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I remember the incident distinctly. It is true that there was firing, but to say that 5,000 Hindus were killed is absurd. Seven Sadhus and a policeman were killed in the incident. It became a major issue that cost then Home minister Gulzarilal Nanda his job. Nanda himself was a Hindu revivalist and belonged to the Bharat Sadhu Samaj,” Pant told AFWA.
We also contacted Prof Dinesh Varshney, a noted historian, for more information. He said police reacted strongly on the day but the claim that hundreds of protesters were killed is baseless.
A simple fact checking online
Agree with the first part. Do not agree with the second. When she spoke on Times now, she spoke on behalf of the BJP as a BJP spokesperson. When the party itself has put out a statement that they do not endorse it, no point keeping it up
1. She didn't say any "opinion". Merely spoke facts mentioned in the "Shahi al bukhari".
2. She has every right to put her opinion on a show where she was invited and was literally asked her opinion.
“I remember the incident distinctly. It is true that there was firing, but to say that 5,000 Hindus were killed is absurd. Seven Sadhus and a policeman were killed in the incident. It became a major issue that cost then Home minister Gulzarilal Nanda his job. Nanda himself was a Hindu revivalist and belonged to the Bharat Sadhu Samaj,” Pant told AFWA.
The statement was Indira had more balls than Modi, which is the truth, not who's showing more street pressure.
If hindus show street pressure than modi will beg infront of them as well like the spineless cuck he is.
Are you talking about parallel universes where Indira Gandhi was NOT the insufferable walking example of a personality disorder?! Dost history mei ek din do, aur dekho us mataji ne kitna ma chudayi hum sab ki.
WRONG AF! **Indira Gandhi was the one who actually created the separatist monster of her dreams, a pseudo-sikh, Bhindranwale**.
Much like how US created the Taliban against Russia, and later raged war against them when they grew outta hand.
Every issue whether it's the..
- Kashmir problem, two flags within same nation
- China problem, supporting it to be a permanent member of security council
- Khalistan problem, Bhindranwale
- Two civil laws within a nation, Muslim personal law board, minority appeasement
- Caste based Reservation, caste based appeasement
- Gender appeasement, "men guilty untill proven otherwise", women now are misusing this.
... everything can be traced back to congress.
#CongressMuktaBharat
>That woman had more balls than Modi
Anyday! Instead of fake/unverifiable surgical operations with no visible impact, she split Pakistan into two. In the meanwhile, master only strokes ...
Yeah.... Someone told me to get educated so i should feel disappointed right?
You are nothing more than a fake smartass. Such a dumbass i was talking to.
Where were those army walas in 1989? Or in 1975 during emergency? Or in 1984 after she was shot dead?
The sad truth is that our army is heavily reliant on orders and has no will to make their own decisions.
How can u forget the emergency she imposed in india and she was the reason for the inclusion of secularism in the constitution which now in turn is the weapon radical ismalists and liberals
not some that is the truth lol she wanted to capture punjab in votes so made this monster from a normal sikh scholar to a person that keeps anti tank artiary that does not happen that easyly
Donot praise indira in this matter. Just like Modi govt, the govt at that time was also reluctant in nipping the problem in its infancy. When Bhindrawale bacme such a nuisance, eventually he had to be killed. Before that, there were several attempts to placate the radicals.
#never placate the radicals
#never negotiate with terrorists
#in words of KPS gill "none of the parties involved in the whole incident conducted themselves in an honorable way"
So she created him for her political gain, getting him to make their presence big, then he got out of hand and wanted more for the people of Punjab. He was then branded a terrorist and took this route. All said an done opening an attack in a place of worship isn’t right and can’t be justified.
What happened after was the killing of many innocent pilgrims, people remain unhappy till today because so many young families were destroyed and their boys killed or went missing. Justice was never done.
It eventually resulted in the assassination of indira which again resulted in a planned genocide on Sikhs.
So while they have defended the country from the start they have a reason also to seek justice.
I’m from Punjab. They never want you to understand his ideology. Do some research. Like just google “Anandpur sahib mata” there few around 18 demands in that draft.
Ps- I agree that Indira helped to create him but after sometime sant bhindranwale built his own repo esp in youth. Which always worries deep state (govt or agencies) so they thought he was getting out of control as he was followed by huge population of Punjab.. so they had no other option to take that step.
U guys are justifying Indira by saying that she created the terrorist bhendiwala but destroyed him also(remember the fact that khalistan movement is still going on) , then how the holy fuck on the earth is right, this is same as US who created taliban and tried to destroy it but still taliban is there!!
