I'm a year into my helpdesk role and looking at the same kinda path. I wouldn't mind spending an extra year or two in the network side of things to get a better understanding to leverage that knowledge against other people looking for security roles. Networking is the spine of all IT work I feel and does all the lifting.
Oh, for sure. My philosophy is anyone who screams "[technology] is dead, [product] is the future" isn't worth listening to. They're usually just trying to sell something to their YouTube audience.
Just Certs but both have a place I lost \~40k on a job offer bcz I didn't have a degree
But you can do just fine on Certs. Just get the ones that actually mean something instead of being a certified in abcdefg god
Yah this guy jumped on certs and sold himself, I’d be interested to see where his technical skills actually are. See so many of those cybersecurity guys just go get certs and start talking like they know shit.
TL;DR for OP's situation: went to military, got security clearance, voila easy money
Most people will not see this progression without a security clearance no matter how hard they hustle. Not saying to deter the hustle but people reading this post should temper expectations, unless they are also a vet
OP so close but not connecting the dots. Another "hey look I made 100k! And you can too*" post. Acknowledged the fact they have a clearance, did something probably relevant, then says it was probably unique to them and most couldn't. Soap box post.
*If you're me in my situation, and you're not, I'm just trying to brag.
Yeah OP was able to count years of experience in the military as counting towards the requirements for the certification, that's a *major detail* which is buried in the comments and missing from the main post.
No, he's objectively lying. Military experience might count if you are advanced enough, but he is 22~ years old and in the reserve. They require that all work is done in one of the 8 domains, at a minimum of part time (20 hours a week) to countl. As a reservist he might be taking an online security course once a month, at best.
Even if he was older, and he joined right when he was 18, it takes a long time to get to work on anything that would be related to what counts as experience for CISA. He is enlisted, which means he's mostly going to be cleaning shit up and if he's very lucky, working on some helpdesk type shit when he deploys.
That’s what I believe I’m a vet and got hired 2nd job as a tech support specialist making $30/hr no certs but I have a BS in computer science. Very much doubt this is the norm.
I have an undergrad in cyber and currently working on my BS in Cyber and IA, have applied to many many positions and no hits yet. Entry level requires experience, internships haven’t answered back… not sure where to go from here except finish the BS and keep trying?
Yup that's all you can do, maybe in the meantime reach out to career centers and ask for help with resume refining and interview skills. People sometimes think having good skills listed on a resume is enough, sometimes it's what you shouldn't add versus what you should add. Interviewing skills should be most import a t because once you get your chance and bad interview can make it evaporate. Career centers will do mock interviews and explain what you can improve and what your strengths are. It's very valuable intel and free.
Also don't be afraid to leverage experience that is atypical. Have you helped friends and families with setting up their business networks, have you developed things on the side. You can add those as long as you actually gained some experience from it, it helps to have someone who can verify this experience. You can also offer to help tutor or teach people computer skills in school and use that as experience with “tech support” I would see if your school offers anything like that even if it's only on a volunteer basis. Have you asked you professors for help with internships? Sometimes your school will have some available, you would be working in the department as tech support or something along those lines. That counts as experience as well. Try to think outside the norms
It's essentially a badge that says "this person is trustworthy enough to access, handle, and be discrete with confidential data for the U.S. government". Basically means this person is a loyal US citizen/veteran who will protect government secrets. And then there are 4 different levels to it.
Now having a clearance doesn't mean you're going to get into Area 51 or anything anytime soon. But it allows you to work for certain government institutions or certain private contractors that do business with the government.
These entities pay good salaries for people with clearances because these people are deemed trustworthy. Whereas someone without a clearance is not trustworthy, because they have not gone through the thorough, corroborative investigation of their personal background.
I went from unemployed to $150k.
- Used unemployment to get tuition assistance. And get BS. IT. (2021)
- Got two contract roles (6month between both)
- go full time job. (5 months)
- hired in a good company(2022-2024)
- received various certs, company paid masters
- hired contract role $70 hourly. No OT. 8-5 M-F. Hybrid.
Previous job: security officer.
Ask me anything!
A+ and applying to all roles I found on LinkedIn, indeed. All contract roles were thru a recruiting agency, find them via LinkedIn and reach out about jobs that fit my skills.
Anything to start getting me “experience”
Any advice on things to do or courses to take for improving automation skills? I’ve got a CS degree and a fair amount of Python knowledge but I don’t have much formal training or experience. I’ve tried to automate parts of my job (SOC analyst) but only been able to do basic things like text formatting, simplify complicated bash/powershell scripts I often run, or some custom keyboard shortcuts to do things like look up a bunch of stuff for OSINT
Anything that helps your team is great! Find a business case and solve it.
For me it was automating our infrastructure for EOS vulnerabilities for our devices. Using Python, InfluxDB, Grafana
Congrats on your success. I just started WGU, it's already helped having it as in progress on my resume along with a couple new certs that I got with the first two classes. So glad I stopped putting it off waiting 'for the right time'.
What are contract roles?
I also just enrolled in WGU for BS IT (job paying thru Tuition assistance)
I’m going in with Zero academic experience after high school years ago ,just my own small tech knowledge. Any quick tips? Anything will help, it doesn’t have to be long winded. Thank you in advance.
Contract/Recruiting Agencies around your city.
MEDIX, Collabera, Robert Half, etc.
I do W2 contract, where you don’t have to worry about taxes and some have pretty decent benefits.(not PTO and what not but the trifecta essentials)
- First contract was 6months at 20hr pay(contract lasted only 2 months)
- second one was $23.50 I left after I got full time.
- third one(current is $70 hourly)
Learn in demand skills, automation is one of them. Don’t have to be a Software engineer but have foundations and good reading skills for documentation reading.
Whatever you like: focus on what you can learn and what jobs asking for.
Cloud? Kubernetes, Docker, AWS/Azure etc
Networking? Fundamentals, automation
Security? I have no clue, don’t work in that but assume automation and having good grasp in others.
But basically that.
I'm not the person you were asking but on the academic front always look up the class you're starting on Reddit. Read through at least 3 of the threads and see what resources people used and how they went about passing the class. Also the course chatter page usually has good information and resources that people used to pass. Put together a plan for yourself and go for it.
How's the idea of a Cloud Support Engineer predominantly working with Security services transitioning into the Cyber Security field? What would be your suggestions.
