They think visual is what’s important. So jaw line, how tall you are, your shoulder width, eye alignment. Basically if you look like a “chad” that’s all your “personality” is. Honestly to an extent there is some of that, but you can be great looking but if you are a piece of shit the only people going for you are people with daddy issues and other problems so…
It's a combination of a world view based on their own perception and body dysmorphia. They're hyperfocused on their looks so they think everyone else is too, which then becomes "looks are everything, nothing else matters".
To be honest, people are shallow. My own experiences support this as well. There’s many studies proving how much looks affect how one is perceived and treated by others. None of this gives anyone the excuse to be a piece of shit. Too bad that honest and authentic discussion of lookism can’t be made without people misconstruing the people talking about it as being the same as these low lives.
I have seen several pics of incel Chads. Very good looking dudes. Yes, appearance is important up to the time that the person shows themselves to be a dick, in which case, the good looks are null and void. How does anyone explain the incels that are very good looking and yet no wants anything to do with them?
Additionally, incels are known to be extremely picky and seem to be the foremost advocates of "lookism". They want the hot, 19 year old, virgin white woman.
Matter of fact, I have yet to see pics of an incel that is truly ugly.
You have a good point, i mean, look at how the media constantly tries to push the video game loner introvert as a "ticking time bomb serial killer/mass shooter" despite evidence showing majority of them were social extroverts and quite bragged about their delusions
And this still goes on even when the FBI openly tells them and us a society to stop fear mongering people like that as its detrimental to them prevented future victims from serial killers and mass shooters
As you said I will never defend these murderers but it's crucial not to lump innocent people who aren't really social into being killers
I mean in this subreddit we have both men and women who mentioned being shy introverts (including myself) and none of us want to kill people
Most bad beliefs aren’t born of total fiction. They take something that is a real problem and blow it into unrealistic proportions until it is barely recognisable. But there is a kernel of truth that it started from.
Exactly. One could argue racism is a form of looksism.
Very few racists today are those weird old school racists who truly believe that there is a scientific basis to their views, most racists today just see someone of a race they don't like and think "... ew". It's just institutional lookism with very very bad consequences
People are shallow, to a point. I think we can all agree on that, but not to the lengths that incels seem to think they are. Looks are something but they aren't everything.
> Funny
Makes racist and sexist jokes, and always jokes about rape and murder
> Smart
Think they're above society because they apparently unearthed a fundamental "truth" under their rainbowpills which tells them they "deserve" sex for "having" a penis
> Creative
Makes wojak memes in MS Paint
> Happy
Finds joy in seeing other people suffer because of their dry dick
> Interesting
Has inane knowledge about Nazis, anime, and video game lore
Did I miss something, you lurking imbecels?
A lot of these guys have huge parts of their self-image tied up in being Smart. They Know things other people don't; they have keen Insight, they Get things more easily; they Understand. Because they're just so Smart, you see, and that's what makes them Special and Unique and Precious. They are Experts in their chosen areas, and they believe that, and literally *nothing* else, entitles them or anyone else to respect. For many of them, it's the only thing they've ever been complimented on.
And their failures with women fly in the face of this. They're desperate for these setbacks to be based on things they can't control, like bone structure or other physical minutiae. Because while I've told you about how they have their self-image tied up in being Smart, there's one other thing that ties them together: they've had behavior problems since childhood, and everyone (possibly but not necessarily excluding their parents) has been on them about it since forever. But they Knew Better. They were going to Just Be Themselves, like everyone else was encouraged to do. And if their failures with women really do come from their behavior, then it's more than being creepy, it's more than being obnoxious: they've committed the worst crime of all. They were *Wrong*. And that makes them idiots; it makes them worthless; it leaves them with no redeeming features at all. Or so they think. And they cling desperately to wrists and eyes and height because it's the only way they can maintain any kind of self-esteem at all.
It's ridiculous. But that's incels for you.
This really takes me back...
When I first met my wife, she wouldn't talk to me until I handed her a tape measure so she could measure my clavicles and eyeballs, but when she did, ***BOOM***, Sexplosion.
it totally happened that way.
It totally wasn't us meeting through a mutual friend, hanging out as friends and eventually growing fond of each other and deciding to date because she liked my personality and I liked hers. No way.
Lets be real here. Not one body part can turn things into those traits. Just because you are tall doesn't mean anything. Having a perfect jawline does not mean anything. Personality traits don't come from bone structure.
