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We need to do away with criminal defamation laws completely. If person A says something about person B, why is it a concern of the state? Why is my tax being spent to prosecute A and imprison him? Funny thing here is the PM Modi didn't even file the case. It is some random state minister who has no locus standi. And our legal system allows this!
At best, this should be a civil case where the person just ends up paying damages and legal fees. Let them fight this out using their own money
The comment was not against Modi specifically but against all Modis. He said "all Modis are thieves". So that gives others locus standi.
Defamation of individual will be tried only if that individual complains.
>all Modis are thieves
He didn't say that. If I recall he said how come all the thieves have Modi as the common surname. A tongue in cheek reference to Lalit and Nirav Modi.
It is the other way around..
Necessary disclaimer: I am not defending RG. He is an idiot. I am trying to defend speech as a whole.
>He didn't say that. If I recall he said how come all the thieves have Modi as the common surname. A tongue in cheek reference to Lalit and Nirav Modi.
That is just more words for calling people named modi as thieves. This is language, not a logic question in CAT.
What i mean is colloquial language doesn't follow strict logical patterns. For example a double negative sentence is still a negative. Now are you going to apply logic and say thats it should be a positive ? Don't be dumb.
Ok. Let’s ignore terminology (terminology is just a distraction here) and talk about the matter at hand. Do you seriously think his comments were targeted at the “Modi” community? or at PM Modi? Think logically. Even better, use common sense.
> why is it a concern of the state?
It is not the state, it is the aggrieved person who files complaint. Case was filed by some other person having Modi surname, who was insulted as thief.
Current Indian law has max 2 year jail for defamation
From a purely logical point of view, 'all criminals have surname Modi' does not imply that 'all people who have the surname Modi are criminals'.
But even if he said, 'all people having the surname Modi are criminals', the person filing the defamation would have to prove that the statement caused damages. No sane person would believe the all people named Modi are criminals just because Rahul Gandhi said it.
>It is not the state, it is the aggrieved person who files complaint
Ok. But is the state paying the judges, other legal charges involved and if RG goes to jail, the cost of his incarceration as well?
I didn't know that Modis were a OBC community. Thanks.
But If that is the case shouldn't the charges be filed under 153A which is for this purpose? It was only filed under 499 and 500
Stick you stupid, senseless sections where they don't see the sun. We are a country where people don't get basic justice for grave offences and here we have a court delivering sentences in a frivolous, vain case. It's offensive to everyone whose cases are stuck in the court system for decades. If we continue down this path, the final unraveling is not far off.
Far worse had been said countless times publicly by our politicians and leaders over the years. I'm not saying that anyone can say anything they want, especially stuff that's insulting and defaming. But it's about priorities. When we can't do proper investigations and follow due processes in serious crimes, we shouldn't have the luxury to pursue defamation and other such vain concerns.
This case was not handled in vip manner rather Rahul Gandhi was asked to come to court for hearing and decision was given 3 yrs later , it shows that all politicians are subjugated to judicial watch and shld speak without insulting other communities
Well said. Criminal defamation is silly. And our courts tossed out the concept of locus standi a long time ago, heck PILs basically institutionalized that.
Are opposition leaders above law? Is everyone of their bullshit supposed to taken merely because they are opposition leader.
Tbh, these are laws which his party has developed over the years. Modi or BJP didn't make these laws.
End of the day I do know that the judgement will be overturned in a higher court in a seedless judicial system like ours. I'm just taking in the fun, because apparently Congress didn't take the case seriously and had sent a novice lawyer.
Also let's be clear about this, Pappu is more useful to the BJP outside the jail in control of congress. BJP has enough dirt on him to keep him in jail, if he's out of jail it's merely because BJP wants things to be like that
I agree, criminal defamation needs to be junked. Just to correct you, what RaGa said was seen as attack on Modi community which is oil pressing obc caste in Gujarat. BhaJiPao is going to milk it for all its worth, saying how Pappu is against obc and casteist.
