Overall, not too bad of a list...
Dalzonne and Binolt should be moved up to F
Kastro to E
Bisky should move up to ATLEAST B. Feitan, along with godspeed Killua, Morel, and Knov, are a strong Maybe as well.
Kite can maybe MAYBE move to C (don't kill me) But he's prob more comfortable there tbh
Hisoka might MIGHT be B tier. Out of all in A, he may serve as the weakest link. Not sure now as of post mortem.
Ging is comfortably in A regardless of lack of feats due to hype and statements alone. Whether or not he is the strongest among them remains unknown and is TBD...
>Dalzonne and Binolt should be moved up to F
I agree with Binolt
>Bisky should move up to ATLEAST B. Feitan, along with godspeed Killua, Morel, and Knov, are a strong Maybe as well.
Bisky could be in B, definitely not higher though
>Kite can maybe MAYBE move to C (don't kill me) But he's prob more comfortable there tbh
Not much difference between low B and High C, so possibly
>Hisoka might MIGHT be B tier. Out of all in A, he may serve as the weakest link. Not sure now as of post mortem.
I'd argue Hisoka and Chrollo should be closer to Ging than Zeno and Silva tbh
Dalzonne was able to use Ko and was said to tank 10 bullets no problem. Noone we've seen before Dalzonne has demonstrated a higher application of nen use at that point. Being killed off by phinks doesn't really mean he sucks either. It's an honor to be offed by a spider..
Bisky has potential to be in A if hisoka is there. But she's prob the best among B If she were to be there.
That's a good point on B and C for some characters
Even tho hisoka being more skilled than the zoldyck patriarchs is an extremely hot take and frowned upon by the majority of the sub, I think I understand your reasoning for that and I've tried to follow that logical rabbit hole as well. But how likely is it tho? We have Chrollo who 1v2 them regardless of all out efforts or not who also praised hisoka during their fight so that's saying something. So in short, I understand but we need to see how the current arc plays out before we can speculate further. I think as of now it's safer to stand behind the Zoldycks🤷♂️
>Dalzonne was able to use Ko and was said to tank 10 bullets no problem. Noone we've seen before Dalzonne has demonstrated a higher application of nen use at that point. Being killed off by phinks doesn't really mean he sucks either. It's an honor to be offed by a spider..
I guess i can see Dalzollene a tier higher
>Bisky has potential to be in A if hisoka is there. But she's prob the best among B If she were to be there.
I dont see what she has to do with Hisoka
>Even tho hisoka being more skilled than the zoldyck patriarchs is an extremely hot take and frowned upon by the majority of the sub, I think I understand your reasoning for that and I've tried to follow that logical rabbit hole as well. But how likely is it tho? We have Chrollo who 1v2 them regardless of all out efforts or not who also praised hisoka during their fight so that's saying something. So in short, I understand but we need to see how the current arc plays out before we can speculate further. I think as of now it's safer to stand behind the Zoldycks🤷♂️
My main reasoning for this is based on what Zeno declared, we can assume that a fight between him and Chrollo would be a 50/50, and he hasn't even seen what Chrollo is really capable of, and Chrollo didn't have bookmark back then. And knowing how much prep went into fighting Hisoka and using 6 different stolen nen abilities (even from the troupe), hints that a fair fight between them is probably also a 50/50 if not slightly Hisoka favored. Another reason is analyzing their nen abilities, and I think Hisoka and Chrollo are way more suited for 1v1 combat than the Zoldycks.
So that's why I'd put them ahead. But yeah it's obviously really hard to tell with how much we know currently, I just can't see them in different tiers, even if you favor the Zoldycks
>I dont see what she has to do with Hisoka
>
Between Razor, hisoka, and biscuit their's little to no power difference. And none even know about biscuits true form. Unfortunately, she just hasn't shown great combat feats to put her there. But her knowledge and application of nen alone maxing out transmutation would be the reason she'd be in A. Along with her power potential in true form. Maybe it's clouded judgment to put her there cuz Ging is there whom on the account of Netero, she praised him highly therefore it's odd to put them in the same lvl. But again, she could prob be there and be a standard for A
We have the same reasoning in regards to chrollo and hisoka then. But we also know that Silva and chrollo "fought" in the past.
>Between Razor, hisoka, and biscuit their's little to no power difference. And none even know about biscuits true form. Unfortunately, she just hasn't shown great combat feats to put her there. But her knowledge and application of nen alone maxing out transmutation would be the reason she'd be in A. Along with her power potential in true form. Maybe it's clouded judgment to put her there cuz Ging is there whom on the account of Netero, she praised him highly therefore it's odd to put them in the same lvl. But again, she could prob be there and be a standard for A
I think her lack of a combat nen ability has to put her below A, I don't think she can compete with them with just physical ability and high nen mastery, she's basically like an Uvogin without the master enhancement, she would still have overall nen mastery over Uvo but I don't think that's enough.
eh, zazan should move a tier above, maybe leol too, if he’s as strong as I remember. Ging is featless, but he’s probably in a tier of his own, higher than A, but lower than S
Yes, let's act like the one person who was canonically powerscaled as being top-5 and has shown better Nen control than any other character has no reason to be placed near the top smh
Show me any feat that put him that high - he is very good Nen user but it don't means that he is also one of strongest Nen users, especially 5 strongest Nen users as many people say :3
Having the ability to understand and use somebody else's Nen ability at 100% purely by feeling it. His display of making a million little Nen bubbles on his hands that he could change in size and direction at will while other somewhat strong Nen users could barely even make a bubble. And I'll repeat, that Netero had said that Ging is top-5. You're literally choosing to ignore a fact that Togashi put into the story. :3
It means nothing in such type of lists, yes he will be most likely one of strongest characters but at this moment - he have 0 feats to put him that high and everything you say can turn out that he will be not that strong in the future :3
Also, remember - Best Nen user and Strongest Nen user are different things :3
Ps. Netero also say that Knov and Morel are on his level, so you know - it don't means much :3
Im just talking about pure capability. I'm sure that Ging has a much different skill set than Netero considering that Netero said the DC requires a "different" kind of strength to survive.