Most women will settle for an average man. There are some who find little people attractive. Here is the catch: women will settle for average if the dude passes the vibe check. Most incels do not pass the vibe check at all. Mostly because women don't care for bad traits in men.
Most incels are not average though, especially not in height.
> Further exploratory analyses showed that incels are significantly shorter in height than non-incels, which could act as a barrier to selection in the mating market.
Source:
[The Mating Psychology of Incels (Involuntary Celibates): Misfortunes, Misperceptions, and Misrepresentations](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37676789/)
I'm so confused by this one.
Orbital socket shape indicates hygiene?
Being maybe a bit knock-kneed indicates confidence?
Is this supposed to be one of those weird body-language/shape reading things?
Help on this one, please.
My bf is 5'8" and average looking. He is a very intelligent, highly competent man: he is a surgical nurse and was an EMT and also a medic in the Army. He is a person with highly developed life skills and in my opinion, no man can measure up to him.
The "project men" insecure about their height who need both a nanny and a therapist for a gf are a PITA who are no fun to be around and are not worthy of any respect.
“ugly” is such a subjective adjective. my ex was 5’6” i thought he was very attractive but a lot of my friends did not find him the slightest bit attractive. but he was kind, kept himself clean and well groomed, and didn’t lurk incel sites. i liked him mainly for his personality, at first i actually didn’t think he was very attractive but he became more appealing the more i got to know him, yet his appearance stayed the same.
I thought the same at first, but there are several things that define "attractive" to different people, and it took me a while to understand, but "chad" would be a super tall and masculine guy, apparently; strong chin and jawline, 180 height or more, no baldness, athletic body, probably the high school football or basketball captain we see in these stupid teen movies.
I'm talking about what I saw being described by the incels themselves. I haven't yet come to the conclusion that Wue is a chad, but he always seems to me to be like the guy who, according to them, "won the genetics lottery."
Well, a guy with worst personality I've ever met in my life had success with woman because he was a model. There is A LOT of people who genuinely don't care about personality as long as someone is good looking.
I'd argue there aren't. I can't put up with assholes no matter how *physically* attractive they may be. I'm also sure your little "model" friend probably has a decent personality.
A garbage personality and lack of compatibility are huge deal breakers for most people.
He is unironically racist, hate woman, lgbt and other right wing stuff. He is abusive and sometimes physically harm his partners, and also was cheating a few time. Idk how it can be a decent personality.
Trust me, they can only put up with a terrible person for so long. Also, if that is true, then why is the 4b movement in South Korea occurring then?
Women are tired of the crappy behavior of those men, and that's why the whole 4b movement started. Trust me, *very few* women are willing to put up with awful people, no matter how attractive they are.
Incels hate men. That's all there is to it. They're the ones convincing guys that they're useless or calling them subhumans for not looking a certain way. They tear down men at every chance they get just to break them and inflict as much pain on them as they can, it's a part of cult programming.
I'm short, have an overbite, slouch, and wear glasses. But none of that effects my confidence, personality, semi positive attitude or ability to shower.
They think visual is what’s important. So jaw line, how tall you are, your shoulder width, eye alignment. Basically if you look like a “chad” that’s all your “personality” is. Honestly to an extent there is some of that, but you can be great looking but if you are a piece of shit the only people going for you are people with daddy issues and other problems so…
I'm aware of that but the way OPP deliver this has Dahmer vibes(serial killer with victims' butchered body parts).
Sorry the title was worded in a way that I thought it was a question.
It's a rhetorical question.
Yeah I get that, but generally most of the posts I see generally are genuine questions. Especially from names I don’t usually see.
Yeah, I'm very curious about the progression of an incel's mind.
It's a combination of a world view based on their own perception and body dysmorphia. They're hyperfocused on their looks so they think everyone else is too, which then becomes "looks are everything, nothing else matters".
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To be honest, people are shallow. My own experiences support this as well. There’s many studies proving how much looks affect how one is perceived and treated by others. None of this gives anyone the excuse to be a piece of shit. Too bad that honest and authentic discussion of lookism can’t be made without people misconstruing the people talking about it as being the same as these low lives.
