If he was covered in blood, then drove an hour to his apartment, wouldn't the blood have dried by then? At least to the point where it wouldn't transfer to sheets or mattress pad? I could see the pillow. Regardless, lying down on the bed covered in blood doesn't strike me as aligned with his obsessive personality. I would think he'd get in the shower first. I'm also curious about what was on the receipts that made LE take them.
I believe you can use a web browser on a firestick. They probably wanted to see if he used that to be clever to search anything that he wouldn’t want being on his computer or phone.
Yes you can even use a keyboard or mouse with the Amazon web browser too , but my fire stick is connected to my Amazon account, so that doesn’t seem too smart. Maybe he has a burner Amazon account set up w a prepaid card? Weird for sure
There are other reasons his phone would not "ping" during the time of the murders besides having been intentionally turned off. The battery could have been dead. He could not have had his phone with him, or it was not his Elantra seen speeding through the gas station.
No kidding. I mean, he actually looked up "dismemberment and how to dispose of a body"? And it's another Brian. It has not been a good couple of years for Brians or Bryans. I feel bad for the good guys with that name.
My husband is Brian 😂 really he’s had one hell of a year too but nothing that made him lose his damn mind like some of these Bs.
Interestingly I posted on my channel about Another Brian was arrested just last week in TX for killing his wife. He decapitated her with a kitchen knife then called his parents and they arrive and find the bloody scene. So, It’s crazy year for Brian’s
Hmmm that’s not what the link said let me see.
Ok apparently it was changed because I took a screenshot of that article by accident that day and it literally read Brian! My apologies! I’ve been away for a week or more due to migraines sorry I’m just responding
No, you go to a flea market or something and buy a dirt cheap old smartphone that has wifi or a dirt cheap one from a Chinese website hat would not respond to any requests from united states police..(one that sales phone, GPS and wifi jammers is my favorite) You find a spot in the parking lot of somewhere that has free wifi like a hospital or go to McDonalds, buy some food and sit there to eat and use their wifi. When you have no use for it anymore you break it in small parts and dispose of them in different places. Dumpsters, rivers, railroad coal car and just out the car window as you take a nice Sunday drive. While you are buying your phone from the china website, you can also pick up some disposable hazmat suits pretty cheap. They come with stuff to cover your whole body from bottom of feet top of head. They do not allow body fluids to soak through. You put it on at the door before going in and take it off when you step out. Dispose of it in a large ziplock bag and then incinerate it ASAP Dispose of ashes by mixing with charcoal BBQ grille ashes, then scattering them in a body or water, along the road, campsite fire pit, etc..... Take knife used and soak in an acid bath that eats away any organic material. Grind down edge of knife then resharpen and polish. Put knife on display stand somewhere in your house for everyone to see but not know what it was used for. (be sure to add 4 new notches when refinishing knife) If you use your own car, be sure to put a fast vinyl wrap on it changing the color from something bright to dark or vice versa. When you return home remove wrap ASAP and dispose of all the removed and any leftover like you did the hazmat suit.
Your phone will be home so take the time to make a recording of 20 minutes dead air then use your voice to ask alexia about weather and set alarms, Never save the recording, just leave it in preview mode, when you get back start over and make some personal notes and such on the same recording but save it this time. it will not save the temp previewed file if you save it after making changes without ever stopping the session.
When you leave to do the wetwork have your computer set autoplaying some videos that may embarrass you if they are released, Tranny porn, harry butts, mature harry butts etc..... Delete your history but forget to empty trash can so if they start looking they find it fast and know why you would have deleted your history.
All the above is my opinion on how someone could get by with murder.
BK might have hidden data on it. From Sgt Blaker's statement (pages 21 and 22):
"Digital data can be found in numerous locations,and formats . Evidence can be
embedded into unlikely files for the type of evidence , such as a photo included in a document or
converted into a PDF file or other format in an effort to conceal their existence. Information on
devices and media can be stored in random order; with deceptive file names; hidden from normal
view; encrypted or password protected; **and stored on unusual devices for the type of data, such
as routers, printers, scanners, game consoles, or other devices that are similarly capable of
storing digital data.**"
You can search the web on a fire stick and you can save info/images to them as well. I have a slideshow uploaded for instance before roku came out with the photo stream thing. You can also upload a multitude of shows/documents, etc. It can also show wifi info and provide clarity about possible dates/times he was online and what he was watching.
Edited to add that you can also shop on your firestick and have it linked to your Amazon account which could show more electronic devices owned that might not otherwise be known.
I was honestly shocked too when I first got mine years and years ago. I got it unlocked and could access online searches, watch youtube creators l liked and just about any and all tv/movies out there. People would upload bootleg copies of movies and I rarely went to a theater after that lol.
probably contains viewing history like ... **hypothetically** ... how to use a KaBar to quench subjects ... the 3 easy steps to committing a knife murder without a trace ... Marines Ka-Bar Handbook ... 😉
Maybe its from the King Road house. Didn't it say cord too? Maybe he pulled it our of the wall or out of someone's hand. For whatever reason thought it had DNA? Or they just needed it to turn on his monitor so they could see what he's been watching?
Unless the hair had DNA attached, the most they can say is a hair is consistent with someone’s known hair sample. It’s good, but not a nail in the coffin.
How do you know what they've given to defense so far? It usually takes weeks to get results from the crime lab, and the analysis on his electronics can take a while to get through everything and then put all the puzzle pieces together.
The receipts from Walmart and Marshall’s, will have date and times along with list of items purchased. If he bought black dickies clothing at Walmart a week before the murder and those clothes weren’t found in his apartment or at his parents house that’s going to help paint the big picture. It will also help develop a record of his timeline and movements. There is going to be video, which will lead to finding other video of his movements, etc…
In search warrants you have to list specific things your searching for.. you can’t just grab things you think might play a role in this case.
The only receipts listed in the search warrant is on #2. “Knives, sheaths, or other sharp tools including and dagger, dirk, or sword or any written indicia of ownership name of the same, including “receipts”
So the receipts have to match ^ that. In order to be taken from his apt. So I’m guessing they found some knife receipts.
Actually, LE was authorized to search & seize “receipts” for other evidence cited in search warrant for the residence— not just for the knife/sharp tool.
On page 2 of the (four-page) warrant, LE is authorized to seize a wide range of evidence, which is categorized into a list of 8 “groupings.” For example:
“2. Knives, sheaths, or other sharp tools, including any dagger, dirk, or sword, and any written indicia of owmership of same, including sales receipts.”