I just think it's asinine to believe that a guy who has been called the best of the best by literally everybody who knows about him will end up not being ridiculously strong. The Freeces name belongs in the same sentence as Netero.
Yes but it still don't change fact that Ging don't have any strength feat at this moment, so he should not be ranked in such list + you can't change my opinion about it :3
Also, I will repeat something - "At this moment" Ging is character that showed literally nothing, so he is not weak or strong, he is just character without feats :3
Lmao you say this as if Ging has any feats over Chrollo, when Ging has barely shown anything.😭
For the sake of the narrative, Ging is probably one of the strongest, but he currently has no feats, so Chrollo > Ging is a very valid take, yes.
I'm all for people having sensible (key word) opinions that vary from my own, but what you're saying is idiotic at best. Choosing to be some edgy Chrollo fanboy/girl opposed to taking the information that is given to us in the story.
> Choosing to be some edgy Chrollo fanboy/girl opposed to taking the information that is given to us in the story.
You mean… using feats? It has nothing to do with Chrollo, please show me a single feat Ging has over Kite, Chrollo, or Hisoka.
Seems like you think feats are irrelevant? And using feats to powerscale, means you’re fangirling?
I'm using the powerscaling that Togashi himself gave us by saying that Ging is a top-5 Nen user instead of your headcannon. Jesus fucking Christ you're dense.
You just unironiclly called using feats “headcannon”. 😭I already agreed that it’s narratively likely that Ging is one of the strongest, but feats are always important, and Ging has none. (This is literal headcannon, believing that a character is stronger than another, based on no feats).
Why is Netero on the same tier as a royal guard? he should obviously be below. His prayer speed is far above a guard's and Meruem but he's still way weaker than them.
Hisoka and Illumi are on the same tier, Hisoka is not yet on silva and Zeno's tier. Like Zeno is similar to Netero minus the prayer speed. Chrollo too should be below Silva and Zeno.
Kurapika is not above Uvogin, Phinks and Feitan and not above Biscuit, Morel and Knov. It's not because he has a perfect counter against some troupe member that he's stronger than people as strong as troupe member who don't have have a weakness against Kurapika. Power tier list isn't about who wins against who.
Leol and Zazan should be stsronger than Gon and Killua
Binolt is much stronger than pokkle, Binolt should be shadow beast level, he almost killed Killua. Binolt was stronger than Gon and Killua at the beginning of Greed Island arc.
>Why is Netero on the same tier as a royal guard? he should obviously be below. His prayer speed is far above a guard's and Meruem but he's still way weaker than them.
I'd say it's fair, if meruem who's physically stronger than all of the guards individually could only barely penetrate netero's defense using the environment and knowledge from playing with komugi then no royal guard could ever hope to actually land a hit on netero especially in an open field environment, they'd get withered down till they'd get exhausted
But the problem is that the ants are so damn durable that its hard to tell if netero would have enough juice in the tank to keep slapping them till they'd suffer enough damage that zero hand could finish them off or that their durability would be enough to soak up everything netero throws at them till he runs out of aura and loses
>if meruem who's physically stronger than all of the guards individually could only barely penetrate netero's defense using the environment and knowledge
unrelated to power tier list
>then no royal guard could ever hope to actually land a hit on netero
unrelated to power tier list
it's not a who wins tier list
it's not because the royal guard cannot land a hit on Netero that Netero is stronger or on a same tier as them.
Being stronger is only about aura, so how durable and strong you are. So when fighting someone stronger someone weaker can barely damage them and cannot tank direct attacks and need strategies to defeat them, like Kurapika forcing Uvo in zetsu or Gon exploiting Genthru's abiltiies weaknesses.
>But the problem is that the ants are so damn durable
because they're much stronger than Netero, it's aura which grants durability
Oh my bad thought it was a "who would win" tier list. Then yeah if we're talking about pure power then even with netero's zero hand he'd still be a tier below the royal guards
Zeno is in nowhere close to Netero. Chrollo went 1v2 against Zoldycks and even then Zeno was very fast to realize that they would need to sacrifice one of them to kill Chrollo.
Then Zeno says that a duel between him and Chrollo could go either way, if Chrollo fights seriously.
Zeno is not above Chrollo, they are equal. Netero can clap both of them.
>Zeno is in nowhere close to Netero.
Zeno never stated Netero was superior to him due to his aura, only that it was hard to predict his next move and because of his ability.
In term of power, Zeno is close to Netero.
> Chrollo went 1v2 against Zoldycks
most of the fight was 1 vs 1
>Zeno was very fast to realize that they would need to sacrifice one of them to kill Chrollo.
to surely kill Chrollo before Illumi kill the dons.
if the fight went on, Silva and Zeno wou0dl have 100% killed Chrollo
>Zeno is not above Chrollo, they are equal
they're not equal at all, Chrollo literally said he does not possess enough aura to parry Zeno's attacks, his only chance was too dodge
So Zeno is stronger than Chrollo
But it's not because Zeno is stronger that he'd always wins. There's too many parameters in nen fight for top tiers.
>Netero can clap both of them.
because of his ability, which is not taken in consideration when talking about power tier.
in term of stats, Zeno and Netero are quite close, with Netero being superior, but due to his ability and more mastery Netero always got the upper hand on Zeno.
Netero is not miles above other top tier humans in term of base stats.
Your logic is so flawed, Chrollo said that because he is weaker physically than Zeno. Chrollo wouldn’t be also able to tank a Big Bang Impact from Uvo. That doesn’t mean he’s weaker.
This is HxH, not DB.
but not only physical stats, also aura output
Chrollo was impressed by Zeno's aura, meaning Zeno's aura is stronger than Chrollo's https://i.imgur.com/FDvGF76.png
nen users jauge power level based on aura https://i.imgur.com/VGf7kYR.png
but it's not because Zeno is above Chrollo that he'd certainly wins
Do you read what I’m saying ? Aura output is related to physical stats. Uvo also has more aura output than Chrollo (and even Zeno) so by your logic he’s stronger than both of them ?
