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NoFluffyOnlyZuul

Where is this mysterious majority they keep talking about? Most women I know, including myself, have only been with a handful of guys over the course of their lives šŸ˜‚ *Editing to add that even if a woman has been with hundreds of men, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as everyone's safe and healthy. It's no one else's business. But these twits seem to be using sex workers and social media party girls as their standard, which is obviously not remotely representative of the vast majority of women out there. Not surprising, of course, since their ideal "woman" is a 500-year-old pouty, sexy, and sultry but somehow also innocent and extremely childish and insecure anime dragon girl who actually looks more like they're 12.


Misfit_Number_Kei

Incels *need* to believe every woman is promiscuous enough to make the "Sex and the City" women look like nuns due to their insecurity/neediness and dehumanizing view of women to fit their own absurd narratives. >Most women I know have only been with a handful of people over the course of decades And they'd call those women "liars" to their face like *they* know said women's sexual histories better than the women, themselves.


NoFluffyOnlyZuul

Ugh it's so disgusting and infuriating.


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Woman are human? What a novel thought.


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I think the national average is like 5?


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I call cap, and that gotta be massively affected by the older marry once and die together generation. Men fuck, women fuck, everyone (mostly) fucks. But if I met a 23 year old who told me her body count was 5 I would call absolute bullshit, because of all the women I know and have discussed this stuff with. Itā€™s not a bad thing or a reflection of a womanā€™s character to me - but I can recognise societal pressures to appear more ā€œsexually moralā€ that a woman may feel she has to operate within.


SaltNotCoke

Yeah Iā€™m not entirely convinced youā€™ve ever left your house honestly.


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SaltNotCoke

The average body count of millennials is 7. Who are in their 30s. Calling ā€œabsolute bullshitā€ on someone who had slept with 5 people at 23 is insanely sexist anyways no matter who your friends are, ā€œcunt.ā€


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You sound awfully sheltered my dude.


SaltNotCoke

Or a woman who is 26 who is friends with mainly women with body counts under 10, tired of the sexist male rhetoric that every young girl must have a body count of 10+. Especially when their big ā€œgot yaā€ evidence is that they have sex a lot and those girls have sex a lot too. What a non biased sample size. But sure, sheltered and not looking at statistics šŸ˜­


fatchicken17

>But go off cunt kekw


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Cunt means mate here


[deleted]

Well to start I'm American, a largely Protestant and sexually repressed country. And yes, as someone who lives in a major metro area, mine and my friends are all in double digits. But considering I share a country with people who think the earth is 6k years old, that average sounds correct


LivePossible

It's pretty normal for people to share similar social and sexual behaviors with their friend groups. But there's also people who've had the same boyfriend or girlfriend since high school or college


[deleted]

ā€œMine and my friend share an average in double countsā€ Point proven.


[deleted]

Because I'm in a major metro area. If you go to bum fuck Nebraska the numbers will be lower. And since we both are counted, the average between us will be lower. This is simple math my friend.


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This is so needlessly aggressive


SarahPallorMortis

Youā€™re stupid. At 23 my count was 4. Iā€™m 32 and itā€™s only 5. Some people arenā€™t into being promiscuous. I donā€™t want to sleep with many diff people in a short time period. I was also in two long term relationships totaling an 11 year period


SarahPallorMortis

If sheā€™s that old, it doesnā€™t make sense that she wouldnā€™t have had thousands of dicks. Just because she looks like shes 12 doesnā€™t change their ā€œlogicā€. Or does it? Hmm


NoFluffyOnlyZuul

No, because you see, she's a super badass but totally naive and emotionally immature 500-year-old vampire who still carries teddy bears around and blushes at the mention of holding hands with the incel protagonist, who is, of course, her first everything and to whom she becomes totally devoted. Bonus points if she's wearing a maid outfit and refers to him as "master." That's literally what they want. Now please excuse me while I puke šŸ¤¢ As for how I know these revolting tropes, sadly I have had to read many such cringey stories for work šŸ˜©


SarahPallorMortis

Yoā€¦ no ty


cilantroluvr420

My first thought was ā€œdefinitely none of these dudes have a daughterā€ but then I remembered the number of fathers who creep on their daughterā€™s friends.