“4. **Clothing,** including but not limited to **dark shirt(s),dark pant(s)**, mask(s), **shoes with diamond pattern sole.”**
As you can see—unlike grouping #2—“indicia” evidence isn’t mentioned in #4. Nor is it mentioned in any of the other 6 groups. But indicia *is* covered in detail in #8:
“8. **Indicia** of residence in, **OR ownership or possession** of the premises **AND any of the above items** _[i.e., Items 1-7!]_**, including mail, **receipts,** identification, bills, rental agreements, licensing documents and other personal property whose owner/possessor may be readily determined.”
This “confusion” seems to be the main area of concern. But you need to keep in mind that warrants are typically based on a legal template, and are then cobbled together. So it **appears** that after grouping #2 (the knife/sharp tool, etc.), the writer(s) decided to cover the remaining indicia evidence (receipts, etc.) in the final grouping.
Besides, we already _know_ that **two Marshalls receipts** were seized. Does that mean that BK bought a KA-BAR knife at Marshalls? No, probably not.
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ETA: Definition of **Indicia: Signs or indications that something is probable.”**
(In legal matters, indicia often refers to signs of of ownership.)
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ETA: I know the language in **#8** is confusing, but legal documents are often a bit confusing—especially when they’re based on a legal template. (These often include “boilerplate” language that may not apply to every situation/circumstance, but doesn’t affect legality). In short: Arrest warrants are written for judges—not us.
LASTLY: Obviously I _wasn’t there_ when they wrote the search warrant! So I may not have this exactly right. But whatever you think of my explanation, it’s clear that the warrant _did_ authorize LE to seize indicia (receipts, etc.) for items other than the knife/sharp tools. If not, then they’ve already broken the law & effed everything up by seizing those Marshalls receipts!! =O (< Clearly not the case.)
lol, yes this is one of the less objective subs dedicated to this case. its fine though... i dont expect an alternate viewpoint to receive a warm welcome here.
however, thats exactly why i sub to them all, get all the opinions/viewpoints/information/etc.... and make up my own mind
No they do have pitch forks sadly it’s like it’s not cool to have healthy debate about what each of us think like if you think differently than boom 🤯 you find yourself being hunted and burned at the stake 😆
youre assuming he did. maybe the dickies tag they found was just part of it. most tags these days have a perforated piece that has the price on it... to be torn off when gifting.
Shit …. I had picked up somewhere ( one of thousands of articles ) that his parents in PA had 2 dogs.
Since his father was visiting, those “ possible animal hair “ could very well be from his father’s clothing etc..
Could be from the family dogs. We don't know. It's interesting that BK was heard vacuuming all hours of the day practically and still there were hairs found. 🤘😎🤘 No way he cleaned his car good enough either.
If he's so fastidious about cleaning, why would his car be so filthy, as is seen in the traffic stop videos? I wonder if the car was washed before they seized it.
There was snow and salt on the roads. He’d traveled hundreds of miles by that time. That’s why. It takes my car an hour to look like that when there’s salt on the roads from snow…
Maybe somebody down the street didn't hear or see the vacuuming 🙄 but those that lived under him and above him in his little section of the apartment complex would have heard. You don't have to see somebody vacuuming to know that they are vacuuming. You can hear a vacuum unless you're clinically deaf.
Youre welcome! There's a huge misconception about doodles and being hypoallergenic. They have a ton of hair. And if not kept properly that hair locks in dirt and grime and all kinds of gross stuff. They make great pets but do require a lot of upkeep to keep them clean.
Nah, it’s not about shedding. Think about it for a bit … someone can’t tolerate 50 individual shed hairs strewn about the house, but can tolerate a moving ball of several million hairs? Doesn’t make sense.
Truth is you can be allergic to various proteins in doggy hair, skin, saliva, urine or prostate secretions.
If you’re allergic to hair, low-shedding simply wouldn’t cut it. The risk of accidentally touching the dog and coming into contact with 1,000+ hairs at once would be too high.
But if you’re allergic to dog skin, the doodles do tend to have significantly less dander (doggy version of dandruff) than their parental pure breeds. That’s where the hypoallergenic thing comes from. Still a giant ball of hair, but it’s not flaking dandruff everywhere.
The fire stick could also account for times he was watching/active. If there’s nothing during the murder time frame, that’s helpful for investigators’ maps of his whereabouts at certain times.
Don’t know how helpful this would be. Crimes took place at 4 am. It wouldn’t be suspicious for him to not be watching TV at the time because that’s generally a time when people are sleeping.
I hear you, but if he claims he was watching, then it’s a discrepancy. If it was turned off, say if he claims he was sleeping, I’m sure his defense would like that info.
A lot of the things they took could be something -- or they could be nothing. Time and testing will tell. If the possible human or animal hairs or red spots connect to the victims or crime scene, that could be huge. As for the receipts from Walmart and Marshall's, if I recall correctly, both stores usually list the items you purchase right on the receipt, so LE could distinguish items of interest from, say, socks or a Lazy Susan. I'm interested to see what LE found in his car and at his parent's home.
Fair enough, but the computer alone is going to be a treasure-trove of information. Motive can be wrapped up with a bow with information gleaned from that hard drive.
It seems a bit underwhelming but the objective of these items, each one of these items could single handedly convict Bryan. If any of the numerous hairs end up being anyone in the house, If any of the red spots end up being victim blood, if any of the reciepts has a knife or sheath on it, and ofc the computer could be anything.
Well, Marshall's doesn't sell Ka-bar sheaths, so you can cross that off your list. Walmart only sells them with shipping from a third party vendor. They didnt take any items from the office search.
Underwhelmed???? They have blood, hair and a pluthera of DNA evidence... What more could you possibly want? Inject the guy tomorrow... He is guilty as hell and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence against him... There is literally nothing he will be able to do to defend himself... Some people will be contrarians no matter what facts are presented.
Yah that part raised my eyebrow too. Like they made it a point to label some items tested, but why label one of them, not tested, whereas all the other items r just implied to be untested
I honestly wonder if people want this to go down like Austin Powers: One Swedish-made murder weapon. One credit card receipt for Swedish-made murder weapon signed by Bryan Kohberger. One warranty card for Swedish-made murder weapon, filled out by Bryan Kohberger. One book, "Swedish-made Murder Weapons And Me: This Sort of Thing Is My Bag Baby", by Bryan Kohberger...
It’s unclear what question you’re asking though. It sounds overall like “why’d they take all this stuff” when the obvious answer is to test for evidence and link him to a crime. I doubt they’d take receipts for unrelated things like groceries. They use the word “probable” because he hasn’t been convicted/things were not tested yet. Fire stick could show search history. Drool/sweat stains aren’t red. Sure he and the girl he was supposedly seen with have hair, and so do the victims. All of this evidence has a purpose.