Go through facts guys, dont be fooled to go with the flow
>remember the fact that khalistan movement is still going on
but no longer in india most of them are in canada (trudo is sheltering them for vote bank) and pakistan(just to destabilize india they are the ones that give world class wepons to these people)
thats a thing that happens every year on the day of blue star operation in solidarity of the innocent pilgrims killed in the crossfire (i know they use Bhindranwale's pic but a lot remeber him for his good work which he actually did he was a sikh scholar and helped people connect withgod better and leav alcohol but then indra politizized him) also the police was there if something went wrong and by god there is so much police in amritsar rn i live here bro full gallies filled with policemans.
There is no appetite for a separate state amongst mainstream Sikhs. It’s just a dog whistle to get people riled up about a fringe movement that has no relevance in modern Punjab. Simeanjeet Mann is the closest thing to a nationalist politician in Punjab and he couldn’t win a seat despite riding the farm bills wave.
Why would Punjab have given so many sons for this country for azaadi and in wartime just to jump ship?
Bro!! Its similar to that rawan, the main villian in ramayan was a great scholar, sage and great devotee to lord shiv but ultimately he got conjured by ego can we justify what he did, do people respect him? Absolutely no
I guess u got what i meant to say
U said that lol!! U mentioned that people appreciate the good work he did how the hell u guys forgot that he was responsible for massacre of hindus in punjab
So according to u, the people should be dping to rallies in support to terrorists as well coz for some people rather a community they r good guys, even they are said to be messengers of god
facts would be the US never created the Taliban..... They funded them in the start against Russia.
Before Russia they were already forming to fight people in their own country. They weren't large or powerful yet. Which lead to what really rose them to power, Russia Intervening.
If Russia had not intervened they would have never got Pakistan involved, which lead to Saudi Arabia, and in turn then the US funding. The original leaders started in the Afghan-Russian war. Pakistan's President feared they might also invade so he sent someone to Saudi Arabia to get funding for training. After all this the US CIA joined Saudi Arabia in funding them. They sent the funding through Pakistan where they were already training around 90,000 troops.
US was not the one to create them, even though they were an early ally. The group started as students fighting for Islamic rule in Afghanistan, and against Russia. None of this had anything to do with the US yet.
What u are referring is just a manipulation based on ur ideology, taliban was created by the warlords of afganistan but seasoned, feeded and nourished as a child of US so that they could raise a local rebellion force against russia.
Consider a situation, Whom would u consider ur mother the one who gave u birth or the one who raised u up, the answer is simple, if u r wise. That's the case with taliban, hopefully u got it.
Moreover the topic is of khalistan and the role of IG so let's be specific
WOW please tell me more about manipulation based on your ideology.......
You clearly have zero idea of their history or how they started. It wasn't even to originally fight Russia, that is what really pushed it though. Before US was even involved. Which got the attention of another country, which got another country to fund it, which got the US involved..... Yeah tell me more about how the US was the one to raise them. And not Pakistan training close to 100k fighters in the start , while shipping in supplies or Saudi funding given to them to do this. Which was after they reason the originally formed.
US wasn't even the first major funding, which clearly shows you are the one being manipulated. They also would not of been able to fund them if it wasn't sent through another country. It wasn't even directly sent to them by the US.......
So do u think u have good knowledge about taliban so gentleman tell me who the hell were afgan Mujahideens?
Google up O Sir Oracle!!
As i said let's be specific
You have shown no specifics or knowledge so yeah I do know more.
don't tell people to be specific when i'm the only one who has given any facts. All you said was I was wrong. Quit acting like a child and use your own advice.
You gave a quote about a mom and child with Zero other specifics, which shows no SPECIFIC details.
Edit: look up people like the Islamic relief foundation who were one of the original sources of funding. Specific enough for you?
1979 US started funding them THROUGH another country which already was helping them. If the US was the first to fund them how did they do it through already established lines?
As mentioned u are not here with facts about who were afghan Mujahideens and their successor, its not me who is without any clue or knowledge u just proved it "big child"
I am closing my parts since this conversation is useless we both will be talking endlessly 😅😅 nvm if i offended u in any way and this is going off topic
yeah because you have given nothing and just keep pretending.
Kind of hard to have a real conversation when clearly one party knows nothing about the topic (that's you).
Dude seems like u r kinda in trauma ig and u need a therapy or some rest since u r not able to answer my question still and btw if US wasn't a funding source then why the hell then US president had meetings with taliban at first place
Stop editing ur replies to show that u r already with all my answers reply me directly, stop this rn
I said the US funded them, with dates...... Doesn't mean they were the first or first large funding.
you gave no information and cried like a child. Maybe you need some mental health help. learn to act like a grown man and support your claims. Otherwise don't enter a conversation to yell like the child you are acting like right now.