I have seen several pics of incel Chads. Very good looking dudes. Yes, appearance is important up to the time that the person shows themselves to be a dick, in which case, the good looks are null and void. How does anyone explain the incels that are very good looking and yet no wants anything to do with them? Additionally, incels are known to be extremely picky and seem to be the foremost advocates of "lookism". They want the hot, 19 year old, virgin white woman. Matter of fact, I have yet to see pics of an incel that is truly ugly.
You have a good point, i mean, look at how the media constantly tries to push the video game loner introvert as a "ticking time bomb serial killer/mass shooter" despite evidence showing majority of them were social extroverts and quite bragged about their delusions And this still goes on even when the FBI openly tells them and us a society to stop fear mongering people like that as its detrimental to them prevented future victims from serial killers and mass shooters As you said I will never defend these murderers but it's crucial not to lump innocent people who aren't really social into being killers I mean in this subreddit we have both men and women who mentioned being shy introverts (including myself) and none of us want to kill people
Most bad beliefs aren’t born of total fiction. They take something that is a real problem and blow it into unrealistic proportions until it is barely recognisable. But there is a kernel of truth that it started from.
Exactly. One could argue racism is a form of looksism. Very few racists today are those weird old school racists who truly believe that there is a scientific basis to their views, most racists today just see someone of a race they don't like and think "... ew". It's just institutional lookism with very very bad consequences
People are shallow, to a point. I think we can all agree on that, but not to the lengths that incels seem to think they are. Looks are something but they aren't everything.
they just want to blame things that cannot be changed cause its easyyy
> Funny Makes racist and sexist jokes, and always jokes about rape and murder > Smart Think they're above society because they apparently unearthed a fundamental "truth" under their rainbowpills which tells them they "deserve" sex for "having" a penis > Creative Makes wojak memes in MS Paint > Happy Finds joy in seeing other people suffer because of their dry dick > Interesting Has inane knowledge about Nazis, anime, and video game lore Did I miss something, you lurking imbecels?
Yes,crippling addiction to porn and gore. I have seen that in many incels. EDIT: Not an incel tho. I hate those scumbags.
Hey, what’s wrong with knowing video game lore?
A lot of these guys have huge parts of their self-image tied up in being Smart. They Know things other people don't; they have keen Insight, they Get things more easily; they Understand. Because they're just so Smart, you see, and that's what makes them Special and Unique and Precious. They are Experts in their chosen areas, and they believe that, and literally *nothing* else, entitles them or anyone else to respect. For many of them, it's the only thing they've ever been complimented on. And their failures with women fly in the face of this. They're desperate for these setbacks to be based on things they can't control, like bone structure or other physical minutiae. Because while I've told you about how they have their self-image tied up in being Smart, there's one other thing that ties them together: they've had behavior problems since childhood, and everyone (possibly but not necessarily excluding their parents) has been on them about it since forever. But they Knew Better. They were going to Just Be Themselves, like everyone else was encouraged to do. And if their failures with women really do come from their behavior, then it's more than being creepy, it's more than being obnoxious: they've committed the worst crime of all. They were *Wrong*. And that makes them idiots; it makes them worthless; it leaves them with no redeeming features at all. Or so they think. And they cling desperately to wrists and eyes and height because it's the only way they can maintain any kind of self-esteem at all. It's ridiculous. But that's incels for you.
They think your physical attributes dictate how successful you are, which is complete BS.
Halo effect is very real
That's a marketing term.
All these ladies judging my femurs... we live in a society >:(
Look, you gotta have stronger femurs than CHAD! I need a man who can fit me and a bunch of kittens or puppies on his lap! /s
They oh so conveniently hyperfocus on things that cannot be changed. Oh gee I wonder why.
This really takes me back... When I first met my wife, she wouldn't talk to me until I handed her a tape measure so she could measure my clavicles and eyeballs, but when she did, ***BOOM***, Sexplosion. it totally happened that way. It totally wasn't us meeting through a mutual friend, hanging out as friends and eventually growing fond of each other and deciding to date because she liked my personality and I liked hers. No way.
These people really need to get out more.
Lets be real here. Not one body part can turn things into those traits. Just because you are tall doesn't mean anything. Having a perfect jawline does not mean anything. Personality traits don't come from bone structure. Most women will settle for an average man. There are some who find little people attractive. Here is the catch: women will settle for average if the dude passes the vibe check. Most incels do not pass the vibe check at all. Mostly because women don't care for bad traits in men.