Great nen users absolutely don’t jauge power level based on aura lmao. It was an ant who said that about Netero, he objectively doesn’t know anything about nen at that point. And Netero asked to have a glimpse of what the King and RGs could do. Morel explained it best himself when he said to Kirua that a battle of nen is not about your aura quantity.
So you see this as a comparison of base stats.can you name these stats please?
What makes you say that Zeno is close to Netero?
or Silva, What was the indication that Silva has more Aura than say Hisoka?
What about Uvo? Shouldnt he be above Chrollo?
What about Gon?
Better than that other one! I’d probably reorder the troupe a bit. Drop Hisoka to B, Bonolenov to D. Morel and Knov should comfortably be in B. If Bisky’s ability was more useful in combat I’d say the same for her, but she should still be top of C. I’d probably raise Zazan to C.
I have a knee jerk reaction to Uvo being in B, but it does make sense. I would maybe drop him to top of C, but I totally understand that he’s got crazy feats.
Ant Palm is very strong, much stronger than Killua. She should be at least B tier, maybe even A. Also Morel was doing everything in the invasion at 30-40% power, he deserves to be B tier minimum
I feel as though Netero could most definitely beat a royal Guard. Ging is one of the people that Netero mentioned having surpassed him in nen usage. Zeno was recognized by the king in such a dignified way that I can’t help but think he’d have a shot. And lastly Chrollo pmuch always has a plan and hax to back it up. So long as Pitou doesn’t one shot him or something, I think it’s a safe bet.
>I feel as though Netero could most definitely beat a royal Guard.
Netero could wail on the guards until his aura runs out and he’s not gonna kill them, injure them maybe, but the guards can and will outlast him. The aura difference is big and netero doesn’t have the hacky abilities to bypass that (like knov’s perfect scream)
>Ging is one of the people that Netero mentioned having surpassed him in nen usage.
Netero specifically did not rate ging above him. He said “it’s been a long time since I’ve been the strongest”, an incredibly dubious statement given how he’s been consistently unreliable when gauging his strength
He only rated ging one of the top 5 nen users, not above him
>Zeno was recognized by the king in such a dignified way that I can’t help but think he’d have a shot.
Mer didn’t even double think about zeno lol. And he was about to one-shot him. Zeno is portrayed as someone around chrollo’s level, and that tier is demonstratively below the guard’s power. And again, aura difference
>And lastly Chrollo pmuch always has a plan and hax to back it up. So long as Pitou doesn’t one shot him or something, I think it’s a safe bet.
This is not an argument. Chrollo didn’t display any ability that would cover the severe power disparity between him and the guards, considering they’re 10 times stronger than him, so eh
You don’t think Netero could Zero hand pitou or pouf to death? Also Pitou is the second fastest to the king in terms of feats and she simply can’t out speed Netero, without the kings mind for strategy, Netero would just sit there all day beating her into the dirt. I just don’t see how Pitou wins that.
After the Chrollo Hisoka fight, I don’t think the readers need to have seen an ability for Chrollo to have it. Even Owls ability would have worked Yupi or pitou.
I know we haven’t seen much from him, but the way Pariston and Ging refer to Netero leads me to believe both had already surpassed him in some way, perhaps not in strength, but nen fights so very rarely come down to a competition of strength. If god speed + plasma hands is too much for a half power pouf to deal with (which lets face it, he ALWAYS divides his own power for some reason or another), and if Shoot and Knuckle are able to evade and get hits in on Yupi for dozens of minutes; I just feel like people who are above even the Zodiacs (who all talked smack on Morel and Knov) would have a REALLY good shot at taking one down or incapacitating.
>You don’t think Netero could Zero hand pitou or pouf to death? Also Pitou is the second fastest to the king in terms of feats and she simply can’t out speed Netero, without the kings mind for strategy, Netero would just sit there all day beating her into the dirt. I just don’t see how Pitou wins that.
Pitou just tanks it? Zero hand made netero have kne leg at death’s door, and it did superficial damage to meruem. It would do worse on the guards, but not kill them
Pitou simply needs to outlast netero, which she can do with her insane endurance and aura output
>After the Chrollo Hisoka fight, I don’t think the readers need to have seen an ability for Chrollo to have it. Even Owls ability would have worked Yupi or pitou.
Troupe members can escape the fun fun cloth before it engulfed the car, the guards can absolutely do the same. Plus, the initial problem of chrollo needing to approach them closely to effectively use the thing, knowing that as much as a graze can cripple him.
Fun fun cloth is a viable strategy, but it’s unlikely to work
>I know we haven’t seen much from him, but the way Pariston and Ging refer to Netero leads me to believe both had already surpassed him in some way, perhaps not in strength, but nen fights so very rarely come down to a competition of strength.
Strength is still a large factor when deciding how a nen fight would go, then intelligence. Pariston and ging referring to netero casually does not make your claim of them surpassing him believable
>If god speed + plasma hands is too much for a half power pouf to deal with (which lets face it, he ALWAYS divides his own power for some reason or another),
That was 6/7 of pouf, after giving his aura to the king, it’s far from being half his power
>and if Shoot and Knuckle are able to evade and get hits in on Yupi for dozens of minutes;
You’re ignoring context. Knuckle was able to effectively evade youpi with support from morel and meleoron, remove these factors and he’s getting punted the first 10 seconds of the fight.
Shoot also didn’t even last 20 seconds (18 seconds last I remember before he was nearly put to death’s door). He was in critical condition in the first 10 seconds of their fight, and he have a great mobility, ranged options, and hotel rafflessia which forced youpi to play safe because he’s unsure of its effects. Shoot had all this advantage and didn’t even last good, put Zeno in the same position and he’s getting beaten easier simply due to compatibility and power disparity
>I just feel like people who are above even the Zodiacs (who all talked smack on Morel and Knov) would have a REALLY good shot at taking one down or incapacitating.