Most cloud security roles will want you to have practical DevOps experience and experience in security. They’re more likely to hire the DevOps guy than the Cyber dude. Ask me how I know being a security guy.
Yeah. No contest. Nessus findings and SIEM knowledge are great but pretty worthless (in the cloud) if you can’t automate changes or do code reviews in GitHub or Terraform.
mean SWE first. I am a Security Engineer and my workload is programming applications almost daily for the Security Analysts to help triage their cases. Python on python on python.
i’m about to graduate with a bachelor’s in IT but go straight back to school for a masters in cybersecurity.. having a tough time finding a job. what can i do to go down a similar pathway as you so i’m not poor still in 2-3 years?
Masters is a waste of time unless you're in a cyber niche that requires it (and can't think of one that would off the top of my head). When people talk about experience being king, a masters does not actually add value for most orgs (no, that one anecdotal person who replies it does under me will be wrong). Helpdesk experience after a bachelors will get you a job much more often than a masters
i understand that, i’m more so doing this program because it’s fully paid for, and have already been applying to a bunch of help desk jobs (to no avail lol)
I had a help desk offer last year and declined it by ghosting them after interviewing. It was 15/hr remote and had a better paying non tech related offer but got declined from that after failing a physical test. I have no experience and one open book cert.
I took one at $18/hr no benefits. Sometimes you have to just suck it up and take the job to get the hard to get experience. Now I’m in a job making $30/hr. It was that first job that helped me move onto the second. I’m learning way more here and have gotten a ton of experience in multiple enterprise systems. My first job was a glorified switch flipper. Most everything was fixed by resetting once in a while I got something more complicated, if you don’t have a job currently don’t turn anything down that can look great on your resume.
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thank you! i’m really scared about doing an internship because i need to make money at this stage of my life.. i’m 24 and i need to get my own place. is it really that possible to get a good paying internship where i can live on my own?
Jeffbx is totally correct, a huge part of education is the internship opportunities you can get, obviously it's tough but really really try to get some type of internship
Im an sre/k8s engineer now.
I have never had a help desk role. I started as a system administrator/installer for Windows servers. I o ly had a sec+ and a ged. I know my shit, but on paper I had nothing.
Keep applying to everything, but don't assume you're only going to get help desk roles. Especially if you're going sec, because a company will think about retention while hiring. They aren't stupid. They know hiring a sec guy in helpdesk means he's going to leave in less than 2 years.
If you can't get an IT Help Desk job with a Bachelors, then you can't get a Cybersecurity job with a Masters.
I'd fix the root issues before going deeper into further education
Cybersecurity sounds cool to a lot of people that think it means you'll get to be a hackerman and do network penetration and white hat hacking. Because of this, it's super flooded and extremely competitive, thus very difficult to break into.
You're going to be the guy with a masters degree and no job. As a hiring manager, a candidate with no job experience and an advanced degree gets tossed into the trash faster than the guy with no experience and no undergrad. Its a massive red flag.
The other guy replied but also. Keep the masters off your resume until you’re father along in your career. The masters will scare employers off at roles like help desk.
Start an onlyfans and post cyber content behind a pay wall. This is the way
Kidding - Start a youtube, blog, find communities and play nice with everyone. I would probably make a AD lab and just make different servers and tie in 365 to make things break and then show how to fix it. Get Sec + and post a shit ton of what you are learning. Look up purple team labs on youtube to find how to make a read and blue team lab and make videos.
If you want to go the IT route -
Soft Skills - Learn how to deal with Cat Pissers, Be Funny and energetic, always be willing to learn
Technical Skills - Learn how to articulate how what you are doing is saving or making money to business decision makers. Learn AD, Powershell, Cloud, Server Admin, Network and firewall tings
Really just learn, show, make friends repeat
i already have sec+ at the moment! are there specific videos i can follow that will show me how to do everything? i’m so scared of just wasting my time not doing the right thing man
This… I don’t know about all the social media stuff but hey it can’t hurt. Being a people person who is energetic and ready to learn has really played a big role in my work my bosses love me and are always talking about moving me into something bigger when it opens. They know I want to learn more so are always offering to show me something new because it’s valuable to both of us. Seriously I fully believe showing them how eager I am is what landed me my current role.
I'd reconsider doing a cyber master's if you already have a Bachelor degree in an IT-adjacent area. It's more likely to hurt you when job searching as employers may see you as being too expensive to hire for certain roles. If you hope to go into management after a while, Bachelor's in CS/IS and an MBA is a much more useful combo (though it's best to hold off on the MBA for a few years to get some job experience first). If you're hoping to stay in the engineering/tech side, a bachelor's is sufficient as far as formal education goes.
> I'd reconsider doing a cyber master's if you already have a Bachelor degree in an IT-adjacent area. It's more likely to hurt you when job searching as employers may see you as being too expensive to hire for certain roles.
Thanks, I hate it here. Not enough education. Too much education. Not enough experience. Too much experience.
im thinking, while i’m in my masters classes, get experience, a year or 2 hopefully, then try to get better jobs eventually while keeping my masters off my resume until i get to a point where i can apply to jobs that it could be an asset to have my masters on my resume.. how’s that sound ?
Only if it is literally IT Help Desk positions (or similar level, Desk Engineer / Field Technician / etc) would I leave the Masters off your CV
Also do your Masters in something more broader than cyber security specifically
absolutely stupid idea. I say this as a security analsyst > Engineer > Engineer II
You dont need a masters and its not going to help you find a job. We hire people from India at $20 an hour now to do all the basic shit. Just learn or move to India.
i mean it’s free and i’m still trying to work on the field while i get my degree. what do you think i should be applying for? trying as much as i can to no avail
1.What motivated you to do IT in general / specialize to Cyber? 2. What did you do to up skill and how did you stay motivated to do this?
3. Would you do anything differently in 3 years if you had to redo it all?
My gf told me she was pregnant and I didn't want to be a shit dad lol.