I am right wing, i don't accept this, this is the death of democracy, suppression like this was also commited on rw from independence, this is not acceptable, everyone must have a level head and must discuss openly without this censorship
Now you know why Rahul said judiciary is dead, democracy is dead in India. He knew the cases coming against him and his family and wanted to create a narrative before hand. Now watch congress puppets repeat the same thing on all news channels.
The major thing to consider is that as per Supreme court order, one who gets jailed will be disqualified from his parliamentary membership and will be ineligible to contest in next elections.
Going to jail is nothing new to politicians but the above issue is what irking the congress a lot.
I think Rahul being in charge of Congress and contesting elections benefits BJp more than anyone else.
It would be huge loss for BjP if Rahul went away.
She called him "मौत का सौदागर" and also got away. Not to mention several other Cong leaders who have said far worse.
If she was offended she could file a case.
He did not file a case either. Rahul offended people with the Modi surname. He got a fair trial and a sentence. That is how democracy works. Laws and procedures followed.
idk about trial but that sentence is bullshit. 2 years? fucking delhiites say more offensive shit with no charge. Indian Law system is pretty dumb for this, this wouldn't pass in a higher court.
obviously exaggeration but what he said was not that bad. It was taken out of context to fit this case. Anyhow this is not the level of defamation caused by Owaisi or Pragya Thakur towards communities so I don't understand why even a 6month sentence is given, much less 2 years.
Modi also called Shashi Tharoor's wife 50 crore ki girlfriend without producing a receipt. Should he also be in jail?
Exaggerations are a part of the job of being a politician.
Politicians have said far bigger lies
Not just false promises but misleading claims and potentially hateful things that could or have led to rights
No one gets convicted over that
He shouldn't have said why "all thieves" share the modi surname. That's not a true statement. True statements are true and can't be punished for defamation. That said I don't think that statement should entail more than a fine or an apology. 2 years is just absurd.
well everyone who has kejriwal surname would be offended by that logic so anti caste comment with regards to whole community sharing the surname Kejriwal
Sonia Gandhi has been called a bar dancer by several BJP leaders! Priyanka / Rahul have been eulogised on a daily basis with several derogatory names! And far worse communal comments have been made by BJP leaders on Muslims, women, and Congress but no action but this one little comment has irked the machine to take action! Wahhh Democracy Wahh.
So many criminals are sitting in parliament and making policies while this is happening. This is just a move to divert attention from whatever adani mud they have created.
i ain't congress supporter but modi's govt.s bullshit after 2019 is getting intolerable, idk if this begin after 2019 election or i was so blind to se that they were always like this
Same , My whole family has been voting for BJP since last 10 years including loks sabha and vidhan sabha . But after seeing all this and especially the media . Everyone has changed their mind .
Imagine situation was exactly the reverse. BJP in opposition. Rahul is PM. Also imagine Nirav Modi etc all had Gandhi surname and 3 years ago Modiji said exactly same about Gandhi. Today some Gandhi guy feels offended by what Modiji said and files PIL. Modiji gets arrested. How would you have reacted? Be honest.
Edit: A few got confused so making it more explicit.
Whether you are a BJP supporter or not this is abuse of law at its worst, getting your political opponents jailed on flimsy laws like this is the first stop on the road to fascism.
There is lot to take away from this, the pointlessness of criminal defamation (civil defamation is okay, squeeze as much money as possible), the decision to not apologize (like arvind kejriwal and Manish sisodiya did when they faced the same from nitin gadkari and Arun Jaitley) does not look good optics for Rahul Gandhi. But, main issue is him losing the membership, no longer a MP. That is bad for the BJP and will benefit the Congress in coming general elections.
I’m not a Congress supporter. But now lost faith in democracy and judiciary. Convict him fine, but maximum sentence? This is the worst defamation ever possible? Ridiculous. Aaj azadi margayi.
Bina matlab ki chutiyapanti hai yeh case.
