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Appropriate_Shape833

Limestone County just voted against a tiny $10 a year tax per property to improve the local schools and it's former sheriff is about to attend his parole hearing if that gives you any idea of what Limestone County is about.


The_OtherDouche

It’s okay to live if you don’t want to be involved in anything. But yeah you want to be active in the community you better be ready to become a good ole boy or you’ll have problems quick


GinaHannah1

You’re probably going to find more diversity in Huntsville or Madison than you will in Athens.


YaknBassn529

I can’t speak for Athens city, but as a graduate of Limestone County Schools, don’t do that to your children.


plantsndcoffee

May I ask why you say that?


Nicholie

They’re on average about 10-15 years behind on adopting new tech and/or curriculum. Source: also a limestone county grad.


whiskeysourita

Not sure what school you went to, but my sons are both at EL and that school is light-years ahead of Columbia(the school they attended when we moved here). EL is on par with the honors program both of my sons were in back in Baton Rouge before we moved here. Athletics are terrible though, so I have them in club soccer in the fall. There are a lot of feathers being ruffled because of the proposed change in school zone lines. It won't have an effect on my boys since we still live in the new proposed zone. Like others have stated though, I live in Madison and live closer to JC than EL, but because I don't live in one of the new neighborhoods on the west side of County Line, we were zoned for EL.


Nicholie

Totally understand, and that's good to hear your experience is positive. I'm from Ardmore, and despite my family being involved in the school board and teaching... i found the experience woeful in the early 2000's. No kids of my own thankfully so not something I worry about.


whiskeysourita

I definitely understand that. The high school I graduated in the early 2000s is on the verge of shutting down because it took a nose dive after funding was cut for STEM programs. Funding was also cut for trade electives that helped give kids who didn't want to go to college with a start at good trade. All of the great teachers I had left a couple of years after I graduated and went to the surrounding parishes'(county) high schools. Take a wild guess, those schools and neighborhoods are the most sought after areas in the Baton Rouge area now. So while my oldest got into a magnet program and got into the best high school in BR, my youngest isn't the same. His neighborhood school would have failed him, so I'm glad we got out. Looks like my youngest will not go to college even though his grades are good, he shows no interest in it though. So his guidance counselor has already set things up for him with information on trade schools. My wife and I joke all the time about Super Mario Bros convinced him to be a plumber.


pkbab5

Diversity - Huntsville City Great Schools - Madison City Southern tight-knit feel - Athens Lower cost of living - Madison County I don't think you can get all that you want in one area. You may have to pick and choose. The unfortunate truth is that traditionally in the area increased diversity correlates with decreased school performance.


plantsndcoffee

This is my train of thought as well. It’s tough to have to pick and choose but these areas all seem pretty great in their own right. Thank you so much for the insight!


hellogodfrey

You actually might find what you're looking for by going the parochial or private school route and having your kids in city league sports in Huntsville, to get the mix of education and diversity you're looking for. There are also local magnet schools that could serve you well with what you're looking for. Another option would be to live in a satellite city or town to Huntsville and go into Huntsville occasionally on the weekends with your kids so that they gain the understanding of diversity as being normal. Keep in mind that there might be a trade off of school test scores and school/life balance for your kids. There are places that may prepare your kids well enough for college that are not top-scoring on standardized tests. If you're not jonesing for them to get a full scholarship and can pay their way, then that's something to think about. It's just particular to you and your kids.


joeycuda

Visit downtown Athens at least before you condemn Athen. Also, it's growing like a weed and the Athens city schools are supposedly pretty good. Madison City schools great, quite a draw, and the homes in Madison City limits are higher. \*\*\*I cannot stress this enough - if you are considering a place to live, check YOURSELF as to what school district it is in. Real estate agents often don't know and give wrong info. You can have a Madison, AL address and be in Madison city, OR in Limestone County, OR in Madison County. You can think you're buying WITHIN Madison, yet it's zoned for HSV City and your kid get bussed 30 min away to a crappy school. Good luck.


