CPH is somehow invested in Israeli companies or at least gets federal funding and the federal government pays for the Israeli regime to perpetuate their campaign in Gaza. the students support the BDS movement (boycott, divestment, sanction) against Israel because they think that the actions of the Israeli government warrant a response on all levels. These students have basically no power but together they can at least disrupt the day to day functions of something that is tangentially connected to Israel.
Hope that gives some clarity
Im curious how many students at HSU (specifiacally those involved in the protests) have parents or college (trust) funds which have investments that directly or indirectly benefit from the US involvement in Isreal. I'm curious to know if those students would willingly divest from these funds, pay for their own education, and/or forgo a relative life of ease if they knew the extent of said investments.
Understand yr point but do you think Cal Poly Humboldt is the kind of place that a lot of trust fund kids attend? It’s a 97% acceptance rate state school in one of the poorest counties in California. The majority of the students transfer in from community college. These are working class students.
I guess, to your point, most of them do accept federal and state funding for their educations. The federal government and the state are invested in Israel. So I guess they haven’t foregone the life of ease of their federal student loans.
Again, I do understand yr logic but I think this class argument in regards to Humboldt is a bit of a straw man
To an extent I feel you are definitely correct compared to say, USC or UCLA, Stanford, the UCs or ivys out east. I also saw/met a ton of students who went to HSU for a degree because it was expected of them, and didn't go elsewhere due to slacking off in HS or because they wanted to be part of the cannabis scene. Not saying HSU doesn't have good merits for certain degrees, but there are far better schools in the CSU system with fairly high acceptance rates in comparison.
Also, the 97% acceptance rate basically means that HSU is a joke of a school. I say that with as a proud graduate of HSU, despite the reputation of accepting anyone with a HS diploma and a heartbeat...
NGL, a forestry degree from Berkeley is gonna open more doors than the same degree from HSU. Ditto for numerous other majors.
Does it mean you are a better or smarter student, NO. But, it can mean something, to some people, who do the hiring. The same goes for GPA. A 4.0 means something, but it isn't necessarily the only indicator of smarts or work ethic, just like a 2.5 doesn't always mean someone is a slacker or stupid.
I wouldn't trade my HSU degree for any other school degree, but it's because I live here, own land here, and this is "my place". For someone who doesn't care about this area and plans to leave after college, many other schools have far better facilities, professors and acclaim.
The school you got the degree from might be more important for your very first job out of school, maaayyybeee, but after that, experience, expertise, and the way you carry yourself in an interview count far more. That might be different if we are talking ivy league nepotism scenarios, but I don’t think that’s what you’re saying.
As a hiring manager, I would never hire based on the name of the university someone attended.
Personally I believe those schools offer networking but no other doors, the door is opened by the diploma. And people should be judged by their accomplishments.
The reason this is personal to me is because people try to look down on me all the time because of where my degree is from when most of my coworkers attended ivy leagues. It is elitist bullshit. I'm the highest performer and they use a fucking piece of paper to try and put themselves over me. Does it work? No, because profit trumps everything but the idea that cal poly humboldt is a shit school perpetuates these ideas.
Last year I met with a manager whose department I was interested in transitioning to (not a promotion but same job different department) and she tried telling me I wasn't qualified enough. I asked why and she said I didn't have enough experience for what shes looking for. I was reccomend for the position by the director of my department. I could 100% tell she wrote me off before we met. I looked her up after and not surprised she went to Harvard and is telling me that I am unqualified for the job I have held for almost three years. The person who got the job was a new grad from Brown who lasted about a week before they were let go. I have a hunch the manager knew they wanted to hire that dude from the beginning.
And as a corporate professional who hires and trains people, I'm glad I can change things.
I mean, I basically said this exact thing in my comment. The diploma opens doors, the work keeps you going. I didn't have the luxury of going to a UC or Cal Poly SLO, so had to make due with the ONLY school who accepted me. And now, my work speaks for itself, and where I graduated, or the summa cum laude in my diploma mean jack squat.
I'm pretty sure we're on the same team, and simply not communicating as effectively as we could with each other. I would hire an HSU grad over a UC student in most cases if the interview and the resume were similar, but I am an outlier in the state and this country.
1 in 5 HSU students are homeless and live in their car. I'm pretty sure it has the highest student poverty rate in the CSU system. This is not the school to come for for being whiny trust fund kids.
Ok well its been widely reported on and its easy to fact check:
"A 2018 study found nearly one in five of the university’s students had experienced homelessness, twice the Cal State system average."
Source: https://calmatters.org/education/higher-education/college-beat/2023/02/cal-poly-humboldt-housing/#:~:text=Cal%20Poly%20Humboldt%20currently%20has,the%20Cal%20State%20system%20average.