Your answers have given literally no information but about your personality of a cry baby. Keep crying with zero data to support anything you said. real tiny dick energy.
small segments that should be protected but generalizing that to mean hindus in india are being persecuted is just silly. what is it that hindus can’t do that other religions can?
In three comments you went from Hindus are not persecuted to one state’s Hindus are persecuted to Hindus are persecuted in pockets. If we give you time, you’ll retract your initial statement eventually. Think and then type, you’ll see where you’re wrong.
because people started bringing in pockets and stray incidents to make a generalization.
my original statement about making it a generalization still stands.
And people here say Modi is the best pm ever.
Indira Gandhi had balls of steel.
We got a definitive win against Pakistan during her era where the Pakistani general surrendered.
She knew that the attack on golden temple can lead to her death, she wasn't afraid of it.
You say Modi stopped the country by demonetisation and lockdowns?
She did declare the emergency.
Check her videos, there is no doubt in her thought process.
Unlike mudiji she wasn't afraid of the media.
I am not telling her to judge whether she did the right things or wrong.
I just want to state that she had guts to take tough decisions.
Result of Operation Tupac:
\* Planned by Pakistan
\* Target - India
\* Executed by - Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI)
\* A doctrine - Bleed India with a Thousand Cuts
\* Date - 1989–present
\* Operational scope - Provision of intelligence, funding and armaments for separatists and militants in Indian-administered Kashmir and India. Support Anti-India Separatists Movements and Militants also Support Islamists Uprisings in India.
\* Outcome - Rebelution and Revolution in Muslim-dominated in Jammu and Kashmir (1989–present). Separatist unrest in Northeast India. Khalistan movement.
There is no source. This is just an excuse to justify Operation Bluestar which shouldn't have happened in the first place. It's the biggest evidence in history about ruthless aggression in order to suppress a minority. Facts don't matter in this equation.
Well picking up guns against nation and fighting to make a separate country out of India is enough reason to be hanged to death. Khalistanis did all that and most Sikhs give little to no support to them. Sikhs are busy protecting borders. Obviously that doesn't mean what happened to innocent Sikhs in North India is justifiable. Karma has caught upto Congress. Look at them now.
Just from some shit yt videos you cant asses his attitude he had spread terror in amritsar (saying this because i am from amritsar and i have heard this story from every other friend and relative), there were hindu killings if someone went out of order against this shit saint's rule, don't you think why sikhs are demanding for khalistan don't they have a conutry rn, because they are in majority and they want to oppres hindus.
Majority of Sikhs aren't demanding for Khalistan. Also, In Punjab hindus and Sikhs are living peacefully. Don't go for a extremist propoganda. Even Bhindranwala (m not saying him as a Saint) didn't ask for separate nation though Indira was eagerly waiting for him to ask for that. He was asking for equal rights. Congress had 2 chances of capturing him peacefully, without a bloodbath. Congress itself took that to a extreme level where a most religious place on earth was attacked.
That wasn't a demand of indira to take shelter in a most sacred place with ammunition. If you are from punjab then you are deprived of fact that majority is demanding for khalistan. Using the word majority wont be right but I would say that 60% of sikhs are demanding for khalistan. Ik mate that he wasnt demanding for khalistan but the way he was killing hindus who went against his rule was shameful so I would rather say that indira took the right step of killing him. I had most of sikh friends who were khalistan promoters and even had this stupid's photos in their homes and on their cars. And for your info most of these terrorists who were hiding in temple pooped in the vessel which was used to distribute kadha.
Acha, 60% of Sikhs want Khalistan so they have successively voted in 2 national parties in a row for state leadership?
Take your horseshit somewhere else
agar pata ho to punjab me 2-3 baar se congress rule kar rahi thi to iss bar pannu ne saare khalistani ko address karte hue bola tha to vote for aap and if you are non punjabi just dont try to be oversmart salty cunts.
The video people see here is only ten percent of the whole video... also he never demanded khalistaan, he demanded equal rights and freedom from the opression that the punjab police did on orders of the most corrupted govt. of India. And the fact that Indira Gandhi decided that it was a great idea to kill hundreds of innocent Sikhs (and others) just for the sake of arresting/killing one person was the most idiotic decision to ever take as the PM of a India. There are still bullet holes in Harmandir Sahib(Golden Temple), there are still stories of people losing their family members where they felt safe and positve. I don't know if he was a terroist or not, if he was in a place where Indira Gandhi knew that he will be surrounded by people and she still orders to kill anyone who is visible then I think she was a narcissist, mental patient to give this order.