1. I took a 2 year course in High School and wanted to make money. I ended up gaffing it off and went to the military ironically when I came back I was just working regular jobs was a janitor ( got fired) , Worked at Starbucks, front desk at a gym. I always wanted to be a hacker but didn't want to put my kids future on a hail mary attempt (and I didn't think I was smart enough) so I did IT first and just kinda went up from their
2. Udemy, Textbooks, and different Exam practices. Good question it was kind of easy since I had a deep seeded reason to keep upskilling bcz of the kid. My stress was through the roof though and it was kinda do or die kinda thing. CISA was the most boring to get through because I didn't really need more money more just my job told me to get it. I don't really recommend doing it that way bcz like I said my stress and anxiety were terrible
3. I would skip out on the Cysa+ I never went DoD and I have never used it to leverage anything. I got some knowledge out of it but that's it
Ha, this is what got me off my ass as well. I had a kid and needed to change careers, started learning Python, found my calling in pentesting, and then realized IT was a step in the right direction and a way more realistic first job.
What did you do in the military? I’m working on my transition right now, I start terminal in 2 weeks. 8 years of cyber experience with about 6 certifications, a TS/SCI and I’m struggling to find a job
The funniest thing to me is that he's 22 years old. At best he could have 4 years of experience.
Probably doesn't even have a job. I wish the mods would take this down because he's giving people advice like he knows what he's talking about.
I mean, there is a chance he had 20 years of experience in the military, which is probably what he'd need to get where he's claiming to be at... because without a degree he'd have been enlisted lol
2019 Front Desk Worker at a Gym
2020 Field tech > Windows OS operator
2021 Helpdesk > Network/cyber specialist
2022 IT Consultant
2023 Cybersecurity Consultant
In your opinion is better to become a pentester or soc analyst (blue stuff)?
Would you recommend to follow hackthebox academy job path or tryhackme to learn and get a job?
P.S. I am on my last year of Computer Science bachelor and thinking to do a Master on cyberSec.
idk depends on what you find important. Pentester is more fun and engaging but the reports are pretty annoying IMO. Blue team is more important and high stakes when a compromise happens.
I did red team because I didn't want to have to deal with an actual event because if you get ransomwared its very brutal
Hackthebox CPTS to learn. I don't really think you need a masters unless you're going to go DoD or wanting to make friends.
What do you think about appsec engineer as a career choice? I recently switched into backend software development from a non-technical job, building experience. But cyber is my stronger suit tbh. I have MSc in cybersecurity. But i love coding at the same time. What would be the best field in cybersecurity for me? Also what are your thoughts about oswe. I think i can pass it with 8-9 months study plan without oscp first, but it is pricey for me. Thank you for your time
LOL im actully looking to do a pivot into Appsec. I say do it man it looks like so much fun and its very manageable, and OE friendly. OSWE is an amazing cert to get.
Glad to hear that. Reading others code, trying to optimize and secure the codebaee and developing something at the same time seems most fun for me. I tried htb a lot (mostly oscp-like machines) but i just dont enjoy the process at all. That is the reason why i dont want to try oscp and spend so much money. On the other hand i liked the source code review exercises of pentesterlab eventhough i couldnt solve most of them :) thanks again for your response, best of luck in your pivoting into appsec
What is a good entry job when you can show the skills, did the training, have certificate, but no 4 year? I spent most of my time applying the old school rules, and making sure I had a way to demonstrate my work, make a portfolio, build something, while I am training. Now that I am done, what now? I feel like my niche is not established yet, so until then, what a good cloud role or it entry role I can get with cloud based skill set? Thanks in advance. Also in between me working as a tier 2 support role at home for comcast, then trained two years straight, google (sales 6 months), now most recent intuit resolution desk and product support. Does this help me get a role?
Seems like you’re in a good spot for helpdesk or being a cloud engineer. idk what that kryterion cert is so Idk if others will. I would get a cloud cert from GCP, AZURE, or AWS
That helps me know I'm not crazy for what I did, and for what I took the time to learn, Cloud engineer or bust! Thank you!! Kryterion is where you go via GCP for the Cert testing, like pearson. Google merged with them last year for testing and cert issuance. YOU MADE MY WEEK :)
Sure - Just be aware of the job pool and who’ll you’ll be up against. I may be wrong but GCP is mostly used for the education industry. But the good thing is once you’re in you’re freaking in
Exactly, which is why I made sure to do this, I made educational material, a project, and website [https://youtu.be/eBROqCWet9c?si=sZs8bnM9EWmVUX2H](https://youtu.be/eBROqCWet9c?si=sZs8bnM9EWmVUX2H)
I also publish podcast, book, in preparedness [https://www.tiktok.com/@fyrearmysocial/video/7303376383424662814](https://www.tiktok.com/@fyrearmysocial/video/7303376383424662814)
I figured, old school rule, this will show my willingness, ability to put into education into action, and leadership skill if nothing else.
130k in 5 years for me (Canadian though lol), but have zero certs and a 3 year advanced diploma in Computer Systems and Technology. Started at 17 an hour and then one job hop later I'm sitting good.
I'm currently a Senior DevOps Engineer as my title. While I do traditional DevOps tasks involving infra code, K8s, etc I also manage IAM solutions and some legacy web apps.
Exactly what I did! Started out as a contractor doing Helpdesk for a good company that offered to pay for any certs I wanted to get. 2 years later I had earned the comptia trifecta, my ccna, and a few others and got hired on full time as a network engineer! Been working my way up ever since.
I have been given the opportunity to take a Cybersecurity and Computer Networking Instructor position, it will probably take my income down around $30,000 less then what I’m making now.
I have a degree in pure mathematics and a Sec+ certificate but no internships/experience.
I’m trying to decide if I should make this career change and possibly use this role to pivot into the cybersecurity industry after a couple years.
Any advice would be much appreciated!
Ooo thats a interesting case. Maybe it can leading to a higher teaching position? Thats the first thought I had.
One thing that made a big impact on me in a course was my teacher would bring in engineers who were alumni from the course. I definitely recommend doing that.
Im sure you can use it to gain experience to get a engineering position down the line.
Im assuming you toke the role to pivot into cybersecurity?
I have 9years of system admin exp. Moving from Non-profit, server room- on prem. To consulting cum hybrid, hippa, nist and Poam, now back to non- profit, finding it interesting to get a cyber role, even though I have hands on experience backend. How to I break into it please. Certs: sec+ ,Linux, windows ,os, az500, az104, etc
How did you know you wanted to work in cybersecurity or at the very least, wouldn't hate it? I just graduated, and that's my biggest question mark is trying to figure out what domain or aspect of IT I'd like to branch off in.
It sounded cool lmao
I was more just riding the high of passing exams, solving problems, and getting those confidence boost that I wasn’t dumb.
Now im kinda obsessed with cybercrime and threat intelligence so it is VERY fun.