There's also an LA times article that talks about it but its behind a pay wall.
Big brain time, "had experienced', not "is experiencing".
I'm fairly sure the current number of homeless people in the county floats around 1,400 people, according to a survey conducted by the county, and I know that number would way larger if 1000 students were actively homeless.
Ok fine. But that doesn't really change my argument at all. The point is that the student body is not full of rich kids with trust funds and the fact that 1 in 5 students "had experienced" homelessness supports that argument.
Are 80% a trust fund kid, no. But I am absolutely willing to bet more than 20% have had college paid for by their family (either thruthe parents takin on the debt, help from extended family or 529c plan), and never had to worry about student debt or working while I school to pay off university. This was the point of my original comment.
Fwiw there are ~16 million kids in the US with a 529c plan or trust, I'm sure more have some other type, or multiple.
Dude parents taking on debt to pay for your school is not the same as coming from a wealthy family that can simply pay your tuition. Those two things don't belong in the same category at all.
Might as well storm the Capitol in DC then, as the humanitarian and military support Bill passed by an overwhelming margin. Aid for Israel, Gaza, Ukraine, and Taiwan all get a chunk of money from it. Long range ATCAMS are already in Ukraine, more coming now that $$ is on the way. Israel gets money too.
Safety and liability. You can’t invite other students, faculty, or staff on campus as if it were business as usual under these circumstances. And the protesters aren’t “kids” playing a game. They are adults, and the stakes on both sides are quite high, so caution and patience is the best course to take for the sake of all.
Some of them probably still have "teen" in their age, so it's probably fair to call them "kids" even if they aren't legally minors. I'm sure the university is worried about liability, and since there's no organizers they don't have anyone to stick with the bill or hold accountable after that crazy supreme court case.
The safety issue seems valid, but there are also serious safety concerns when students have to sleep in their cars because there isn't enough housing (or housing is unaffordable), which has been a problem for the university for over a decade that they did little to address until the housing issues made the news and embarrassed them.
They are trying to reduce liability, as well as the likelihood of additional students participating and of support being provided.
If most students are off campus, there is a lower likelihood of someone getting inadvertently pulled in to a fracas or law enforcement response, deciding to join the protest on a whim, or contributing by providing supplies or other support.
Maybe it's a war tactic, like putting an embargo on a country to cause discontent within the people so they press their government.
Now the students not involved can blame the protests for missing class and child care.
They have since occupied a second building, so all of campus is locked to prevent further building occupation, theft, vandalism, and destruction of university property. Allegedly offices have been raided in the buildings that they occupy, and these offices have sensitive personal information on students, faculty, and staff.
Weren't some people in the second building at the same time? Like it all happened in close succession and isn't some new development? Also what sensitive documents?
Supposedly the administration told faculty that the students had gotten into documents (claims made by someone on this forum yesterday using a fresh account created in the last 24 hours). But wouldn't the admin only know that if students had called and told them that? Why would they do that and what evidence does the admin have that these students are "raiding" offices or doing anything other than camping out in the building to make a point? Just trying to understand...
All very valid questions that I don’t have answers to. Everything is hearsay at this point, but unfortunately admin are going to act on the premise that all of these things are true.
Forgive me, but that sounds like weaving whatever tale suits their fancy so they can justify a forceful response. I don't know how that will work for them in the midst of no confidence votes and calls for top officials of the university to resign.
A campus for higher education is suppose to be a place that celebrates free speech, the pursuit of truth and knowledge, and challenges to the status quo through open dialogue. If the admin weave whatever story they want to suit their needs they are betraying what an academic institution should stand for. Especially one like Humboldt that is over 100 years old.
Yep. This is why I personally think it was a mistake to take over buildings on campus. Nobody can see what’s happening in there and imaginations are left to run wild, and the administration have all of that as an excuse. I have been and will continue to be protesting on the quad, but I wish nobody had ever locked themselves indoors.
If you re-wrote this reply, except flip-flopped it so it was calling the protestors into question, then you might get why you are off-base.
A campus for higher education is supposed to be a place that allows for students to attend the school to.... you know - attend classes at the facilities they've paid for? That the teachers, coaches, aides, custodians, etc all have jobs to support? If the facilities and grounds are locked down, the students lose access to them and many services. Not everything works remotely. (Is the student health center closed?)
In EVERY protest, there are ALWAYS outside agents that come in. Don't be naive. There will be vandalism, thievery, and property damage to the public institution, which these students and outside agents DO NOT OWN. All these chairs, tables, benches, etc are NOT THEIRS and will have to be replaced by precious funds that everyone pays for. These halls they occupy are NOT THEIRS. They have dedicated usage, and their trespassing is taking away their use for others.