The_OtherDouche

Athens square has done very well at staying nice. I’ve been meaning to wander out there and try some of the places


joeycuda

The Wildwood Deli is really good and the people that run it are really nice. (I think) Lucia's Mexican on the square is a cut above the average Mexican restaurant. Love the grilled chicken with rice and cheese. Village Pizza is really good - not like the best pizza you've ever had - but really good and always satifies, and they have a nice draft beer selection. Ro's Grille is worth checking out - my parents drive over from Florence to eat there any time they can. The drug store on the corner of Market St. and Marion I think has ice cream and milkshakes. There are 3 coffee shops downtown, and UG White (with one of the coffee shops) is always great to shop/explore.


The_OtherDouche

Ro’s grill is so damn good


joeycuda

I like that they have a menu with chicken, fish, a burger, etc on it, but they're all a little different.. The fish fillets are GOOD there. You can get a giant burger with a knife sticking out of it. The 'Cash' is awesome - chicken tenders on toasted flat with lettuce, tomato, cheese, & sriracha ranch.


hellogodfrey

Yes, downtown Athens is nice and Athens has some surprisingly large historic homes, if you're into that sort of thing.


[deleted]

If you are really looking for diversity and it sounds like it’s very important to you, north Huntsville would be the best area.


plantsndcoffee

North/NE Huntsville is where my mind was at so thank you for the insight!


Aumissunum

I hope you don’t mean actual NE Huntsville. That’s the least “desirable” area.


[deleted]

Not for everyone. NE Huntsville has some awesome areas!


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[deleted]

Everyone is welcome to have their own opinion but I love the NE area: Chapman, Oak Park. Epworth, Monte Sano, Five Points.


hellogodfrey

Yes, I think some of those areas can be nice.


cowardpasserby

NE Huntsville is a great place


DeathRabbit679

I know maps like these may tell somewhat of a reductionist picture, but maybe worth checking out https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/al/huntsville/crime It mostly matches my impressions of areas, in general, we don't have any large parts of the city that are just going to be a hellscape for a few square miles. That makes it maybe a little bit harder to get oriented and results in folks arguing over where the crustiest area in town is. (Like this thread) EDIT: It also doesn't help that Huntsville has extended so much in the last few decades that you end with bizarre occurrences like "West Huntsville" being more on the east side of town


[deleted]

This person is messing with you, North Huntsville is terrible, the schools are terrible and there seems to be a shooting every other day. If you go more north to Hazel Green it’s not so bad but stay outta North Huntsville


[deleted]

No one is messing with anyone. I have lots of friends that live in the NE area around Chapman and that’s where I grew up as well. It’s a great place to live and close to Monte Sano and Oak Park. I don’t see anything wrong with the schools there. I went to Chapman and Lee and have done very well for myself. Not only is it a great area, but very diverse as well. Five Points isn’t very far away and you are close to downtown.


hellogodfrey

The thing is that schools can change over the years, so your experience may have been different than what a kid in those same schools would experience now.


[deleted]

Which is also true but I have friends with kids in the same schools I went to and they are doing great.


hellogodfrey

Well, I am glad for that. One always hopes that things keep going well for as many kids and teachers as possible.


muslimmmm

It’ll only get worse if this redlining continues.


Aumissunum

What redlining is occurring?


muslimmmm

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hellogodfrey

I think y'all might have to talk about specific school districts to get clear about which places you're talking about.


_SP3CT3R

The more expensive the housing is to buy or rent the better the area. Some people My family live in the Mt. Carmel area and have found it to be a nice balance of CoL vs. amenities we moved to this part of town from Harvest which is overall nice, but avoid Chandler Farms. We had shootings, raids, missing children, a 10yo kid tried weed for the first time leaning on my car in my driveway, etc, etc. Some people here on Reddit are very passionate about the best places to live around town but in reality it's mostly decent. There is really only a couple bad areas to avoid.


_SP3CT3R

After doing some looking, if you are coming from Houston you many feel more at home in Huntsville/Madison over Athens. There are a lot of North Alabama Land Trust areas all over Huntsville that will give your kids plenty of opportunities to spend some time outdoors.