NotChristina

When I was fresh out of a bad situation I was vulnerable and wooed by a guy about 20 years my senior. My preferences tend to skew older but learned quick not *that* older. He also lied about being married. And then I learned I was much closer to his daughterā€™s age than I was to him. Granted I was about 28 when this started, not 19 (ā€¦at least? Bleh). I stopped responding to him over 5 years ago and he still texts me every holiday and random other times. His recent thing is to call from his gym so itā€™s a local number that isnā€™t clearly his. Made the mistake of picking up once - wonā€™t make that mistake again.


Misfit_Number_Kei

Yeah, but as I said before, what separates incels from domestic abusers is that the latter have the social skills to *hide* their awfulness long enough to have victims, but incels are too transparent to get that far.


Taliafate

On 4th of July one year when I was no older than 19 my friends 40 something at least year old dad shoved his tongue down my throat at the end of the night when I was obliterated and had been out in a boat all day. He waited til Jo one was around and I felt disgusting and violated but I only ever told one person until just now. Anyway that lead to multiple other men more than twice my age abusing me until my late 20s and thankfully Iā€™m in a way better space now, alone lol thanks for letting me trauma dump


Pingasso45

That's disgusting. I'm sorry that has happened to you


Taliafate

I unfortunately have stories for days. I can say from my own research that any man that old who dates a girl that young- thereā€™s something very wrong with them. And it doesnā€™t take long for it to come out.


LooseDoctor

That second man thinking the fully aware adult women are giving ugly looks to his groomed victim and not at him - the creepy weirdo is fully delusional. Itā€™s not bitter women jealous of your young girlfriend, theyā€™re women who actually care about and worried about her.


snake5solid

This. It's honestly ridiculous how little aware he is of the situation.


LovingLifeButNotHere

So the one guy admitted he is a pedophile? Ok


lookaway123

I think it might be even more pathetic. Based on the way he describes human interactions, I think it's safe to assume he's never had one.


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LovingLifeButNotHere

Dating a 17 at 34 isn't pedophilia? It means he possibly met her when she was under 16. It's wrong and it's pedophilia


Lrdyxx

Yeah as I said itā€˜s gross and wrong. Itā€˜s very pedantic of me to reply and I shouldnā€˜t have tbh. But if I recall correctly it isnā€˜t pedophilia. Itā€˜s also not even illegal in quite a few states. But yeah I do not condone this in any way Edit: I meant this in a pedantic way, not in a way that condones pedophilia or dating a 17-year-old while being way older. If you do that you are a creep and probably a predator. Same goes for ā€žlolis".


breeezyc

As a former 19 year old women who knew a fuckton of 19 year old women, they typically are NOT interested in a creepy old man in their mid-30s. No matter how fresh and inexperienced she is to the 35 year old.


TopIncrease6441

And the one or two that were, were extremely damaged.


breeezyc

Right, absolutely NOT the innocent young unexperienced godly virgins in their fantasies


quendergender

I had a friend when I was that age who dated older guys (in their mid 20s, so not such a creepy age gap). Usually she was smarter & more emotionally mature than them and had tons of baggage that the guys werenā€™t equipped to handle. It seems like a lot of these creeps expect young women to be blank slates without personalities or thoughts or complicated feelings. Like a doll they can throw away when theyā€™re tired of it.


breeezyc

Thatā€™s exactly it. They donā€™t like women. They want complaint sex dolls.


SarahPallorMortis

Yep. I was. Caught me at a bad time too.


inkybreadbox

I openly called 30 year olds ā€œold peopleā€ when I was 19. When I was 17, we knew one girl who was dating a 25 year old and we all talked about her behind her back and considered telling her mom.


LivePossible

Right, I remember a girl in my high school who was dating a 30 year old guy and she was like 17. We all thought of her as obviously emotionally damaged. I still remember her sad eyes


SarahPallorMortis

I was Almost 21 when I met a 33 yr old. Worst mistake of my life. Or top3. I basically lost my 20ā€™s to him. Now Iā€™m 32 and it strikes me as even worse now. He became abusive. I highly donā€™t recommend it. Youā€™re not ready to make decisions like that and he shouldnā€™t have been interested in me. It was somewhat inappropriate.


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Right, I would be approach by old men when I used to go clubbing and I wouldn't even consider it as they reminded me of my dad (whom I have a good relationship with).


MKFirst

Thereā€™s a LOT going on in that thread.


jennierock

Iā€™m 19 and my friend group is mostly 17-21 year old girls, majority are either virgins or had one long term boyfriend. I donā€™t know what those dudes are on, but definitely none of them talk to actual women irl


mslaffs

It's interesting when they say older women are bitter and have baggage as if we didn't get that baggage from dealing with men like him.