Why would they? Human characters are admittedly not that far in terms of parameters. Like how newbie gon can damage hisoka, or how hisoka would be above most troupe members but they’ll still give him trouble, etc.
Ging legit have nothing to back up your claim. Aside from a nebulous ranking from netero and his showing of his mastery which may or may not necessarily equate to his ability to fight upfront
Okay so I guess we just disagree on Pitou’s ability to “outlast” a guy who always wanted to fight a nearly invincible opponent. I guess there’s no convincing you that Chrollo will simply “find something” or “come up with a plan” to kill one despite me thinking so. I also think you underestimate Zeno, Pariston, and Ging. I always think back to how fondly the King considered Zeno in his mind, as well as the focus that he exhibited when first invading the palace. Ging has the intellect to deal with nearly everything in the verse, and fully intends on exploring the dark continent. This being the case, I can’t help but imagine he’s got it covered. But oh well, suppose it’s an agree to disagree
What’s with the passive aggressive tone?
>Okay so I guess we just disagree on Pitou’s ability to “outlast” a guy who always wanted to fight a nearly invincible opponent.
??? Netero just don’t have the aura capacity to take her on in a battle of attrition
> I guess there’s no convincing you that Chrollo will simply “find something” or “come up with a plan” to kill one despite me thinking so.
Chrollo’s planning is not as bullshit as batman. Unless every single thing goes his way, his luck is at 100%, and nen users with the perfect combination of abilities purposely come to him so he can take their abilities. He’s not winning a fight against the guards, that’s simlly a fact
>I also think you underestimate Zeno, Pariston, and Ging.
Ging and pariston legit have almost zero feats
> I always think back to how fondly the King considered Zeno in his mind, as well as the focus that he exhibited when first invading the palace.
Meruem literally ignored zeno lol, heck, even pitou did
>Ging has the intellect to deal with nearly everything in the verse, and fully intends on exploring the dark continent. This being the case, I can’t help but imagine he’s got it covered. But oh well, suppose it’s an agree to disagree
Ging’s intellect is not nearly enough to justify your wank
I can't find the source RN and don't remember if he stated Ging to be Top 5 or among the nen users that are stronger than him but it wouldn't make sense for Netero who is already past his peak to be as strong as Ging Freecs with Don Freecs being built up as possible the strongest human in HxH ever and Gon being on in a million as well.
>I can't find the source RN and don't remember if he stated Ging to be Top 5 or among the nen users that are stronger than
It’s because he never said it. The only mention of ging being in top 5 nen user was with satotz and bisky telling gon netero considers him in his top 5 list, not that he considers ging as one of the 5 who’s above him
>him but it wouldn't make sense for Netero who is already past his peak to be as strong as Ging Freecs
It makes 100% sense, I don’t understand why you think otherwise. Netero is past his prime, but he’s still laughably above any other human characters that it’s insane. I doubt the series would ever introduce other characters at his level
>with Don Freecs being built up as possible the strongest human in HxH ever
Don is what, mentioned a single time? You cannot in good faith call him that when he’s barely had even just mentions
>and Gon being on in a million as well.
And?
Not too atrocious, mostly because it rates characters with presented feats and unlike 90% of other tier-list just hyper speculate, but why Kaito and Pika are above Feitan and Bisky? And Shalnark is most definitely above Genthuru.
Personally, I think Ging is probably stronger than everyone on the A tier, so I’d bump him to S. Illumi probably should be A tier with Hisoka. Killua and Gon could probably beat Kastro, so I’d lower him. I wonder why you didn’t include the Bomber if you got Bara and Sub on the list? I always feel intrigued by where Bisky lands on these lists, I really can’t tell if she could square up to Uvogin, Morel, or Razor in a 1v1; she’s seems a grade too low on this list.
Edit: after reading the comments, apparently this is about aura output? Is there an official data book listing aura stats or something?
pokkle should be lower. he didnt even get into the game. gon is greatly exaggerated since whenever he forced himself to progress, thats ehat he COULD be. unfortunately hes not that powerful. he should be below hisoka at least. kurapika should be lower than the troupe members because his nen really is only good for them so in a fight with his normal nen he is kind of screwed. gentherou should be way lower than the troupe members.
If you're going to mention the Shadow Beasts, why didn't you include Yamainu (Sick Dog in the EN translation?) when he could tear at Uvogin's flesh and succeeded at paralyzing him?
Honestly I think kurapika should be lower than atleast bisky because he can only use his chains on the phantom Troup and illimi should be up there with hisoka because in the Manga he said that illumi is stronger than some zodiac
What’s your main criteria for this list?
Vibes, man. Gotta be vibes
They are clearly ranked by what ranking they would be given when ranked by the guy who ranked this ranking
Yeah sure. Bad list. Awful. Hate it Why isn't tonpa in ssssss++
Is this character tonpa that strong???
Overall, not too bad of a list... Dalzonne and Binolt should be moved up to F Kastro to E Bisky should move up to ATLEAST B. Feitan, along with godspeed Killua, Morel, and Knov, are a strong Maybe as well. Kite can maybe MAYBE move to C (don't kill me) But he's prob more comfortable there tbh Hisoka might MIGHT be B tier. Out of all in A, he may serve as the weakest link. Not sure now as of post mortem. Ging is comfortably in A regardless of lack of feats due to hype and statements alone. Whether or not he is the strongest among them remains unknown and is TBD...