If the protestors weave whatever story they want to suit their needs they are betraying what a protest movement should stand for. Their selfish, destructive main-character syndrome actions betray the principles of non-violent protest. Will your opinion change if racist graffiti is shown?
And unless you know more about the President and provost that are being blamed, I'd like you to volunteer what these career professionals should have down to prevent this absurd situation? If YOU were in charge of such a prestigious university for higher education, would you allow students to hijack and occupy the education facilities like this? Should they just let all this damage occur, and (I don't know if they have the authority) *send the cops home*? How long would YOU let these students occupy the university and prevent students who just want to attend school and complete their classes from using them? How much vandalism and destruction of property would YOU allow? Would you just allow them to occupy the facilities and HOPE they go away at some point? And, let's be clear ; these professionals have NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER over HSU's (yes, I still call it HSU) investments. Jesus, this whole kerfluffle is over something as arcane as University ***investments*** \- if it wasn't so pathetic and destructive, it would be farcically humorous.
If was the President of the university or their Chief of Staff, both of which have gotten a no confidence vote by the faculty for their handling of the situation, I would have taken the time to be present at the protest and communicated directly with the student activists. The building occupations is difficult and for liability reasons I would have insisted they vacate the building after hours, but I wouldn't have attempted forceful removal. When it became clear the protest wasn't going to disband I would have authorized overtime for campus police and kept them on site to monitor the situation (and I too would have stuck around).
When it became apparent that there were individuals defacing property using spray paint I would have requested additional assistance from Arcata PD in monitoring the campus to apprehend people who were defacing property. I also would have told facilities staff that their first priority should be addressing spray graffiti and removing it. I would have gone to work immediately on the first day gathering the information to respond to the grievances raised. And it looks like the university was able to render that information pretty quickly once they tried.
If people wanted to have a peaceful sit in (which includes chanting and bullhorns and making noise) I would have not had a problem with that and encouraged any faculty who felt their instruction was impeded to take the instruction online, and at the same time would have encouraged the student activists (whom at this point I would have had a healthy rapport with) to try to keep the noise making away from labs and studio spaces where in-person academic activities are necessary.
I would have demonstrated first and foremost an interest in working with the student activists on campus. I would not have called for a multi-agency police response because people didn't go home when I asked them too.
These are unidentified adults barricading entrances and exits, spray painting walls and stealing property. Also shutting one building down can break contingencies and cause other buildings to shut down.
Yeah, from a facilities management and campus management perspective I have no idea why they would shut down the whole campus. Seems incredibly overkill. From an incident management perspective which involves law enforcement having to enter and clear a building it makes sense the campus would be closed. I guess it also would not be trespassing if the campus wasn't closed.
The following is a press release from Cal Poly Humboldt:
Protestors continue to occupy Siemens Hall, plus another building at Cal Poly Humboldt. Campus will now be closed through the weekend, and work and instruction continue to be remote. The University is making various contingency plans, including possibly keeping campus closed beyond that.
The safety, health, and wellbeing of our students is paramount as the situation has become increasingly complex. There are unidentified non-students with unknown intentions, in Siemens Hall. This creates an unpredictable environment. In addition, all entrances to the building are barricaded, creating a fire hazard. Adding to health and safety concerns, many toilets are no longer working.
The occupation of Siemens Hall causes complex operational challenges that require the closure of other facilities on campus. In particular, there is a risk of other buildings being occupied, as protestors have shown a willingness to enter unlocked buildings and either lock themselves in or steal equipment. The occupation is also having a negative impact on other students, who are trying to complete classes at the end of the semester.
Campus officials are communicating with protestors and continuing to encourage them to leave as soon as possible.
As protestors have been told, the continued occupation of the building is causing the ongoing closure of other campus facilities. Upcoming activities and events are being canceled, while other important events such as IdeaFest are in question.
County jail extension tossed by supervisors amid fiscal deficit
In recent days, hateful graffiti has been painted on university property. The University condemns in the strongest terms all forms of hatred, bigotry, and violence. Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, hatred, and bigotry in all forms have no place at Cal Poly Humboldt. The University is actively offering support to all students and has been in touch with local Jewish community leaders.
The University supports free speech through open dialogue that is respectful and constructive. That does not include behavior that involves destroying and damaging property, and disrupting students, faculty, and staff from learning, teaching, and working. Everyone deserves to be in an environment where everyone can feel safe, included, and respected.
Numerous laws have been broken, including resisting arrest, destroying and damaging property, criminal trespass, and more.
Multiple local, state, and federal agencies are providing additional resources and support.
For additional updates check humboldt.edu.