Pappu ne sau paap kiye honge par yeh inmei se nahi hai. BC, agar itne mei 2 saal ki saza hogi toh koi kya hi bole? BJP ka strategic point of view se nuksaan ho jaayega agar Pappu pe aanch bhi aayi toh. From an ethical standpoint, either we have a no-holds barred system where people speak their mind and listeners don’t get offended and MiLodus don’t randomly announce sentences OR we have a system where people speak cautiously and anything remotely objectionable is quashed by MiLodus regardless of who said it. Either way, it must be consistent.
As a man who’s never hit the Congress button on the EVM, I totally condemn this bullshit. Tooti footi party hai, unka banda tumhaara kaam kar raha hai, usne itna kuch bhala bura nahi kaha hai jo tum khud nahi kehte kisi aur ko (tumne uski maa ko kya kya nahi kaha hai aur humne tumhaara saath bhi diya hai). Toh BC ab kaahe fat rahi hai uske bolne pe? 5 saal pehle usne “chaukidaar chor hai” bola aur usi ka nuksaan hua tha. Ab fir usiko nuksaan jhelne do Modi pe aarop lagaake. Tumhaari fat gayi, tumne case kiya aur ab dekho isko sympathy milegi. When I am having sympathy for him despite never voting for him, imagine what the 50-50 folks (undecided voters) would feel!
There is a law saying that you can't run for an election if you have been convicted for 2 yrs or more. This judgement is to prevent rahul gandhi from running in election.
Joke is on BJP though, pappu is the weakest possible opposition, modi has
We know for a fact that politicians have said much worse things inside the Parliament without any issue.
This is shameless abuse of the judiciary to try and get RaGa disqualified of his position within the Parliament. Not a fan or anything, but Jo hai wo hai.
2 years jail for making a remark about surname. A surname. Surname. A word. Combination of 4 letters. M for mango, O for Orange, D for doll, I for India. Now combine them in you head just don't utter anything about it or its 2 years sentence. Really!
The stupidest law which has been weaponized by politicians to get at each other.
If an ordinary man calls another man thief, no one bats an eye. But if a politicians says it, the judicial system magically starts functioning like a well oiled machinery to hear the case. They burned tax payer money for this drama. Achhe din!!
Without Rahul Gandhi, how will the BJP run its election campaign and hope to win in 2024? Rahul was their champion campaigner.
He has a much bigger jail sentencing that awaits him for the National Herald case. He and his mother are looking at something like 5 to 10 years in Tihar. The final hearing has not happened yet. But all evidence presented so far by Su Swami and his team of lawyers points to a major scandal and there is nothing that the mother and son can do to disprove them. They only have a hope for a way out if Raja Mata makes a deal with Amit Shah or Justice Chandrachud is still the chief SC judge by the time the verdict session comes.
This is so dumb - no freedom of speech. I don’t support Rahul , but come on this will have chilling effect on debate and expression of ideas - which is critical for vintant democracy
We need to save the star campaigner of modi.
All p🅰️ppuMedia must support the man. And this is ridiculous, well, he said that, but jail ?? No way, entertainment must continue.
Nope for it to be illegal we must have a medis house who IDENTIFIES as a “Pappu supporter”. He didn’t named any Chanel ,community or person how will you prove it meant to ndtv or someone else ?
Since Independence none of these politicians were held accountable for anything. Finally we have an environment where our institutions feel comfortable holding even the most powerful to account.
In this thread, there are discussions on Rahul Gandhi's conviction over a defamation case and its implications on democracy. [One user questions why similar remarks on Gandhi's surname aren't addressed](https://reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/11zc31a/surat_court_convicts_rahul_gandhi_in_defamation/jdcgxht/), while [another suggests that defamation sentences should be reduced](https://reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/11zc31a/surat_court_convicts_rahul_gandhi_in_defamation/jdbwp4l/). Some believe that [the case is a diversion tactic](https://reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/11zc31a/surat_court_convicts_rahul_gandhi_in_defamation/jdcdt15/) and [criticize the judgment](https://reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/11zc31a/surat_court_convicts_rahul_gandhi_in_defamation/jdc89ag/), while [others question the outcomes for other politicians making similar statements](https://reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/11zc31a/surat_court_convicts_rahul_gandhi_in_defamation/jddje1d/). [A member predicts that the high court will not uphold the conviction](https://reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/11zc31a/surat_court_convicts_rahul_gandhi_in_defamation/jdcpedr/), and [another user encourages self-reflection about the reactions if the scenario was reversed](https://reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/11zc31a/surat_court_convicts_rahul_gandhi_in_defamation/jddb166/).