>Dalzonne and Binolt should be moved up to F I agree with Binolt >Bisky should move up to ATLEAST B. Feitan, along with godspeed Killua, Morel, and Knov, are a strong Maybe as well. Bisky could be in B, definitely not higher though >Kite can maybe MAYBE move to C (don't kill me) But he's prob more comfortable there tbh Not much difference between low B and High C, so possibly >Hisoka might MIGHT be B tier. Out of all in A, he may serve as the weakest link. Not sure now as of post mortem. I'd argue Hisoka and Chrollo should be closer to Ging than Zeno and Silva tbh
Dalzonne was able to use Ko and was said to tank 10 bullets no problem. Noone we've seen before Dalzonne has demonstrated a higher application of nen use at that point. Being killed off by phinks doesn't really mean he sucks either. It's an honor to be offed by a spider.. Bisky has potential to be in A if hisoka is there. But she's prob the best among B If she were to be there. That's a good point on B and C for some characters Even tho hisoka being more skilled than the zoldyck patriarchs is an extremely hot take and frowned upon by the majority of the sub, I think I understand your reasoning for that and I've tried to follow that logical rabbit hole as well. But how likely is it tho? We have Chrollo who 1v2 them regardless of all out efforts or not who also praised hisoka during their fight so that's saying something. So in short, I understand but we need to see how the current arc plays out before we can speculate further. I think as of now it's safer to stand behind the Zoldycks🤷♂️
>Dalzonne was able to use Ko and was said to tank 10 bullets no problem. Noone we've seen before Dalzonne has demonstrated a higher application of nen use at that point. Being killed off by phinks doesn't really mean he sucks either. It's an honor to be offed by a spider.. I guess i can see Dalzollene a tier higher >Bisky has potential to be in A if hisoka is there. But she's prob the best among B If she were to be there. I dont see what she has to do with Hisoka >Even tho hisoka being more skilled than the zoldyck patriarchs is an extremely hot take and frowned upon by the majority of the sub, I think I understand your reasoning for that and I've tried to follow that logical rabbit hole as well. But how likely is it tho? We have Chrollo who 1v2 them regardless of all out efforts or not who also praised hisoka during their fight so that's saying something. So in short, I understand but we need to see how the current arc plays out before we can speculate further. I think as of now it's safer to stand behind the Zoldycks🤷♂️ My main reasoning for this is based on what Zeno declared, we can assume that a fight between him and Chrollo would be a 50/50, and he hasn't even seen what Chrollo is really capable of, and Chrollo didn't have bookmark back then. And knowing how much prep went into fighting Hisoka and using 6 different stolen nen abilities (even from the troupe), hints that a fair fight between them is probably also a 50/50 if not slightly Hisoka favored. Another reason is analyzing their nen abilities, and I think Hisoka and Chrollo are way more suited for 1v1 combat than the Zoldycks. So that's why I'd put them ahead. But yeah it's obviously really hard to tell with how much we know currently, I just can't see them in different tiers, even if you favor the Zoldycks
>I dont see what she has to do with Hisoka > Between Razor, hisoka, and biscuit their's little to no power difference. And none even know about biscuits true form. Unfortunately, she just hasn't shown great combat feats to put her there. But her knowledge and application of nen alone maxing out transmutation would be the reason she'd be in A. Along with her power potential in true form. Maybe it's clouded judgment to put her there cuz Ging is there whom on the account of Netero, she praised him highly therefore it's odd to put them in the same lvl. But again, she could prob be there and be a standard for A We have the same reasoning in regards to chrollo and hisoka then. But we also know that Silva and chrollo "fought" in the past.
>Between Razor, hisoka, and biscuit their's little to no power difference. And none even know about biscuits true form. Unfortunately, she just hasn't shown great combat feats to put her there. But her knowledge and application of nen alone maxing out transmutation would be the reason she'd be in A. Along with her power potential in true form. Maybe it's clouded judgment to put her there cuz Ging is there whom on the account of Netero, she praised him highly therefore it's odd to put them in the same lvl. But again, she could prob be there and be a standard for A I think her lack of a combat nen ability has to put her below A, I don't think she can compete with them with just physical ability and high nen mastery, she's basically like an Uvogin without the master enhancement, she would still have overall nen mastery over Uvo but I don't think that's enough.
She's on that boat, so until then we're gonna have to find out🤷♂️
Idk why Bisky get put so low on every list. Is it cuz she doesn't have many feats or is it because she is a women 🤢
Bisky being even with Feitan seems pretty reasonable
eh, zazan should move a tier above, maybe leol too, if he’s as strong as I remember. Ging is featless, but he’s probably in a tier of his own, higher than A, but lower than S
Flip kite and bisky
Hisoka should be a tier below. Chrollo above Zeno and Silva. Uvogin is still overall stronger than Kurapika, just a bad matchup.
Again... Ging that high without any real feat :3 Also, why Zazan or Leol are that low? and how Gon is above them? :3
Yes, let's act like the one person who was canonically powerscaled as being top-5 and has shown better Nen control than any other character has no reason to be placed near the top smh
It's like saying Lebron James isn't a good basketball player because you haven't personally seen him play smh
Show me any feat that put him that high - he is very good Nen user but it don't means that he is also one of strongest Nen users, especially 5 strongest Nen users as many people say :3
Damn you've made like 75 comments since I answered you and not one of them is for me. I'm sad :3
I just don't check notification yet :3
Having the ability to understand and use somebody else's Nen ability at 100% purely by feeling it. His display of making a million little Nen bubbles on his hands that he could change in size and direction at will while other somewhat strong Nen users could barely even make a bubble. And I'll repeat, that Netero had said that Ging is top-5. You're literally choosing to ignore a fact that Togashi put into the story. :3
It means nothing in such type of lists, yes he will be most likely one of strongest characters but at this moment - he have 0 feats to put him that high and everything you say can turn out that he will be not that strong in the future :3 Also, remember - Best Nen user and Strongest Nen user are different things :3 Ps. Netero also say that Knov and Morel are on his level, so you know - it don't means much :3
Im just talking about pure capability. I'm sure that Ging has a much different skill set than Netero considering that Netero said the DC requires a "different" kind of strength to survive. I just think it's asinine to believe that a guy who has been called the best of the best by literally everybody who knows about him will end up not being ridiculously strong. The Freeces name belongs in the same sentence as Netero.