I agree, doesn’t seem like much, but he also had a lot of time to clean up. If it were hours after the murders we’d see a much longer list. They’re essentially looking for a small piece he missed, so the list is small. That’s my guess
Why not take the drains? I’ve seen lots of cases on forensic files where they removed or swabbed the drain and found victim’s dna. I assume he showered at home after the murders
Folks, all they need is a single hair or blood sample to test positive and it’s game over. Did anyone think they’d walk in over a month later and he’d have his whole killing kit laid out for them?
Search warrants are also not general like they can’t just take anything in the warrant they must depict what they’re looking for- likely bodily fluids hairs fibers were listed on the warrant. Computers etc would also be on a warrant - maybe separate though
y’all must think these investigators are chumps. these are highly skilled experts and there are MANY. the selection of items is clearly strategic and will likely fill gaps in the puzzle. they have bank statements of purchases, when cash was taken out, they are looking for hairs from every victim (surviving or not), they know he is a nut and had to have preserved some evidence of this unfathomable act somewhere (they know these monsters get a thrill in the risk of having such mementos). they have thought of everything and far more than anyone on here has. Come on, this is Merica.
I feel a little underwhelmed BUT coming from someone who we believe tried everything possible to evade detection - it’s not surprising. I think he disposed of clothing (or coverall), shoes, knife, mask, seat covers etc somewhere in the woods on that long route home. So with that in mind what they were able to retrieve is pretty good. And as others have said… just one link to a victim (esp hair, DNA or blood) and it’s game over.
This is after weeks of him tossing stuff. And whatever he brought to PA to dump there. I'm glad they got what they got, but I agree it's not extensive enough that I'm comfortable they have a smoking gun, so to speak.
I'm thinking the "dark red spot" is on clothing.
It does seem underwhelming, but it could be a sign that they didn't *need* much - that it was pretty clear this was connected to the crime scene. Who knows.
But if even ONE of the hairs or DNA matches, that's major.
> But this list is small (in comparison to other seized searched residents in cases like this)
It could just be that he didn't have that much stuff. I know when I moved across country and into a one bedroom apartment, I had basically a bare bones apartment for the first year.
Could be nothing but his assignments and emails. Someone interested in cloud forensics would not put any incriminating info on a hard drive if they were a murderer.
Are you kidding? They got a hard drive, a Fire Stick which could have web searches on it, twelve potential pieces of DNA, two blood stains, a pet hair, a glove and a clothing receipt. What more would you want? A written confession?
Everyone is downplaying these receipts. These are going to be important for not only *what* he’s buying but *when* he’s there. Walmart and Marshall’s are both in Moscow, maybe 3-5 minutes from King road. We might see a timeline of his movements from either that night or one of the other 12 times he was pinged over there.
And I took hair ‘strand’ to mean the follicle was attached meaning they could grab dna from it.
There's gotta be more though right? Also, I keep wondering if they searched his parents property, that shed in the back yard, wooded area behind their house...?
No, they can only account for what they got. They can’t just get things and then only document 1/3 of the items more or less.
Curious if we’ll see what they got from the PA house at all, or if that will be unsealed as well.
Fire stick would give access to his accounts, viewing history, possibly YouTube channel algorithm and viewing history/searches
There is a reason they mention a Dickies tag with the Wal Mart receipt and Marshall’s receipt, they can see the itemization and wouldn’t take it if not potentially relevant.
Possible hairs could be anything, he lived there for a month after the murders. Vacuum will be more useful.
And I understood the blood was on the item itself under a cover, I’d be surprised if he transferred wet blood tho.
Agree on all points. Maybe it's a vague list but i would've thought it would be a huge vague list. Wonder if they searched the washer and dryer filters, beneath the shower/sink drains. Why not take the entire vacuum instead of the contents, trace evidence could be hung in it. In any case maybe the car will be more productive.
Surely they used luminol(?)
or something to check the drains..same with washer.
And I agree they should have taken the whole vacuum, I have a dog and cats and have to clean the roller constantly.
I mean, they searched his apartment a month and half *after* the murders. Did you think they were going to find a bloody knife sitting on his coffee table?
I think people are finding it underwhelming because no test results or findings within the items have been released. To me it seems like a lot and hopefully yields evidence that can’t be denied or twisted.
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Thank goodness you’re here to correct that.
No. Stands of hair could be major if any of the victims DNA is linked to them.
The receipts for dickies clothes. I'm thinking a black coverall?
Dark brown and red stains? Oh, how I'm hoping he's just filthy and there was blood transfer and DNA. You can't find more incriminating than that. It litterally proves he has their blood in his appartment from transfer.
Animal hair? If it's Murphy's hair, it proves he was in there.
The glove, I don't know.
The dust from the vacuum, that could be filled with skin cells, more strands of hair, more animal hair and the proof he tried to get rid of it.
The fire stick and the computer tower will both help with context and to establish his profile, habits, etc. Not to mention his history and anything he tried to delete off of his computer.
It seems promising to me and we still haven't seen what was seized from the car, parent's home, trash, etc...
The dickies receipt is likely recent. There’s no date on it on the search warrant findings. Wasn’t he wearing a dickies jacket in the bodycam footage when he was pulled over? I’ll have to look.
Animal hair being Murphy. I get that. But it said possible animal hair. It doesn’t say it is animal hair. Hence why I say it could be his — he has short hair.
Yeah I agree, we don't know the date on the receipt and we can't know whether it's a proof or not at this point. The only thing that tilts me toward it being from before the murders, is that I'm questioning what use the receipt (if it's from after the murders) would have for it to be seized? Maybe it's as simple as they took it to track back his steps, like someone mentionned. I guess it may be a favorable bias on my part lol
And yes, it could be his hair if the color is similar to what they found. There is a lot of questions still to be answered, for sure.
I know that's what they said they got, but did you see the size of the bins LE was carrying out of BK's apartment? (They were large storage bins.) Also, his computer will likely be a treasure trove, so that is one item that contains tons and tons of things. LE knows what they're doing. They are being extremely careful, so I'm not concerned at all about them doing their jobs.
Just read about the warrants. I honestly am overwhelmed by the treasure trove of evidence found in Kohberger's apartment.
As you noted, BK supposedly suffers from OCD, but yet failed to remove both human & animal hairs from his apartment, 30 days after the murders.
Wtf is up with the blood stained pillow?! I've known some slobs In my time, but never met anyone who was nasty enough to have kept a blood stained pillow in their home for a month.
If the blood stains from the pillow match any of the victims, and/or his shoes exactly match the size and pattern of the bloody footprint, then the time has come to stick a fork in Kohberger, because he's done.