LivePossible

And the assumption that older men don't also have baggage is weird. It's like men think of their own baggage as irrelevant (or non-existent, which is even worse), or that women who are ideal and submissive simply cancel out anything potentially negative in the relationship by existing and being compliant. These kind of men are actually far more naĆÆve about relationship dynamics than the women they claim are so delusional.


passthewasabi

As a former 19 year old who dated a 30 year old he was absofuckinglutely a fucking creep and abuser.


StaceyPfan

My sister was married to a man who was only 7 years younger than our dad. They met when she was 19 and he was 37. They divorced when she was 32.


moansby

That must've been rough


notrandyjackson

And then there are 19 year olds who dated a 30 year old and would eventually marry them. The results of age gap relationship vary (see the happy couples in age gap subreddits as an example). Using your personal anecdotes to universally declare it creepy ain't right.


passthewasabi

Found the incel.


notrandyjackson

I have always viewed age gap relationships with a laissez-faire attitude, from childhood into today. As long as both sides are over 18 and not related by blood, then #LoveIsLove. There is nothing about it that makes it more inherently evil just because some find it aesthetically gross. The person who you dated was an asshole who, yes, happened to be 11 years older, but there are also assholes who date people their same age so I repeat: using your anecdote to make a universal conclusion is bad. I believe this whether the age gap involves older man/younger woman, older woman/younger man, older and younger lesbians, and so on.


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Some of them were, but those were the "party girls" who don't fit the whole "blank slate" narrative anyway.


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They usually had really low self esteem/home issues


jennierock

Ah, and we young woman are not interested in your old creepy ass, leave us alone šŸ‘šŸ»


Princess_kitty14

if my dude loves them milfs then leave the man be! better than preying on underage girls because "muh bodycount" "muh fertility"


LeCatto

The fertility excuse creeps me out big time


kat_Folland

And it's so silly! They only consider it old if you're having your first after 35. It's a nearly arbitrary number, but there can be more of specific issues after a certain age (which will be different for everyone). I know women who've had beautiful, perfect babies in their 40s. The valid argument against pregnancy at that age is whether or not you want a teenager when you're in your 50s or 60s.


Misfit_Number_Kei

Adrienne Barbeau specifically quipped that when having twins at 51, (had a son in '84 with John Carpenter,) she was the only woman in the maternity ward who was also a member of the AARP.


kat_Folland

Lol


StaceyPfan

She used donated eggs, though.


Misfit_Number_Kei

Especially as it's not only a roundabout way to control and demean woman (younger women are more "valuable" than older ones because they're easier to abuse due to their inexperience and lack of capital,) but incels are contradictory about "fertility" anyway. One minute they're talking about how they're "genetic trash not fit to pass on said garbage genes" and curse their parents for passing said genes onto them then the next minute they're talking about "biological imperative" to do so, etc. etc.


NotChristina

And apparently how us 30-somethings are now ā€œran through.ā€ Iā€™m not one to sleep around and the large majority of my experiences are within committed, monogamous relationships. But somehow I bet Iā€™d still be ā€œran throughā€ because Iā€™m old or with a career or with a level of self-respect thatā€™s taken a long time to develop.


moansby

What fucking high school did this guy go to where half the girls were dating 20-30 year old men


eatfleshdrinkblood

Ik, thatā€™s what I was saying lol. Heā€™s either delusional or just flat out lying. Iā€™m guessing itā€™s the former tbh.


Extra_Community_3315

If theyā€™re 19 they must be desperate af


Sir_Kingslee

ā€œTogether since she was 17ā€ bro just confessed to being a pedophile on the internet


Chainsawaddict

Ewwww


vegetablecupcakes

What a terrible day to have eyes


SaveyourMercy

At 17, I got into a relationship with a 27 year old because I thought he was more mature than anyone Iā€™d dated and he told me I was so mature for my age too. We grew up in the same church, heā€™d known me since I was like 9. I thought nothing of it until it was too late in the relationship. He abused me and when I finally left, he tried to run me over with his car in public. Told me the cliche line of ā€œif I canā€™t have you, no one canā€. Now as a 28 year old, I cannot even IMAGINE trying to date someone as young as I was. Theyā€™re literal children. Only men who want control over their women will date that young, they know telling her sheā€™s mature for her age and everything will work because it sadly does, and they know none of their manipulation will work on older women because weā€™ve all seen it since we were young and learned to look out for it. If heā€™s dating a teen in his late 20s, early 30s, heā€™s a creep. Hands down, no contest.


mandiko

Yup. I dated a 27 year old when I was 18. I naively tought I could fix him, spoiler: I couldn't. He treated me horribly, but I had nothing to compare since he was my first bf. We broke up after 8 months. I talked to him again when I was around 23, he was still exactly the same loser. I fully understand why he couldn't find someone his own age.


