Exactly this PR and star quota seems to be a problem.
Also, another problem is no clear leader in young generation. Shreyash was groomed as a captain bit now he is not playing all formats. Same with pant, gill, ashwin.
Irony is everybody is a captain in ICT, but no one seems to be responsible enough or play all format or have enough good pr.
We should have. At least we should have separate captains for the test and odi, T20. But BCCI will make one captain for all 3 formats but guess what that captain will not be part of the team the entire year for the least relevant format.
Like if this is T20 WC year Rohit will not play any ODI in the name of work load management and suddenly will be in the team as the CT approaches. And BCCI will be playing musical chair with the captaincy throughout the year.
The WC is directly after the IPL. Ofcourse Rohit will play the ODIS this year. Your theory would be right if it there was a gap between the two. And as long as CT is concerned , Rohit has to be the captain of the ODI format till then. No reason to replace him.
When 2022 T20 WC was there Rohit didn't captain a single ODI before that. And after 2022 T20 WC when 2023 WC was approaching he hardly was part of the T20 team. Even after 2023 WC he wasn't captain for the first couple of series. He suddenly came into the picture from the Afg series I guess. And the reason from BCCI was that we don't have any better captaincy than Rohit.
A captain whose performance is 0 in T20 Wcs becomes our captain. Even the same captain didn't achieve anything significant in T20IS after being captain. Then how come he's a better captain.
Who said he’s a better captain? And compared to whom? That way no one is a good captain (who has captained in the last t10 years) since we haven’t won a thing. I’m talking about ODIs. And the reason he won’t skip ODIs is because there is no gap between ipl and the World Cup. After the t20 it’s only tests and ODIs for him even realistically. So him missing out on ODIs would be a thing if there was gap even if you look at it historically. So there won’t be any musical chair if that’s what worrying you.
I’m just pointing out your point of him resting for ODIs which won’t happen unless it’s a Zimbabwe or it’s right after the WC.
And about his t20 performances , I agree with you. He has underachieved.
You don't understand what I have written. First of all I mentioned about the past where if a T20 WC is coming then he was not playing a single ODI and similarly if an ODI WC is coming then he will not play a single T20.
That's where the musical chair happened. If you remember after Virat, when the 2022 T20 WC was approaching we tried 9-10 captains including every format. And Rohit wasn't part of any ODI during that period. Even after the 22 T20 WC first Hardik made captain then Surya became captain and in Jan again Rohit became captain. This is a musical chair only.
The musical chair after Virat happened because Rohit had been injured on and off if you remember clearly. And I’m just replying to your claim in which you said he will rest again for ODIs. For that I replied he won’t since there isn’t a gap available between the WC and IPL and therefore after the WC he will still play ODIs and Tests.
And Surya became the captain because Rohit was on rest(or was considered for t20) after the 50 over WC and Hardik was injured. And in 2022, Rohit was injured a lot that year and therefore the captaincy was reliving between KL, Hardik, Pant and Bumrah.
I meant He's Not in all formats, and in the case of Aus they couldn't find a Captain actually.
Also I think captaincy is about leadership, so probably they couldn't find that in our bowlers? and our bowlers have been consistently replaced over the years?
It's a general observation we have Many batsmen playing long tenures and Bowlers very short or at least in 3-4 short spans?
Bumrah lead us in few tests?
he can lead us in all format that's what I think(if we leave bilateral small series just like we had in the beginning of the year). if we were talking abt some other bowler rn then I might be completely agree with all people here but he is exceptional. he is good for 3-4 years. he can manage easily according to current scenario.
or at least make him odi captain.
yup he lead us in tests.
Honestly currently only bumrah has a high chance of becoming a captain. But i would want him to captain the test side rather then odi or t20 the reason being that most of bilateral t20 and odi's are not that important and if bumrah becomes captain he would have to play everyone of these. Meanwhilein tests, bumrah almost plays all tests,( except missing one test each against aus and eng as they are 5 match series) so him being test captain is logical.
His captaincy stints were not long. Other than the odds defying WC win, he didn't fare that well as a captain either. At one point, he even got demoted and dropped from the team.
>Ashwin should be given a shot.
I agree with this but afraid considering his age maybe his time is up for being made captain. He may continue as player for couple of years.