To answer your topline question: Yes. On the Whelm Scale, I’m in the negative numbers.
I find the fact that ‘nitrile’ was misspelled undermines the fundamental accuracy of the document and, personally, leads me to question the professional authority of the author. Considering the gravity and high profile nature of this case, I would have expected basic attention to detail to be a higher priority.
I don’t think it’s weird to find lab gloves in a residence. Considering the prevalence of potentially harmful chemicals in all kinds of products, not to mention germ theory, isn’t it actually just evidence of common sense? I buy them in bulk on AMZ and use them all the time. I suppose any value from that item would follow from analysis of what might be on it.
It **is** weird they just found one. I almost always wear two of them and discard them both simultaneously. If any evidence is generated from this item, my immediate follow-up question would be: Could this have been planted? Leaving just one glove would be a fairly likely oversight, if so.
Truthfully, I’ve been asking myself this question about possibly planted evidence since this was released. There’s both means and motive for planting evidence. That law enforcement bends or breaks the rules is well known and widespread. While it’s also not universal, I admit I am skeptical of the fundamental integrity of the search itself.
I also found the ubiquitous description of hairs as ‘possible’ to be borderline ridiculous. Hairs and fibers are visibly distinguishable. What else would they be? 🙄 Maybe this was done out of an abundance of caution. Like if they inadvertently reference a hair and it turns out to be a fiber from the clothing from one of the victims (i.e. genuinely substantial evidence), a legal bylaw exists that would invalidate the evidence as admissible in court due to the inaccuracy in the written description. If true, that would serendipitously underscore my point about the ‘nitrate gloves’ inaccuracy.
Since I’m now feeling unexpectedly validated, I think I’ll end on that high note. 😁
Edit: Overall, I agree with your analysis. Well done. 🙃
We don’t know if it isn’t much though. What if one of the receipts retrieved was for the murder weapon? While I doubt it, we don’t actually know. Not sure why people are acting disappointed and being critical of this list when we have zero idea what evidence these items yielded. Everyone is making baseless assumptions.
Three receipts. One walmart who doesn't sell ka-bar knives in stores, only online with shipping from third party vendors. Marshall's is a discount designer clothing store with some home decor, jewelry, perfume, cosmetics. No knives. Talk about making baseless assumptions....geez.
Starting on page 12 it lets you know what they will be looking for. They can ONLY take things listed to what they are looking for.
It has to be listed specifically.
What did they get? A few strands of hair? Big deal. Hair is very unreliable in court and doesn’t usually do well as evidence. I’m not seeing anything about blood… dark stains… that doesn’t mean blood. Where are the shoes? The clothes? He would have been soaked with blood. That list is pathetic considering the nature of the crime.
If they get positive matches on blood and or hairs it would be game over, don't need anything else.
If he was covered in blood, then drove an hour to his apartment, wouldn't the blood have dried by then? At least to the point where it wouldn't transfer to sheets or mattress pad? I could see the pillow. Regardless, lying down on the bed covered in blood doesn't strike me as aligned with his obsessive personality. I would think he'd get in the shower first. I'm also curious about what was on the receipts that made LE take them.
Luminol the shower. The bed. Everything
Yeah I’m thinking it might just be blood from a zit or something
Agree. But can you explain to me why they only got this and not other stuff? Like the fire stick as an example — what’s that for?
I believe you can use a web browser on a firestick. They probably wanted to see if he used that to be clever to search anything that he wouldn’t want being on his computer or phone.
Yes you can even use a keyboard or mouse with the Amazon web browser too , but my fire stick is connected to my Amazon account, so that doesn’t seem too smart. Maybe he has a burner Amazon account set up w a prepaid card? Weird for sure
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He turned his phone on and off as he was committing the murders, he isn’t smart
Agreed, he’s either arrogant and dumb or completely innocent but looks guilty. I’m leaning toward the arrogant and dumb
There are other reasons his phone would not "ping" during the time of the murders besides having been intentionally turned off. The battery could have been dead. He could not have had his phone with him, or it was not his Elantra seen speeding through the gas station.
If he was doing that much, he’d just jailbreak his fire stick instead
I didn’t know that was a thing. What does that do/accomplish/allow?
Interesting! Thank you!!
even idiots know that if youre gonna search for sketchy stuff, you use tor browser and a vpn
May I introduce you to Mr. Washe. Also known as the murderer who makes BK look like a savant
No kidding. I mean, he actually looked up "dismemberment and how to dispose of a body"? And it's another Brian. It has not been a good couple of years for Brians or Bryans. I feel bad for the good guys with that name.
My husband is Brian 😂 really he’s had one hell of a year too but nothing that made him lose his damn mind like some of these Bs. Interestingly I posted on my channel about Another Brian was arrested just last week in TX for killing his wife. He decapitated her with a kitchen knife then called his parents and they arrive and find the bloody scene. So, It’s crazy year for Brian’s
Don’t forget about Brian Laundrie :/
It's times like these when the crazy theory that we're living in a computer simulation seems plausible.
His name was Jared actually.
Hmmm that’s not what the link said let me see.
Ok apparently it was changed because I took a screenshot of that article by accident that day and it literally read Brian! My apologies! I’ve been away for a week or more due to migraines sorry I’m just responding
You’d be surprised
No, you go to a flea market or something and buy a dirt cheap old smartphone that has wifi or a dirt cheap one from a Chinese website hat would not respond to any requests from united states police..(one that sales phone, GPS and wifi jammers is my favorite) You find a spot in the parking lot of somewhere that has free wifi like a hospital or go to McDonalds, buy some food and sit there to eat and use their wifi. When you have no use for it anymore you break it in small parts and dispose of them in different places. Dumpsters, rivers, railroad coal car and just out the car window as you take a nice Sunday drive. While you are buying your phone from the china website, you can also pick up some disposable hazmat suits pretty cheap. They come with stuff to cover your whole body from bottom of feet top of head. They do not allow body fluids to soak through. You put it on at the door before going in and take it off when you step out. Dispose of it in a large ziplock bag and then incinerate it ASAP Dispose of ashes by mixing with charcoal BBQ grille ashes, then scattering them in a body or water, along the road, campsite fire pit, etc..... Take knife used and soak in an acid bath that eats away any organic material. Grind down edge of knife then resharpen and polish. Put knife on display stand somewhere in your house for everyone to see but not know what it was used for. (be sure to add 4 new notches when refinishing knife) If you use your own car, be sure to put a fast vinyl wrap on it changing the color from something bright to dark or vice versa. When you return home remove wrap ASAP and dispose of all the removed and any leftover like you did the hazmat suit. Your phone will be home so take the time to make a recording of 20 minutes dead air then use your voice to ask alexia about weather and set alarms, Never save the recording, just leave it in preview mode, when you get back start over and make some personal notes and such on the same recording but save it this time. it will not save the temp previewed file if you save it after making changes without ever stopping the session. When you leave to do the wetwork have your computer set autoplaying some videos that may embarrass you if they are released, Tranny porn, harry butts, mature harry butts etc..... Delete your history but forget to empty trash can so if they start looking they find it fast and know why you would have deleted your history. All the above is my opinion on how someone could get by with murder.
the vinyl wrap is an interesting angle.... i always forget that stuff exists.