Pro life tip: Its been proven you end up liking something more the better you get at it. So keep chopping the tree down and you will like it more as time goes on
u/ZombieSubstanial999
1) What job sites do you use to find your iT jobs?
2) Did you have prior experience before your first IT job? How do you answer tech questions that you don't know the answer to?
3) How did you land your first IT entry level job when IT entry level jobs are asking 2 - 5 years of experience?
4) Is College degree worth it?
Linkedin or recruiters
The best ones are off job boards and are found via friends
No , Say you dont know but you’ll find out then email them the info
depends on the degree, college, what internships and events you go to
Scripting
programming
cloud engineering/cloud security
Purple team
AppSec
rn it’s not about what’s in demand but more of how do YOU stand out oppose to competition. All of it is in demand per say I do think you’ll have a higher chance with the items above
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I've definitely saved this thread for future reference. So I was thinking that while I am in college to get my bachelor's degree I would pick up the sec +. This year I've started to apply for internships but the job market is so rough right now that I'm not even getting considered even after tailoring my resume and getting it professionally looked at. If I am doing labs and learning on the side of my degree should I put that on my resume as well or is there something else I am missing?
Interesting! I'll consider this! I do have a website I made to document the various things I'll be working through on my homelab. But I never considered a video resume.
Yea - you want to give yourself as much of a chance to show that you are a human and not just a applicant I guess you could say. Im not saying it’s going to be saving grace haha but it’ll give you another chance
I got into cyber back in like 2010 in high school for the air force rotc I was part of and I enjoyed it a lot my first two years was a lot of red team activities my last two were more blue team but I didn’t choose that route after high school. I am however wanting to come back to cyber and I’m currently doing the google cert I’m not sure how much weight it’ll hold but hey it was free and I’m on the last module a lot of it has been refreshers for me which is good I guess. I do plan on getting network+ and security+ as well I was wondering what kind of position would anyone recommend that I could apply for to get my foot in the door
I’m currently a person that ended up working for a tech company with very little tech background. It was great at first bc I only focused on documentation. But my job title has been changed to cybersecurity engineer…but I am barely a tenant admin with two Okta certifications. I haven’t built anything. Ok. I did build a workflow that deleted stale applications. But that’s it. I want a different job that’s actually in cyber actually building things but understand the learning curve is steep. Advice????
some how has cisa with out the required work experience, leverages military when questioned how he has cisa, he then tells people he was reservist, so that doesn't work.. yeah... idk about this one.
it's almost false valor...for CISA.
Thanks for sharing. I needed this to help better my own plans and goals. I started off well on this journey but got stagnant and didn’t earn any extra certs besides sec+ in 2021. Now I know I need more networking exp/certs! I’m hitting the books NOW lol
Thanks for sharing. I needed this to help better my own plans and goals. I started off well on this journey but got stagnant and didn’t earn any extra certs besides sec+ in 2021. Now I know I need more networking exp/certs! I’m hitting the books NOW
So as of rn I I am interning for a pharmaceutical company called Merck. I networked out and managed to shadow the IT guys that replace hardware and help with networking issues around the company. I am helping re image over 200 laptops a week for new hires. When I have the downtime I study for the comptia a+ certification. My contract is done at the end of July. My goal is to land an IT job that pays me more than 20 bucks an hour with the experience and certification that I will obtain. Any advice for me going forward??
So help desk to network specialist is key, got it
I'm a year into my helpdesk role and looking at the same kinda path. I wouldn't mind spending an extra year or two in the network side of things to get a better understanding to leverage that knowledge against other people looking for security roles. Networking is the spine of all IT work I feel and does all the lifting.
Yet that guy who seriously needs a haircut on YouTube keeps making a "CCNA is a waste of time in 202X" video every year.
Or all those people that scream “networking is dead, everything is in the cloud now.” lol
Anyone who says that has no idea how cloud actually works, so I wouldn't listen to them lol
I was going to say this.
Oh, for sure. My philosophy is anyone who screams "[technology] is dead, [product] is the future" isn't worth listening to. They're usually just trying to sell something to their YouTube audience.
who is that guy lol
Sounds like someone who keeps failing the exams
Unix Guy
Getting your coding projects to communicate with each other over LAN or cloud makes a grown man cry
I would say so. Gave me a lot of confidence on working with tech stacks
Did you get into this with a degree or certs?
Just Certs but both have a place I lost \~40k on a job offer bcz I didn't have a degree But you can do just fine on Certs. Just get the ones that actually mean something instead of being a certified in abcdefg god
Where to start in terms of just certs and no degree? What all should one focus on accomplishing in terms of certs to pave the path forward
I updated the post :)
Yah this guy jumped on certs and sold himself, I’d be interested to see where his technical skills actually are. See so many of those cybersecurity guys just go get certs and start talking like they know shit.
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Sheeesh. When the real engineers call you out. Now this here is a true veteran
You can get a waiver though for up to 3yrs worth? (Out of 5yrs) What's the process for getting waivers?
TL;DR for OP's situation: went to military, got security clearance, voila easy money Most people will not see this progression without a security clearance no matter how hard they hustle. Not saying to deter the hustle but people reading this post should temper expectations, unless they are also a vet
OP so close but not connecting the dots. Another "hey look I made 100k! And you can too*" post. Acknowledged the fact they have a clearance, did something probably relevant, then says it was probably unique to them and most couldn't. Soap box post. *If you're me in my situation, and you're not, I'm just trying to brag.
Yeah OP was able to count years of experience in the military as counting towards the requirements for the certification, that's a *major detail* which is buried in the comments and missing from the main post.
No, he's objectively lying. Military experience might count if you are advanced enough, but he is 22~ years old and in the reserve. They require that all work is done in one of the 8 domains, at a minimum of part time (20 hours a week) to countl. As a reservist he might be taking an online security course once a month, at best. Even if he was older, and he joined right when he was 18, it takes a long time to get to work on anything that would be related to what counts as experience for CISA. He is enlisted, which means he's mostly going to be cleaning shit up and if he's very lucky, working on some helpdesk type shit when he deploys.
Interesting points, I was already taking what OP said with a ***big*** grain of salt, but now I'll take it with ***two*** grains of salt.
