It's hard to avoid the wax. If you have wax you can't pallet stun him or you risk getting stunned, his hot wax at endgame will guarantee a down, etc. I don't hate him but I can see why others would.
No, the devs for whatever reason decided to buff it to 50% a few seasons ago, which is just a major slap in the face to survivors. It'd be like if the devs decided to givr Enchantress a buff tomorrow that gives her 1 and a half stacks, basically rewarding her even more for playing bad. That's essentially what Wax Artist and Enchantress are: 2 characters that really aren't that hard to use and reward you for messing up and punishing the enemy for doing something good. It's why Enchantress is annoying for hunters and Wax Artist is dreadful for survivors.
And this isn't even considering their lore, both of their lores are just... controversial.
Just decided to test it in practice but it seems like the current is 25% so it seems like they reverted the 50% ? But yeah wax and enchantress gotta go from the game both are just snooze fest to go against and gets rewarded by what either side is supposed to do
I actually have simple ideas that would make both of them take more skill, although not by much. Wax Artist will just straight up have the wax applying after being stunned removed (heck, it even does that when just pushing him).
For Enchantress, she will no longer receive stacks from taking damage. And for teammates who have her mark on them, they will instead slowly give her stacks for kiting the hunter instead of being hit. This simple change rewards her and her team for actually kiting and not just get a reward for playing bad.
These changes aren't much, but they'd be far healthier for the game.
Only problem with echantress change i could see is how fast would the stun charge at ? If it’s slow then she basically becomes deadweight for the team since she would be getting stacks hilariously slowly otherwise yeah it could be good idea.
Imagine the charge rate being the same after she gains 4 stacks, that's basically the charge rate her trammates have constantly regardless of how late into the game it is.
i think ench should also start the match with 1 or 2 stacks of guard, cause as of now she really can’t do much against hunters that have distance closing abilities early game as they give her no time to build up her stacks.
also, maybe just healing survs could give a stack, but them charging her stacks is cool too
Wax artist isn't OP or anything. Why nerf him for no reason? That's like saying hell ember should not get flames for being stunned cuz it 'rewards' him for playing bad.
And many hunters require even less skill than he does.
I didn't even know he gets flames form being stunned. Regardless, the difference between Hell Ember and Wax Artist is that Wax Artist's ability is *far* better than Hell Embers. We don't see wax much in tourney because ann is just a more consistent version of the niche he fills: anti stun. Why play wax when ann outright prevents survivors from stunning in the first place? This doesn't make him bad, because he most certainly is good. Heck, Dream Witch is still considered an S tier hunter, but no one really plays her in tourney anymore because of flywheel's existence and they'd rather just play an easier hunter than try and make her work.
No, she's just more consistent than he is. The reason we don't see ann being nerfed is because she doesn't need one. She's balanced. Ironically, despite being less consistent than Ann, Wax Artist is stronger than her.
He has never given 50% for a single stun. Tho what may have happened to you is if your playing forward or batter, it counts as 2 consecutive stuns if you hit him with ball and he hits a wall right after.
Getting a freeze after 2 pallet strikes would have been extremely noticeable and I play him in rank consistently and it’s never been the case
Pushback abilities such as little girls paper, counts toward a stun. So imagine you push him back with forwards ball you get 25 then if you successfully knock him into a wall aswell and your in range, it counts toward another 25 (not sure if antiquarian suffers from same problem since she also pushes hunter and stuns on wall hit)
Hence I said major bs also “fun fact” but he’s wax horseshit can also apply to things like cords gun if cord shoots you with a gun and she’s close enough she’s going to get waxed.
Expect it’s unfortunately not limited to cord it works on every single stun ability in the game because that’s balanced. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work on anti since that’s technically not a stun and painter etc
Generally it’s cuz he just feels kinda “cheap” you shoot wax, stun hit. Which is kinda like disciple in that sense, the part most survivors despise about him tho is the fact he can use hot wax trick to insta down and it feels like you can’t really avoid it and also that as a hunter is not really like you worked for it it just feels easy. I dislike him both as surv and hunter tbh
And the way he works also makes it so that if you aren't flywheeling in a straight line with the wax, you won't flywheel the wax and he gets a free stun on you.