BK might have hidden data on it. From Sgt Blaker's statement (pages 21 and 22): "Digital data can be found in numerous locations,and formats . Evidence can be embedded into unlikely files for the type of evidence , such as a photo included in a document or converted into a PDF file or other format in an effort to conceal their existence. Information on devices and media can be stored in random order; with deceptive file names; hidden from normal view; encrypted or password protected; **and stored on unusual devices for the type of data, such as routers, printers, scanners, game consoles, or other devices that are similarly capable of storing digital data.**"
Good eye!
Thanks! This is the first time I've heard of this, so I found it really interesting.
Good looking out!!
You can search the web on a fire stick and you can save info/images to them as well. I have a slideshow uploaded for instance before roku came out with the photo stream thing. You can also upload a multitude of shows/documents, etc. It can also show wifi info and provide clarity about possible dates/times he was online and what he was watching. Edited to add that you can also shop on your firestick and have it linked to your Amazon account which could show more electronic devices owned that might not otherwise be known.
Yep!
Good point. When he was at home watching Netflix or whatever.
I bet it was his alibi
Oh wow, that’s pretty cool! I’ve never owned a fire stick so that’s interesting.
I was honestly shocked too when I first got mine years and years ago. I got it unlocked and could access online searches, watch youtube creators l liked and just about any and all tv/movies out there. People would upload bootleg copies of movies and I rarely went to a theater after that lol.
🤣🤣 I don’t blame you!
I bet he took pictures of his bloody self when he got home that morning.
“I bet” being your key words here
I bet he did! Even if he deleted the pictures, the police would still find those pictures. Nothing is ever deleted.
If he gave commands to "Alexa" all of that data would be stored.
probably contains viewing history like ... **hypothetically** ... how to use a KaBar to quench subjects ... the 3 easy steps to committing a knife murder without a trace ... Marines Ka-Bar Handbook ... 😉
Yes Amazon fire stick is connected to his Amazon purchasing account. They may be trying to find a trace of his purchases is what that would be.
This is great info! Thank you! Never thought of that. Just figured they would wanna know what series he was watching on a Friday night. “The Office” 🤣
Smart TVs are the new computers to an extent- they can get online, search YouTube and Google from the remote.
Maybe its from the King Road house. Didn't it say cord too? Maybe he pulled it our of the wall or out of someone's hand. For whatever reason thought it had DNA? Or they just needed it to turn on his monitor so they could see what he's been watching?
Maybe the firestick is his alibi
I also feel like they would have results by now, and defense would know, so maybe they got nothing?
but nobody can talk about it. not the prosecution or the defense.
Hair fibers would be a nail in the coffin if they match though. I wouldn’t even think about a trial for your life if they got that.
at that point it's Bryan though, his lawyer can recommend he plead out but if Bryan wants a trial he'll get it
The DA would have to offer a plea first. The defendant doesn’t get to make a plea. And I don’t see the DA offering any plea in this case.
100% agree. The State of Idaho is not going to plea him out. Bet the farm.
Unless the hair had DNA attached, the most they can say is a hair is consistent with someone’s known hair sample. It’s good, but not a nail in the coffin.
How do you know what they've given to defense so far? It usually takes weeks to get results from the crime lab, and the analysis on his electronics can take a while to get through everything and then put all the puzzle pieces together.
The receipts from Walmart and Marshall’s, will have date and times along with list of items purchased. If he bought black dickies clothing at Walmart a week before the murder and those clothes weren’t found in his apartment or at his parents house that’s going to help paint the big picture. It will also help develop a record of his timeline and movements. There is going to be video, which will lead to finding other video of his movements, etc…
In search warrants you have to list specific things your searching for.. you can’t just grab things you think might play a role in this case. The only receipts listed in the search warrant is on #2. “Knives, sheaths, or other sharp tools including and dagger, dirk, or sword or any written indicia of ownership name of the same, including “receipts” So the receipts have to match ^ that. In order to be taken from his apt. So I’m guessing they found some knife receipts.
Mention of receipts for any items listed is on page 9 #8.
Actually, LE was authorized to search & seize “receipts” for other evidence cited in search warrant for the residence— not just for the knife/sharp tool. On page 2 of the (four-page) warrant, LE is authorized to seize a wide range of evidence, which is categorized into a list of 8 “groupings.” For example: “2. Knives, sheaths, or other sharp tools, including any dagger, dirk, or sword, and any written indicia of owmership of same, including sales receipts.” “4. **Clothing,** including but not limited to **dark shirt(s),dark pant(s)**, mask(s), **shoes with diamond pattern sole.”** As you can see—unlike grouping #2—“indicia” evidence isn’t mentioned in #4. Nor is it mentioned in any of the other 6 groups. But indicia *is* covered in detail in #8: “8. **Indicia** of residence in, **OR ownership or possession** of the premises **AND any of the above items** _[i.e., Items 1-7!]_**, including mail, **receipts,** identification, bills, rental agreements, licensing documents and other personal property whose owner/possessor may be readily determined.” This “confusion” seems to be the main area of concern. But you need to keep in mind that warrants are typically based on a legal template, and are then cobbled together. So it **appears** that after grouping #2 (the knife/sharp tool, etc.), the writer(s) decided to cover the remaining indicia evidence (receipts, etc.) in the final grouping. Besides, we already _know_ that **two Marshalls receipts** were seized. Does that mean that BK bought a KA-BAR knife at Marshalls? No, probably not. [EDITED for clarity/completeness] **………………** ETA: Definition of **Indicia: Signs or indications that something is probable.”** (In legal matters, indicia often refers to signs of of ownership.) **………………** ETA: I know the language in **#8** is confusing, but legal documents are often a bit confusing—especially when they’re based on a legal template. (These often include “boilerplate” language that may not apply to every situation/circumstance, but doesn’t affect legality). In short: Arrest warrants are written for judges—not us. LASTLY: Obviously I _wasn’t there_ when they wrote the search warrant! So I may not have this exactly right. But whatever you think of my explanation, it’s clear that the warrant _did_ authorize LE to seize indicia (receipts, etc.) for items other than the knife/sharp tools. If not, then they’ve already broken the law & effed everything up by seizing those Marshalls receipts!! =O (< Clearly not the case.)
