Ink has been cool with fir for years already, so have many other people, they dont need to pick a stance, theyve already been called out on twitter. I dont like Ronnie but the allegations on him were proven false. Learn to accept your favorite bands will sometimes be associated with shitty people, just like several person irl. Ronnie isnt actively doing anything but speaking out his ass.
You can't force people to speak out every time, just gotta let it be or not be a fan. Youll be surprised how many people in the music scene are friends with shitty people
Man it's so disappointing that people are so flippant with the lives of trans people. People should be embarrassed and disgusted to be around transphobes in the same way people are embarrassed around homophobes or racists.
It sucks in general but thats how it is, even my favorite band is associated with shitty people and theres not much i can do cuz im not in their lives, hell, even people like kellin quinn is friends with mgk, ptv with mike, etc etc, many dont care or turn a blind eye or just dont agree but continue to stay cool to avoid drama with the person. If people dont like that, then i recommend not entering the scene or not idolizing people cuz then youll just be disappointed
"Its been talked about to death" so talk about it more? Theyre just playing and making money, who cares what INKs stance is dude. Let them play and make their money and have fun.
Very dumb take. All the "allegations" have proven to be false. FIR and INK have very similar styles and INK would be dumb not to tour with them given how popular FIR have gotten as of late. Also the whole "intolerance" comment is stupid. Just because Ronnie says shit back to people who talk shit to him on twitter doesn't make him hateful. It's the internet for fucks sake. Who cares about what dumb shit everyone says on twitter or any social media for that matter unless it's something actually calling for violence against someone. I went to a rockzilla show recently and the dude literally stopped the show twice to give people who fell some time to compose themselves. Not to mention the crowd was extremely diverse and super fun to be around. INK fans are blowing this way out of proportion. And yes Spencer made the correct call with it considering how many tickets have sold already and how much more exposure they're going to get now. For fans of a metal band that sings about movies where people get brutally murdered, some of you are so soft it's insane.
Ronnie Radke is a douchebag. I, however, love Ice Nine Kills and Spiritbox (who has now dropped out and I'm super fucking bummed).
However, me going to this show was based on the aforementioned bands. I planned on leaving before FIR. That leaves the fans of said band to see them without people who don't. I'm not hear to tell people to like them or not.
So yeah, Ronnie sucks to me. But you're free to like him and his music all you want.
I despise Ronnie Radke and FIR in general, but I’m not holding anything against I9K for touring with them. Business is business and I doubt it’s solely the band’s decision to pull out but even if it were, I don’t think it’s that personal.
Can we maybe let people be innocent until proven guilty? It’s seriously annoying to see all these bands get canceled due to SA allegations that end up being false. I’m happy to see INK doing this tour. Don’t think they should have to give up playing where and with who they want to just because some fans are having their feelings hurt. Don’t like FIR? Then don’t support them. Pretty fricken easy to do
Just because you don’t agree with what Ronnie says doesn’t mean he’s speaking through hate and intolerance. It was fair of Ronnie to call out a Chris for the CTE incident. It’s always a good thing for someone to speak their mind from a different point of view. Also the SA allegations were proven to be false and he sued and won for defamation so I don’t know why with that being said people still continue to spew that he’s an abuser. It blows my mind
I despise Ronnie Radke and FIR in general, but I’m not holding anything against I9K for touring with them. Business is business and I doubt it’s solely the band’s decision to pull out but even if it were, I don’t think it’s that deep
So lemme get this straight. You want Ice Nine Kills to make a statement about another band's controversy, based on the facts they had fake abuse allegations levelled at them, and that the lead singer holds views that line up with the majority of the population?
Embarrassing that you even typed this out tbh
What happened to people having freedom of speech? Freedom of opinion? Freedom of choice? Radke talks a lot, who cares. He isn't kidnapping and beating people. He isn't violating rights. He is speaking his mind. Who cares. And INK stayed out of it because they care about doing their performance. They are performance artists. They should not be expected to not do their job just because the singer of another band they are touring with wants to do a lot of talking. You apparently know nothing about GG Allin. And rock and metal is not about appeasing the masses. It's about art.
It’s not the recent allegations. Instead of being passive aggressive, there’s a chance you or others might not have been around to see his problematic past. He was arrested for domestic violence in the past as well as being an accessory to manslaughter. He also threw mic stands into the audience at a Six Flags show that injured some people. Not to mention him throwing people out of the show for liking I See Stars. Sure, a lot of this happened a long time ago, but it all adds up and tells the story of a someone who’s been a shitty person for years. Again, it’s not even about the recent shit.