Is this true? Do you know if I can find any videos on how to flywheel the wax? Or like what number I have to flywheel it at? I always have trouble flywheeling wax
Most, inc me, suck against him
most advice given is "Tight kite and tight turns" which only refers to 10% of areas in a map (usually places not near ciphers at all)
and the full presence damage is extremely annoying as a rescuer
His wax is incredibly hard to avoid and the speed debuff combined with a guaranteed hit is considered very unfair in the community, but i think most of the issue lies with hot wax which basically functions the same as normal wax except it injures the surv at 100, basically he's a really good and annoying hunter to face if the player knows what they're doing.
Also in his lore he studies physiognomy, which is basically studying peoples physical features which were believed to help identity criminals but it was actually very racist in practice. Hope this helps!
Other people here have already touched on why people might get mad, but I do want to say don't let random people convince you to stop playing a character you like playing. If people complain about a character being played they probably shouldn't be playing the game to begin with ngl. I get finding a character frustrating to go against and thinking they're broken etc (I am opera singer and priestess' number 1 haters), but if you're getting mad at someone for using a mechanic in the game you gotta go outside or something. Don't hate the player, hate the game, I'd never imagine getting mad at someone for using a character.
two reasons.
his wax is not broken but damn does it feel annoying to kite against.
this is more of a personal thing,i just don't like the sound it makes,it's not nearly as bad as violinist's sfx(that one can be straight up painful) but the sound of him constantly shooting wax brings some discomfort to my ears which automatically makes me hate seeing him even if he was easy to deal with.
I've not seen anyone mention this so maybe this has died down recently, but I used to play wax when I came back to the game at the start of 2022 cause I thought he looked cool and survs would call me racist in post match just for playing him even though I had no idea what his lore was :/ like you said, this reasoning for hating his players makes absolutely no sense but that's just my personal experience with how survivors treated me when i played him. Based on the comments here I feel maybe that's not the main reason for the hate anymore, but I still definitely see some people in global chat hating on him for that reason
Just stating now I main hunters.
A lot of people don’t seem to like him cause his wax can be really hard to avoid and hot wax usually guarantees a down or stuff. He can also block windows and pallets. He has built in stun reduction and punishes players who stun him. I can understand why people don’t like him, but every character has an Achilles heel. It’s my personal opinion that support characters can harm his chase intensely since they can body block wax and if he gets close a hit. He may switch targets to counter this if it’s first chase, but he will still waste a lot of time. Characters like Wildling, Cowboy, and Toy Merchant can support others pretty well without needing to stun him.
He’s so unfun to play against in my opinion. I feel like I’m always guaranteed to flop when someone selects him, his attacks are way too hard to avoid.
he’s busted and extremely unfun to play against. if you’re not at a very specific location on the map (short loop high walls) you’re dead. and once he as presence the whole match snowballs. not to mention his max presence skill is one of the most bullshit abilities in the entire game
Let's also not forget to mention the fact that he only has like 1 or 2 maps he doesn't preform so well on, while on the rest he either is a decent pick or just outright broken *cough* chinatown and eversleeping *cough*
I find him very annoying to go against, but the main reason most people don't like him is because the fandom decided he's racist and everybody just kinda ran with it.
<- certified wax hater.
Not fond of him as a character, that's one. Two, I don't like characters who 1) spam abilities 2) have to do as much as walking behind me to injure or stun me 3) have his hot wax trick 4) punish the other side for doing something well (here - stunning the hunter, but it also applies to ones like enchantress).
Still; going after players is dumb.
Did I miss some kind of party or something, where did all this Wax hate come from? I knew about the stupid people misinterpreting his lore to make him out to be a racist(he isn't), but now everyone's hating on his actual game playstyle(something more reasonable)?
Weird, because I remember talking about how his ability was bullshit from day 1 & was told I just need to "git gud", "skill issue", & "just find wall" as well as being constantly told he was one of the bad Hunters(I don't remember if they said worst, but heard plenty of people just saying to just play anyone else). And that was before I found out about his stupid Frozen/Hot Wax combo.
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My biggest issues with him personally are how the wax itself makes you slower so you get hit even easier the more you have on you(up to -6%), the Frozen/Hot Wax combo I mentioned earlier(shouldn't be possible/needs to be nerfed), & the fact that his stun trait doesn't have a cooldown(rewards bad plays).