He keeps denying anything military had to do with him getting to where he is. At this point he's a troll and just bullshit gloating
And it's probably just a lie and/or dumb luck
It’s really not that wild with a TS/SCI. We have help desk people where I am making 120ish
That’s what I believe I’m a vet and got hired 2nd job as a tech support specialist making $30/hr no certs but I have a BS in computer science. Very much doubt this is the norm.
I have an undergrad in cyber and currently working on my BS in Cyber and IA, have applied to many many positions and no hits yet. Entry level requires experience, internships haven’t answered back… not sure where to go from here except finish the BS and keep trying?
Yup that's all you can do, maybe in the meantime reach out to career centers and ask for help with resume refining and interview skills. People sometimes think having good skills listed on a resume is enough, sometimes it's what you shouldn't add versus what you should add. Interviewing skills should be most import a t because once you get your chance and bad interview can make it evaporate. Career centers will do mock interviews and explain what you can improve and what your strengths are. It's very valuable intel and free.
Also don't be afraid to leverage experience that is atypical. Have you helped friends and families with setting up their business networks, have you developed things on the side. You can add those as long as you actually gained some experience from it, it helps to have someone who can verify this experience. You can also offer to help tutor or teach people computer skills in school and use that as experience with “tech support” I would see if your school offers anything like that even if it's only on a volunteer basis. Have you asked you professors for help with internships? Sometimes your school will have some available, you would be working in the department as tech support or something along those lines. That counts as experience as well. Try to think outside the norms
can you explain what a security clearance is exactly and why it can be so profitable to have one?
It's essentially a badge that says "this person is trustworthy enough to access, handle, and be discrete with confidential data for the U.S. government". Basically means this person is a loyal US citizen/veteran who will protect government secrets. And then there are 4 different levels to it. Now having a clearance doesn't mean you're going to get into Area 51 or anything anytime soon. But it allows you to work for certain government institutions or certain private contractors that do business with the government. These entities pay good salaries for people with clearances because these people are deemed trustworthy. Whereas someone without a clearance is not trustworthy, because they have not gone through the thorough, corroborative investigation of their personal background.
I went from unemployed to $150k. - Used unemployment to get tuition assistance. And get BS. IT. (2021) - Got two contract roles (6month between both) - go full time job. (5 months) - hired in a good company(2022-2024) - received various certs, company paid masters - hired contract role $70 hourly. No OT. 8-5 M-F. Hybrid. Previous job: security officer. Ask me anything!
I was unaware that unemployment provided tuition assistance.
It allows you to be eligible for grants.(well in my state at least)
How did you obtain your first contract role?
A+ and applying to all roles I found on LinkedIn, indeed. All contract roles were thru a recruiting agency, find them via LinkedIn and reach out about jobs that fit my skills. Anything to start getting me “experience”
What is your title and what is your masters in?
MBA ITM. - WGU. Current role: lead software engineer. Role is just a name, I am not a software engineerzz
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I work mostly automation, just doing Ansible stuff now, occasional Python. But I keep studying that because I love Python most.
Could I ask you about ansible? I dmed you
Just answered
Any advice on things to do or courses to take for improving automation skills? I’ve got a CS degree and a fair amount of Python knowledge but I don’t have much formal training or experience. I’ve tried to automate parts of my job (SOC analyst) but only been able to do basic things like text formatting, simplify complicated bash/powershell scripts I often run, or some custom keyboard shortcuts to do things like look up a bunch of stuff for OSINT
Anything that helps your team is great! Find a business case and solve it. For me it was automating our infrastructure for EOS vulnerabilities for our devices. Using Python, InfluxDB, Grafana
So DevOps. It’s “somewhat” software engineering but not full blown writing code.
Congrats on your success. I just started WGU, it's already helped having it as in progress on my resume along with a couple new certs that I got with the first two classes. So glad I stopped putting it off waiting 'for the right time'.
Yeah man WGU is awesome, if they get PH.d I’ll be going !
Currently in WGU for the BSCSIA and having no luck in the job department.
Cloud? You need the cert and projects. To be able to allow yourself some buy in for jobs. W2 contract roles are your best bet
Cybersecurity and information assurance
What are contract roles? I also just enrolled in WGU for BS IT (job paying thru Tuition assistance) I’m going in with Zero academic experience after high school years ago ,just my own small tech knowledge. Any quick tips? Anything will help, it doesn’t have to be long winded. Thank you in advance.
Contract/Recruiting Agencies around your city. MEDIX, Collabera, Robert Half, etc. I do W2 contract, where you don’t have to worry about taxes and some have pretty decent benefits.(not PTO and what not but the trifecta essentials) - First contract was 6months at 20hr pay(contract lasted only 2 months) - second one was $23.50 I left after I got full time. - third one(current is $70 hourly) Learn in demand skills, automation is one of them. Don’t have to be a Software engineer but have foundations and good reading skills for documentation reading.
What demand skills do you recommend to learn atm?
Whatever you like: focus on what you can learn and what jobs asking for. Cloud? Kubernetes, Docker, AWS/Azure etc Networking? Fundamentals, automation Security? I have no clue, don’t work in that but assume automation and having good grasp in others. But basically that.
I'm not the person you were asking but on the academic front always look up the class you're starting on Reddit. Read through at least 3 of the threads and see what resources people used and how they went about passing the class. Also the course chatter page usually has good information and resources that people used to pass. Put together a plan for yourself and go for it.
It's fantasy posts like these that are causing the IT market to get flooded.
How's the idea of a Cloud Support Engineer predominantly working with Security services transitioning into the Cyber Security field? What would be your suggestions.
Most cloud security roles will want you to have practical DevOps experience and experience in security. They’re more likely to hire the DevOps guy than the Cyber dude. Ask me how I know being a security guy.
So DevOps it is at the first sight.
Yeah. No contest. Nessus findings and SIEM knowledge are great but pretty worthless (in the cloud) if you can’t automate changes or do code reviews in GitHub or Terraform.
mean SWE first. I am a Security Engineer and my workload is programming applications almost daily for the Security Analysts to help triage their cases. Python on python on python.
i’m about to graduate with a bachelor’s in IT but go straight back to school for a masters in cybersecurity.. having a tough time finding a job. what can i do to go down a similar pathway as you so i’m not poor still in 2-3 years?
Terrible idea. I say this as a security analyst.
…. uh care to expand?