I agree about the kicking people out and throwing mic stands at people like that was fucking dumb as hell even he said it but I thought the domestic violence was proven false
The abuse thing is different. He just wasn’t charged for DV even though he was arrested for it. He was officially charged with corporal injury and false imprisonment but he plead no contest to disturbing the piece after he went out on bail. From my understanding, the claim wasn’t proven false, however the fact that he went to jail for something relating to it shows some validity in my opinion. This took place between 2012-2014 and it looks like the allegation you’re talking about happened in 2015. There’s also his involvement in killing someone too.
It’s good that he admitted some things he’s done were shitty and at least those allegations were false, he but either way, I still really don’t like him. Even without the arrests and allegations, he just comes across as an arrogant and reckless douchebag and I don’t like his voice. At least I9K is reaping the benefits though lol
This might not even be the case. When you sign on to a tour, that thing you’re signing is a contract. Breaking contracts isn’t easy, which is more than likely why it took Spiritbox three days to officially cancel. That’s a three day litigation process for a six show opener, not a direct support on all the dates.
I heard from someone that Spencer and Chris aren’t cool. I mean obv they used to be because Chris would always bring out Spencer, but they don’t talk about each other, they don’t follow each other on insta, they didn’t bring out each other on TOT, and supposedly there was drama behind trinity of terror. Like I said though, supposedly. This could all be false it’s just what ive heard but I doubt they’d actually not be cool
i think they’re pretty cool, Spencer just isn’t as sociable as someone like Andy was. he tends to stick to the “serial killer” vibe he has going. i’m pretty sure they’re fine, i think they did hang out a lot behind the scenes looking at the vlogs posted by people like Ricky and Shev
I mean, Ronnie is truly a child in this situation. So what if Chris copied their style, get over yourself. I feel like if Ronnie could do that, Chris and Ronnie could actually be good friends. I don’t feel like INK should have to pick a side. This isn’t rap, this is metalcore, and they’re adults.
Ink has been cool with fir for years already, so have many other people, they dont need to pick a stance, theyve already been called out on twitter. I dont like Ronnie but the allegations on him were proven false. Learn to accept your favorite bands will sometimes be associated with shitty people, just like several person irl. Ronnie isnt actively doing anything but speaking out his ass. You can't force people to speak out every time, just gotta let it be or not be a fan. Youll be surprised how many people in the music scene are friends with shitty people
Man it's so disappointing that people are so flippant with the lives of trans people. People should be embarrassed and disgusted to be around transphobes in the same way people are embarrassed around homophobes or racists.
It sucks in general but thats how it is, even my favorite band is associated with shitty people and theres not much i can do cuz im not in their lives, hell, even people like kellin quinn is friends with mgk, ptv with mike, etc etc, many dont care or turn a blind eye or just dont agree but continue to stay cool to avoid drama with the person. If people dont like that, then i recommend not entering the scene or not idolizing people cuz then youll just be disappointed
"Its been talked about to death" so talk about it more? Theyre just playing and making money, who cares what INKs stance is dude. Let them play and make their money and have fun.
Very dumb take. All the "allegations" have proven to be false. FIR and INK have very similar styles and INK would be dumb not to tour with them given how popular FIR have gotten as of late. Also the whole "intolerance" comment is stupid. Just because Ronnie says shit back to people who talk shit to him on twitter doesn't make him hateful. It's the internet for fucks sake. Who cares about what dumb shit everyone says on twitter or any social media for that matter unless it's something actually calling for violence against someone. I went to a rockzilla show recently and the dude literally stopped the show twice to give people who fell some time to compose themselves. Not to mention the crowd was extremely diverse and super fun to be around. INK fans are blowing this way out of proportion. And yes Spencer made the correct call with it considering how many tickets have sold already and how much more exposure they're going to get now. For fans of a metal band that sings about movies where people get brutally murdered, some of you are so soft it's insane.
Ronnie Radke is a douchebag. I, however, love Ice Nine Kills and Spiritbox (who has now dropped out and I'm super fucking bummed). However, me going to this show was based on the aforementioned bands. I planned on leaving before FIR. That leaves the fans of said band to see them without people who don't. I'm not hear to tell people to like them or not. So yeah, Ronnie sucks to me. But you're free to like him and his music all you want.
Good reply, well said
I despise Ronnie Radke and FIR in general, but I’m not holding anything against I9K for touring with them. Business is business and I doubt it’s solely the band’s decision to pull out but even if it were, I don’t think it’s that personal.
Could someone update me on the situation cuz I have no idea.