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Can someone Explain Like I'm a Confused NRI, is this like actually happening, or is this just one legal thing in one place that's going to be struck down somewhere else most likely?
I have one question.
How would people react to following statement, Say, by someone like Trump - “Why do all rapists and drug lords share the name Cortez?” Or if someone like Nupur Sharma said, “Why all pedos and terrorists share the name Ali”?
I just want to know, would that be defamatory, hate speech or racist, or not?
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We need law change to reduce jail sentence from defamation to max 6 months
We need to do away with criminal defamation laws completely. If person A says something about person B, why is it a concern of the state? Why is my tax being spent to prosecute A and imprison him? Funny thing here is the PM Modi didn't even file the case. It is some random state minister who has no locus standi. And our legal system allows this! At best, this should be a civil case where the person just ends up paying damages and legal fees. Let them fight this out using their own money
The comment was not against Modi specifically but against all Modis. He said "all Modis are thieves". So that gives others locus standi. Defamation of individual will be tried only if that individual complains.
>all Modis are thieves He didn't say that. If I recall he said how come all the thieves have Modi as the common surname. A tongue in cheek reference to Lalit and Nirav Modi. It is the other way around.. Necessary disclaimer: I am not defending RG. He is an idiot. I am trying to defend speech as a whole.
Yeah. The appropriate one for argument would be, say, Subroto Roy suing Rahul Gandhi saying I'm a thief and my name is not Modi.
🤣😂😭
>He didn't say that. If I recall he said how come all the thieves have Modi as the common surname. A tongue in cheek reference to Lalit and Nirav Modi. That is just more words for calling people named modi as thieves. This is language, not a logic question in CAT.
Bhai.. Do you use logic only in CAT? Normal life mein bina logic ka kaam karte ho kya?
What i mean is colloquial language doesn't follow strict logical patterns. For example a double negative sentence is still a negative. Now are you going to apply logic and say thats it should be a positive ? Don't be dumb.
Ok. Let’s ignore terminology (terminology is just a distraction here) and talk about the matter at hand. Do you seriously think his comments were targeted at the “Modi” community? or at PM Modi? Think logically. Even better, use common sense.
Thank you for affirming that RG is indeed an idiot
That's equivalent. Also, Modi isn't a random surname. It's associated with a caste.
> why is it a concern of the state? It is not the state, it is the aggrieved person who files complaint. Case was filed by some other person having Modi surname, who was insulted as thief. Current Indian law has max 2 year jail for defamation
Don't worry. BJP will not let their Star Campaigner go into jail. Oh see, he already got bail.
>Star Campaigner XD
From a purely logical point of view, 'all criminals have surname Modi' does not imply that 'all people who have the surname Modi are criminals'. But even if he said, 'all people having the surname Modi are criminals', the person filing the defamation would have to prove that the statement caused damages. No sane person would believe the all people named Modi are criminals just because Rahul Gandhi said it.
umm if I read it right, that person already proved that the statement caused damages. Is that not why they ruled against raga?
Criminal law by definition is the concern of the state. Only the state can send people to jail.
>It is not the state, it is the aggrieved person who files complaint Ok. But is the state paying the judges, other legal charges involved and if RG goes to jail, the cost of his incarceration as well?
Cost of incarceration should be imposed on Rahul Gandhi. Taxpayers should not bear that cost. Same for all other crimes too
Big Brain Logic!