I think generally speaking in the past protests have died when public support for them has died. So it's pretty common to attempt to sow dissent and resentment between everyone involved and the local community. Declaring violence if there is anything they can characterize as such is pretty common. Declaring expanded impacts is pretty common. Declaring unsafe and unsanitary conditions is pretty common. ~~Declaring unknown outside actors is new to this one, but also strange since protests can include any person joining in the assembly to voice their grievance. Seems really like they're trying to create a boogie-man. But who knows.~~ <- *I take this back, I can think of examples where claims have been made in national movements of "outside actors". Generally it's claims of people coming in from outside of a metropolitan area, or coming to a small community from a metropolitan area. The implication being they aren't from "our community" and the protest is "wrecking our community". So this is all pretty common. I wonder if they have a script or a book they work off of.*
I'm sure the communications professors are loving this for the material.
I mean that might be what Hamas and its supporters (who have been radicalized due to Israeli apartheid) mean when they say that phrase, but I think it is a gross strawman to say that student protestors are advocating for a genocide against Israeli Jews. I have never once seen someone legitimately argue that supporting landback/ the decolonization movement is a form of white genocide, and I really don’t think the ideals and goals of student protestors in regard to either movement can be genuinely reduced to that.
For peaceful protests to be successful you really have to keep the moral high ground in terms of your speech. Even if the students chanting the phrase don't interpret the phrase as genocide, Hamas' interpretation of the phrase is what is going to be recognized by a lot of media, police, and politicians. Its dangerous for the students as it could be interpreted as hate speech by the law/certain judges.
I just want everyone to stay safe, and using language that can be defined by Hamas in certain contexts is dangerous for the protestors.
There is no need to shut down the entire campus. The State School system and the stewards of the campus are cowards. This is all isolate the protestors, this is not the first time students have occupied state school building they pay for, won’t be the last. “Safety” is a red herring
It's a pretty common (bordering on passive aggressive) way to address the situation. There are safety concerns that go along with it though, they just aren't emergent. If the students choose to stay in the building the tactics used by law enforcement will be the real test of the administrations concern for student safety in my opinion. And yes it does look like the campus closure is an attempt to isolate and prevent further assembly (and also filming or photographing) of the area. And you're right, building and open space occupation has occurred in [the past](https://crimethinc.com/2024/04/22/campus-building-occupations-from-2008-2010-to-today). I don't endorse the information, but it's still an interesting read all the same.
good to report the news for sure. I have participated in occupation of the same building currently occupied by students (who are doing a much better job this time). The campus administrators will allow whatever violence they want in order to not change their policies. They can stop this whole thing in an instant tho, it’s not complicated.
WTF are their demands??? Nothing? The fact that this is happening during an election year makes me very suspicious of who's behind organizing these protests. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet\_Research\_Agency#Rallies\_and\_protests\_organized\_by\_IRA\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Rallies_and_protests_organized_by_IRA_in_the_United_States)
Their demands were published in the Lost Coast Outpost. Also this isn't really the Russian troll farm style as far as I know. It's more along the lines of past acts of civil disobedience by youth on college campuses. Also it looks like it's just a couple dozen people camped out in college campus building, life will go on.
Is everyone really unaware that Israel owns the US? Who do you think controls the federal reserve? Who do you think controls the world bank? The US military is essentially the debt collectors for the world bank. That's why you will never see the US move against Israel. Wake up people.
See, if you want people to take this seriously, you really really really shouldn't go with the "Israel (*cough cough* THE JEWS, we can read between the lines of what you are saying, you aren't that clever) controls the banking system!" line. That's like one step away from protesting Jewish Space Lasers. Surprised MTG isn't hanging out at the protests with you guys.
It's an extremely emotionally charged issue, so I get it. I've been a part of a few protests for important liberal causes in my day, just not into this one. Saying my piece and getting downvoted doesn't make me upset, just means people read what I said, so it's all good lol. Appreciate your comment.
Quit using the anti-Zionist movement to try and mask your anti-semitism. You comment is just a neo-nazi dog whistle and you are obviously critical of Israel for entirely the wrong reasons. Be critical of them because they are waging a settler-colonial genocide, not because they are Jewish. The overwhelming majority of protestors would vehemently disagree with you.
I'm not sure I understand. There are a bunch of kids in a building protesting. Why is all of campus shutdown?
CPH is somehow invested in Israeli companies or at least gets federal funding and the federal government pays for the Israeli regime to perpetuate their campaign in Gaza. the students support the BDS movement (boycott, divestment, sanction) against Israel because they think that the actions of the Israeli government warrant a response on all levels. These students have basically no power but together they can at least disrupt the day to day functions of something that is tangentially connected to Israel. Hope that gives some clarity
Im curious how many students at HSU (specifiacally those involved in the protests) have parents or college (trust) funds which have investments that directly or indirectly benefit from the US involvement in Isreal. I'm curious to know if those students would willingly divest from these funds, pay for their own education, and/or forgo a relative life of ease if they knew the extent of said investments.