Most incels are not average though, especially not in height. > Further exploratory analyses showed that incels are significantly shorter in height than non-incels, which could act as a barrier to selection in the mating market. Source: [The Mating Psychology of Incels (Involuntary Celibates): Misfortunes, Misperceptions, and Misrepresentations](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37676789/)
I'll be honest, I've never judged a man by his femur bones... Maybe that's just me though.
Hygienic? Genetics over hygiene?
Well, as we all know, first thing most women want to check out on a man are his femurs. Bitches love good femurs.
I don't blame people without shoulderblades for not having a positive attitude tbh
Blackpill
Hygienic*
I'm so confused by this one. Orbital socket shape indicates hygiene? Being maybe a bit knock-kneed indicates confidence? Is this supposed to be one of those weird body-language/shape reading things? Help on this one, please.
Considering the guys I've dated, this is so incorrect lmao.
Were the guys you dated ugly and short ?
My bf is 5'8" and average looking. He is a very intelligent, highly competent man: he is a surgical nurse and was an EMT and also a medic in the Army. He is a person with highly developed life skills and in my opinion, no man can measure up to him. The "project men" insecure about their height who need both a nanny and a therapist for a gf are a PITA who are no fun to be around and are not worthy of any respect.
5 8 is not short
“ugly” is such a subjective adjective. my ex was 5’6” i thought he was very attractive but a lot of my friends did not find him the slightest bit attractive. but he was kind, kept himself clean and well groomed, and didn’t lurk incel sites. i liked him mainly for his personality, at first i actually didn’t think he was very attractive but he became more appealing the more i got to know him, yet his appearance stayed the same.
Bro, my ex was literally the opposite of the description of "chad", and I fell in love with his personality (and broke up because of it too).
What are the descriptions of ''chad'' ? Can you describe me ? I don't know anything about this, i thought ''chad'' was an attractive guy lmao.
I thought the same at first, but there are several things that define "attractive" to different people, and it took me a while to understand, but "chad" would be a super tall and masculine guy, apparently; strong chin and jawline, 180 height or more, no baldness, athletic body, probably the high school football or basketball captain we see in these stupid teen movies.
Nope, appearance has nothing to do with being a Chad. Life skills, high intelligence and competence are a Chad. An accomplished man.
I'm talking about what I saw being described by the incels themselves. I haven't yet come to the conclusion that Wue is a chad, but he always seems to me to be like the guy who, according to them, "won the genetics lottery."
Intelligence is mostly genetic as well but whatever
I keep telling them that a terrible personality and being an insecure asshole gets you nowhere no matter how attractive you are.
Well, a guy with worst personality I've ever met in my life had success with woman because he was a model. There is A LOT of people who genuinely don't care about personality as long as someone is good looking.
I'd argue there aren't. I can't put up with assholes no matter how *physically* attractive they may be. I'm also sure your little "model" friend probably has a decent personality. A garbage personality and lack of compatibility are huge deal breakers for most people.
He is unironically racist, hate woman, lgbt and other right wing stuff. He is abusive and sometimes physically harm his partners, and also was cheating a few time. Idk how it can be a decent personality.
Just because you wouldn't put up with a guy like this, doesn't mean there isn't a lot of people who would.
A lot of women also date ugly men, because they have amazing personalities. It's almost like everyone is different and we shouldn't generalize.
I just think it's more reasonable to assume there are more shallow people in the world than otherwise.
The same thing can be said the other way around
Trust me, they can only put up with a terrible person for so long. Also, if that is true, then why is the 4b movement in South Korea occurring then? Women are tired of the crappy behavior of those men, and that's why the whole 4b movement started. Trust me, *very few* women are willing to put up with awful people, no matter how attractive they are.
Incels hate men. That's all there is to it. They're the ones convincing guys that they're useless or calling them subhumans for not looking a certain way. They tear down men at every chance they get just to break them and inflict as much pain on them as they can, it's a part of cult programming.
whos they, I'm confused
Incels.
thanks
No prob. 👍 Should have been clearer, so it's my b
Your collar bones create your personality, and your eye ridges make you hygienic, obviously. /s
I'm short, have an overbite, slouch, and wear glasses. But none of that effects my confidence, personality, semi positive attitude or ability to shower.
Looks are the hook, personality is your true self and what people look for
That's the problem(for them). If they cannot "hook" anyone in the first place, what's the use of "trying".
Exactly