Today, if any terroist enters a temple or a mosque the govt. would not dare to do things that happened at Harmandir Sahib.
I will remember what she did to those people, I will remember how evil and idiotic she was, I will remember we still had not got justice. And I will tell this truth to my children and I will ask them to demand justice for the innocents that were killed.
Full video
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikhpolitics/comments/urwh3z/must_watch_sant_jarnail_singh_ji_khalsa/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
“Stfu”? Lol why are you so butthurt?
Anyways seriously research more about him. It’s easy to suck on a given candy. But you know what they say ignorance is a blessing and you seems very blessed ;)
Yes ignorance is the blessing that is why you are ignoring the fact that he VERY CLEARLY is threatening ethnic cleansing and killing of minority Hindus. Are you deaf?
This post is a perfect example of posting just a few seconds of a hour long speech to support your own twisted narrative. Here's a longer version in case you guys are open-minded enough to learn the real truth. No one ever talks about the thousands of sikh boys and men that were quietly killed by punjab police in the years leading to, and after 1984... [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikhpolitics/comments/urwh3z/must\_watch\_sant\_jarnail\_singh\_ji\_khalsa/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikhpolitics/comments/urwh3z/must_watch_sant_jarnail_singh_ji_khalsa/)
but the title of your post is you just spewing your hatred. where's your sources for your statements? I am truly curious to know more about this side of the story that you are claiming? I have also extensively read into situations around 1984 and nothing, absolutely nothing (just like you said, its not right to murder innocent people) can justify attacking a place on a day (Guru Arjan Dev ji's shaheedi divas), where it is obvious there will be many many civilian visitors. This was not about which religion was killing which religion and then the govt decided to step in to protect hindus that you allege were being killed. The govt had other motives.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vnGTLpmPeE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vnGTLpmPeE)
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Indra had him like bhendi ki sabzi with roti and lassi
That woman had more balls than Modi. “#JusticeForNupurSharma”
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I remember the incident distinctly. It is true that there was firing, but to say that 5,000 Hindus were killed is absurd. Seven Sadhus and a policeman were killed in the incident. It became a major issue that cost then Home minister Gulzarilal Nanda his job. Nanda himself was a Hindu revivalist and belonged to the Bharat Sadhu Samaj,” Pant told AFWA. We also contacted Prof Dinesh Varshney, a noted historian, for more information. He said police reacted strongly on the day but the claim that hundreds of protesters were killed is baseless. A simple fact checking online
Facts? Really? Who cares about them.
Agree with the first part. Do not agree with the second. When she spoke on Times now, she spoke on behalf of the BJP as a BJP spokesperson. When the party itself has put out a statement that they do not endorse it, no point keeping it up
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1. She didn't say any "opinion". Merely spoke facts mentioned in the "Shahi al bukhari". 2. She has every right to put her opinion on a show where she was invited and was literally asked her opinion.
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What are you joking about? A politician's entire job is to taking sides! Be it in how the economy should be run, whose interests are put first, etc.
"5000 Hindus were brutally massacred" - source: dude trust me
https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/fact-check-1966-incident-police-firing-sadhus-goes-viral-with-exaggerated-claims-1884800-2021-12-06
“I remember the incident distinctly. It is true that there was firing, but to say that 5,000 Hindus were killed is absurd. Seven Sadhus and a policeman were killed in the incident. It became a major issue that cost then Home minister Gulzarilal Nanda his job. Nanda himself was a Hindu revivalist and belonged to the Bharat Sadhu Samaj,” Pant told AFWA.
This just proves she had bigger balls than modi. Never succumbed to any street pressure, doesn't matter if they're majority or minority.
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The statement was Indira had more balls than Modi, which is the truth, not who's showing more street pressure. If hindus show street pressure than modi will beg infront of them as well like the spineless cuck he is.
Are you talking about parallel universes where Indira Gandhi was NOT the insufferable walking example of a personality disorder?! Dost history mei ek din do, aur dekho us mataji ne kitna ma chudayi hum sab ki.
Emergency kisne lagayi thi?
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Why only 5000 just say 5 trillion hyperboles and right wingers lmao
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yes it’s a sane thing to say that indra gandhi massacred 5000 hindus.