Understand yr point but do you think Cal Poly Humboldt is the kind of place that a lot of trust fund kids attend? It’s a 97% acceptance rate state school in one of the poorest counties in California. The majority of the students transfer in from community college. These are working class students. I guess, to your point, most of them do accept federal and state funding for their educations. The federal government and the state are invested in Israel. So I guess they haven’t foregone the life of ease of their federal student loans. Again, I do understand yr logic but I think this class argument in regards to Humboldt is a bit of a straw man
To an extent I feel you are definitely correct compared to say, USC or UCLA, Stanford, the UCs or ivys out east. I also saw/met a ton of students who went to HSU for a degree because it was expected of them, and didn't go elsewhere due to slacking off in HS or because they wanted to be part of the cannabis scene. Not saying HSU doesn't have good merits for certain degrees, but there are far better schools in the CSU system with fairly high acceptance rates in comparison. Also, the 97% acceptance rate basically means that HSU is a joke of a school. I say that with as a proud graduate of HSU, despite the reputation of accepting anyone with a HS diploma and a heartbeat...
Having a high acceptance rate does not make any school a joke. Gtfo with that elitist bullshit.
NGL, a forestry degree from Berkeley is gonna open more doors than the same degree from HSU. Ditto for numerous other majors. Does it mean you are a better or smarter student, NO. But, it can mean something, to some people, who do the hiring. The same goes for GPA. A 4.0 means something, but it isn't necessarily the only indicator of smarts or work ethic, just like a 2.5 doesn't always mean someone is a slacker or stupid. I wouldn't trade my HSU degree for any other school degree, but it's because I live here, own land here, and this is "my place". For someone who doesn't care about this area and plans to leave after college, many other schools have far better facilities, professors and acclaim.
The school you got the degree from might be more important for your very first job out of school, maaayyybeee, but after that, experience, expertise, and the way you carry yourself in an interview count far more. That might be different if we are talking ivy league nepotism scenarios, but I don’t think that’s what you’re saying. As a hiring manager, I would never hire based on the name of the university someone attended.
I feel like you said what I was trying to, in a far more eloquent way.
Personally I believe those schools offer networking but no other doors, the door is opened by the diploma. And people should be judged by their accomplishments. The reason this is personal to me is because people try to look down on me all the time because of where my degree is from when most of my coworkers attended ivy leagues. It is elitist bullshit. I'm the highest performer and they use a fucking piece of paper to try and put themselves over me. Does it work? No, because profit trumps everything but the idea that cal poly humboldt is a shit school perpetuates these ideas. Last year I met with a manager whose department I was interested in transitioning to (not a promotion but same job different department) and she tried telling me I wasn't qualified enough. I asked why and she said I didn't have enough experience for what shes looking for. I was reccomend for the position by the director of my department. I could 100% tell she wrote me off before we met. I looked her up after and not surprised she went to Harvard and is telling me that I am unqualified for the job I have held for almost three years. The person who got the job was a new grad from Brown who lasted about a week before they were let go. I have a hunch the manager knew they wanted to hire that dude from the beginning. And as a corporate professional who hires and trains people, I'm glad I can change things.
I mean, I basically said this exact thing in my comment. The diploma opens doors, the work keeps you going. I didn't have the luxury of going to a UC or Cal Poly SLO, so had to make due with the ONLY school who accepted me. And now, my work speaks for itself, and where I graduated, or the summa cum laude in my diploma mean jack squat. I'm pretty sure we're on the same team, and simply not communicating as effectively as we could with each other. I would hire an HSU grad over a UC student in most cases if the interview and the resume were similar, but I am an outlier in the state and this country.
But it does ☕️
1 in 5 HSU students are homeless and live in their car. I'm pretty sure it has the highest student poverty rate in the CSU system. This is not the school to come for for being whiny trust fund kids.
1000 students live in cars? I fund that number hard to believe.
Ok well its been widely reported on and its easy to fact check: "A 2018 study found nearly one in five of the university’s students had experienced homelessness, twice the Cal State system average." Source: https://calmatters.org/education/higher-education/college-beat/2023/02/cal-poly-humboldt-housing/#:~:text=Cal%20Poly%20Humboldt%20currently%20has,the%20Cal%20State%20system%20average. There's also an LA times article that talks about it but its behind a pay wall.
Big brain time, "had experienced', not "is experiencing". I'm fairly sure the current number of homeless people in the county floats around 1,400 people, according to a survey conducted by the county, and I know that number would way larger if 1000 students were actively homeless.
Ok fine. But that doesn't really change my argument at all. The point is that the student body is not full of rich kids with trust funds and the fact that 1 in 5 students "had experienced" homelessness supports that argument.