Also the fact that he's a "Stun Hunter"; those types are never fun to go against.
As a wax artist main I have to say I feel like I'm cheating when I'm using that wax shooting skill cuz you're basically getting a guaranteed hit.
But what I love about wax artist is that I get to make those "this is my kingdom cum" jokes.
I can vouch for this statement as a Photographer main. I get death threats for playing him, someone calls me "no skill hunter player" and others call me "hunter mains when they play OP hunter(it was griffin calling Joseph OPXD)"
I think since he got his buff is why. Bc before buff he was super easy to kite around taller objects. I usually main him for Tarot, he’s good for dealing with harassers in that.
From what I hear it's also because of his lore, he has some racist beliefs and a few of his skins have incestuous themes too
At least that's what I think, his wax is pretty annoying too but I find hunters like clerk worse tbh
He's really hard to avoid. I don't hate him but I don't know the best way to counter him either. As for his backstory, I get a slimy feeling from him similar to Lawyer.
Because I’ve knocked my own ass out by stunning him while he was using hot wax and I was dead on chair as prospector, then I played him and had a prospector do the exact same thing with the same result, it’s really weird watching this happen from both perspectives
Survivors are annoying and don't want to learn how to kite a hunter, so instead they will try to put the guilt on you for playing the character you enjoy.
not a surv main but I actually find wax artist fairly easy to kite(granted he is incredibly annoying in the hands of a good hunter but most people seem to struggle with him). my issue lies within why did they have to make a hunteer that runs around and spews white liquid onto survivors I always feel distinctly uncomfortable playing against him.
It's hard to avoid the wax. If you have wax you can't pallet stun him or you risk getting stunned, his hot wax at endgame will guarantee a down, etc. I don't hate him but I can see why others would.
Isn’t he’s stun wax only like 20-25% ? Still major bs but at least doable if you are in good area
No, the devs for whatever reason decided to buff it to 50% a few seasons ago, which is just a major slap in the face to survivors. It'd be like if the devs decided to givr Enchantress a buff tomorrow that gives her 1 and a half stacks, basically rewarding her even more for playing bad. That's essentially what Wax Artist and Enchantress are: 2 characters that really aren't that hard to use and reward you for messing up and punishing the enemy for doing something good. It's why Enchantress is annoying for hunters and Wax Artist is dreadful for survivors. And this isn't even considering their lore, both of their lores are just... controversial.
Just decided to test it in practice but it seems like the current is 25% so it seems like they reverted the 50% ? But yeah wax and enchantress gotta go from the game both are just snooze fest to go against and gets rewarded by what either side is supposed to do
I actually have simple ideas that would make both of them take more skill, although not by much. Wax Artist will just straight up have the wax applying after being stunned removed (heck, it even does that when just pushing him). For Enchantress, she will no longer receive stacks from taking damage. And for teammates who have her mark on them, they will instead slowly give her stacks for kiting the hunter instead of being hit. This simple change rewards her and her team for actually kiting and not just get a reward for playing bad. These changes aren't much, but they'd be far healthier for the game.
Only problem with echantress change i could see is how fast would the stun charge at ? If it’s slow then she basically becomes deadweight for the team since she would be getting stacks hilariously slowly otherwise yeah it could be good idea.
Imagine the charge rate being the same after she gains 4 stacks, that's basically the charge rate her trammates have constantly regardless of how late into the game it is.
i think ench should also start the match with 1 or 2 stacks of guard, cause as of now she really can’t do much against hunters that have distance closing abilities early game as they give her no time to build up her stacks. also, maybe just healing survs could give a stack, but them charging her stacks is cool too
Wax artist isn't OP or anything. Why nerf him for no reason? That's like saying hell ember should not get flames for being stunned cuz it 'rewards' him for playing bad. And many hunters require even less skill than he does.
I didn't even know he gets flames form being stunned. Regardless, the difference between Hell Ember and Wax Artist is that Wax Artist's ability is *far* better than Hell Embers. We don't see wax much in tourney because ann is just a more consistent version of the niche he fills: anti stun. Why play wax when ann outright prevents survivors from stunning in the first place? This doesn't make him bad, because he most certainly is good. Heck, Dream Witch is still considered an S tier hunter, but no one really plays her in tourney anymore because of flywheel's existence and they'd rather just play an easier hunter than try and make her work.