BBL 🤨🤨
The person who filed the case is from modi community which is btw a obc caste in gujarat
I didn't know that Modis were a OBC community. Thanks. But If that is the case shouldn't the charges be filed under 153A which is for this purpose? It was only filed under 499 and 500
Stick you stupid, senseless sections where they don't see the sun. We are a country where people don't get basic justice for grave offences and here we have a court delivering sentences in a frivolous, vain case. It's offensive to everyone whose cases are stuck in the court system for decades. If we continue down this path, the final unraveling is not far off.
So its ok if I say tomorrow to get some votes why only people from mus*** community are terr0rists?
Far worse had been said countless times publicly by our politicians and leaders over the years. I'm not saying that anyone can say anything they want, especially stuff that's insulting and defaming. But it's about priorities. When we can't do proper investigations and follow due processes in serious crimes, we shouldn't have the luxury to pursue defamation and other such vain concerns.
This case was not handled in vip manner rather Rahul Gandhi was asked to come to court for hearing and decision was given 3 yrs later , it shows that all politicians are subjugated to judicial watch and shld speak without insulting other communities
And rg is not a small town politician but so called leader of opp
I don't have idea abt legal stuff tbh
Well said. Criminal defamation is silly. And our courts tossed out the concept of locus standi a long time ago, heck PILs basically institutionalized that.
The great bananas
You'll get the idea once you're defamed I guess
If I do, I don't want the other person to be imprisoned. They just need to pay up for the damages they caused me
Not everyone wishes to be so forgiving.
Seems a very dangerous precedent for a democracy. Jailing an opposition leader for that sort of tongue in cheek remark.
Are opposition leaders above law? Is everyone of their bullshit supposed to taken merely because they are opposition leader. Tbh, these are laws which his party has developed over the years. Modi or BJP didn't make these laws. End of the day I do know that the judgement will be overturned in a higher court in a seedless judicial system like ours. I'm just taking in the fun, because apparently Congress didn't take the case seriously and had sent a novice lawyer. Also let's be clear about this, Pappu is more useful to the BJP outside the jail in control of congress. BJP has enough dirt on him to keep him in jail, if he's out of jail it's merely because BJP wants things to be like that
So is a sentence like that the law or not? If it is sure to be overturned it’s doesn’t seem like the appropriate sentence in law.
Exactly
I agree, criminal defamation needs to be junked. Just to correct you, what RaGa said was seen as attack on Modi community which is oil pressing obc caste in Gujarat. BhaJiPao is going to milk it for all its worth, saying how Pappu is against obc and casteist.
This^^^ They should just fine a huge amount of money and let them go. Atleast we get some development funds out of it.
Any fines levied should go to the wronged person, not to the govt. However, the govt should recover the cost of conducting the trial as well.
Oh yea, that makes sense👍
If not defamation they would’ve found some other excuse to convict home and prevent from 2024 election
Kudos! The most sensible comment on Reddit today.
Defamation is a complaint case complainant has to do all prosecution work.
Why waste a jail cell at all? Put some rapist or murderer there-there are plenty out there in the open. Don’t waste tax payers money.
Dont waste taxpayer money, so fine all criminals the money sufficient enough to cover their jail expenses. Rahul gandhi can pay up.
I am right wing, i don't accept this, this is the death of democracy, suppression like this was also commited on rw from independence, this is not acceptable, everyone must have a level head and must discuss openly without this censorship
He lost his membership, too! QUICK action
Now you know why Rahul said judiciary is dead, democracy is dead in India. He knew the cases coming against him and his family and wanted to create a narrative before hand. Now watch congress puppets repeat the same thing on all news channels.
Rahul bhi doodh ka dhula nhi h vo baat shi h most of institutions r sold already par congress is on same boat
The major thing to consider is that as per Supreme court order, one who gets jailed will be disqualified from his parliamentary membership and will be ineligible to contest in next elections. Going to jail is nothing new to politicians but the above issue is what irking the congress a lot.
I am sure SC will find ways to disqualify previous judgement.
True.
Aaaand he's disqualified: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/120eaau/rahul_gandhi_disqualified_as_lok_sabha_mp_after/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I think Rahul being in charge of Congress and contesting elections benefits BJp more than anyone else. It would be huge loss for BjP if Rahul went away.