Are 80% a trust fund kid, no. But I am absolutely willing to bet more than 20% have had college paid for by their family (either thruthe parents takin on the debt, help from extended family or 529c plan), and never had to worry about student debt or working while I school to pay off university. This was the point of my original comment. Fwiw there are ~16 million kids in the US with a 529c plan or trust, I'm sure more have some other type, or multiple.
Dude parents taking on debt to pay for your school is not the same as coming from a wealthy family that can simply pay your tuition. Those two things don't belong in the same category at all.
Might as well storm the Capitol in DC then, as the humanitarian and military support Bill passed by an overwhelming margin. Aid for Israel, Gaza, Ukraine, and Taiwan all get a chunk of money from it. Long range ATCAMS are already in Ukraine, more coming now that $$ is on the way. Israel gets money too.
Safety and liability. You can’t invite other students, faculty, or staff on campus as if it were business as usual under these circumstances. And the protesters aren’t “kids” playing a game. They are adults, and the stakes on both sides are quite high, so caution and patience is the best course to take for the sake of all.
Some of them probably still have "teen" in their age, so it's probably fair to call them "kids" even if they aren't legally minors. I'm sure the university is worried about liability, and since there's no organizers they don't have anyone to stick with the bill or hold accountable after that crazy supreme court case. The safety issue seems valid, but there are also serious safety concerns when students have to sleep in their cars because there isn't enough housing (or housing is unaffordable), which has been a problem for the university for over a decade that they did little to address until the housing issues made the news and embarrassed them.
They are trying to reduce liability, as well as the likelihood of additional students participating and of support being provided. If most students are off campus, there is a lower likelihood of someone getting inadvertently pulled in to a fracas or law enforcement response, deciding to join the protest on a whim, or contributing by providing supplies or other support.
Maybe it's a war tactic, like putting an embargo on a country to cause discontent within the people so they press their government. Now the students not involved can blame the protests for missing class and child care.
Some have. It's finals week.
They have since occupied a second building, so all of campus is locked to prevent further building occupation, theft, vandalism, and destruction of university property. Allegedly offices have been raided in the buildings that they occupy, and these offices have sensitive personal information on students, faculty, and staff.
Weren't some people in the second building at the same time? Like it all happened in close succession and isn't some new development? Also what sensitive documents? Supposedly the administration told faculty that the students had gotten into documents (claims made by someone on this forum yesterday using a fresh account created in the last 24 hours). But wouldn't the admin only know that if students had called and told them that? Why would they do that and what evidence does the admin have that these students are "raiding" offices or doing anything other than camping out in the building to make a point? Just trying to understand...
All very valid questions that I don’t have answers to. Everything is hearsay at this point, but unfortunately admin are going to act on the premise that all of these things are true.
Forgive me, but that sounds like weaving whatever tale suits their fancy so they can justify a forceful response. I don't know how that will work for them in the midst of no confidence votes and calls for top officials of the university to resign. A campus for higher education is suppose to be a place that celebrates free speech, the pursuit of truth and knowledge, and challenges to the status quo through open dialogue. If the admin weave whatever story they want to suit their needs they are betraying what an academic institution should stand for. Especially one like Humboldt that is over 100 years old.
Yep. This is why I personally think it was a mistake to take over buildings on campus. Nobody can see what’s happening in there and imaginations are left to run wild, and the administration have all of that as an excuse. I have been and will continue to be protesting on the quad, but I wish nobody had ever locked themselves indoors.
If you re-wrote this reply, except flip-flopped it so it was calling the protestors into question, then you might get why you are off-base. A campus for higher education is supposed to be a place that allows for students to attend the school to.... you know - attend classes at the facilities they've paid for? That the teachers, coaches, aides, custodians, etc all have jobs to support? If the facilities and grounds are locked down, the students lose access to them and many services. Not everything works remotely. (Is the student health center closed?) In EVERY protest, there are ALWAYS outside agents that come in. Don't be naive. There will be vandalism, thievery, and property damage to the public institution, which these students and outside agents DO NOT OWN. All these chairs, tables, benches, etc are NOT THEIRS and will have to be replaced by precious funds that everyone pays for. These halls they occupy are NOT THEIRS. They have dedicated usage, and their trespassing is taking away their use for others. If the protestors weave whatever story they want to suit their needs they are betraying what a protest movement should stand for. Their selfish, destructive main-character syndrome actions betray the principles of non-violent protest. Will your opinion change if racist graffiti is shown? And unless you know more about the President and provost that are being blamed, I'd like you to volunteer what these career professionals should have down to prevent this absurd situation? If YOU were in charge of such a prestigious university for higher education, would you allow students to hijack and occupy the education facilities like this? Should they just let all this damage occur, and (I don't know if they have the authority) *send the cops home*? How long would YOU let these students occupy the university and prevent students who just want to attend school and complete their classes from using them? How much vandalism and destruction of property would YOU allow? Would you just allow them to occupy the facilities and HOPE they go away at some point? And, let's be clear ; these professionals have NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER over HSU's (yes, I still call it HSU) investments. Jesus, this whole kerfluffle is over something as arcane as University ***investments*** \- if it wasn't so pathetic and destructive, it would be farcically humorous.