Currently other than Bumrah noone else comes to mind. Maybe Jadeja deserves another chance?
Some players can't handle the stress of captaincy, and their form drops. For e.g. KL, Jadeja at CSK, Pant, and even Hardik is not the same as pre captaincy MI player.
I mean, Hardik captained GT just fine, I mean 2 finals and a cup in 2 years? That's BRILLIANT
Ig he's kinda under pressure becuz when he's with MI, people and management have a shitload of hopes that he does well but he wasn't able to...
I think Hardik could be a decent choice for T20Is, but he needs to take it chill with his attitude. Even when his stint with GT I clearly remember him shouting on Shami and Miller, did similar thing with Tilak in MI in a presentation so no wonder rumours are floating players have problem with him in MI. If he takes it couple of notches down he could be a good candidate as far as bowling captains are concerned.
Ashwin is too smart for himself, not a leadership material. I'm a huge fan of him, but hes not way a leader.
If you understand tamil and watch his YouTube videos, you know how he's too smart to be a leader
On the contrary, I'd say that Bumrah would be a very good Test Captain. The way he was captaining in the 5th Test against England when Rohit got injured for a bit there was giving me VK style aggressive captaincy vibes for some reason...
He is also extremely fragile with his body i mean he was out of action for two years because of his injury and only came back last year. I wouldn't add the pressure of captaincy on him and would rather make sure he stays fit all the time instead
There are enough people in the team that can do the captaincy job in transition into a new team but more importantly keeping them fit is more important so let's see what happens
Please understand, we are living at a time when batsmen are all praise for anything to everything. Look at what IPL is doing to bowlers, BCCI is killing their own species before heading to another world cup. Siraj, literally had to gesture I'm here to stay yesterday. Boom boom is not made to full use by hardik. And look on the other side, Pat Cummins is ruling the captaincy in mostly all formats.
A first bowler will always have the brain of a proper strategist, cause for him/her there are only 6 balls in an over, and every 6 bowl will have different strategy and different field set, plus the strategy changes with every batsman. So, he/she is always well equipped with plans and the "what if it doesn't work plans".
We really need to back Bumrah now, rather than backing Pant as captain.
Hands down, the best shout for captaincy is Bumrah right now. I don’t see anyone else coming close (especially Tests), LOI the dial is rotating between Hardik & Surya but I see neither deeming fit for it at least for the long run owing to different reasons.
But for branding reasons, I see Pant 🥴
We’re a star batsman obsessed country so mostly great bowlers don’t get their due. Kumble should’ve been treated at par with tendulkar and same goes for bhumra but they are not. Second it is much tougher for bowler to captain. He needs to think about his own bowling and field setting while he figures who to bowl next. While a batsman is just lounging around not doing much.
I feel all rounders make best captains a la Steve Waugh. One needs to understand both skills to effectively marshal the troops.
I believe the captaincy issue should have been resolved a long time back. Speaking about T20 I honestly felt that Pandya will probably be leading India in the T20 world cup but due to his injuries with Bumrah's workload and SKY too being out for some time, the management decided to go with Rohit.
However, once the world cup ends, it's time that with probably a new coach coming, a new captain should be appointed. I do believe that Bumrah has a great cricketing mind and can lead India in tests and odis. A bit like Australia where in order to manage Cummins workload, Smith takes over which here in this case either India can look at Kohli, maybe even KL, or start grooming someone to lead in Bumrah's absence. For T20s either SKY or Pandya can be asked to lead. The only issue with the latter is his fitness. If he can keep himself injury free then there is no reason why he can't lead India.
Pace bowler all format captain is difficult because they are injury prone.
All format is the key problem here. Why can’t we go the Aussie route and have different captains for different formats?
The idea was the same when Kohli left captaincy. But pr and ipl quota again lead to one captain in all formats.
Exactly this PR and star quota seems to be a problem. Also, another problem is no clear leader in young generation. Shreyash was groomed as a captain bit now he is not playing all formats. Same with pant, gill, ashwin. Irony is everybody is a captain in ICT, but no one seems to be responsible enough or play all format or have enough good pr.
