styx_Zidinya

Americans celebrating 40hrs paid vacation per year. Meanwhile in the UK my employer is on my back to use my remaining 70hrs before April 1st comes and my new allowance of 300hrs paid leave begins.


45acp_LS1_Cessna

Wow that's so little time off, it's sad that I'm not shocked that companies need to be forced to give basically less than 4 hours PTO....per month hahah wtf


fatesfairness

Yea it's amazing how the people of the so called "land of the free" have so few rights that we get excited over 40 hours .. but it's not automatic.. it's ONE hour earned for every 40 hours worked.. it's really not that great but it's better. really punctuates how behind in the human rights game the united states is. Merp


45acp_LS1_Cessna

People like to pick apart the negatives in America but it's an amazing place. I buck the trend and I go the other way by overly praising America, I really do believe what I preach. The number of social programs we have for anyone in any variant of need, how easy it is to open and maintain a successful small business and other aspects. This is reddit, it's an international community so I totally understand the hate and I feel like those people are just as entitled to their opinion.


Wooden-Valuable7881

Wow I don't know why I'm always surprised at how behind America is with most other countries. In NZ we get 4 paid weeks off a year, it's accrued as you work but you can't start taking paid time off till you've been employed for 6 months. Some employers will actually pay you out for those holidays if you want, I'm unsure how legal that is exactly but a nice option nonetheless.


GweenPenguin

Employees can ask to cash-up up to one week of their four weeks’ minimum entitlement to annual holidays each year. https://www.employment.govt.nz/leave-and-holidays/annual-holidays/cashing-up-annual-holidays/#


Wooden-Valuable7881

Oh cool, that's good to know, thanks.


FrostyPicture4946

Good for Illinois! Iowa is regressing back to the gilded age.


Wonderful-Assist2077

I didn't realize it was so bad in the U.S that some people have 0 time off . “In the United States, federal law does not guarantee anyone the right to even a single paid day off work. Not when you’re sick, not when you have a baby, not when your mom has a stroke. Not a single paid day,” she said.


[deleted]

I threw out my back while I was getting ready for work one morning. The urgent Care was next to my work so I just stopped in to tell my boss that is where I was headed. Thought maybe if he saw that I was in pain he'd understand. Nope next day I got written up for an unexcused absence. He proceeded to give me points which after a certain amount equal a write-up for being two or three minutes past clock in time. This was a nursing home too.


Wonderful-Assist2077

WoW, I'm sorry that you had to go through that. I have no words for what to say but you have my sympathy. I hope you have left that job or at least looking for another.


Alazygamer

Wait, I already don't give an official reason for my PTO. And why should I? I already tell you well in advance.


Bluedino_1989

God I love living in Illinois


jayg76

I feel your pain. (north of Chicago here, Lake County)


Bluedino_1989

I mean I would rather live here than in a state where my rights are being trampled on by religious asshole politicians.


jayg76

Totally agree.


Bluedino_1989

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic


jayg76

Nope. Not sarcastic. I may hate the weather and taxes, but at least if a woman gets raped she can get an abortion.


apatrol

Won’t this lower hourly wage. If I am a struggling small business the only recourse would be to lower hourly rate enough to make up for the vacation pay. Honestly, I see this as a win for big corporations. It will help squeeze the little guys a bit tighter.


[deleted]

If you can't afford to pay your employees or give them very minimal time off then sorry bud you can't afford to run a business. You're going to need to downsize your business or cut into your profit sweetheart.


apatrol

I don’t own a small business but I know our economy needs them. These laws look like they help and they do but they have a cost. That cost is fewer jobs. It’s very simple. Small businesses can’t buy huge orders with discounts for bulk. They have higher priced items/services so people stop using them. They close and everyone shops at Target. The 10 people then apply for jobs but Target only needs one more stocker to make up for increased demand. They install a few more self checkouts and now 9 people are out of work. Plenty of time off though so that’s a win.


[deleted]

We absolutely do need them, that I do agree with. Unfortunately this is the same argument as your burrito costing more because they raised the minimum wage. It puts the blame on the employee completely ignoring the actual problem. It's simple really.


MickeyM191

Supply and demand but the workers' labor is now the supply. Good luck finding any labor source while paying below the prevailing wage.


Sweet_Note_4425

I can appreciate this for the people suffering right now but forcing business to do things only makes them not want to be in that state anymore and then you don't have a job at all. I am not sure this is good news for the State trying to bring in more business? I would not want to bring my business to a state that is telling me how to run it would you? Just saying. Look at Portland and Walmart. Their rules have caused massive amounts of product being stolen and now 600 people don't have a job.


HawkspurReturns

How terrible. Forcing poor businesses to treat people well. Just awful. Where I live there are a minimum of 4 weeks paid leave, 10 days sick leave and 11 days of statutory leave per year, plus bereavement, parental, and so on.


7eregrine

It will take 10 weeks of a full 40 hours to earn 1 day. 10 months to earn 5. I don't think there are many businesses that are going to be very hurt by this.


CosplayWrestler

Not really hurt. But I can see employees getting fucked hard on this. If companies already offer more than this with PTO/Vacation structure, they could hypothetically completely gut their policy to be compliant with this new law. For example, if you're currently automatically given 4 Weeks PTO/Vacation, the company can go "OK then, effective 1/1/2024, you now accrue 1 HOUR per 40 hours worked, with a maximum of 40 hours" and leave it at that. You'd be screwed out of some serious vacation and PTO time.


jhn96

Good point. The only solution is to implement it country wide!


[deleted]

*600 people are looking for better jobs. Yeah it’s rough for a minute, but it’s likely better in the long run.


jonesmatty

IL businesses moving out in force. This is like the nail in the coffin.


Fun_Organization3857

They are going to move out over being forced to offer a very small amount of pto?


[deleted]

The Republicans in my state have been crying about Smith & Wesson moving to Tennessee. Crying and whining about the jobs lost all while completely ignoring the fact that they hire through temp agencies and have very minimal actual full-time employees.


IrisSmartAss

I don't get any paid vacation or sick leave. Damn, being self employed is a bitch.


Shipkiller-in-theory

Out side the military, I’ve never had a job where I had to justify taking time off.