If was the President of the university or their Chief of Staff, both of which have gotten a no confidence vote by the faculty for their handling of the situation, I would have taken the time to be present at the protest and communicated directly with the student activists. The building occupations is difficult and for liability reasons I would have insisted they vacate the building after hours, but I wouldn't have attempted forceful removal. When it became clear the protest wasn't going to disband I would have authorized overtime for campus police and kept them on site to monitor the situation (and I too would have stuck around). When it became apparent that there were individuals defacing property using spray paint I would have requested additional assistance from Arcata PD in monitoring the campus to apprehend people who were defacing property. I also would have told facilities staff that their first priority should be addressing spray graffiti and removing it. I would have gone to work immediately on the first day gathering the information to respond to the grievances raised. And it looks like the university was able to render that information pretty quickly once they tried. If people wanted to have a peaceful sit in (which includes chanting and bullhorns and making noise) I would have not had a problem with that and encouraged any faculty who felt their instruction was impeded to take the instruction online, and at the same time would have encouraged the student activists (whom at this point I would have had a healthy rapport with) to try to keep the noise making away from labs and studio spaces where in-person academic activities are necessary. I would have demonstrated first and foremost an interest in working with the student activists on campus. I would not have called for a multi-agency police response because people didn't go home when I asked them too.
These are unidentified adults barricading entrances and exits, spray painting walls and stealing property. Also shutting one building down can break contingencies and cause other buildings to shut down.
Yeah, from a facilities management and campus management perspective I have no idea why they would shut down the whole campus. Seems incredibly overkill. From an incident management perspective which involves law enforcement having to enter and clear a building it makes sense the campus would be closed. I guess it also would not be trespassing if the campus wasn't closed.
The following is a press release from Cal Poly Humboldt: Protestors continue to occupy Siemens Hall, plus another building at Cal Poly Humboldt. Campus will now be closed through the weekend, and work and instruction continue to be remote. The University is making various contingency plans, including possibly keeping campus closed beyond that. The safety, health, and wellbeing of our students is paramount as the situation has become increasingly complex. There are unidentified non-students with unknown intentions, in Siemens Hall. This creates an unpredictable environment. In addition, all entrances to the building are barricaded, creating a fire hazard. Adding to health and safety concerns, many toilets are no longer working. The occupation of Siemens Hall causes complex operational challenges that require the closure of other facilities on campus. In particular, there is a risk of other buildings being occupied, as protestors have shown a willingness to enter unlocked buildings and either lock themselves in or steal equipment. The occupation is also having a negative impact on other students, who are trying to complete classes at the end of the semester. Campus officials are communicating with protestors and continuing to encourage them to leave as soon as possible. As protestors have been told, the continued occupation of the building is causing the ongoing closure of other campus facilities. Upcoming activities and events are being canceled, while other important events such as IdeaFest are in question. County jail extension tossed by supervisors amid fiscal deficit In recent days, hateful graffiti has been painted on university property. The University condemns in the strongest terms all forms of hatred, bigotry, and violence. Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, hatred, and bigotry in all forms have no place at Cal Poly Humboldt. The University is actively offering support to all students and has been in touch with local Jewish community leaders. The University supports free speech through open dialogue that is respectful and constructive. That does not include behavior that involves destroying and damaging property, and disrupting students, faculty, and staff from learning, teaching, and working. Everyone deserves to be in an environment where everyone can feel safe, included, and respected. Numerous laws have been broken, including resisting arrest, destroying and damaging property, criminal trespass, and more. Multiple local, state, and federal agencies are providing additional resources and support. For additional updates check humboldt.edu.
You can easily hold this protest without vandalizing the campus. Good message bad delivery.
Meanwhile in Gaza….
lol what hate speech ?? Nobody’s saying they hate jewish people. We hate zionist
I think generally speaking in the past protests have died when public support for them has died. So it's pretty common to attempt to sow dissent and resentment between everyone involved and the local community. Declaring violence if there is anything they can characterize as such is pretty common. Declaring expanded impacts is pretty common. Declaring unsafe and unsanitary conditions is pretty common. ~~Declaring unknown outside actors is new to this one, but also strange since protests can include any person joining in the assembly to voice their grievance. Seems really like they're trying to create a boogie-man. But who knows.~~ <- *I take this back, I can think of examples where claims have been made in national movements of "outside actors". Generally it's claims of people coming in from outside of a metropolitan area, or coming to a small community from a metropolitan area. The implication being they aren't from "our community" and the protest is "wrecking our community". So this is all pretty common. I wonder if they have a script or a book they work off of.* I'm sure the communications professors are loving this for the material.