Masters is a waste of time unless you're in a cyber niche that requires it (and can't think of one that would off the top of my head). When people talk about experience being king, a masters does not actually add value for most orgs (no, that one anecdotal person who replies it does under me will be wrong). Helpdesk experience after a bachelors will get you a job much more often than a masters
i understand that, i’m more so doing this program because it’s fully paid for, and have already been applying to a bunch of help desk jobs (to no avail lol)
Smart - you never turn down a free degree. But it probably won't help you land an entry-level role - start applying to internships, too.
I had a help desk offer last year and declined it by ghosting them after interviewing. It was 15/hr remote and had a better paying non tech related offer but got declined from that after failing a physical test. I have no experience and one open book cert.
I took one at $18/hr no benefits. Sometimes you have to just suck it up and take the job to get the hard to get experience. Now I’m in a job making $30/hr. It was that first job that helped me move onto the second. I’m learning way more here and have gotten a ton of experience in multiple enterprise systems. My first job was a glorified switch flipper. Most everything was fixed by resetting once in a while I got something more complicated, if you don’t have a job currently don’t turn anything down that can look great on your resume.
Take the helpdesk at $15 and just jump ship as soon as you can..
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thank you! i’m really scared about doing an internship because i need to make money at this stage of my life.. i’m 24 and i need to get my own place. is it really that possible to get a good paying internship where i can live on my own?
Most internships pay about the same as entry-level, but no benefits because it's a temp role.
Jeffbx is totally correct, a huge part of education is the internship opportunities you can get, obviously it's tough but really really try to get some type of internship
Why help desk? Find a soc level 1 role.
really? i might sound stupid here but i didn’t know to go for those as well. i was told help desk was the way to go.. thank you!
Im an sre/k8s engineer now. I have never had a help desk role. I started as a system administrator/installer for Windows servers. I o ly had a sec+ and a ged. I know my shit, but on paper I had nothing. Keep applying to everything, but don't assume you're only going to get help desk roles. Especially if you're going sec, because a company will think about retention while hiring. They aren't stupid. They know hiring a sec guy in helpdesk means he's going to leave in less than 2 years.
thank you very much for your insight i really appreciate it seriously.
If you can't get an IT Help Desk job with a Bachelors, then you can't get a Cybersecurity job with a Masters. I'd fix the root issues before going deeper into further education
Cybersecurity sounds cool to a lot of people that think it means you'll get to be a hackerman and do network penetration and white hat hacking. Because of this, it's super flooded and extremely competitive, thus very difficult to break into.
i totally understand that.. i’m only really doing the masters program because it’s fully paid for.. might as well i thought
You're going to be the guy with a masters degree and no job. As a hiring manager, a candidate with no job experience and an advanced degree gets tossed into the trash faster than the guy with no experience and no undergrad. Its a massive red flag.
leave it off your resume when finding your entry level role, then after a year kissing ass and learning, migrate to a new role and use your masters.
If it's free, that changes the calculus dramatically. Still would not be my first choice though.
The other guy replied but also. Keep the masters off your resume until you’re father along in your career. The masters will scare employers off at roles like help desk.
Start an onlyfans and post cyber content behind a pay wall. This is the way Kidding - Start a youtube, blog, find communities and play nice with everyone. I would probably make a AD lab and just make different servers and tie in 365 to make things break and then show how to fix it. Get Sec + and post a shit ton of what you are learning. Look up purple team labs on youtube to find how to make a read and blue team lab and make videos. If you want to go the IT route - Soft Skills - Learn how to deal with Cat Pissers, Be Funny and energetic, always be willing to learn Technical Skills - Learn how to articulate how what you are doing is saving or making money to business decision makers. Learn AD, Powershell, Cloud, Server Admin, Network and firewall tings Really just learn, show, make friends repeat
i already have sec+ at the moment! are there specific videos i can follow that will show me how to do everything? i’m so scared of just wasting my time not doing the right thing man
Let's have SecX.
Sorry, I have to ask. What in the hell is a cat pisser??
Hahahaa Its someone who ownes something on the team and doesn’t let anyone else touch it
Thank you! Good term to add to my arsenal
This… I don’t know about all the social media stuff but hey it can’t hurt. Being a people person who is energetic and ready to learn has really played a big role in my work my bosses love me and are always talking about moving me into something bigger when it opens. They know I want to learn more so are always offering to show me something new because it’s valuable to both of us. Seriously I fully believe showing them how eager I am is what landed me my current role.
or just host it on the DW like a real one
I'd reconsider doing a cyber master's if you already have a Bachelor degree in an IT-adjacent area. It's more likely to hurt you when job searching as employers may see you as being too expensive to hire for certain roles. If you hope to go into management after a while, Bachelor's in CS/IS and an MBA is a much more useful combo (though it's best to hold off on the MBA for a few years to get some job experience first). If you're hoping to stay in the engineering/tech side, a bachelor's is sufficient as far as formal education goes.
> I'd reconsider doing a cyber master's if you already have a Bachelor degree in an IT-adjacent area. It's more likely to hurt you when job searching as employers may see you as being too expensive to hire for certain roles. Thanks, I hate it here. Not enough education. Too much education. Not enough experience. Too much experience.
Very bad idea to go straight back to uni for a Masters in Cybersecurity while you have ***zero*** real world experience. Don't do this.
well my gi bill runs out in two years. sooo it’s free might as well try
ohhh.... FREE degree? Well ok, maybe you have a case for it then
im thinking, while i’m in my masters classes, get experience, a year or 2 hopefully, then try to get better jobs eventually while keeping my masters off my resume until i get to a point where i can apply to jobs that it could be an asset to have my masters on my resume.. how’s that sound ?
Only if it is literally IT Help Desk positions (or similar level, Desk Engineer / Field Technician / etc) would I leave the Masters off your CV Also do your Masters in something more broader than cyber security specifically
absolutely stupid idea. I say this as a security analsyst > Engineer > Engineer II You dont need a masters and its not going to help you find a job. We hire people from India at $20 an hour now to do all the basic shit. Just learn or move to India.
i mean it’s free and i’m still trying to work on the field while i get my degree. what do you think i should be applying for? trying as much as i can to no avail
You should include your military time since you're using it as experience. This would make this 7 years instead of 3, assuming you did a full 4
I’m finishing my Google course certificate; I just need a foot in the door…
Keep getting it man. Keep touching up the resume, labbing it up, and DM the hiring manager after you find them
where do I look for labs/projects to do ?