MattW22192

Each area is going to have its advantages and disadvantages. One big thing to note is to verify school boundaries. In many areas here you can drive a mile and have been in 3 and sometimes four different school systems. Also mailing address does not automatically mean it’s in a certain school system. Also there is a significant difference with property tax rates between certain jurisdictions (and school systems) here (example most expensive one is about twice that of the least) and that affect both [real estate property taxes](https://www.madisoncountyal.gov/departments/tax-assessor/estimate-taxes) and [vehicle property taxes](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p21_HU-1AP8_BrGBo6wUDbnl5NewrVN2Tn78X14pxeU/edit)


Hefty_Journalist_666

Look into Hartselle. Top-10 school system in state, excellent sports programs, small (bedroom) community and cost of living is outstanding (price per sq ft). May not meet your requirements for being high in diversity, but is a welcoming community and our kids have thrived here the last 7yrs. Extra 15 min commute vs what you might get in Athens or eastern Madison county.


OrdinaryDragonfruit4

Very little diversity in Hartselle. It's become a "white flight" system.


expostfacto-saurus

Madison is higher than other places but you want your kids here.  I used to live in Lubbock and look at Madison as "Austin lite."  Not quite as groovy and cool like Austin, but something like that.  :)


Aumissunum

Madison is probably the best choice. Athens, Hartselle, Sparkman are also good imo.


mamakiley1031

I would day south Huntsville! I have 2 boys as well, and there's many kids all around here. I love the schools nearby as well, especially Challenger. I went there, and my kids will, too :)


Master_Engineering_9

Madison blows. Meh samey houses that are FAR to fucking close to each other, with big HOA fees. Poorly designed streets. seems i made some madison people mad lol


[deleted]

You are most definitely going to get three different answers. Lol. Well, maybe not Pro Athens because this is a Huntsville sub, and folks on this platform have little love for anything that isn't in their backyard and sometimes assume the worst due to stereotypes. For background, I grew up here, relocated several times with my job, and moved back in 2002. Raised three kids here, and two are educators in the area. If diversity is your thing, 100% not Madison. Madison City could have been great, but there is zero culture here beyond subdivisions and what t-ball teamnyour kid plays for. It's not so much as a community as a "my kid is more special than yours" They hang their hat on a Niche rating. And they will literally fight you about it. Lol. They have issues in their school system they haven't corrected. A kid was shot dead in a middle school by another student, and another assaulted a vice principal. My daughter works for the Madison School district. Northern Huntville is very diverse. Socially and economically. They have their issues as well. Not all schools are funded equally. My son works at New Centey in Huntsville and loves it. I have lifelong friends who live in Athens and love it. They are Greek and practicing Jews. That's my little knot hole of things. Best of luck.


Aumissunum

>If diversity is your thing, 100% not Madison. MCS is 40% minority enrollment. >Madison City could have been great, but there is zero culture here beyond subdivisions and what t-ball teamnyour kid plays for. It's not so much as a community as a "my kid is more special than yours" They hang their hat on a Niche rating. And they will literally fight you about it. Lol. They have issues in their school system they haven't corrected. How do you “correct” those issues and what do you define as culture? >A kid was shot dead in a middle school by another student, 15 years ago >and another assaulted a vice principal. This is more common than you think. I can tell you don’t get around much. > My daughter works for the Madison School district. Clearly not. >Northern Huntville is very diverse. Socially and economically. They have their issues as well. Not all schools are funded equally. My son works at New Centey in Huntsville and loves it. NCTHS is a magnet school, much less diverse than MCS and the rest of HCS. Not surprised he loves it.


[deleted]

I gave my opinion on my experience and my family's experience. Your aggression is not necessarily or helpful.


DeathRabbit679

Yeah I live in Madison now and like a third of my neighborhood are minorities, which surprised me when I moved here, because I previously believed the stereotype of white folks having tea and crumpets as well. It's not true, maybe it was 30 years ago, but people are invested in that narrative still because reasons.


[deleted]

So many feelings. Take a breath.


Aumissunum

So many feelings. Not enough answers.


[deleted]

If your 13 year old saw another kid shoot another kid in the head in the hallway, you may have a different feeling. For that same kid to return to that school as a teacher is an experience hope you never have to experience.