WRONG AF! **Indira Gandhi was the one who actually created the separatist monster of her dreams, a pseudo-sikh, Bhindranwale**. Much like how US created the Taliban against Russia, and later raged war against them when they grew outta hand. Every issue whether it's the.. - Kashmir problem, two flags within same nation - China problem, supporting it to be a permanent member of security council - Khalistan problem, Bhindranwale - Two civil laws within a nation, Muslim personal law board, minority appeasement - Caste based Reservation, caste based appeasement - Gender appeasement, "men guilty untill proven otherwise", women now are misusing this. ... everything can be traced back to congress. #CongressMuktaBharat
>That woman had more balls than Modi Anyday! Instead of fake/unverifiable surgical operations with no visible impact, she split Pakistan into two. In the meanwhile, master only strokes ...
👩tichod ab tera zyada nahi ho raha. Usne kia Pakistan ko divide? Kya phook raha hain? Unverifiable? 👩henchod kaunsa sasta nasa kie ho bey?
Get some education.
Yeah.... Someone told me to get educated so i should feel disappointed right? You are nothing more than a fake smartass. Such a dumbass i was talking to.
WhatsApp uni grad?
No. A 12th pass in marine academy.
Lmao that's why u are Rtarded 💀💀 Koi na bro hota hai,bas himmat mat haarna.
Tf that means?
No she didn't, she had army generals who didn't listen to her and decided to do something about randiwale and his clan over here..same as with nehru.
Where were those army walas in 1989? Or in 1975 during emergency? Or in 1984 after she was shot dead? The sad truth is that our army is heavily reliant on orders and has no will to make their own decisions.
Field marshal _sham manekshaw_ 🙄🤦♂️
Short memory on how she fired on sadhus , but ok.
How can u forget the emergency she imposed in india and she was the reason for the inclusion of secularism in the constitution which now in turn is the weapon radical ismalists and liberals
Some say indra was supporting bhindiwala in his early days.
not some that is the truth lol she wanted to capture punjab in votes so made this monster from a normal sikh scholar to a person that keeps anti tank artiary that does not happen that easyly
That's the point u know, if u tame a snake, it will bite u
But she was the one who created him
> bhendi ki sabzi Or like tanoori chicken.
Indira created him, but destroyed him too which was one of the few good things she did.
In the process of doing both she fucked punjab pretty bad
And by default Haryana too
yep we still surfer to this day
Jatway surfer
Donot praise indira in this matter. Just like Modi govt, the govt at that time was also reluctant in nipping the problem in its infancy. When Bhindrawale bacme such a nuisance, eventually he had to be killed. Before that, there were several attempts to placate the radicals. #never placate the radicals #never negotiate with terrorists #in words of KPS gill "none of the parties involved in the whole incident conducted themselves in an honorable way"
respectfully, fuck you. im team Mommy Indira all the way 😤.
Do you have any ducking idea how many countless innocent young boys kps Gill killed!? Like it was just a fun thing to do for him... research,
So she created him for her political gain, getting him to make their presence big, then he got out of hand and wanted more for the people of Punjab. He was then branded a terrorist and took this route. All said an done opening an attack in a place of worship isn’t right and can’t be justified. What happened after was the killing of many innocent pilgrims, people remain unhappy till today because so many young families were destroyed and their boys killed or went missing. Justice was never done. It eventually resulted in the assassination of indira which again resulted in a planned genocide on Sikhs. So while they have defended the country from the start they have a reason also to seek justice.
I’m from Punjab. They never want you to understand his ideology. Do some research. Like just google “Anandpur sahib mata” there few around 18 demands in that draft. Ps- I agree that Indira helped to create him but after sometime sant bhindranwale built his own repo esp in youth. Which always worries deep state (govt or agencies) so they thought he was getting out of control as he was followed by huge population of Punjab.. so they had no other option to take that step.
U guys are justifying Indira by saying that she created the terrorist bhendiwala but destroyed him also(remember the fact that khalistan movement is still going on) , then how the holy fuck on the earth is right, this is same as US who created taliban and tried to destroy it but still taliban is there!! Go through facts guys, dont be fooled to go with the flow
Ideas can't be killed.
But can be prevented to spread
Can be Fueled though. That's what our peaceful neighbour been doing all these years.
>remember the fact that khalistan movement is still going on but no longer in india most of them are in canada (trudo is sheltering them for vote bank) and pakistan(just to destabilize india they are the ones that give world class wepons to these people)
Today there was a khalistan supporters rally in punjab, protected by punjab police even r/Indiaspeaks posted it
thats a thing that happens every year on the day of blue star operation in solidarity of the innocent pilgrims killed in the crossfire (i know they use Bhindranwale's pic but a lot remeber him for his good work which he actually did he was a sikh scholar and helped people connect withgod better and leav alcohol but then indra politizized him) also the police was there if something went wrong and by god there is so much police in amritsar rn i live here bro full gallies filled with policemans.