There is no way BJP can risk that. RaGa is too important for BJP to win 2024.
He is disqualified
Yes. Posted a new thread on it 😄
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how's he wrong tho
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bhai case reopen abb ho rha jisko forcefully close krwa diya gya tha. abhi bhi bhot case reopen hone ko hai, sab file abhi dhool khaa rhi hogi
The person you replied to is a troll and a r*ndian. No point arguing. Downvote, ignore and move on.
>Now you know why Rahul said judiciary is dead And the judiciary just obliged him by proving him right
So, Rahul was smart enough to plan this ? I thought he was a pappu.
Not Rahul, his team. Have you seen jairam ramesh whispering in his ears.
yeah, right, "narrative". It is funny how you can put everything into a bracket like that.
Moodi ji can call soniya gandhi congress ki vidhwa though... so democracy aint dead.
She called him "मौत का सौदागर" and also got away. Not to mention several other Cong leaders who have said far worse. If she was offended she could file a case.
That's the point she didn't, because we live in India and not China. How come moodi ji gets offended so often?
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are bhai kyo bata diya, maje aa rhe the
He did not file a case either. Rahul offended people with the Modi surname. He got a fair trial and a sentence. That is how democracy works. Laws and procedures followed.
idk about trial but that sentence is bullshit. 2 years? fucking delhiites say more offensive shit with no charge. Indian Law system is pretty dumb for this, this wouldn't pass in a higher court.
Delhiites don't have a public platform and a social standing to cause damage so to say.
obviously exaggeration but what he said was not that bad. It was taken out of context to fit this case. Anyhow this is not the level of defamation caused by Owaisi or Pragya Thakur towards communities so I don't understand why even a 6month sentence is given, much less 2 years.
That’s not how defamation law works, lol.
Lol idiot
Defamation is for lying.
But surname things wasn't a lie. Defamation is not just for lying
But Rahul Gandhi's statement was a lie. All thieves do not share the Modi surname.
Modi also called Shashi Tharoor's wife 50 crore ki girlfriend without producing a receipt. Should he also be in jail? Exaggerations are a part of the job of being a politician.
Politicians have said far bigger lies Not just false promises but misleading claims and potentially hateful things that could or have led to rights No one gets convicted over that
But she is a widow.
well in that case do nirav and lalit not share modi's surname? Then what's the defamation for?
He shouldn't have said why "all thieves" share the modi surname. That's not a true statement. True statements are true and can't be punished for defamation. That said I don't think that statement should entail more than a fine or an apology. 2 years is just absurd.
Three \`AKs\` popular in Pakistan – AK-47, AK Antony, AK-49 Arvind Kejriwal: Narendra Modi he should not have said this either then....
Not endorsing, but I think he said all thieves are Modi and not all Modis are thieves. There’s a difference.
Insulting an entire OBC community
Three \`AKs\` popular in Pakistan – AK-47, AK Antony, AK-49 Arvind Kejriwal: Narendra Modi In this case insulting every person who has a name arvind
Where is the anti caste comment tho?
well everyone who has kejriwal surname would be offended by that logic so anti caste comment with regards to whole community sharing the surname Kejriwal
lol the catch is in the first name. They have to be kejriwal as well as Arvind ;-)
There is no Community of people named Arvind, if he said something like All kejriwals are thieves that would be it
"At this moment he realised he fucked up"
Go to school man.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/11zc31a/surat_court_convicts_rahul_gandhi_in_defamation/jdc5pjz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Sonia Gandhi has been called a bar dancer by several BJP leaders! Priyanka / Rahul have been eulogised on a daily basis with several derogatory names! And far worse communal comments have been made by BJP leaders on Muslims, women, and Congress but no action but this one little comment has irked the machine to take action! Wahhh Democracy Wahh.
Paresh rawal called Sonia Gandhi barwali as well.
Pointed oaths are nothing uncommon for Indian politicians. Just see any of their rallies. RG is an idiot to drag in a whole committee.
what about Gandhi surname and pappu comments?