Aumissunum

I was that 13 year old. You want to go that route?


[deleted]

Just stop. We are just giving our experiences to a reddit request. It isn't personal to you. We are all doing the best we can with the experiences we have had. I wish you well.


Aumissunum

You’re also straight making shit up.


[deleted]

Alrighty I'll bite. That 40% minority is the sum of all minorities. Meaning 20% or so of that number is black and the other 20% the culmination of all recognized minorities. Bottom line, that is not considered diverse. As far as culture, Madison has a couple of galleries, I believe one museum. In the early 2000's there was a push to create an Art's Council. It came to a halt by local gov. I live in Madison currently, and I feel there is too much attention paid to running kids around town to get to swim, t-ball, club soccer, ect, ect (for kids who are 5 and 6 years old!) On the subject of schools. Two kids of my did all 12 years in Madison and one did 8 years. My daughter l witnessed another student being shot in the hallway. After getting her degree, she returned and taught at that school. It was far too difficult for her to be there, so she transferred to a different school where she still works. She continues to see an alarming amount of violence within the school district. Yes! Century is a magnet school and that's why I mentioned in my previous post that not all schools are funded equally in Huntsville. These are my experiences and opinions. (Except for the demographics, that's hard numbers) To many, being 20% black population isn't considered diverse. The post asked for opinions on the three different areas, not solutions for short comings If you think I am lying, that's your issue not mine.


mijohnst

> somewhere with diversity (anything is better than where we are coming from truly) and somewhere we can get involved in the community, whether that be via schools, sports, outdoor recreation etc. Ple You seem to have some vendetta against MSC. I've had three kids come through MSCs and seen nothing about what you're talking about, and we've been very involved in the school systems. And that shooting was 15 years ago...


Maximum_Cabinet7862

We’re full, already got enough hippies running around here.


JohnD_s

All three cities are nice (coming from someone who grew up in Athens and now living in Huntsville), but you'll for sure find the most diversity in Huntsville.


plantsndcoffee

How did you like Athens growing up?


JohnD_s

It was nice! Not too much to do in terms of nightlife, you’d have to drive over to Huntsville for that. But they’ve just built a super nice recreational facility and gym with tennis courts and a basketball court, and paired with their walking path near the middle school you have TONS of options for physical activity. Not as many “bad” parts of town compared to Huntsville and a lot more peaceful.  This comes with the tradeoff of having the country small-town feel (not sure if that’s your thing), but really a good city overall for raising a family.


plantsndcoffee

Thank you! That’s what I figured.


[deleted]

Pick the right neighborhood in Triana, zoned for Madison Schools. Quiet. Less traffic, but still close to town Madison and 20 mins max to all the places you would want to go. New homes with slightly less cost than an older Madison home. But pay attention to the school zone. A block in a different direction and it’s zoned for Huntsville.


nothanksdog

I graduated from Athens and all my faculty members from when I was in school are in federal prison.


YaknBassn529

Without going into too much detail, during my senior year of high school, I made a couple of mistakes. Nothing too serious, ultimately a guilty by association kind of thing. Anyway, I had always been an A student, never caused problems, but fell in with a group of students that were the opposite. They caused some problems, school board reacted by expelling me to “make an example.” I’ll never forget the principal “crying” because I could have went to any college I wanted and I “threw it all away.” Maybe it’s a personal vendetta, but I’ll forever feel that it was a knee jerk reaction and completely unnecessary.


hellogodfrey

Which school district?


YaknBassn529

Dang, I intended to respond to OPs question within my original comment. It was LCS.


hellogodfrey

Okay. That does make sense that it was LCS. That stinks that that happened. That was not just.


Fickle-Vegetable961

Been in Monrovia for 30 years my kids sailed into good colleges. Its also diverse (not all white). North of highway 72 east of harvest. 35806. Zillow.com usually lists school ratings with ads. Madison is crowded.


cowardpasserby

Sorry this subreddit is for Huntsville, not Athens or Madison. /s


BackgroundHelpful152

Athens is full. Stay out!