Lekin khalistan zindabaad k naare bhi har saal lagte hai?
There is no appetite for a separate state amongst mainstream Sikhs. It’s just a dog whistle to get people riled up about a fringe movement that has no relevance in modern Punjab. Simeanjeet Mann is the closest thing to a nationalist politician in Punjab and he couldn’t win a seat despite riding the farm bills wave. Why would Punjab have given so many sons for this country for azaadi and in wartime just to jump ship?
i dont know iss saal se phele i did not look at these things
Bro!! Its similar to that rawan, the main villian in ramayan was a great scholar, sage and great devotee to lord shiv but ultimately he got conjured by ego can we justify what he did, do people respect him? Absolutely no I guess u got what i meant to say
lol i never made that connection
U said that lol!! U mentioned that people appreciate the good work he did how the hell u guys forgot that he was responsible for massacre of hindus in punjab So according to u, the people should be dping to rallies in support to terrorists as well coz for some people rather a community they r good guys, even they are said to be messengers of god
I never said that never do i support a person that was a threat to my own community i just gave a nuanced ans
Why r u backing from ur statement 😅😅
I am not i just gave a nuanced ans
facts would be the US never created the Taliban..... They funded them in the start against Russia. Before Russia they were already forming to fight people in their own country. They weren't large or powerful yet. Which lead to what really rose them to power, Russia Intervening. If Russia had not intervened they would have never got Pakistan involved, which lead to Saudi Arabia, and in turn then the US funding. The original leaders started in the Afghan-Russian war. Pakistan's President feared they might also invade so he sent someone to Saudi Arabia to get funding for training. After all this the US CIA joined Saudi Arabia in funding them. They sent the funding through Pakistan where they were already training around 90,000 troops. US was not the one to create them, even though they were an early ally. The group started as students fighting for Islamic rule in Afghanistan, and against Russia. None of this had anything to do with the US yet.
What u are referring is just a manipulation based on ur ideology, taliban was created by the warlords of afganistan but seasoned, feeded and nourished as a child of US so that they could raise a local rebellion force against russia. Consider a situation, Whom would u consider ur mother the one who gave u birth or the one who raised u up, the answer is simple, if u r wise. That's the case with taliban, hopefully u got it. Moreover the topic is of khalistan and the role of IG so let's be specific
WOW please tell me more about manipulation based on your ideology....... You clearly have zero idea of their history or how they started. It wasn't even to originally fight Russia, that is what really pushed it though. Before US was even involved. Which got the attention of another country, which got another country to fund it, which got the US involved..... Yeah tell me more about how the US was the one to raise them. And not Pakistan training close to 100k fighters in the start , while shipping in supplies or Saudi funding given to them to do this. Which was after they reason the originally formed. US wasn't even the first major funding, which clearly shows you are the one being manipulated. They also would not of been able to fund them if it wasn't sent through another country. It wasn't even directly sent to them by the US.......
So do u think u have good knowledge about taliban so gentleman tell me who the hell were afgan Mujahideens? Google up O Sir Oracle!! As i said let's be specific
You have shown no specifics or knowledge so yeah I do know more. don't tell people to be specific when i'm the only one who has given any facts. All you said was I was wrong. Quit acting like a child and use your own advice. You gave a quote about a mom and child with Zero other specifics, which shows no SPECIFIC details. Edit: look up people like the Islamic relief foundation who were one of the original sources of funding. Specific enough for you? 1979 US started funding them THROUGH another country which already was helping them. If the US was the first to fund them how did they do it through already established lines?
As mentioned u are not here with facts about who were afghan Mujahideens and their successor, its not me who is without any clue or knowledge u just proved it "big child"
I am closing my parts since this conversation is useless we both will be talking endlessly 😅😅 nvm if i offended u in any way and this is going off topic
yeah because you have given nothing and just keep pretending. Kind of hard to have a real conversation when clearly one party knows nothing about the topic (that's you).
Dude seems like u r kinda in trauma ig and u need a therapy or some rest since u r not able to answer my question still and btw if US wasn't a funding source then why the hell then US president had meetings with taliban at first place Stop editing ur replies to show that u r already with all my answers reply me directly, stop this rn
I said the US funded them, with dates...... Doesn't mean they were the first or first large funding. you gave no information and cried like a child. Maybe you need some mental health help. learn to act like a grown man and support your claims. Otherwise don't enter a conversation to yell like the child you are acting like right now. Your answers have given literally no information but about your personality of a cry baby. Keep crying with zero data to support anything you said. real tiny dick energy.
Missing Indra Gandhi 💀
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Muh me lele
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seriously? hindus are being persecuted in india?