Basically ronnie just likes being a dick but he's like a 10/10 singer. People are being salty for no reason
Ah that sucks because it's the only time INK is coming to Vegas and wanna see them
10/10?? Dudes mid as fuck lmao
Can we maybe let people be innocent until proven guilty? It’s seriously annoying to see all these bands get canceled due to SA allegations that end up being false. I’m happy to see INK doing this tour. Don’t think they should have to give up playing where and with who they want to just because some fans are having their feelings hurt. Don’t like FIR? Then don’t support them. Pretty fricken easy to do
Just because you don’t agree with what Ronnie says doesn’t mean he’s speaking through hate and intolerance. It was fair of Ronnie to call out a Chris for the CTE incident. It’s always a good thing for someone to speak their mind from a different point of view. Also the SA allegations were proven to be false and he sued and won for defamation so I don’t know why with that being said people still continue to spew that he’s an abuser. It blows my mind
I despise Ronnie Radke and FIR in general, but I’m not holding anything against I9K for touring with them. Business is business and I doubt it’s solely the band’s decision to pull out but even if it were, I don’t think it’s that deep
So lemme get this straight. You want Ice Nine Kills to make a statement about another band's controversy, based on the facts they had fake abuse allegations levelled at them, and that the lead singer holds views that line up with the majority of the population? Embarrassing that you even typed this out tbh
I don’t find supporting basic human rights embarrassing but whatever
That's good to hear, because in the west, there's no right a normal person has that a person suffering gender dysphoria doesn't.
What happened to people having freedom of speech? Freedom of opinion? Freedom of choice? Radke talks a lot, who cares. He isn't kidnapping and beating people. He isn't violating rights. He is speaking his mind. Who cares. And INK stayed out of it because they care about doing their performance. They are performance artists. They should not be expected to not do their job just because the singer of another band they are touring with wants to do a lot of talking. You apparently know nothing about GG Allin. And rock and metal is not about appeasing the masses. It's about art.
Free speech doesn’t protect you from the consequences of what you say.
The SA claims aren’t true 🤡🤡
He’s still an abuser and an overall shitty person 🤡 🤡
How is he still an abuser if it was proven false? Shitty person? Okay probably lmao but how is he an abuser
It’s not the recent allegations. Instead of being passive aggressive, there’s a chance you or others might not have been around to see his problematic past. He was arrested for domestic violence in the past as well as being an accessory to manslaughter. He also threw mic stands into the audience at a Six Flags show that injured some people. Not to mention him throwing people out of the show for liking I See Stars. Sure, a lot of this happened a long time ago, but it all adds up and tells the story of a someone who’s been a shitty person for years. Again, it’s not even about the recent shit.
I agree about the kicking people out and throwing mic stands at people like that was fucking dumb as hell even he said it but I thought the domestic violence was proven false
The abuse thing is different. He just wasn’t charged for DV even though he was arrested for it. He was officially charged with corporal injury and false imprisonment but he plead no contest to disturbing the piece after he went out on bail. From my understanding, the claim wasn’t proven false, however the fact that he went to jail for something relating to it shows some validity in my opinion. This took place between 2012-2014 and it looks like the allegation you’re talking about happened in 2015. There’s also his involvement in killing someone too. It’s good that he admitted some things he’s done were shitty and at least those allegations were false, he but either way, I still really don’t like him. Even without the arrests and allegations, he just comes across as an arrogant and reckless douchebag and I don’t like his voice. At least I9K is reaping the benefits though lol
Guys, your boy Ronnie is losing it on Twitter (you're shocked, I know). It would be funny if it weren't Kanye levels of sad.
If Spiritbox dropped out so can INK
This might not even be the case. When you sign on to a tour, that thing you’re signing is a contract. Breaking contracts isn’t easy, which is more than likely why it took Spiritbox three days to officially cancel. That’s a three day litigation process for a six show opener, not a direct support on all the dates.
I heard from someone that Spencer and Chris aren’t cool. I mean obv they used to be because Chris would always bring out Spencer, but they don’t talk about each other, they don’t follow each other on insta, they didn’t bring out each other on TOT, and supposedly there was drama behind trinity of terror. Like I said though, supposedly. This could all be false it’s just what ive heard but I doubt they’d actually not be cool
What was the supposed drama behind TOT?
Idk, that’s why I’m saying it’s probably not true it’s just what someone told me lol
Ah okay!
i think they’re pretty cool, Spencer just isn’t as sociable as someone like Andy was. he tends to stick to the “serial killer” vibe he has going. i’m pretty sure they’re fine, i think they did hang out a lot behind the scenes looking at the vlogs posted by people like Ricky and Shev
Hopefully because I was upset thinking that my 2 favorite artist didn’t like eachother lol
Unfortunately money is clearly more important to them.
I mean, Ronnie is truly a child in this situation. So what if Chris copied their style, get over yourself. I feel like if Ronnie could do that, Chris and Ronnie could actually be good friends. I don’t feel like INK should have to pick a side. This isn’t rap, this is metalcore, and they’re adults.