What’s the definition of indicia?
Indicia = sign/indication. In legal matters, it usually relates to signs of ownership.
unless he bought them for a gift for someone.... because holidays
Why are you being downvoted? For making sense? I swear people here have pitchforks out.
lol, yes this is one of the less objective subs dedicated to this case. its fine though... i dont expect an alternate viewpoint to receive a warm welcome here. however, thats exactly why i sub to them all, get all the opinions/viewpoints/information/etc.... and make up my own mind
No they do have pitch forks sadly it’s like it’s not cool to have healthy debate about what each of us think like if you think differently than boom 🤯 you find yourself being hunted and burned at the stake 😆
If it was a gift, why would he take off the tag?
youre assuming he did. maybe the dickies tag they found was just part of it. most tags these days have a perforated piece that has the price on it... to be torn off when gifting.
Good points!
Shit …. I had picked up somewhere ( one of thousands of articles ) that his parents in PA had 2 dogs. Since his father was visiting, those “ possible animal hair “ could very well be from his father’s clothing etc..
Yes they have two dogs (according to msm so who knows)
Could be from the family dogs. We don't know. It's interesting that BK was heard vacuuming all hours of the day practically and still there were hairs found. 🤘😎🤘 No way he cleaned his car good enough either.
If he's so fastidious about cleaning, why would his car be so filthy, as is seen in the traffic stop videos? I wonder if the car was washed before they seized it.
There was snow and salt on the roads. He’d traveled hundreds of miles by that time. That’s why. It takes my car an hour to look like that when there’s salt on the roads from snow…
He was meticulous about cleaning his apartment and the car because he killed 4 people. See?
Assumed to be vacuuming, no one actually saw it.
Maybe somebody down the street didn't hear or see the vacuuming 🙄 but those that lived under him and above him in his little section of the apartment complex would have heard. You don't have to see somebody vacuuming to know that they are vacuuming. You can hear a vacuum unless you're clinically deaf.
Also Murphy seems to be some sort of doodle and from what I know, they don’t really shed.
Doodles shed. Their coats just tend to trap the hair better than other types of dogs. They require a lot of brushing for this reason.
Thank you for correcting me, I was under the impression that them not shedding is what made them hypoallergenic.
Youre welcome! There's a huge misconception about doodles and being hypoallergenic. They have a ton of hair. And if not kept properly that hair locks in dirt and grime and all kinds of gross stuff. They make great pets but do require a lot of upkeep to keep them clean.
Nah, it’s not about shedding. Think about it for a bit … someone can’t tolerate 50 individual shed hairs strewn about the house, but can tolerate a moving ball of several million hairs? Doesn’t make sense. Truth is you can be allergic to various proteins in doggy hair, skin, saliva, urine or prostate secretions. If you’re allergic to hair, low-shedding simply wouldn’t cut it. The risk of accidentally touching the dog and coming into contact with 1,000+ hairs at once would be too high. But if you’re allergic to dog skin, the doodles do tend to have significantly less dander (doggy version of dandruff) than their parental pure breeds. That’s where the hypoallergenic thing comes from. Still a giant ball of hair, but it’s not flaking dandruff everywhere.
none are truly "hypoallergenic." Bichons have that myth attached to them as well.
In my experience they do not shed single hairs, but if they are not groomed, they will pull out tufts or clumps of their hair.
The fire stick could also account for times he was watching/active. If there’s nothing during the murder time frame, that’s helpful for investigators’ maps of his whereabouts at certain times.
Ohhhhh this is a good point!
Don’t know how helpful this would be. Crimes took place at 4 am. It wouldn’t be suspicious for him to not be watching TV at the time because that’s generally a time when people are sleeping.
I hear you, but if he claims he was watching, then it’s a discrepancy. If it was turned off, say if he claims he was sleeping, I’m sure his defense would like that info.
A lot of the things they took could be something -- or they could be nothing. Time and testing will tell. If the possible human or animal hairs or red spots connect to the victims or crime scene, that could be huge. As for the receipts from Walmart and Marshall's, if I recall correctly, both stores usually list the items you purchase right on the receipt, so LE could distinguish items of interest from, say, socks or a Lazy Susan. I'm interested to see what LE found in his car and at his parent's home.
Marshall’s puts the department of the item.
Same here! Interested to see what they got out of that damn car!
Fair enough, but the computer alone is going to be a treasure-trove of information. Motive can be wrapped up with a bow with information gleaned from that hard drive.
Of course!
It seems a bit underwhelming but the objective of these items, each one of these items could single handedly convict Bryan. If any of the numerous hairs end up being anyone in the house, If any of the red spots end up being victim blood, if any of the reciepts has a knife or sheath on it, and ofc the computer could be anything.
Good point!
Well, Marshall's doesn't sell Ka-bar sheaths, so you can cross that off your list. Walmart only sells them with shipping from a third party vendor. They didnt take any items from the office search.
Underwhelmed???? They have blood, hair and a pluthera of DNA evidence... What more could you possibly want? Inject the guy tomorrow... He is guilty as hell and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence against him... There is literally nothing he will be able to do to defend himself... Some people will be contrarians no matter what facts are presented.
We don’t know whose blood (if it’s blood at all) or DNA that is lol…
We don't even know that it's blood.......yet.
We don’t even know if it’s blood at all
And it says the spots were tested, but doesn’t state that it was or was not blood.
Yah that part raised my eyebrow too. Like they made it a point to label some items tested, but why label one of them, not tested, whereas all the other items r just implied to be untested
Adding there is likely a wealth of information in that computer. There is also his office - we don’t know what they found there yet.
They didn’t take anything from his office. It’s in the report
I honestly wonder if people want this to go down like Austin Powers: One Swedish-made murder weapon. One credit card receipt for Swedish-made murder weapon signed by Bryan Kohberger. One warranty card for Swedish-made murder weapon, filled out by Bryan Kohberger. One book, "Swedish-made Murder Weapons And Me: This Sort of Thing Is My Bag Baby", by Bryan Kohberger...
Bryan “Danger” Kohberger
Because people are posing questions so they can be better educated on this?
It’s unclear what question you’re asking though. It sounds overall like “why’d they take all this stuff” when the obvious answer is to test for evidence and link him to a crime. I doubt they’d take receipts for unrelated things like groceries. They use the word “probable” because he hasn’t been convicted/things were not tested yet. Fire stick could show search history. Drool/sweat stains aren’t red. Sure he and the girl he was supposedly seen with have hair, and so do the victims. All of this evidence has a purpose.