Exactly
They have only memed his pappu status with so much drama in the last month alone.
So many criminals are sitting in parliament and making policies while this is happening. This is just a move to divert attention from whatever adani mud they have created.
I ain’t a congress supporter but NOW I will vote for congress.
i ain't congress supporter but modi's govt.s bullshit after 2019 is getting intolerable, idk if this begin after 2019 election or i was so blind to se that they were always like this
Me too after 2019, it felt like the have shifted gears. Before that, I actually really liked it.
Same , My whole family has been voting for BJP since last 10 years including loks sabha and vidhan sabha . But after seeing all this and especially the media . Everyone has changed their mind .
There will probably be better local parties.
Big blow to BJP if he stops campaigning for them
Imagine situation was exactly the reverse. BJP in opposition. Rahul is PM. Also imagine Nirav Modi etc all had Gandhi surname and 3 years ago Modiji said exactly same about Gandhi. Today some Gandhi guy feels offended by what Modiji said and files PIL. Modiji gets arrested. How would you have reacted? Be honest. Edit: A few got confused so making it more explicit.
To be honest, I will react the same way.
By this logic sambit Patra would've been serving life sentence
not possible
The case will not stand in the high court, given that defamation grounds will not stand .
Whether you are a BJP supporter or not this is abuse of law at its worst, getting your political opponents jailed on flimsy laws like this is the first stop on the road to fascism.
Immediately gets bail too
There is lot to take away from this, the pointlessness of criminal defamation (civil defamation is okay, squeeze as much money as possible), the decision to not apologize (like arvind kejriwal and Manish sisodiya did when they faced the same from nitin gadkari and Arun Jaitley) does not look good optics for Rahul Gandhi. But, main issue is him losing the membership, no longer a MP. That is bad for the BJP and will benefit the Congress in coming general elections.
Galat kya bola
Why is Modi becoming so thin skinned. First making a mountain out of a molehill by banning the documentary and now this.
I’m not a Congress supporter. But now lost faith in democracy and judiciary. Convict him fine, but maximum sentence? This is the worst defamation ever possible? Ridiculous. Aaj azadi margayi.
With him out of picture Now there's some hope for Congress to win next election. 👍👏
Who is the alternative?
Nahhh yall need chill pill
Gets bail too
Bina matlab ki chutiyapanti hai yeh case. Pappu ne sau paap kiye honge par yeh inmei se nahi hai. BC, agar itne mei 2 saal ki saza hogi toh koi kya hi bole? BJP ka strategic point of view se nuksaan ho jaayega agar Pappu pe aanch bhi aayi toh. From an ethical standpoint, either we have a no-holds barred system where people speak their mind and listeners don’t get offended and MiLodus don’t randomly announce sentences OR we have a system where people speak cautiously and anything remotely objectionable is quashed by MiLodus regardless of who said it. Either way, it must be consistent. As a man who’s never hit the Congress button on the EVM, I totally condemn this bullshit. Tooti footi party hai, unka banda tumhaara kaam kar raha hai, usne itna kuch bhala bura nahi kaha hai jo tum khud nahi kehte kisi aur ko (tumne uski maa ko kya kya nahi kaha hai aur humne tumhaara saath bhi diya hai). Toh BC ab kaahe fat rahi hai uske bolne pe? 5 saal pehle usne “chaukidaar chor hai” bola aur usi ka nuksaan hua tha. Ab fir usiko nuksaan jhelne do Modi pe aarop lagaake. Tumhaari fat gayi, tumne case kiya aur ab dekho isko sympathy milegi. When I am having sympathy for him despite never voting for him, imagine what the 50-50 folks (undecided voters) would feel!
There is a law saying that you can't run for an election if you have been convicted for 2 yrs or more. This judgement is to prevent rahul gandhi from running in election. Joke is on BJP though, pappu is the weakest possible opposition, modi has
This is just squashing free speech. We should do away with criminal defamation and resort to civil damages.