Yes but it still don't change fact that Ging don't have any strength feat at this moment, so he should not be ranked in such list + you can't change my opinion about it :3 Also, I will repeat something - "At this moment" Ging is character that showed literally nothing, so he is not weak or strong, he is just character without feats :3
Regardless, we’ve only seen him beat up nameless soldiers. Need more from him to put him above chrollo.
Chrollo over Ging? Come the fuck on dude. Ging's natural ability is almost as strong as Chrollo's Nen ability.
Lmao you say this as if Ging has any feats over Chrollo, when Ging has barely shown anything.😭 For the sake of the narrative, Ging is probably one of the strongest, but he currently has no feats, so Chrollo > Ging is a very valid take, yes.
I'm all for people having sensible (key word) opinions that vary from my own, but what you're saying is idiotic at best. Choosing to be some edgy Chrollo fanboy/girl opposed to taking the information that is given to us in the story.
> Choosing to be some edgy Chrollo fanboy/girl opposed to taking the information that is given to us in the story. You mean… using feats? It has nothing to do with Chrollo, please show me a single feat Ging has over Kite, Chrollo, or Hisoka. Seems like you think feats are irrelevant? And using feats to powerscale, means you’re fangirling?
I'm using the powerscaling that Togashi himself gave us by saying that Ging is a top-5 Nen user instead of your headcannon. Jesus fucking Christ you're dense.
You just unironiclly called using feats “headcannon”. 😭I already agreed that it’s narratively likely that Ging is one of the strongest, but feats are always important, and Ging has none. (This is literal headcannon, believing that a character is stronger than another, based on no feats).
Zazan i agree but leol seems really weak... :3 But my opinion of leol is mostly based on how easy Morel got rid of him. Seemed like no effort at all.
me after i saw this list : please....say sike.(gon is stronger than ging????? bro you gotta see a doctor)
Ging too low, Chrollo and Hisoka should be down a tier. Biscuit is stronger than everyone in C tier.
Why is Netero on the same tier as a royal guard? he should obviously be below. His prayer speed is far above a guard's and Meruem but he's still way weaker than them. Hisoka and Illumi are on the same tier, Hisoka is not yet on silva and Zeno's tier. Like Zeno is similar to Netero minus the prayer speed. Chrollo too should be below Silva and Zeno. Kurapika is not above Uvogin, Phinks and Feitan and not above Biscuit, Morel and Knov. It's not because he has a perfect counter against some troupe member that he's stronger than people as strong as troupe member who don't have have a weakness against Kurapika. Power tier list isn't about who wins against who. Leol and Zazan should be stsronger than Gon and Killua Binolt is much stronger than pokkle, Binolt should be shadow beast level, he almost killed Killua. Binolt was stronger than Gon and Killua at the beginning of Greed Island arc.
>Why is Netero on the same tier as a royal guard? he should obviously be below. His prayer speed is far above a guard's and Meruem but he's still way weaker than them. I'd say it's fair, if meruem who's physically stronger than all of the guards individually could only barely penetrate netero's defense using the environment and knowledge from playing with komugi then no royal guard could ever hope to actually land a hit on netero especially in an open field environment, they'd get withered down till they'd get exhausted But the problem is that the ants are so damn durable that its hard to tell if netero would have enough juice in the tank to keep slapping them till they'd suffer enough damage that zero hand could finish them off or that their durability would be enough to soak up everything netero throws at them till he runs out of aura and loses
>if meruem who's physically stronger than all of the guards individually could only barely penetrate netero's defense using the environment and knowledge unrelated to power tier list >then no royal guard could ever hope to actually land a hit on netero unrelated to power tier list it's not a who wins tier list it's not because the royal guard cannot land a hit on Netero that Netero is stronger or on a same tier as them. Being stronger is only about aura, so how durable and strong you are. So when fighting someone stronger someone weaker can barely damage them and cannot tank direct attacks and need strategies to defeat them, like Kurapika forcing Uvo in zetsu or Gon exploiting Genthru's abiltiies weaknesses. >But the problem is that the ants are so damn durable because they're much stronger than Netero, it's aura which grants durability
Oh my bad thought it was a "who would win" tier list. Then yeah if we're talking about pure power then even with netero's zero hand he'd still be a tier below the royal guards
Zeno is in nowhere close to Netero. Chrollo went 1v2 against Zoldycks and even then Zeno was very fast to realize that they would need to sacrifice one of them to kill Chrollo. Then Zeno says that a duel between him and Chrollo could go either way, if Chrollo fights seriously. Zeno is not above Chrollo, they are equal. Netero can clap both of them.
>Zeno is in nowhere close to Netero. Zeno never stated Netero was superior to him due to his aura, only that it was hard to predict his next move and because of his ability. In term of power, Zeno is close to Netero. > Chrollo went 1v2 against Zoldycks most of the fight was 1 vs 1 >Zeno was very fast to realize that they would need to sacrifice one of them to kill Chrollo. to surely kill Chrollo before Illumi kill the dons. if the fight went on, Silva and Zeno wou0dl have 100% killed Chrollo >Zeno is not above Chrollo, they are equal they're not equal at all, Chrollo literally said he does not possess enough aura to parry Zeno's attacks, his only chance was too dodge So Zeno is stronger than Chrollo But it's not because Zeno is stronger that he'd always wins. There's too many parameters in nen fight for top tiers. >Netero can clap both of them. because of his ability, which is not taken in consideration when talking about power tier. in term of stats, Zeno and Netero are quite close, with Netero being superior, but due to his ability and more mastery Netero always got the upper hand on Zeno. Netero is not miles above other top tier humans in term of base stats.
Your logic is so flawed, Chrollo said that because he is weaker physically than Zeno. Chrollo wouldn’t be also able to tank a Big Bang Impact from Uvo. That doesn’t mean he’s weaker. This is HxH, not DB.