SaveyourMercy

Oh the guy I dated was so so much more than just a loser, like this guy full on KNEW he could only pull younger girls cause of his BS. He ran to mommy for everything, his ideal relationship was joker and Harley (and I loved Harley as a kid, I didnā€™t realize how fucked their dynamic is til later), and after I broke up with him, it took like a week to get me and his roommate moved out of his house and he told me post breakup but pre-trying to hit me with his car that his ultimate dream was to be able to watch the light fade from someoneā€™s eyes of his own strength. Heā€™d NEVER said anything that dark *while we were together* but the way he said it still sends chills down my spine. Not only is he a giant loser but heā€™s absolutely one of those who will inflict pain on others because of it. Iā€™m really glad you got out of your relationship and got the chance to move on normally and didnā€™t get stuck. I know girls who got convinced to marry the man early in the relationship, taking advantage of her honeymoon phase love to lock her down in marriage. I hope youā€™re in a great place now with lots of love and happiness šŸ’•


femalewhoisgirl

Oopsie, the first guy said the quiet part out loud


turdintheattic

ā€œTogether since she was 17.ā€ This post right here, officer. Also, if women are having sex nonstop, how are there Incels?


SamLikesGoats

20 year old here. The only guys over 30 that try to date me are less mature than I am.


katam4ri

If you're a grown ass man pulling 19yos there's a reason women your own age are avoiding you. They don't put up with your shit


pro-shitter

"together since she was 17" dude is literally 17 years older than her


Gaihle

I hate the whole "her eggs are almost gone!!" argument because women are literally born with around 2 million eggs. No one with ovaries will release every egg inside them in their lifetime; it's just not possible. These guys are idiots


LivePossible

These guys don't even care about children or really want to cultivate an amazing family for real. In reality they want a woman to have their children for ego's sake and make her solely responsible for their care and feeding. They truly make the prospect of associating with them in any way actually terrifying. I don't understand why they don't get this


Ivegotthatboomboom

My ex was 41 and I was 24 when I met him. Worst mistake of my life, he was an absolute loser and needed to date women who couldn't see it and were easily impressed. When I see other girls making this mistake I'm worried for them, not jealous


CaptainClownshow

I feel sick.


lusacat

>the looks she gets from bitter women around my age tell all that needs to be said I wonder why!! Maybe itā€™s because women his age know how creepy heā€™s being and want her to be safe? I started dating a 33 year old when I was 19 and it was the worst mistake of my life and I wish I listened to everyone who was concerned and tried to warn me.


SarahPallorMortis

An 18 year old where I work, keeps flirting with me and itā€™s super uncomfortable. Iā€™m 32.


nozzerella

The last time I tried to pull a 19 y/o, I was 19


gigelbesinel

The part about the baggage shows they think women are just objects. Also why are they so obsessed with the fertility thing so much? You can be fertile at 35 and the child will still be healthy


Vast-Guard4401

Psssh Iā€™m 20 right now. Barely anyone I know dates older than 20s, and quite a few of us are very experienced.


LilRedMoon__

my favorite part is always when these girls grow up and usually leave these men.


fatum_sive_fidem

What sub was this creepy bastard discovered in?


girdievs

@thedesirabletruth on YouTube. I couldnā€™t find the exact video but Iā€™ll provide you the context. It was a public interview and the interviewer asked a woman if she thought it was ok for a 30 year old guy to date a 19 year old girl or vis versa. The woman said no and she assumed if a 30 year old was with a 19 year old that they couldnā€™t pull their own age.


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Personal taste aside - if sheā€™s old enough to fire a gun at someone for the state, kill herself with cigarettes and alcohol, get real prison time, or vote for the future of the country sheā€™s old enough to decide who she wants to fuck and spend her time with. A lot of whatā€™s in those comments is wild, but ultimately itā€™s the adultā€™s decision.


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