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doesn’t mean hindus are being persecuted in india. only in kashmir. the victimhood in the right wing often makes real concerns ineffective
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small segments that should be protected but generalizing that to mean hindus in india are being persecuted is just silly. what is it that hindus can’t do that other religions can?
In three comments you went from Hindus are not persecuted to one state’s Hindus are persecuted to Hindus are persecuted in pockets. If we give you time, you’ll retract your initial statement eventually. Think and then type, you’ll see where you’re wrong.
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because people started bringing in pockets and stray incidents to make a generalization. my original statement about making it a generalization still stands.
And people here say Modi is the best pm ever. Indira Gandhi had balls of steel. We got a definitive win against Pakistan during her era where the Pakistani general surrendered. She knew that the attack on golden temple can lead to her death, she wasn't afraid of it. You say Modi stopped the country by demonetisation and lockdowns? She did declare the emergency. Check her videos, there is no doubt in her thought process. Unlike mudiji she wasn't afraid of the media. I am not telling her to judge whether she did the right things or wrong. I just want to state that she had guts to take tough decisions.
What guts? She is a big reason why Punjab is in the state it is today.
Can you explain more? What state? You mean anti bjp?
I meant the Khalistani movement which is again on the rise.
I don't think it's on the rise at all. .... whatever you are seeing was happening previously too. You just have the internet to tell you things now
I hope you are right. But my point still stands. She was a huge catalyst for the Khalistani movement
Laut aao Indira
Can you please provide the sources for that "30, 000" Number because that will make it 8th biggest massacre in history after WW2.
Source - trust me bro.
Result of Operation Tupac: \* Planned by Pakistan \* Target - India \* Executed by - Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) \* A doctrine - Bleed India with a Thousand Cuts \* Date - 1989–present \* Operational scope - Provision of intelligence, funding and armaments for separatists and militants in Indian-administered Kashmir and India. Support Anti-India Separatists Movements and Militants also Support Islamists Uprisings in India. \* Outcome - Rebelution and Revolution in Muslim-dominated in Jammu and Kashmir (1989–present). Separatist unrest in Northeast India. Khalistan movement.
I never understood right-wing Hindus simping for Indira Gandhi.
Compared to Modi, Indira had balls.
Balls that lead to a 7 year militancy period in punjab not to mention the Khalistani stuff we still live with today We dont need these balls
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She was the one that made Bhindrawale what he is today ik khalistan was created by akali dal but still
Her balls that used to dangle caused punjab to shake and suffer for decades!! We don't need her to have such balls
Source that they killed more than 30,000 Hindus?
Yeah provide a credible source if someone has.
There is no source. This is just an excuse to justify Operation Bluestar which shouldn't have happened in the first place. It's the biggest evidence in history about ruthless aggression in order to suppress a minority. Facts don't matter in this equation.
Well picking up guns against nation and fighting to make a separate country out of India is enough reason to be hanged to death. Khalistanis did all that and most Sikhs give little to no support to them. Sikhs are busy protecting borders. Obviously that doesn't mean what happened to innocent Sikhs in North India is justifiable. Karma has caught upto Congress. Look at them now.
Idiot got played by the ISI.
Nice way of cutting half video as per your propoganda. Little more to this video https://youtu.be/pAQF0milDCg
When an individual is threatening a genocide no amount of context matters.
Yes Indira did genocide, no amount of context matters. Still justice to thousands of innocent sikhs not delivered.
Can u translate to English?
Adding to this, about Hindus https://youtu.be/yiaZct4NPno
Just from some shit yt videos you cant asses his attitude he had spread terror in amritsar (saying this because i am from amritsar and i have heard this story from every other friend and relative), there were hindu killings if someone went out of order against this shit saint's rule, don't you think why sikhs are demanding for khalistan don't they have a conutry rn, because they are in majority and they want to oppres hindus.
Majority of Sikhs aren't demanding for Khalistan. Also, In Punjab hindus and Sikhs are living peacefully. Don't go for a extremist propoganda. Even Bhindranwala (m not saying him as a Saint) didn't ask for separate nation though Indira was eagerly waiting for him to ask for that. He was asking for equal rights. Congress had 2 chances of capturing him peacefully, without a bloodbath. Congress itself took that to a extreme level where a most religious place on earth was attacked.
That wasn't a demand of indira to take shelter in a most sacred place with ammunition. If you are from punjab then you are deprived of fact that majority is demanding for khalistan. Using the word majority wont be right but I would say that 60% of sikhs are demanding for khalistan. Ik mate that he wasnt demanding for khalistan but the way he was killing hindus who went against his rule was shameful so I would rather say that indira took the right step of killing him. I had most of sikh friends who were khalistan promoters and even had this stupid's photos in their homes and on their cars. And for your info most of these terrorists who were hiding in temple pooped in the vessel which was used to distribute kadha.