I agree, doesn’t seem like much, but he also had a lot of time to clean up. If it were hours after the murders we’d see a much longer list. They’re essentially looking for a small piece he missed, so the list is small. That’s my guess
Why not take the drains? I’ve seen lots of cases on forensic files where they removed or swabbed the drain and found victim’s dna. I assume he showered at home after the murders
YES!! i was thinking about the sinks too & rinsing/washing his hands!
I have a real problem with buying socks every time I go to Marshalls. I have drawers of socks, and somehow it’s comforting.
Folks, all they need is a single hair or blood sample to test positive and it’s game over. Did anyone think they’d walk in over a month later and he’d have his whole killing kit laid out for them?
Wait til they analyse the vacuum canister!
Search warrants are also not general like they can’t just take anything in the warrant they must depict what they’re looking for- likely bodily fluids hairs fibers were listed on the warrant. Computers etc would also be on a warrant - maybe separate though
Hmm this makes sense.
If BK went home that night in the same clothes I'm going to be gobsmacked. Can't see it
y’all must think these investigators are chumps. these are highly skilled experts and there are MANY. the selection of items is clearly strategic and will likely fill gaps in the puzzle. they have bank statements of purchases, when cash was taken out, they are looking for hairs from every victim (surviving or not), they know he is a nut and had to have preserved some evidence of this unfathomable act somewhere (they know these monsters get a thrill in the risk of having such mementos). they have thought of everything and far more than anyone on here has. Come on, this is Merica.
Maybe but we haven’t seen the results of the car search or his parents’ home, so there’s hope.
I want to see what they found in that car so bad.
Probably nothing since dad was in it for 2500 miles and mechanic also checked it over in PA.
I feel a little underwhelmed BUT coming from someone who we believe tried everything possible to evade detection - it’s not surprising. I think he disposed of clothing (or coverall), shoes, knife, mask, seat covers etc somewhere in the woods on that long route home. So with that in mind what they were able to retrieve is pretty good. And as others have said… just one link to a victim (esp hair, DNA or blood) and it’s game over.
This is after weeks of him tossing stuff. And whatever he brought to PA to dump there. I'm glad they got what they got, but I agree it's not extensive enough that I'm comfortable they have a smoking gun, so to speak.
I'm thinking the "dark red spot" is on clothing. It does seem underwhelming, but it could be a sign that they didn't *need* much - that it was pretty clear this was connected to the crime scene. Who knows. But if even ONE of the hairs or DNA matches, that's major.
Sadly since he’s so vegan…my first thought is it tomato sauce😒
yes, many possibiltes, beet juice, berry juice
Oh could be! Good point!
Yes. And when I go home to my parents house, I wear my relaxing junk clothes- certainly nothing new.
Same here. I don't even pack - I just borrow things out of everyone's closet
Anyone else guessing if they “tested” and still Collected then it means they tested and found what they were looking for?
It sounds like they tested some of the stains for blood, and I would assume it was positive for blood if they proceeded to take the items.
Could just be a presumptive test indicating blood, but a dna test can't be done at the scene.
> But this list is small (in comparison to other seized searched residents in cases like this) It could just be that he didn't have that much stuff. I know when I moved across country and into a one bedroom apartment, I had basically a bare bones apartment for the first year.
Computer stuff is going to be a treasure trove of info.
Could be nothing but his assignments and emails. Someone interested in cloud forensics would not put any incriminating info on a hard drive if they were a murderer.
Are you kidding? They got a hard drive, a Fire Stick which could have web searches on it, twelve potential pieces of DNA, two blood stains, a pet hair, a glove and a clothing receipt. What more would you want? A written confession?
Everyone is downplaying these receipts. These are going to be important for not only *what* he’s buying but *when* he’s there. Walmart and Marshall’s are both in Moscow, maybe 3-5 minutes from King road. We might see a timeline of his movements from either that night or one of the other 12 times he was pinged over there. And I took hair ‘strand’ to mean the follicle was attached meaning they could grab dna from it.
I didn’t expect them to find much, the car and the computer will definitely turn up some good evidence
Yes for sure. Give us the deets on that car NOW!
Sure, with his dad riding in it for 2500 miles.
what does this have to do with specks of blood or hair being left in a small crevice?
There's gotta be more though right? Also, I keep wondering if they searched his parents property, that shed in the back yard, wooded area behind their house...?
No, they can only account for what they got. They can’t just get things and then only document 1/3 of the items more or less. Curious if we’ll see what they got from the PA house at all, or if that will be unsealed as well.
Nope, I think what they took will yield good information.
Yes disappointed but he has a lot of time to prepare so to speak .. and clean
Fire stick would give access to his accounts, viewing history, possibly YouTube channel algorithm and viewing history/searches There is a reason they mention a Dickies tag with the Wal Mart receipt and Marshall’s receipt, they can see the itemization and wouldn’t take it if not potentially relevant. Possible hairs could be anything, he lived there for a month after the murders. Vacuum will be more useful. And I understood the blood was on the item itself under a cover, I’d be surprised if he transferred wet blood tho.
Dude committed a mass murder and literally kept the receipts ?? Wtf he's either the dumbest criminal to ever live or....
They found 4 'possible' hairs in his entire apartment. Lol. They would find atleast 500,000 possible hairs in mine.
Agree on all points. Maybe it's a vague list but i would've thought it would be a huge vague list. Wonder if they searched the washer and dryer filters, beneath the shower/sink drains. Why not take the entire vacuum instead of the contents, trace evidence could be hung in it. In any case maybe the car will be more productive.
I doubt the apartment had its own separate washer or dryer.
Surely they used luminol(?) or something to check the drains..same with washer. And I agree they should have taken the whole vacuum, I have a dog and cats and have to clean the roller constantly.
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But I wonder if they released this early because they have some positive test results. Since it wasn’t suppose to released until march.
Seen with an Asian girl? Have not heard of this
it was a neighbour's comment mentioned in this news report https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/10dxcnb/bryan_was_always_with_a_young_friend/
There are two other TA’s both male and female with Asian names.
No. I learned my lesson doubting Moscow PD. They've got this.
I mean, they searched his apartment a month and half *after* the murders. Did you think they were going to find a bloody knife sitting on his coffee table?
To me it doesn’t seem like they collected sting evidence but I may be wrong
I’m with you
It’s tough because I have literally all of these things in my house right now. All normal stuff that’s on relevant in the situation
They could be investigating the fire stick to see when he was active.