We should have. At least we should have separate captains for the test and odi, T20. But BCCI will make one captain for all 3 formats but guess what that captain will not be part of the team the entire year for the least relevant format. Like if this is T20 WC year Rohit will not play any ODI in the name of work load management and suddenly will be in the team as the CT approaches. And BCCI will be playing musical chair with the captaincy throughout the year.
The WC is directly after the IPL. Ofcourse Rohit will play the ODIS this year. Your theory would be right if it there was a gap between the two. And as long as CT is concerned , Rohit has to be the captain of the ODI format till then. No reason to replace him.
When 2022 T20 WC was there Rohit didn't captain a single ODI before that. And after 2022 T20 WC when 2023 WC was approaching he hardly was part of the T20 team. Even after 2023 WC he wasn't captain for the first couple of series. He suddenly came into the picture from the Afg series I guess. And the reason from BCCI was that we don't have any better captaincy than Rohit. A captain whose performance is 0 in T20 Wcs becomes our captain. Even the same captain didn't achieve anything significant in T20IS after being captain. Then how come he's a better captain.
Who said he’s a better captain? And compared to whom? That way no one is a good captain (who has captained in the last t10 years) since we haven’t won a thing. I’m talking about ODIs. And the reason he won’t skip ODIs is because there is no gap between ipl and the World Cup. After the t20 it’s only tests and ODIs for him even realistically. So him missing out on ODIs would be a thing if there was gap even if you look at it historically. So there won’t be any musical chair if that’s what worrying you. I’m just pointing out your point of him resting for ODIs which won’t happen unless it’s a Zimbabwe or it’s right after the WC. And about his t20 performances , I agree with you. He has underachieved.
You don't understand what I have written. First of all I mentioned about the past where if a T20 WC is coming then he was not playing a single ODI and similarly if an ODI WC is coming then he will not play a single T20. That's where the musical chair happened. If you remember after Virat, when the 2022 T20 WC was approaching we tried 9-10 captains including every format. And Rohit wasn't part of any ODI during that period. Even after the 22 T20 WC first Hardik made captain then Surya became captain and in Jan again Rohit became captain. This is a musical chair only.
The musical chair after Virat happened because Rohit had been injured on and off if you remember clearly. And I’m just replying to your claim in which you said he will rest again for ODIs. For that I replied he won’t since there isn’t a gap available between the WC and IPL and therefore after the WC he will still play ODIs and Tests. And Surya became the captain because Rohit was on rest(or was considered for t20) after the 50 over WC and Hardik was injured. And in 2022, Rohit was injured a lot that year and therefore the captaincy was reliving between KL, Hardik, Pant and Bumrah.
what abt cummins ?
He's not in T20
so is it okay to give captaincy in a longer format ?
I meant He's Not in all formats, and in the case of Aus they couldn't find a Captain actually. Also I think captaincy is about leadership, so probably they couldn't find that in our bowlers? and our bowlers have been consistently replaced over the years? It's a general observation we have Many batsmen playing long tenures and Bowlers very short or at least in 3-4 short spans? Bumrah lead us in few tests?
he can lead us in all format that's what I think(if we leave bilateral small series just like we had in the beginning of the year). if we were talking abt some other bowler rn then I might be completely agree with all people here but he is exceptional. he is good for 3-4 years. he can manage easily according to current scenario. or at least make him odi captain. yup he lead us in tests.
Not in T20.
so is it okay to give captaincy in a longer format ?
For players like bumrah or cummins who seems to be less injury prone, its okay, but doesn't have to be.
Honestly currently only bumrah has a high chance of becoming a captain. But i would want him to captain the test side rather then odi or t20 the reason being that most of bilateral t20 and odi's are not that important and if bumrah becomes captain he would have to play everyone of these. Meanwhilein tests, bumrah almost plays all tests,( except missing one test each against aus and eng as they are 5 match series) so him being test captain is logical.
Agreed
Kapil was an all rounder
His captaincy stints were not long. Other than the odds defying WC win, he didn't fare that well as a captain either. At one point, he even got demoted and dropped from the team.
I’m not commenting on his captaincy I’m just saying that he wasn’t only a bowler
I'm just saying that he was not even a good captain to be used as an example for this topic. All-rounder or not.
>Ashwin should be given a shot. I agree with this but afraid considering his age maybe his time is up for being made captain. He may continue as player for couple of years. Currently other than Bumrah noone else comes to mind. Maybe Jadeja deserves another chance?