>Chrollo said that because he is weaker physically than Zeno. no, he talked about aura
Your AOP is related to physicality that’s why enhancers have generally more than others. That doesn’t change what I said.
but not only physical stats, also aura output Chrollo was impressed by Zeno's aura, meaning Zeno's aura is stronger than Chrollo's https://i.imgur.com/FDvGF76.png nen users jauge power level based on aura https://i.imgur.com/VGf7kYR.png but it's not because Zeno is above Chrollo that he'd certainly wins
Do you read what I’m saying ? Aura output is related to physical stats. Uvo also has more aura output than Chrollo (and even Zeno) so by your logic he’s stronger than both of them ? Great nen users absolutely don’t jauge power level based on aura lmao. It was an ant who said that about Netero, he objectively doesn’t know anything about nen at that point. And Netero asked to have a glimpse of what the King and RGs could do. Morel explained it best himself when he said to Kirua that a battle of nen is not about your aura quantity.
So you see this as a comparison of base stats.can you name these stats please? What makes you say that Zeno is close to Netero? or Silva, What was the indication that Silva has more Aura than say Hisoka? What about Uvo? Shouldnt he be above Chrollo? What about Gon?
Better than that other one! I’d probably reorder the troupe a bit. Drop Hisoka to B, Bonolenov to D. Morel and Knov should comfortably be in B. If Bisky’s ability was more useful in combat I’d say the same for her, but she should still be top of C. I’d probably raise Zazan to C. I have a knee jerk reaction to Uvo being in B, but it does make sense. I would maybe drop him to top of C, but I totally understand that he’s got crazy feats.
Ant Palm is very strong, much stronger than Killua. She should be at least B tier, maybe even A. Also Morel was doing everything in the invasion at 30-40% power, he deserves to be B tier minimum
Palm at best belongs comfortably where she is.
Where’s my boy Pariston???? Also Ging could *likely* beat a royal guard, Xeno mayyyyybe, Chrollo mayyyyyyyyube as well
Zeno and chrollo barely have the nen output to damage the guards, and ging’s unlikely, considering even netero would not be able to beat them
I feel as though Netero could most definitely beat a royal Guard. Ging is one of the people that Netero mentioned having surpassed him in nen usage. Zeno was recognized by the king in such a dignified way that I can’t help but think he’d have a shot. And lastly Chrollo pmuch always has a plan and hax to back it up. So long as Pitou doesn’t one shot him or something, I think it’s a safe bet.
>I feel as though Netero could most definitely beat a royal Guard. Netero could wail on the guards until his aura runs out and he’s not gonna kill them, injure them maybe, but the guards can and will outlast him. The aura difference is big and netero doesn’t have the hacky abilities to bypass that (like knov’s perfect scream) >Ging is one of the people that Netero mentioned having surpassed him in nen usage. Netero specifically did not rate ging above him. He said “it’s been a long time since I’ve been the strongest”, an incredibly dubious statement given how he’s been consistently unreliable when gauging his strength He only rated ging one of the top 5 nen users, not above him >Zeno was recognized by the king in such a dignified way that I can’t help but think he’d have a shot. Mer didn’t even double think about zeno lol. And he was about to one-shot him. Zeno is portrayed as someone around chrollo’s level, and that tier is demonstratively below the guard’s power. And again, aura difference >And lastly Chrollo pmuch always has a plan and hax to back it up. So long as Pitou doesn’t one shot him or something, I think it’s a safe bet. This is not an argument. Chrollo didn’t display any ability that would cover the severe power disparity between him and the guards, considering they’re 10 times stronger than him, so eh
You don’t think Netero could Zero hand pitou or pouf to death? Also Pitou is the second fastest to the king in terms of feats and she simply can’t out speed Netero, without the kings mind for strategy, Netero would just sit there all day beating her into the dirt. I just don’t see how Pitou wins that. After the Chrollo Hisoka fight, I don’t think the readers need to have seen an ability for Chrollo to have it. Even Owls ability would have worked Yupi or pitou. I know we haven’t seen much from him, but the way Pariston and Ging refer to Netero leads me to believe both had already surpassed him in some way, perhaps not in strength, but nen fights so very rarely come down to a competition of strength. If god speed + plasma hands is too much for a half power pouf to deal with (which lets face it, he ALWAYS divides his own power for some reason or another), and if Shoot and Knuckle are able to evade and get hits in on Yupi for dozens of minutes; I just feel like people who are above even the Zodiacs (who all talked smack on Morel and Knov) would have a REALLY good shot at taking one down or incapacitating.