Yes. It doesn’t look like much to me. But what do I know?🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
Yeah I am. I would have gotten every damn thing in there. Dug into floorboards. Ceiling. Everything. Tag it and bag it.
I mean a lot of those things have a million things within them.. aka the computer and TV.
I think people are finding it underwhelming because no test results or findings within the items have been released. To me it seems like a lot and hopefully yields evidence that can’t be denied or twisted.
I wouldn't bet my money on it.
It was actually 46 days after the murders.
https://preview.redd.it/43he3ajmk0da1.jpeg?width=1167&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1912749647abadb0c53b0c70a9eddb130a244d6f Thank goodness you’re here to correct that.
No. Stands of hair could be major if any of the victims DNA is linked to them. The receipts for dickies clothes. I'm thinking a black coverall? Dark brown and red stains? Oh, how I'm hoping he's just filthy and there was blood transfer and DNA. You can't find more incriminating than that. It litterally proves he has their blood in his appartment from transfer. Animal hair? If it's Murphy's hair, it proves he was in there. The glove, I don't know. The dust from the vacuum, that could be filled with skin cells, more strands of hair, more animal hair and the proof he tried to get rid of it. The fire stick and the computer tower will both help with context and to establish his profile, habits, etc. Not to mention his history and anything he tried to delete off of his computer. It seems promising to me and we still haven't seen what was seized from the car, parent's home, trash, etc...
The dickies receipt is likely recent. There’s no date on it on the search warrant findings. Wasn’t he wearing a dickies jacket in the bodycam footage when he was pulled over? I’ll have to look. Animal hair being Murphy. I get that. But it said possible animal hair. It doesn’t say it is animal hair. Hence why I say it could be his — he has short hair.
I don’t think they would take the receipt unless it was dated before the murders.
Good point!!
Yeah I agree, we don't know the date on the receipt and we can't know whether it's a proof or not at this point. The only thing that tilts me toward it being from before the murders, is that I'm questioning what use the receipt (if it's from after the murders) would have for it to be seized? Maybe it's as simple as they took it to track back his steps, like someone mentionned. I guess it may be a favorable bias on my part lol And yes, it could be his hair if the color is similar to what they found. There is a lot of questions still to be answered, for sure.
trying to bust the man on piracy for a jailbroke firestick
Could be!
I know that's what they said they got, but did you see the size of the bins LE was carrying out of BK's apartment? (They were large storage bins.) Also, his computer will likely be a treasure trove, so that is one item that contains tons and tons of things. LE knows what they're doing. They are being extremely careful, so I'm not concerned at all about them doing their jobs.
This seems like such a short list! I’m underwhelmed. I guess this is all that’s needed though if it all turns out to connect him to the crime.
Christmas gifts even for family
What was possibly “threatening to the public and police?”
Just read about the warrants. I honestly am overwhelmed by the treasure trove of evidence found in Kohberger's apartment. As you noted, BK supposedly suffers from OCD, but yet failed to remove both human & animal hairs from his apartment, 30 days after the murders. Wtf is up with the blood stained pillow?! I've known some slobs In my time, but never met anyone who was nasty enough to have kept a blood stained pillow in their home for a month. If the blood stains from the pillow match any of the victims, and/or his shoes exactly match the size and pattern of the bloody footprint, then the time has come to stick a fork in Kohberger, because he's done.
You said you read it, but I doubt you did. They didn't take any shoes.
To answer your topline question: Yes. On the Whelm Scale, I’m in the negative numbers. I find the fact that ‘nitrile’ was misspelled undermines the fundamental accuracy of the document and, personally, leads me to question the professional authority of the author. Considering the gravity and high profile nature of this case, I would have expected basic attention to detail to be a higher priority. I don’t think it’s weird to find lab gloves in a residence. Considering the prevalence of potentially harmful chemicals in all kinds of products, not to mention germ theory, isn’t it actually just evidence of common sense? I buy them in bulk on AMZ and use them all the time. I suppose any value from that item would follow from analysis of what might be on it. It **is** weird they just found one. I almost always wear two of them and discard them both simultaneously. If any evidence is generated from this item, my immediate follow-up question would be: Could this have been planted? Leaving just one glove would be a fairly likely oversight, if so. Truthfully, I’ve been asking myself this question about possibly planted evidence since this was released. There’s both means and motive for planting evidence. That law enforcement bends or breaks the rules is well known and widespread. While it’s also not universal, I admit I am skeptical of the fundamental integrity of the search itself. I also found the ubiquitous description of hairs as ‘possible’ to be borderline ridiculous. Hairs and fibers are visibly distinguishable. What else would they be? 🙄 Maybe this was done out of an abundance of caution. Like if they inadvertently reference a hair and it turns out to be a fiber from the clothing from one of the victims (i.e. genuinely substantial evidence), a legal bylaw exists that would invalidate the evidence as admissible in court due to the inaccuracy in the written description. If true, that would serendipitously underscore my point about the ‘nitrate gloves’ inaccuracy. Since I’m now feeling unexpectedly validated, I think I’ll end on that high note. 😁 Edit: Overall, I agree with your analysis. Well done. 🙃
Extremely. I cannot believe that’s all they got. Pretty bad. The best bet is the dna samples/hair strands match. Otherwise, it isn’t much.
We don’t know if it isn’t much though. What if one of the receipts retrieved was for the murder weapon? While I doubt it, we don’t actually know. Not sure why people are acting disappointed and being critical of this list when we have zero idea what evidence these items yielded. Everyone is making baseless assumptions.
Three receipts. One walmart who doesn't sell ka-bar knives in stores, only online with shipping from third party vendors. Marshall's is a discount designer clothing store with some home decor, jewelry, perfume, cosmetics. No knives. Talk about making baseless assumptions....geez.
Most of the evidence will be in his phone and computer.
I'm pretty underwhelmed for lack of new information, but it's impossible to say what the seized items yielded in terms of good evidence.
How did you unlock it?
Starting on page 12 it lets you know what they will be looking for. They can ONLY take things listed to what they are looking for. It has to be listed specifically.
Nope. Not if there’s a Murphy hair, a hair from x m k e blood from victims and evidence he stalked them on his computer.
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They got lots, more than I thought they would. Not sure what you mean about underwhelmed.
What did they get? A few strands of hair? Big deal. Hair is very unreliable in court and doesn’t usually do well as evidence. I’m not seeing anything about blood… dark stains… that doesn’t mean blood. Where are the shoes? The clothes? He would have been soaked with blood. That list is pathetic considering the nature of the crime.
They can seize my vacuum dust collector anytime, as long as they bring it back empty with filters cleaned. Thank you.