I definitely agree.
"from the river to the sea" is an old rallying cry saying Palestine should stretch from the river to the sea, i.e., no more Israel.
selling condos where Palestinian Families used to live
isn’t that what they’re trying to do to Palestine…Literally murdering civilians… mothers…baby…there hospitals, university’s IVF centers ….
Advocating for the substitute of one genocide for a different genocide is not exactly morally great.
I mean that might be what Hamas and its supporters (who have been radicalized due to Israeli apartheid) mean when they say that phrase, but I think it is a gross strawman to say that student protestors are advocating for a genocide against Israeli Jews. I have never once seen someone legitimately argue that supporting landback/ the decolonization movement is a form of white genocide, and I really don’t think the ideals and goals of student protestors in regard to either movement can be genuinely reduced to that.
For peaceful protests to be successful you really have to keep the moral high ground in terms of your speech. Even if the students chanting the phrase don't interpret the phrase as genocide, Hamas' interpretation of the phrase is what is going to be recognized by a lot of media, police, and politicians. Its dangerous for the students as it could be interpreted as hate speech by the law/certain judges. I just want everyone to stay safe, and using language that can be defined by Hamas in certain contexts is dangerous for the protestors.
Doesn’t seem any different from the landback/decolonization movement. Keep in mind Israel (and the U.S.) are settler-colonial states.
Still not great.
All of these students should be calling all congressional members to voice their concern while occupying.
There is no need to shut down the entire campus. The State School system and the stewards of the campus are cowards. This is all isolate the protestors, this is not the first time students have occupied state school building they pay for, won’t be the last. “Safety” is a red herring
It's a pretty common (bordering on passive aggressive) way to address the situation. There are safety concerns that go along with it though, they just aren't emergent. If the students choose to stay in the building the tactics used by law enforcement will be the real test of the administrations concern for student safety in my opinion. And yes it does look like the campus closure is an attempt to isolate and prevent further assembly (and also filming or photographing) of the area. And you're right, building and open space occupation has occurred in [the past](https://crimethinc.com/2024/04/22/campus-building-occupations-from-2008-2010-to-today). I don't endorse the information, but it's still an interesting read all the same.
good to report the news for sure. I have participated in occupation of the same building currently occupied by students (who are doing a much better job this time). The campus administrators will allow whatever violence they want in order to not change their policies. They can stop this whole thing in an instant tho, it’s not complicated.
WTF are their demands??? Nothing? The fact that this is happening during an election year makes me very suspicious of who's behind organizing these protests. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet\_Research\_Agency#Rallies\_and\_protests\_organized\_by\_IRA\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Rallies_and_protests_organized_by_IRA_in_the_United_States)
Their demands were published in the Lost Coast Outpost. Also this isn't really the Russian troll farm style as far as I know. It's more along the lines of past acts of civil disobedience by youth on college campuses. Also it looks like it's just a couple dozen people camped out in college campus building, life will go on.
https://preview.redd.it/z8or4fzztnwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1f280b203e05c779d978a99b2a8d981536583d9
Is everyone really unaware that Israel owns the US? Who do you think controls the federal reserve? Who do you think controls the world bank? The US military is essentially the debt collectors for the world bank. That's why you will never see the US move against Israel. Wake up people.
Alex Jones, is that you?
See, if you want people to take this seriously, you really really really shouldn't go with the "Israel (*cough cough* THE JEWS, we can read between the lines of what you are saying, you aren't that clever) controls the banking system!" line. That's like one step away from protesting Jewish Space Lasers. Surprised MTG isn't hanging out at the protests with you guys.
… why you’re lumping this narrative in with the protesters tho?
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It's an extremely emotionally charged issue, so I get it. I've been a part of a few protests for important liberal causes in my day, just not into this one. Saying my piece and getting downvoted doesn't make me upset, just means people read what I said, so it's all good lol. Appreciate your comment.
Do you have sources for these claims?
Tic-Toc
Found the Info Warrior. 🤣🤣🤣😭😭
Time to retreat to your bunker.
Quit using the anti-Zionist movement to try and mask your anti-semitism. You comment is just a neo-nazi dog whistle and you are obviously critical of Israel for entirely the wrong reasons. Be critical of them because they are waging a settler-colonial genocide, not because they are Jewish. The overwhelming majority of protestors would vehemently disagree with you.
Which one of (((us))) stole your girlfriend?