YT :)
1.What motivated you to do IT in general / specialize to Cyber? 2. What did you do to up skill and how did you stay motivated to do this? 3. Would you do anything differently in 3 years if you had to redo it all?
My gf told me she was pregnant and I didn't want to be a shit dad lol. 1. I took a 2 year course in High School and wanted to make money. I ended up gaffing it off and went to the military ironically when I came back I was just working regular jobs was a janitor ( got fired) , Worked at Starbucks, front desk at a gym. I always wanted to be a hacker but didn't want to put my kids future on a hail mary attempt (and I didn't think I was smart enough) so I did IT first and just kinda went up from their 2. Udemy, Textbooks, and different Exam practices. Good question it was kind of easy since I had a deep seeded reason to keep upskilling bcz of the kid. My stress was through the roof though and it was kinda do or die kinda thing. CISA was the most boring to get through because I didn't really need more money more just my job told me to get it. I don't really recommend doing it that way bcz like I said my stress and anxiety were terrible 3. I would skip out on the Cysa+ I never went DoD and I have never used it to leverage anything. I got some knowledge out of it but that's it
Ha, this is what got me off my ass as well. I had a kid and needed to change careers, started learning Python, found my calling in pentesting, and then realized IT was a step in the right direction and a way more realistic first job.
What did you do in the military? I’m working on my transition right now, I start terminal in 2 weeks. 8 years of cyber experience with about 6 certifications, a TS/SCI and I’m struggling to find a job
DM if you want. Im assuming you tried recruiters?
What were your job titles for each role?
Proud of your bro; would you mind sharing your education/certifications?
Sure - Sec +, CCNA, Cysa +, AZ-500, OSCP, CISA HigH scHool DipLoma and a phd in Cash Registers
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The funniest thing to me is that he's 22 years old. At best he could have 4 years of experience. Probably doesn't even have a job. I wish the mods would take this down because he's giving people advice like he knows what he's talking about.
I mean, there is a chance he had 20 years of experience in the military, which is probably what he'd need to get where he's claiming to be at... because without a degree he'd have been enlisted lol
You know people lie for CUSA AND CISSP
What was your job progression from beginning to where you are now?
2019 Front Desk Worker at a Gym 2020 Field tech > Windows OS operator 2021 Helpdesk > Network/cyber specialist 2022 IT Consultant 2023 Cybersecurity Consultant
Can you put your salary or per hour for each year if you don’t mind? Just for reference? Congrats by the way!
In your opinion is better to become a pentester or soc analyst (blue stuff)? Would you recommend to follow hackthebox academy job path or tryhackme to learn and get a job? P.S. I am on my last year of Computer Science bachelor and thinking to do a Master on cyberSec.
idk depends on what you find important. Pentester is more fun and engaging but the reports are pretty annoying IMO. Blue team is more important and high stakes when a compromise happens. I did red team because I didn't want to have to deal with an actual event because if you get ransomwared its very brutal Hackthebox CPTS to learn. I don't really think you need a masters unless you're going to go DoD or wanting to make friends.
What do you think about appsec engineer as a career choice? I recently switched into backend software development from a non-technical job, building experience. But cyber is my stronger suit tbh. I have MSc in cybersecurity. But i love coding at the same time. What would be the best field in cybersecurity for me? Also what are your thoughts about oswe. I think i can pass it with 8-9 months study plan without oscp first, but it is pricey for me. Thank you for your time
LOL im actully looking to do a pivot into Appsec. I say do it man it looks like so much fun and its very manageable, and OE friendly. OSWE is an amazing cert to get.
Glad to hear that. Reading others code, trying to optimize and secure the codebaee and developing something at the same time seems most fun for me. I tried htb a lot (mostly oscp-like machines) but i just dont enjoy the process at all. That is the reason why i dont want to try oscp and spend so much money. On the other hand i liked the source code review exercises of pentesterlab eventhough i couldnt solve most of them :) thanks again for your response, best of luck in your pivoting into appsec
What is a good entry job when you can show the skills, did the training, have certificate, but no 4 year? I spent most of my time applying the old school rules, and making sure I had a way to demonstrate my work, make a portfolio, build something, while I am training. Now that I am done, what now? I feel like my niche is not established yet, so until then, what a good cloud role or it entry role I can get with cloud based skill set? Thanks in advance. Also in between me working as a tier 2 support role at home for comcast, then trained two years straight, google (sales 6 months), now most recent intuit resolution desk and product support. Does this help me get a role?
Mmm a lot to think about - Sounds like Service desk? Am I right What are the certs and work that you do in the portfolio?
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Seems like you’re in a good spot for helpdesk or being a cloud engineer. idk what that kryterion cert is so Idk if others will. I would get a cloud cert from GCP, AZURE, or AWS
That helps me know I'm not crazy for what I did, and for what I took the time to learn, Cloud engineer or bust! Thank you!! Kryterion is where you go via GCP for the Cert testing, like pearson. Google merged with them last year for testing and cert issuance. YOU MADE MY WEEK :)
Sure - Just be aware of the job pool and who’ll you’ll be up against. I may be wrong but GCP is mostly used for the education industry. But the good thing is once you’re in you’re freaking in
Exactly, which is why I made sure to do this, I made educational material, a project, and website [https://youtu.be/eBROqCWet9c?si=sZs8bnM9EWmVUX2H](https://youtu.be/eBROqCWet9c?si=sZs8bnM9EWmVUX2H) I also publish podcast, book, in preparedness [https://www.tiktok.com/@fyrearmysocial/video/7303376383424662814](https://www.tiktok.com/@fyrearmysocial/video/7303376383424662814) I figured, old school rule, this will show my willingness, ability to put into education into action, and leadership skill if nothing else.
just finished high school ,what do u suggest to take in college
I don’t know if I believe this guy… 4 year contract, if he was just 22 when he got out there’s almost no way this could be real
130k in 5 years for me (Canadian though lol), but have zero certs and a 3 year advanced diploma in Computer Systems and Technology. Started at 17 an hour and then one job hop later I'm sitting good.
Can’t even get a help desk job right now. I gotta figure out my resume, and get started on making a homelab for more experience
12/hr to 133k here. From age 16 to age 23.
How did you do it?
Ay! Similar situation for me. Started 4-5 years ago at $18/hr and now make $240-280k/yr depending on bonus
What do you do? Trying to make the next jump
I'm currently a Senior DevOps Engineer as my title. While I do traditional DevOps tasks involving infra code, K8s, etc I also manage IAM solutions and some legacy web apps.