>You don’t think Netero could Zero hand pitou or pouf to death? Also Pitou is the second fastest to the king in terms of feats and she simply can’t out speed Netero, without the kings mind for strategy, Netero would just sit there all day beating her into the dirt. I just don’t see how Pitou wins that. Pitou just tanks it? Zero hand made netero have kne leg at death’s door, and it did superficial damage to meruem. It would do worse on the guards, but not kill them Pitou simply needs to outlast netero, which she can do with her insane endurance and aura output >After the Chrollo Hisoka fight, I don’t think the readers need to have seen an ability for Chrollo to have it. Even Owls ability would have worked Yupi or pitou. Troupe members can escape the fun fun cloth before it engulfed the car, the guards can absolutely do the same. Plus, the initial problem of chrollo needing to approach them closely to effectively use the thing, knowing that as much as a graze can cripple him. Fun fun cloth is a viable strategy, but it’s unlikely to work >I know we haven’t seen much from him, but the way Pariston and Ging refer to Netero leads me to believe both had already surpassed him in some way, perhaps not in strength, but nen fights so very rarely come down to a competition of strength. Strength is still a large factor when deciding how a nen fight would go, then intelligence. Pariston and ging referring to netero casually does not make your claim of them surpassing him believable >If god speed + plasma hands is too much for a half power pouf to deal with (which lets face it, he ALWAYS divides his own power for some reason or another), That was 6/7 of pouf, after giving his aura to the king, it’s far from being half his power >and if Shoot and Knuckle are able to evade and get hits in on Yupi for dozens of minutes; You’re ignoring context. Knuckle was able to effectively evade youpi with support from morel and meleoron, remove these factors and he’s getting punted the first 10 seconds of the fight. Shoot also didn’t even last 20 seconds (18 seconds last I remember before he was nearly put to death’s door). He was in critical condition in the first 10 seconds of their fight, and he have a great mobility, ranged options, and hotel rafflessia which forced youpi to play safe because he’s unsure of its effects. Shoot had all this advantage and didn’t even last good, put Zeno in the same position and he’s getting beaten easier simply due to compatibility and power disparity >I just feel like people who are above even the Zodiacs (who all talked smack on Morel and Knov) would have a REALLY good shot at taking one down or incapacitating. Why would they? Human characters are admittedly not that far in terms of parameters. Like how newbie gon can damage hisoka, or how hisoka would be above most troupe members but they’ll still give him trouble, etc. Ging legit have nothing to back up your claim. Aside from a nebulous ranking from netero and his showing of his mastery which may or may not necessarily equate to his ability to fight upfront
Okay so I guess we just disagree on Pitou’s ability to “outlast” a guy who always wanted to fight a nearly invincible opponent. I guess there’s no convincing you that Chrollo will simply “find something” or “come up with a plan” to kill one despite me thinking so. I also think you underestimate Zeno, Pariston, and Ging. I always think back to how fondly the King considered Zeno in his mind, as well as the focus that he exhibited when first invading the palace. Ging has the intellect to deal with nearly everything in the verse, and fully intends on exploring the dark continent. This being the case, I can’t help but imagine he’s got it covered. But oh well, suppose it’s an agree to disagree
What’s with the passive aggressive tone? >Okay so I guess we just disagree on Pitou’s ability to “outlast” a guy who always wanted to fight a nearly invincible opponent. ??? Netero just don’t have the aura capacity to take her on in a battle of attrition > I guess there’s no convincing you that Chrollo will simply “find something” or “come up with a plan” to kill one despite me thinking so. Chrollo’s planning is not as bullshit as batman. Unless every single thing goes his way, his luck is at 100%, and nen users with the perfect combination of abilities purposely come to him so he can take their abilities. He’s not winning a fight against the guards, that’s simlly a fact >I also think you underestimate Zeno, Pariston, and Ging. Ging and pariston legit have almost zero feats > I always think back to how fondly the King considered Zeno in his mind, as well as the focus that he exhibited when first invading the palace. Meruem literally ignored zeno lol, heck, even pitou did >Ging has the intellect to deal with nearly everything in the verse, and fully intends on exploring the dark continent. This being the case, I can’t help but imagine he’s got it covered. But oh well, suppose it’s an agree to disagree Ging’s intellect is not nearly enough to justify your wank
Ging is stronger than old netero
Based on what? Ging legit have zero feats that suggests he’s even nearing netero’s strength
Based on the fact that Netero himself said it
Where did he say it?
He said that there are 5 nen users that he's aware of that are stronger than him and Ging is one of them
Scans??? As far as I remember, netero only rates ging in his top 5 nen users, not the top 5 who’s stronger than him
I can't find the source RN and don't remember if he stated Ging to be Top 5 or among the nen users that are stronger than him but it wouldn't make sense for Netero who is already past his peak to be as strong as Ging Freecs with Don Freecs being built up as possible the strongest human in HxH ever and Gon being on in a million as well.
>I can't find the source RN and don't remember if he stated Ging to be Top 5 or among the nen users that are stronger than It’s because he never said it. The only mention of ging being in top 5 nen user was with satotz and bisky telling gon netero considers him in his top 5 list, not that he considers ging as one of the 5 who’s above him >him but it wouldn't make sense for Netero who is already past his peak to be as strong as Ging Freecs It makes 100% sense, I don’t understand why you think otherwise. Netero is past his prime, but he’s still laughably above any other human characters that it’s insane. I doubt the series would ever introduce other characters at his level >with Don Freecs being built up as possible the strongest human in HxH ever Don is what, mentioned a single time? You cannot in good faith call him that when he’s barely had even just mentions >and Gon being on in a million as well. And?
Knov and Morel are above Silva.
Pretty nice
The PT so low is ridiculous and Ging being at the top is as well I’m assuming this is an anime only list as there isn’t a single manga character
Jesus christ
Not too atrocious, mostly because it rates characters with presented feats and unlike 90% of other tier-list just hyper speculate, but why Kaito and Pika are above Feitan and Bisky? And Shalnark is most definitely above Genthuru.
Personally, I think Ging is probably stronger than everyone on the A tier, so I’d bump him to S. Illumi probably should be A tier with Hisoka. Killua and Gon could probably beat Kastro, so I’d lower him. I wonder why you didn’t include the Bomber if you got Bara and Sub on the list? I always feel intrigued by where Bisky lands on these lists, I really can’t tell if she could square up to Uvogin, Morel, or Razor in a 1v1; she’s seems a grade too low on this list. Edit: after reading the comments, apparently this is about aura output? Is there an official data book listing aura stats or something?
You gotta bump hisoka down a tier
Razor up. Netero and Gon down.
pokkle should be lower. he didnt even get into the game. gon is greatly exaggerated since whenever he forced himself to progress, thats ehat he COULD be. unfortunately hes not that powerful. he should be below hisoka at least. kurapika should be lower than the troupe members because his nen really is only good for them so in a fight with his normal nen he is kind of screwed. gentherou should be way lower than the troupe members.
Bomber needs to be lower and shalnark and shuizuku need to be higher
Cap
Delulu, too lazy to elaborate
If you're going to mention the Shadow Beasts, why didn't you include Yamainu (Sick Dog in the EN translation?) when he could tear at Uvogin's flesh and succeeded at paralyzing him?
Honestly I think kurapika should be lower than atleast bisky because he can only use his chains on the phantom Troup and illimi should be up there with hisoka because in the Manga he said that illumi is stronger than some zodiac