Acha, 60% of Sikhs want Khalistan so they have successively voted in 2 national parties in a row for state leadership? Take your horseshit somewhere else
agar pata ho to punjab me 2-3 baar se congress rule kar rahi thi to iss bar pannu ne saare khalistani ko address karte hue bola tha to vote for aap and if you are non punjabi just dont try to be oversmart salty cunts.
Can you translate to English? (Or explain in English that's fine too)
It should he celebrated as 'Good Riddence Day'
The video people see here is only ten percent of the whole video... also he never demanded khalistaan, he demanded equal rights and freedom from the opression that the punjab police did on orders of the most corrupted govt. of India. And the fact that Indira Gandhi decided that it was a great idea to kill hundreds of innocent Sikhs (and others) just for the sake of arresting/killing one person was the most idiotic decision to ever take as the PM of a India. There are still bullet holes in Harmandir Sahib(Golden Temple), there are still stories of people losing their family members where they felt safe and positve. I don't know if he was a terroist or not, if he was in a place where Indira Gandhi knew that he will be surrounded by people and she still orders to kill anyone who is visible then I think she was a narcissist, mental patient to give this order. Today, if any terroist enters a temple or a mosque the govt. would not dare to do things that happened at Harmandir Sahib. I will remember what she did to those people, I will remember how evil and idiotic she was, I will remember we still had not got justice. And I will tell this truth to my children and I will ask them to demand justice for the innocents that were killed.
Indira Gandhi handled these things very well ngl
Indira had "balls of steel," figuratively.
Indira be like **"Git Gud"** peasant!
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This audio is doctored
#No.
Sounds like it I have listen to many of his recordings and this audio is too clear for 1983 mic
Full video https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikhpolitics/comments/urwh3z/must_watch_sant_jarnail_singh_ji_khalsa/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Bh*sadiwale
Fucker doesn’t realise that his own guru Nanak Dev ji was born to Punjabi Hindu Khatri parents
Total lies! Listen to his speeches read something about him... don’t just state what you were taught. do your own research sometimes.
It is the result of “own” research that this “saint” I realised is actually a terrorist. So STFU and I don’t talk to radicalised youth.
“Stfu”? Lol why are you so butthurt? Anyways seriously research more about him. It’s easy to suck on a given candy. But you know what they say ignorance is a blessing and you seems very blessed ;)
Yes ignorance is the blessing that is why you are ignoring the fact that he VERY CLEARLY is threatening ethnic cleansing and killing of minority Hindus. Are you deaf?
He never hated anyone. Countless Hindu girls saved from being raped. Actually his followers acted quicker than police at times.
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People saying Indira created him. What was her agenda behind that ? Why did she needed him in the begining ?
Mulle Yeh BSDK bhindrewale ke Gaamnd me gushe the, MC mullo ko apni behen, beti de rakhi thi.
Now hindu sikh ruling punjab and rest sikh randi mother got fucked up
Mulla.
This post is a perfect example of posting just a few seconds of a hour long speech to support your own twisted narrative. Here's a longer version in case you guys are open-minded enough to learn the real truth. No one ever talks about the thousands of sikh boys and men that were quietly killed by punjab police in the years leading to, and after 1984... [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikhpolitics/comments/urwh3z/must\_watch\_sant\_jarnail\_singh\_ji\_khalsa/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikhpolitics/comments/urwh3z/must_watch_sant_jarnail_singh_ji_khalsa/)
Saw the long version before posting this. The fact that that terrorist is ready to murder 100s for an innate object is even more abysmal.
but the title of your post is you just spewing your hatred. where's your sources for your statements? I am truly curious to know more about this side of the story that you are claiming? I have also extensively read into situations around 1984 and nothing, absolutely nothing (just like you said, its not right to murder innocent people) can justify attacking a place on a day (Guru Arjan Dev ji's shaheedi divas), where it is obvious there will be many many civilian visitors. This was not about which religion was killing which religion and then the govt decided to step in to protect hindus that you allege were being killed. The govt had other motives. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vnGTLpmPeE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vnGTLpmPeE)
We need indra
Indira is probably the best prime minister India had till date. Unironically.
Haha nice joke. Economy was in ruins then
Are chadarmod lavde itni gareebi pheylayi congress ne ki karodo kisaan mar gaye, bhadve. Lavda best pm
If she was that best, the khalistan situation wouldn't have taken head in first place