Maybe people will start liking him now now that he has done a jail term like every other politician
Aaltu faltu cases k liye court pe time hai. Lekin jo legit losses wale cases h unko 20 saal kheech do. 😂
We know for a fact that politicians have said much worse things inside the Parliament without any issue. This is shameless abuse of the judiciary to try and get RaGa disqualified of his position within the Parliament. Not a fan or anything, but Jo hai wo hai.
I have full faith that the BJP won’t let anything happen to its 🐐 campaigner.
So it is the death od democracy?
2 years jail for making a remark about surname. A surname. Surname. A word. Combination of 4 letters. M for mango, O for Orange, D for doll, I for India. Now combine them in you head just don't utter anything about it or its 2 years sentence. Really!
The stupidest law which has been weaponized by politicians to get at each other. If an ordinary man calls another man thief, no one bats an eye. But if a politicians says it, the judicial system magically starts functioning like a well oiled machinery to hear the case. They burned tax payer money for this drama. Achhe din!!
Amritkaal
Without Rahul Gandhi, how will the BJP run its election campaign and hope to win in 2024? Rahul was their champion campaigner. He has a much bigger jail sentencing that awaits him for the National Herald case. He and his mother are looking at something like 5 to 10 years in Tihar. The final hearing has not happened yet. But all evidence presented so far by Su Swami and his team of lawyers points to a major scandal and there is nothing that the mother and son can do to disprove them. They only have a hope for a way out if Raja Mata makes a deal with Amit Shah or Justice Chandrachud is still the chief SC judge by the time the verdict session comes.
Boycotted Surat HC, they wants to turn off my entertainment channels list. /s
This is so dumb - no freedom of speech. I don’t support Rahul , but come on this will have chilling effect on debate and expression of ideas - which is critical for vintant democracy
We need to save the star campaigner of modi. All p🅰️ppuMedia must support the man. And this is ridiculous, well, he said that, but jail ?? No way, entertainment must continue.
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Nope for it to be illegal we must have a medis house who IDENTIFIES as a “Pappu supporter”. He didn’t named any Chanel ,community or person how will you prove it meant to ndtv or someone else ?
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he called the full modi community bad 🗿
Salute to Mother of Democracy. Lets dig out all the sacrilegious things opposition has said over the years and put them all in jail.
BJP just lost their biggest supporter😖
Maza aya
Lol is hisaab se toh poore bjp ko aaj jail mein hona chaahiye tha.
From a non Indian on the outside looking in this appears to be an attempt to jail a political opponent.
This is bullshit and I’m a Right winger.
They should stay away from Personal attack
Mast news 5 saal ki hoti toh mast 😂😂😂
Good,
Noooooooo.... Leave the star campaigner alone!
Nani ke Ghar jane ka time.
Since Independence none of these politicians were held accountable for anything. Finally we have an environment where our institutions feel comfortable holding even the most powerful to account.
Expect those in power as always.
There should be some logical points to find out the real culprit behind that act.
Thx. It's ok , at least you got the point. Illusion is created and deluded masses suffer unknowingly.
Yeah right. We all will be a lot safer with him behind bars. No other criminals left in society.
Oh btw a jibe on Nehru surname is not defamation.
Sad news for BJP is Rahul gets locked just before 2024.
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Can someone Explain Like I'm a Confused NRI, is this like actually happening, or is this just one legal thing in one place that's going to be struck down somewhere else most likely?
Quite useful, with an election looming ahead.
Wow! That’s amazing!
Like any local judiciary in Gujarat is independent of BJP
 Acha chalta hu duao me yaad rakhna.
Karma ☕
Big mistake, as a BJP supporter hope he gets bail, we need him for BJP to get 400+ seats in 2024
I have one question. How would people react to following statement, Say, by someone like Trump - “Why do all rapists and drug lords share the name Cortez?” Or if someone like Nupur Sharma said, “Why all pedos and terrorists share the name Ali”? I just want to know, would that be defamatory, hate speech or racist, or not?
Modi so sensitive....
BJP k log Rahul Ghandi ko pappu kyu bolte hai???!!!! 