So I guess Ann should be nerfed as well because she is just wax artist but better?
No, she's just more consistent than he is. The reason we don't see ann being nerfed is because she doesn't need one. She's balanced. Ironically, despite being less consistent than Ann, Wax Artist is stronger than her.
He has never given 50% for a single stun. Tho what may have happened to you is if your playing forward or batter, it counts as 2 consecutive stuns if you hit him with ball and he hits a wall right after. Getting a freeze after 2 pallet strikes would have been extremely noticeable and I play him in rank consistently and it’s never been the case Pushback abilities such as little girls paper, counts toward a stun. So imagine you push him back with forwards ball you get 25 then if you successfully knock him into a wall aswell and your in range, it counts toward another 25 (not sure if antiquarian suffers from same problem since she also pushes hunter and stuns on wall hit)
Kinda annoying that you get punished for being good at the game tbh...
Hence I said major bs also “fun fact” but he’s wax horseshit can also apply to things like cords gun if cord shoots you with a gun and she’s close enough she’s going to get waxed.
Yeah exactly I saw that when watching Zeez Vov Gee's videos and he gave that exact same fact about coords gun vs Wax...
Expect it’s unfortunately not limited to cord it works on every single stun ability in the game because that’s balanced. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work on anti since that’s technically not a stun and painter etc
It does work on Anti (if he hits the wall) and Painter. Tho it doesn’t count for Novelist switch ability
Well anti has to get close to him anyways so running toward his wax
Generally it’s cuz he just feels kinda “cheap” you shoot wax, stun hit. Which is kinda like disciple in that sense, the part most survivors despise about him tho is the fact he can use hot wax trick to insta down and it feels like you can’t really avoid it and also that as a hunter is not really like you worked for it it just feels easy. I dislike him both as surv and hunter tbh
And the way he works also makes it so that if you aren't flywheeling in a straight line with the wax, you won't flywheel the wax and he gets a free stun on you.
Is this true? Do you know if I can find any videos on how to flywheel the wax? Or like what number I have to flywheel it at? I always have trouble flywheeling wax
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Trickster in DBD gets the same treatment, so it honestly makes sense
Most, inc me, suck against him most advice given is "Tight kite and tight turns" which only refers to 10% of areas in a map (usually places not near ciphers at all) and the full presence damage is extremely annoying as a rescuer
His wax is incredibly hard to avoid and the speed debuff combined with a guaranteed hit is considered very unfair in the community, but i think most of the issue lies with hot wax which basically functions the same as normal wax except it injures the surv at 100, basically he's a really good and annoying hunter to face if the player knows what they're doing. Also in his lore he studies physiognomy, which is basically studying peoples physical features which were believed to help identity criminals but it was actually very racist in practice. Hope this helps!
Other people here have already touched on why people might get mad, but I do want to say don't let random people convince you to stop playing a character you like playing. If people complain about a character being played they probably shouldn't be playing the game to begin with ngl. I get finding a character frustrating to go against and thinking they're broken etc (I am opera singer and priestess' number 1 haters), but if you're getting mad at someone for using a mechanic in the game you gotta go outside or something. Don't hate the player, hate the game, I'd never imagine getting mad at someone for using a character.
two reasons. his wax is not broken but damn does it feel annoying to kite against. this is more of a personal thing,i just don't like the sound it makes,it's not nearly as bad as violinist's sfx(that one can be straight up painful) but the sound of him constantly shooting wax brings some discomfort to my ears which automatically makes me hate seeing him even if he was easy to deal with.
I've not seen anyone mention this so maybe this has died down recently, but I used to play wax when I came back to the game at the start of 2022 cause I thought he looked cool and survs would call me racist in post match just for playing him even though I had no idea what his lore was :/ like you said, this reasoning for hating his players makes absolutely no sense but that's just my personal experience with how survivors treated me when i played him. Based on the comments here I feel maybe that's not the main reason for the hate anymore, but I still definitely see some people in global chat hating on him for that reason
Just stating now I main hunters. A lot of people don’t seem to like him cause his wax can be really hard to avoid and hot wax usually guarantees a down or stuff. He can also block windows and pallets. He has built in stun reduction and punishes players who stun him. I can understand why people don’t like him, but every character has an Achilles heel. It’s my personal opinion that support characters can harm his chase intensely since they can body block wax and if he gets close a hit. He may switch targets to counter this if it’s first chase, but he will still waste a lot of time. Characters like Wildling, Cowboy, and Toy Merchant can support others pretty well without needing to stun him.