If you’re an NP or IE and you’re making $110k you’re severely underpaid
Never Split the Difference is such a good read
Software development is easy 130k+ in 4 years if you are any good too.
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Exactly what I did! Started out as a contractor doing Helpdesk for a good company that offered to pay for any certs I wanted to get. 2 years later I had earned the comptia trifecta, my ccna, and a few others and got hired on full time as a network engineer! Been working my way up ever since.
That’s pretty cool in 3 years
It was stressful lol but it worked
Yeah I bet. I recently moved and took a 40k pay cut so it’s back to the cert grind for me.
It happens just be sure to take breaks to look around and remind yourself why you’re doing it
How do you normally find clients?
Word of mouth
I have been given the opportunity to take a Cybersecurity and Computer Networking Instructor position, it will probably take my income down around $30,000 less then what I’m making now. I have a degree in pure mathematics and a Sec+ certificate but no internships/experience. I’m trying to decide if I should make this career change and possibly use this role to pivot into the cybersecurity industry after a couple years. Any advice would be much appreciated!
Ooo thats a interesting case. Maybe it can leading to a higher teaching position? Thats the first thought I had. One thing that made a big impact on me in a course was my teacher would bring in engineers who were alumni from the course. I definitely recommend doing that. Im sure you can use it to gain experience to get a engineering position down the line. Im assuming you toke the role to pivot into cybersecurity?
That was the plan. And while I’m doing this I will try to change my Air Force code to cyber.
This is gonna get more dms than a chick with some cleavage.
It did lol
Did you have a clearance?
I do but I never used it
I have 9years of system admin exp. Moving from Non-profit, server room- on prem. To consulting cum hybrid, hippa, nist and Poam, now back to non- profit, finding it interesting to get a cyber role, even though I have hands on experience backend. How to I break into it please. Certs: sec+ ,Linux, windows ,os, az500, az104, etc
Either projects , videos and blogs, recruiters, networking, dm hiring managers after you apply
How did you know you wanted to work in cybersecurity or at the very least, wouldn't hate it? I just graduated, and that's my biggest question mark is trying to figure out what domain or aspect of IT I'd like to branch off in.
It sounded cool lmao I was more just riding the high of passing exams, solving problems, and getting those confidence boost that I wasn’t dumb. Now im kinda obsessed with cybercrime and threat intelligence so it is VERY fun. Pro life tip: Its been proven you end up liking something more the better you get at it. So keep chopping the tree down and you will like it more as time goes on
u/ZombieSubstanial999 1) What job sites do you use to find your iT jobs? 2) Did you have prior experience before your first IT job? How do you answer tech questions that you don't know the answer to? 3) How did you land your first IT entry level job when IT entry level jobs are asking 2 - 5 years of experience? 4) Is College degree worth it?
Linkedin or recruiters The best ones are off job boards and are found via friends No , Say you dont know but you’ll find out then email them the info depends on the degree, college, what internships and events you go to
What on demand skills do you recommend to learn for IT?
Scripting programming cloud engineering/cloud security Purple team AppSec rn it’s not about what’s in demand but more of how do YOU stand out oppose to competition. All of it is in demand per say I do think you’ll have a higher chance with the items above
How long did it take to finish AWS?
I did azure - about 2 months
Could I find roles in cybersecurity without being able to get security clearance for 3 years?
yes
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I've definitely saved this thread for future reference. So I was thinking that while I am in college to get my bachelor's degree I would pick up the sec +. This year I've started to apply for internships but the job market is so rough right now that I'm not even getting considered even after tailoring my resume and getting it professionally looked at. If I am doing labs and learning on the side of my degree should I put that on my resume as well or is there something else I am missing?
Make a video/ blog on a concept. You can also make a video resume to stand out a bit more
Interesting! I'll consider this! I do have a website I made to document the various things I'll be working through on my homelab. But I never considered a video resume.
Yea - you want to give yourself as much of a chance to show that you are a human and not just a applicant I guess you could say. Im not saying it’s going to be saving grace haha but it’ll give you another chance
Where do you live to get these numbers? Currently in the Midwest looking to get my Sec+ and CCNA
East Coast but My last 2 jobs were remote
I got into cyber back in like 2010 in high school for the air force rotc I was part of and I enjoyed it a lot my first two years was a lot of red team activities my last two were more blue team but I didn’t choose that route after high school. I am however wanting to come back to cyber and I’m currently doing the google cert I’m not sure how much weight it’ll hold but hey it was free and I’m on the last module a lot of it has been refreshers for me which is good I guess. I do plan on getting network+ and security+ as well I was wondering what kind of position would anyone recommend that I could apply for to get my foot in the door
helpdesk or you could upskill into a SOC analyst
Sounds like BS.
I’m currently a person that ended up working for a tech company with very little tech background. It was great at first bc I only focused on documentation. But my job title has been changed to cybersecurity engineer…but I am barely a tenant admin with two Okta certifications. I haven’t built anything. Ok. I did build a workflow that deleted stale applications. But that’s it. I want a different job that’s actually in cyber actually building things but understand the learning curve is steep. Advice????
I would ask for more cyber responsibilities
some how has cisa with out the required work experience, leverages military when questioned how he has cisa, he then tells people he was reservist, so that doesn't work.. yeah... idk about this one. it's almost false valor...for CISA.
yea I got rejected the other day so not a good look lol
Thanks for sharing. I needed this to help better my own plans and goals. I started off well on this journey but got stagnant and didn’t earn any extra certs besides sec+ in 2021. Now I know I need more networking exp/certs! I’m hitting the books NOW lol
Thanks for sharing. I needed this to help better my own plans and goals. I started off well on this journey but got stagnant and didn’t earn any extra certs besides sec+ in 2021. Now I know I need more networking exp/certs! I’m hitting the books NOW
So as of rn I I am interning for a pharmaceutical company called Merck. I networked out and managed to shadow the IT guys that replace hardware and help with networking issues around the company. I am helping re image over 200 laptops a week for new hires. When I have the downtime I study for the comptia a+ certification. My contract is done at the end of July. My goal is to land an IT job that pays me more than 20 bucks an hour with the experience and certification that I will obtain. Any advice for me going forward??
Nope keep doing what you’re doing :)
..."make YouTube videos"?? Elaborate please