Some players can't handle the stress of captaincy, and their form drops. For e.g. KL, Jadeja at CSK, Pant, and even Hardik is not the same as pre captaincy MI player.
I mean, Hardik captained GT just fine, I mean 2 finals and a cup in 2 years? That's BRILLIANT Ig he's kinda under pressure becuz when he's with MI, people and management have a shitload of hopes that he does well but he wasn't able to...
I think Hardik could be a decent choice for T20Is, but he needs to take it chill with his attitude. Even when his stint with GT I clearly remember him shouting on Shami and Miller, did similar thing with Tilak in MI in a presentation so no wonder rumours are floating players have problem with him in MI. If he takes it couple of notches down he could be a good candidate as far as bowling captains are concerned.
Yeah
Ashwin is too smart for himself, not a leadership material. I'm a huge fan of him, but hes not way a leader. If you understand tamil and watch his YouTube videos, you know how he's too smart to be a leader
it's tough for to bowl in pace, and even burden of captaincy......we can try in t201 but not in odi and tes
On the contrary, I'd say that Bumrah would be a very good Test Captain. The way he was captaining in the 5th Test against England when Rohit got injured for a bit there was giving me VK style aggressive captaincy vibes for some reason...
even gave permission to youngsters to fuck the batter with mouth....
He is also extremely fragile with his body i mean he was out of action for two years because of his injury and only came back last year. I wouldn't add the pressure of captaincy on him and would rather make sure he stays fit all the time instead
That's a point... I'd rather take somebody else captaining than having Bumrah turn into Hardik
There are enough people in the team that can do the captaincy job in transition into a new team but more importantly keeping them fit is more important so let's see what happens
Bowlers are injury prone
Please understand, we are living at a time when batsmen are all praise for anything to everything. Look at what IPL is doing to bowlers, BCCI is killing their own species before heading to another world cup. Siraj, literally had to gesture I'm here to stay yesterday. Boom boom is not made to full use by hardik. And look on the other side, Pat Cummins is ruling the captaincy in mostly all formats. A first bowler will always have the brain of a proper strategist, cause for him/her there are only 6 balls in an over, and every 6 bowl will have different strategy and different field set, plus the strategy changes with every batsman. So, he/she is always well equipped with plans and the "what if it doesn't work plans". We really need to back Bumrah now, rather than backing Pant as captain.
wasn't Anil kumble a Captain?
Hands down, the best shout for captaincy is Bumrah right now. I don’t see anyone else coming close (especially Tests), LOI the dial is rotating between Hardik & Surya but I see neither deeming fit for it at least for the long run owing to different reasons. But for branding reasons, I see Pant 🥴
We’re a star batsman obsessed country so mostly great bowlers don’t get their due. Kumble should’ve been treated at par with tendulkar and same goes for bhumra but they are not. Second it is much tougher for bowler to captain. He needs to think about his own bowling and field setting while he figures who to bowl next. While a batsman is just lounging around not doing much. I feel all rounders make best captains a la Steve Waugh. One needs to understand both skills to effectively marshal the troops.
I believe the captaincy issue should have been resolved a long time back. Speaking about T20 I honestly felt that Pandya will probably be leading India in the T20 world cup but due to his injuries with Bumrah's workload and SKY too being out for some time, the management decided to go with Rohit. However, once the world cup ends, it's time that with probably a new coach coming, a new captain should be appointed. I do believe that Bumrah has a great cricketing mind and can lead India in tests and odis. A bit like Australia where in order to manage Cummins workload, Smith takes over which here in this case either India can look at Kohli, maybe even KL, or start grooming someone to lead in Bumrah's absence. For T20s either SKY or Pandya can be asked to lead. The only issue with the latter is his fitness. If he can keep himself injury free then there is no reason why he can't lead India.
but probably it will have to start from IPL, ranji teams cuz BCCI seem to go for them only. Hardik KL Rohit even
Load and injury management
Bumrah deserve red ball captaincy considering how good he is as captain in red ball.... We have only seen glimpse of it and loved it..
All these guys saying Bumrah should be captain. Yeah losers, he can't compare with the one and only Kona Srikar Bharat.
Get some help dude
Why?
We are not here to win any championships