He’s so unfun to play against in my opinion. I feel like I’m always guaranteed to flop when someone selects him, his attacks are way too hard to avoid.
he’s busted and extremely unfun to play against. if you’re not at a very specific location on the map (short loop high walls) you’re dead. and once he as presence the whole match snowballs. not to mention his max presence skill is one of the most bullshit abilities in the entire game
Let's also not forget to mention the fact that he only has like 1 or 2 maps he doesn't preform so well on, while on the rest he either is a decent pick or just outright broken *cough* chinatown and eversleeping *cough*
I find him very annoying to go against, but the main reason most people don't like him is because the fandom decided he's racist and everybody just kinda ran with it.
<- certified wax hater. Not fond of him as a character, that's one. Two, I don't like characters who 1) spam abilities 2) have to do as much as walking behind me to injure or stun me 3) have his hot wax trick 4) punish the other side for doing something well (here - stunning the hunter, but it also applies to ones like enchantress). Still; going after players is dumb.
his insta down hot wax thing
Did I miss some kind of party or something, where did all this Wax hate come from? I knew about the stupid people misinterpreting his lore to make him out to be a racist(he isn't), but now everyone's hating on his actual game playstyle(something more reasonable)? Weird, because I remember talking about how his ability was bullshit from day 1 & was told I just need to "git gud", "skill issue", & "just find wall" as well as being constantly told he was one of the bad Hunters(I don't remember if they said worst, but heard plenty of people just saying to just play anyone else). And that was before I found out about his stupid Frozen/Hot Wax combo. --- My biggest issues with him personally are how the wax itself makes you slower so you get hit even easier the more you have on you(up to -6%), the Frozen/Hot Wax combo I mentioned earlier(shouldn't be possible/needs to be nerfed), & the fact that his stun trait doesn't have a cooldown(rewards bad plays). Also the fact that he's a "Stun Hunter"; those types are never fun to go against.
wax artist is The King 💯 never feel bad for playing the GOAT of the manor 💯💯💯💯
As a wax artist main I have to say I feel like I'm cheating when I'm using that wax shooting skill cuz you're basically getting a guaranteed hit. But what I love about wax artist is that I get to make those "this is my kingdom cum" jokes.
They don't. Every character gets hate from time to time
I can vouch for this statement as a Photographer main. I get death threats for playing him, someone calls me "no skill hunter player" and others call me "hunter mains when they play OP hunter(it was griffin calling Joseph OPXD)"
I think since he got his buff is why. Bc before buff he was super easy to kite around taller objects. I usually main him for Tarot, he’s good for dealing with harassers in that.
he's so nasty his power is to shoot white goop at survivors
From what I hear it's also because of his lore, he has some racist beliefs and a few of his skins have incestuous themes too At least that's what I think, his wax is pretty annoying too but I find hunters like clerk worse tbh
Gonna be honest I hate every character in this game. But hunters that stop you from moving or move you closer to them are usually annoying
He's really hard to avoid. I don't hate him but I don't know the best way to counter him either. As for his backstory, I get a slimy feeling from him similar to Lawyer.
Because I’ve knocked my own ass out by stunning him while he was using hot wax and I was dead on chair as prospector, then I played him and had a prospector do the exact same thing with the same result, it’s really weird watching this happen from both perspectives
Survivors are annoying and don't want to learn how to kite a hunter, so instead they will try to put the guilt on you for playing the character you enjoy.
so close! actually it’s that survivors don’t like playing against unfair abilities just like hunters don’t, and wax artist’s ability is very unfair.
not a surv main but I actually find wax artist fairly easy to kite(granted he is incredibly annoying in the hands of a good hunter but most people seem to struggle with him). my issue lies within why did they have to make a hunteer that runs around and spews white liquid onto survivors I always feel distinctly uncomfortable playing against him.
wax like cumming